Legacy bands still headlining shows is a symptom of the death of the monoculture. The last time we all listened to the same stuff was when everyone still listened to the radio, so the bands that were big then are still the ones headlining shows. Rock/metal is more affected by this than other genres because everyone gets sucked into their own subgenre bubble and is oblivious to everything else. Remember - Spiritbox and Falling in Reverse both opened for Papa Roach on tour last year.
I think the true reason older bands don't hang it up is because of the lack of competition from modern rock and metal bands. You don't actually get a choice to headline massive tours if a young Metallica, Pantera, Iron Maiden etc knocks you out of the slot.
@@CIRCLEOFTONEit's not there isn't competition, it's just that bands don't have the same reach anymore. Guys like Spiritbox, Bad Omens, Sleep Token got massive in the past few years and they still pale in comparison to bands like Metallica or Guns n' Roses. Rock isn't mainstream anymore, normies don't even know who these bands are, but they know who Metallica is.
Becoming a legacy act is one of the few ways to be able to fill stadiums nowadays for rock, metal and similar bands: You need a multi generational audience to be able to pull that stunt.
The sad fact is that the legacy is nearly over. Twenty years from now there won’t be any stadium tours unless something drastic happens and I don’t see it.
I watched them on December 22 and it was amazing. A shame it was in a festival and I had just finished Sepultura, Pantera and BMTH shows so I was exhausted and had to sit down and watch it from afar.
Lucky. I finally saw them a couple years ago. Completely disappointing show. Rob spent the whole show singing to the floor at his feet. He never engaged with the crowd until just before the very last song of the show; he spent more time playing dressup... They sounded pretty amazing at least, but will I go to another Priest show if they happen to come here again? Hell no.
"I refuse to call it X." That's exactly how all the locals in Chicago feels about The Sears Tower. We refuse to call it the current name since like 2009. lol
I'm tired of people accusing bands of doing cash grab shit. It's their job, the point is to make money. Also in this day and age, if you're not actively grabbing cash, you go poor. Period. Also, I agree with the chicken sandwich thing. The first time I tried Popeye's Chicken sandwich, I completely understood all of those news stories about people getting stabbed over them. Would I stab someone over it? No, but if someone stabbed me I'd be like "Ahhh I got stabbed! But I get it bro, enjoy it.. for me.. hrrerk..."
I’m conflicted about the commercial aspect of music. From an artistic standpoint, I think it can lead to some really shallow and disingenuous music when the motivation is only making money, but like you said, there is a career component to it. I don’t think it always has to be one or the other. Many legacy bands still manage to put out decent, if not amazing, music in there later years, so I think there’s a balance to be found
Exactly, it's their job and it's the way they make a living. Why go work a normal job at 60-70 when you can do what you love and in most cases make more now than when you were a brand new band.
Legacy bands are getting better. Usually legacy acts would suck, but look at Geen Day, Korn, Slipknot, Blink. It's not the best material. But at least waaay better than expected. And they can still make pure bangers! For 20 years ago, a band that would be considered legacy act would suck.
Completely agree. Slowly over time, legacy bands' output -- in general -- has gotten much better. It may not be groundbreaking or earth-shattering, but there's a reason for them to still exist.
@@aliasfakename2267 Slipknot went towards a weird progressive sound. "Not Long For This World", "Finale", "Solway Firth" are really great compositions that deserve praise.
The main reason I like legacy bands is there are some I’ve never seen before I like my last shot at experiencing them even if not in their prime. But otherwise I agree.
Ministry been needing to hang up the towel for a while, however Al finally doing his synth era stuff live. Hoping he does a full tour before retiring/dying
@@bennymountain1 but supply and demand, right? They wouldn’t continue these large tourss if people didn’t buy tickets and show up. If you were a career musician, wouldn’t you do the same? Why would you stop filling the demand if you still enjoyed playing and were still capable of putting on a good show?
I think it's fine for legacy bands to keep going if they're still good. Maiden still puts out quality music and plays good shows. A band like AC/DC however, needs to retire.
I thought they did, like a decade ago? Last I heard, Brian Johnson had ear troubles and wasn’t with them anymore. Is someone else singing for them now? I can’t imagine why anyone would go see that
If feel that good art can only spawn with the risk of making something bad. If you never take the risk of failing, you'll never make something special and unique.
When the legacy acts take other band that are smaller out on tour as their openers that IS in turn passing the torch and giving these acts an entirely new crowd they wouldn't have found without the legacy acts helping out the smaller artists.
My first impression on Juggalos growing up was that they are bullies. Very mean people. But that’s because the only juggalos I knew when I was young were my friend’s older brothers group of friends and they were super mean dudes. As I got older and met other Juggalos I realized that’s not necessarily true and a lot of them are super friendly.
I cant knock a legacy band for obvious reasons but you are right because it’s essentially a comfort zone kind of situation. Since the modern music world is so different and most people statistically are stuck listening to old music it really pushes a culture of digging up good music from the past and not the current day which kills many smaller and equally talented bands. I live in a town of 100,000 people have seen some insanely good rock bands. Crazy good live shows. It hurts seeing them not get traction
I think if The Police came together again, they could probably make one last great album. Sting and Stewart Copeland are still very talented, and Stewart is full of energy for his age, its unreal lol
I feel like gaming and music are in a similar place in terms of barriers to entry, it’s great that so many people now can access tools to create fun and innovative indie games, at the same time there’s so much shovelware clogging up Steam or the Nintendo eshop
Legacy bands need to exist for those younger fans to get their chance to see a legendary band live. I was a Punk in the 1980's and back then i was always sad that i never saw the Sex Pistols live....until 1996 when they did their reunion tour. In 2013 i finally saw Black Sabbath WITH Ozzy live. Another bucket list band.
12:16 As a jugglo, Icp gives me hope and courage to keep chasing my dreams against all odds and their probably the one place I feel accepted , the message they put out with the dark carnival as a guide to sort of live your life in a healthy and honorable way is really cool even if they themselves are imperfect people.
Bless you Finn for saying funny one liners, and most of all, bless your editor who puts them at the end of your videos, they get me every single time!!! 😛😛😛
The lastest Blink album is solid for a legacy band. 90 % of all legacy bands shouldn´t release new albums. They should do a tour here and there and everybody would be happy.
If they're still coming up with new music, I wouldn't call them a legacy band, tbh. They're a band who have been around a long time, but still keep coming out with new music. If a band plays the same big songs over and over again at their concerts, THEN they are a legacy band. If they put on a concert, play an old hit or two, then a whole bunch of music they wrote last year, then obviously, they've still got something left in the tank.
17:00 - bro, my freshman year in highschool was nearly 30 years ago and it is STILL THE SAME F'IN BANDS FROM BACK THEN. I'm so over all those legacy bands, go away, especially you Motley Crue.
Can you please check out the band Archers? I’m confused as to what exact genre they fall into. Pop punk with aggressive vocals and breakdowns - and they’re American! Seems up your alley… will catch you on your next stream!
Have been following Pearl Jam around the planet since 1998, I do not think they should retire, they're still putting out new music and their live shows are still top notch.
Can confirm, saw them in Vancouver for the opening if the tour and they were amazing, it helps that they just dropped an album that fits nicely with the first 3 albums, for me.
They are definitely the one legacy band that can still bring the house down. They somehow sound better as they've gotten older. They just show up in leather with a motor cycle and its still a great time. They don't even seem to be full of themselves like other legacy bands. *cough *cough Maiden * cough
@09:15 im not the deepest into the genre or anything but i do recall icp has some currency for a brief moment in the late 90s early 2000s from three 6 mafia and i think juicy j even wore their stuff in a video and they had some brief feud with eminem
I hope you are feeling well after that stream the other day Finn! Genuinely! Not sure who said what but somebody got your goat good haha. Love your content as always!
I kind of agree with the legacy bands retire thing, well maybe take more of a back seat. But rock and metal fans are unfortunately so conditioned to seeing the same handful of legacy bands headlining festivals that they get all upset when a newer band gets high billing on a tour or festival lineup. Look at all the metal boomers upset that Bad Omens is headlining Mayhem Fest this year instead of another 30-40 year old legacy band. The scene needs to progress forward.
@@pancakeburglar9361Not really. Everything Bad Omens does has been done before. And better. Bring Me The Horizon did it better. Our problem with Bad Omens isn’t “Grr metalheads hate everything new!!!”, it’s that it’s Bad Omens. Lorna Shore is new, Lorna Shore is trendy, plenty of us would be fine with it being Lorna Shore. Or Bring Me The Horizon for that matter. Our problem isn’t “new band”. Our problem is Bad Omens.
Going to see Red Hot Chili Peppers in 2 weeks and hoping to see Pearl Jam and a few other legacy acts this year. I’m 19 and have never been to a concert yet, I am extremely thankful some of these rock HOF legacy acts tour so people my age can experience music they love live while they are still alive
I went through a Juggalo/ Psychopathic Records phase in high school and right after high school and I went to a Boondox concert and it was awesome! The people are so nice and it genuinely felt like a huge family. You wouldn’t think of it from what the outside world thinks about them but it’s good vibes all around at the concerts. They’re so welcoming into their world, they have their own customs, drink, and culture and it was cool to be a part of it for a bit. I don’t play their music myself now but if someone else played them I wouldn’t be mad
I yell at the TV daily because of people using the word myself incorrectly. Number one offenders = cops in those murder reality shows. "So, myself and officer Williams arrived on the scene."
Although I do agree that some legacy bands should retire at this point but at the same time I can still really appreciate it I’m 21 now but I grew up on 80s metal and hearing the stories from my dad sneaking out to Iron Maiden concerts as a kid and other crazy stories he had and really doing a great job of explaining to me why this era of music was so great I always wished that I could’ve experienced that era and now I can with my dad this November in an Iron Maiden concert and i get to experience this with him so while I do understand that these guys are getting old I still appreciate though at the same time they are still touring and seeing some videos Bruce Dickinson and the bands energy is still there! UP THE IRONS 🤘😎🤘
saw Megadeath my first time a couple of years ago and they sounded great. If a band is obviously burnt out and done, only milking it for a check (Motley Crue) yea, then they should hang it up. There are a lot of legacy bands still kicking ass out there though.
Megadeth sounds even better this year and Dave's even more energetic these days as well. So yes, Megadeth is awesome! Any thrash band is kick ass nowadays. While Slayer is retired, Kerry King's stuff sounded great. So legacy metal/thrash, etc is awesome!
Well here’s some good news Finn, the Mayhem festival just announced it’s comeback , and Bad Omens is headlining it. So at least there’s that. Very happy to see it.
There is a reason why these legendary bands are still playing! They are some of the best bands you will see still. If they are still going, why not? \m/ :) there is a reaosn they are still on top! Even some bands I wasn't even a fan of were amazing live.
I respectfully disagree with the title of this video. Any band, imo, should be able to stay at the top as long as they are still putting out new, quality:inspired material. AC/DC released a banger album a couple years ago. Maiden’s new stuff is some of their best. Judas Prieat just released what many fans consider to be their 2nd or 3rd best album. Metallica’s latest album is a good one. Having said that, when a band just coasts on the old stuff (or the new stuff is recycled crap), I agree it’s time to hang it up. Bands like Motley Crue fit into the hang it up category for me.
Yeah when it comes to Juggalos I remember seeing Social Distortion in Denver decade or more ago and there was a Insane Clown Posse show up the street on Colfax and Mike Ness was talking about back in the day when punk rock was dangerous and colored hair and the normal atypical speech he gives about supposedly growing up in the scene and in the same breath started talking s*** about Juggalos and Insane Clown Posse and it kind of occurred to me then that maybe many punk rockers specially someone like the above mentioned is a bit of a poser or a bit narrow mined maybe. I don't like Juggalos or Insane Clown Posse but I think it's great they found themselves
I absorbed the juggalo phase by osmosis... But now in my late 30s, it takes me back to my teens. Theres gotta be a german word for wanting a soul crushing nostalgia
6:04 If you want to learn how to pronounce words in other languages, you can find it on RUclips! In French "brioche" is pronounced "bri-ush" so the i is like ee but short, and the ush is like hush, but no h in front of
Blink's last album is great. The first half is calling back to their past style, and the second half is pushing forward with songs like "Turpentine" and "Childhood".
Four year strong's debut album and set your goals ‘This Will Be The Death Of Us’’ are the two definitive albums of Eazycore to me, god tier shit. Funny thing is the very first time that I heard FYS song is from the Drop Dead clothing website (Oli syke's clothing brand) back in 07-08, they were the ambassadors of the brand, so DD played their songs from the debut album at website lol
The backlash agaisnt DJ's and Radio that started in the 2000's really came to a head in the 2010's and we're paying the price for that when iy comes to quality of mainstream music. The argument that they were gatekeeping is completely valid, but without anyone filtering the thousands of songs released every day we've ended up in a situation where the only music we're getting is legacy groups and tiktok music.
I almost spit my drink out when you talked about Popeyes Spicy Chicken Sandwich. It depends on the location. I’ve had 1 that was complete garbage. Then I gave them a 2nd chance and went to a different location and it was great.
Those kind of bands don't retire, we'll just have to wait for them to die of old age. I was attending a swedish rock festival this week and they just won't give up on those bands. They had Alice Cooper as a headline, last year I think it was Deep Purple. But this year they also booked Electric Callboy and Parkway Drive and I saw a lot of 50-60 year olds having the best time listening to those. So the times are slowy changing for the better.
lol I was at an antique store in Reno a few weeks ago, and the old man who worked there (who seemed a few cards short of a deck/ wouldn’t stop talking to me) showed me an old ICP shirt he bought for 100 dollars from some random guy because it’s a “vintage”. 😬 are there people paying that much for ICP merch?
I feel like venues do this. My parents call it deer creek, i call it verizon, my sister calls it bankers life, and my brothers call it Klipsch. All the same concert venue, just generational difference. Twitter and x will just always be the same thing
Growing up we had a convenience store down the street that went through three name changes in the time I lived there. You could always tell how long someone lived in the neighborhood by which name they called it.
I saw Def Leppard and Scorpions headline a festival in 2018 or '17 i cant remember the exact year but goddamn they sounded amazing as hell and blew everyone away. Some legacy bands still do great, alot of them should hang it up.
I think a larger part of the legacy bands argument is the monoculture. Most bands don’t have the commercial peaks and ubiquity that bands of the past had and continue to hold on to
Could you, maybe in the future, show of your tattoos i find them pretty cool and the composition is pretty cool from afar, but can't make up what it's suppose to show.
It's fine, just a bit overpriced and it's a bummer that so many people going flat out said they're ignoring the younger bands to see an old Social D/other legacy band do the same shtick they've done for 40 years
2:00 Less music? I mean just… don’t listen to it if you don’t like it. Everyone has wildly different taste and one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. You’ve just got to dig and you’ve got to turn your friends on to what you love. That’s how you filter through the trash.
Its gonna be interesting where rock goes in the 2020s. Its much more prominent than it was than the 2010s, but aside from legacy bands and a GOATed few like BMTH (who I would argue are still young and innovative enough to be considered relevant) Its gonna be really interesting to see if any of it can break through en masse and form a "scene" like it did in the 2000s.
Well, Ghost and Falling In Reverse are stadium headlining bands now as well, Bad Omens are headlining Mayhem, and after Sleep Token's sold out large theater tour (and them signing with RCA recently) they'll be headlining stadiums and festivals really soon as well. Metal/rock is going to get popular again this decade I guarantee
@@southerntrendkill4889 Sleep Token and Bad Omens formed in 2016 and 2015 respectively, that's still a long time to be earning your stripes and being able to headline. All Time Low went from their first real release in 2005 to headlining 5k cap venues in a concert DVD in 2009.
Speaking to TOTO's guitarist it became painfully clear that in the 70s if you played guitar you got a record deal. I concluded this after I found out that they all knew each other. Steve knew Eddy before the 5150 era. They all either knew each other or had heard of one another before they cut a record deal.
WANYK is so underrated. In my opinion, it's almost on par with Volume 3. I'm hoping that TESF was just rushed to get out of their record deal and they'll make something better in the future
As a millennial, the modern music generation does suck because the music industry is catering to the pop, hiphop scene. For example, Look at the lineups at Coachella. Back in the early 90s, there were rock bands but now, it’s at 1%. I rather listen to the bands I grew up too in the late 90s. I’m glad older bands are still touring or making music.
You're right Finn. Every legacy band should retire, along with every newer artist. Only MGK's music should continue to be played. MGK bless MGK, he invented the guitar, music, and the first supercomputer.
If a band makes 15 albums, I will be impressed. The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Kiss, Depeche Mode ,Saxon, Overkill, Duran Duran, Megadeth, The Beach Boys, Iron Maiden, Bad Religion, NOFX, and Black Sabbath are great examples.
But are they 15 great albums? I would say in almost every example you mentioned, the answer is definitely not. I love many of those bands, but only a portion of those total albums really represent their definitive work
Maybe hot take: this is why legacy DJs are better than legacy bands, they evolve with the technology (usually) and like you said how common is it for a band to stay together for 20 years, a DJ is one person... Carl Cox been goin strong for close to 40 years now
I feel like the last Blink album wasn't necessarily something the fans needed, but something they as a group needed closure, and would've regretting not making amends before one of them died.
Agree, as singers age there needs to be a recognition that they can't sing like they once did and need to hang it up versus ruining their legacy with bad vocals/shows. There are too many acts out for a cash grab. I wish I would have seen some of these bands in their prime, and I can't justify the money for travel, seating to hear lots of talking to the audience, poor vocals and lackluster stage presence.
the same people wanting legacy bands to quit will be the same people not willing to get into newer bands & will compare them to their beloved bands they grew up listening to
100% of eerything i listen to I absolutely ADORE because it's 100% by CHOICE!! I've always avoided Spotify and all other alogrythms, because I implicity trust my judgement! I'm 45 and gave up even listening to the radio when I was 14!! The best music out there is music yuu will NEVER hear on the Bilboards OR internet playlists...have a mind of your own and go down that rabbit hole!! I did, and my musical life is that much better for it!!
There should be a mandatory cut-off age of how long a band plays before they ultimately get moved to a different kind of concert venue. Not necessarily the age of the band members themselves (you could be a fairly new band and have members spanning decades in age), but if the band themselves has been around for over 30 years, move them to cruise ships, resort festivals and legions. Or, i'll extend an olive branch: venues need to be required to drop the ticket price to under $50 if the band has been around $30 or older. A $300 ticket for a band past their prime is highway robbery.
If there is one legacy band that has managed to continue the quality, continue the message, gotten as huge as they have but still are kind of underrated compared to inferior bands in their scene cuz alot of those got bigger than them for no reason and should keep on keepin on until they cant anymore its 311! Finally back with their first new official song since 2019. They got where they are by doing things their way and there's definately something to be said for that.
I’m OK with legacy bands. What I’m really sick of is this trend of shows where bands just play their most popular album start to finish. Part of the excitement of going to a show was always wondering what song the band was going to play next and then being surprised when they finally played your favorite. So many bands are doing this album format show now that that spontaneity and excitement is almost entirely gone
Legacy bands still headlining shows is a symptom of the death of the monoculture. The last time we all listened to the same stuff was when everyone still listened to the radio, so the bands that were big then are still the ones headlining shows. Rock/metal is more affected by this than other genres because everyone gets sucked into their own subgenre bubble and is oblivious to everything else. Remember - Spiritbox and Falling in Reverse both opened for Papa Roach on tour last year.
Well said
I think the true reason older bands don't hang it up is because of the lack of competition from modern rock and metal bands. You don't actually get a choice to headline massive tours if a young Metallica, Pantera, Iron Maiden etc knocks you out of the slot.
@@CIRCLEOFTONEit's not there isn't competition, it's just that bands don't have the same reach anymore. Guys like Spiritbox, Bad Omens, Sleep Token got massive in the past few years and they still pale in comparison to bands like Metallica or Guns n' Roses. Rock isn't mainstream anymore, normies don't even know who these bands are, but they know who Metallica is.
We will never see a legacy band ever again.
@@christopherblue2004 music today is anti-legacy, so, no there won't be any legacy acts
Becoming a legacy act is one of the few ways to be able to fill stadiums nowadays for rock, metal and similar bands: You need a multi generational audience to be able to pull that stunt.
Judas Priests and Ozzy Osbourne make new music that is actually good
'One of those Days' by Ozzy and Eric Clapton deserves a few listens by everyone!
Just saw Judas Priest in Boston and was blown away!
@@KingBattlon Trial by fire is a cool newer song by them. I was impressed.
The sad fact is that the legacy is nearly over. Twenty years from now there won’t be any stadium tours unless something drastic happens and I don’t see it.
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Bmth, Bad Omens, Falling in Reverse, Mick Gordon and Sleeptoken could fill the void
70 year old Finn will be the spokesperson for "NOW THAT'S what I call NU-METAL vols. 1-15, lol...
12 of those volumes will just be Butterfly by Crazy Town.
@@Skycladatdusk78😂😂😂😂😂
I walked out of their show in the middle of that song
Just seen Priest last month, it was a top 5 show I've ever seen! My wife, who only knows the radio songs, was blown away.
I've always found it amazing that they made Painkiller, one of the most metal songs ever, so late into their career. They are an exception.
I watched them on December 22 and it was amazing. A shame it was in a festival and I had just finished Sepultura, Pantera and BMTH shows so I was exhausted and had to sit down and watch it from afar.
Exactly! I took my kids to Sonic Temple this year and Judas Priest kicked ass! My son asked when is the next time we can see them 🤘
Lucky. I finally saw them a couple years ago. Completely disappointing show. Rob spent the whole show singing to the floor at his feet. He never engaged with the crowd until just before the very last song of the show; he spent more time playing dressup... They sounded pretty amazing at least, but will I go to another Priest show if they happen to come here again? Hell no.
Saxon !!!!!!
"I refuse to call it X." That's exactly how all the locals in Chicago feels about The Sears Tower. We refuse to call it the current name since like 2009. lol
I don’t know what the new current name is and I don’t care it’s the sears tower forever
@@blakedavis2447 For- Fucking - Ever!
I thought it was called the Sears tower. Shows how much I know about Chicago.
@@JimmyMon666 that because it IS the Sears tower.
I was living there at the time, bever heard anything else, besides the news...
90% of music is trash, the rest is Kid Rocks discography
So 10% is super-trash?
Ha nice
Lol
American bad ass right there brother
Wrong. The rest is MGK’s discography
I'm tired of people accusing bands of doing cash grab shit. It's their job, the point is to make money. Also in this day and age, if you're not actively grabbing cash, you go poor. Period.
Also, I agree with the chicken sandwich thing. The first time I tried Popeye's Chicken sandwich, I completely understood all of those news stories about people getting stabbed over them. Would I stab someone over it? No, but if someone stabbed me I'd be like "Ahhh I got stabbed! But I get it bro, enjoy it.. for me.. hrrerk..."
I’m conflicted about the commercial aspect of music. From an artistic standpoint, I think it can lead to some really shallow and disingenuous music when the motivation is only making money, but like you said, there is a career component to it. I don’t think it always has to be one or the other. Many legacy bands still manage to put out decent, if not amazing, music in there later years, so I think there’s a balance to be found
Exactly, it's their job and it's the way they make a living. Why go work a normal job at 60-70 when you can do what you love and in most cases make more now than when you were a brand new band.
Legacy bands are getting better. Usually legacy acts would suck, but look at Geen Day, Korn, Slipknot, Blink. It's not the best material. But at least waaay better than expected. And they can still make pure bangers! For 20 years ago, a band that would be considered legacy act would suck.
Completely agree. Slowly over time, legacy bands' output -- in general -- has gotten much better. It may not be groundbreaking or earth-shattering, but there's a reason for them to still exist.
I have to disagree with Slipknot and Korn, I haven't liked a single track from either of them in a decade or more.
@@aliasfakename2267 Slipknot went towards a weird progressive sound. "Not Long For This World", "Finale", "Solway Firth" are really great compositions that deserve praise.
@@FELTSZAt this point, slipknot just sounds like stone sour
Megadeth is going through a renaissance. Their last album was really good and dystopia was great
The main reason I like legacy bands is there are some I’ve never seen before I like my last shot at experiencing them even if not in their prime. But otherwise I agree.
Still waiting for my 'Buttrock With Breakdowns' merch!
Because butt rock already has breakdowns
Beavis and Buttrock ….. 🤘
Isn’t that just Fall Out Boy?
Ministry been needing to hang up the towel for a while, however Al finally doing his synth era stuff live. Hoping he does a full tour before retiring/dying
But how else would we know he still watches CNN?
Al’s been retiring since 2008.
Rob halford thankfully still sounds great i know that is not common with many bands with the lead singer
In a perfect world he would sound great on a bi-annual reunion show or cruise ship, not touring full time hogging the cash flow.
@@bennymountain1 The bands opening for Priest make more and get more exposure than playing for wherever they would be otherwise.
@@bennymountain1 but supply and demand, right? They wouldn’t continue these large tourss if people didn’t buy tickets and show up. If you were a career musician, wouldn’t you do the same? Why would you stop filling the demand if you still enjoyed playing and were still capable of putting on a good show?
I think it's fine for legacy bands to keep going if they're still good. Maiden still puts out quality music and plays good shows. A band like AC/DC however, needs to retire.
I thought they did, like a decade ago? Last I heard, Brian Johnson had ear troubles and wasn’t with them anymore. Is someone else singing for them now? I can’t imagine why anyone would go see that
Brian Johnson was able to rejoin for the latest album in 2020 and they’re currently on tour 😂
@@pensivepenguin3000 pretty sure the guitarist isnt doing too well nowadays
Ac/Dc plays music perfectly for their age... What are you talking about???
If a band with 40 or 50 years on the run , still makes killer tunes ... let them keep going !
If feel that good art can only spawn with the risk of making something bad. If you never take the risk of failing, you'll never make something special and unique.
When the legacy acts take other band that are smaller out on tour as their openers that IS in turn passing the torch and giving these acts an entirely new crowd they wouldn't have found without the legacy acts helping out the smaller artists.
My first impression on Juggalos growing up was that they are bullies. Very mean people. But that’s because the only juggalos I knew when I was young were my friend’s older brothers group of friends and they were super mean dudes. As I got older and met other Juggalos I realized that’s not necessarily true and a lot of them are super friendly.
X and twitter is the same thing. No difference honestly, who cares
I cant knock a legacy band for obvious reasons but you are right because it’s essentially a comfort zone kind of situation. Since the modern music world is so different and most people statistically are stuck listening to old music it really pushes a culture of digging up good music from the past and not the current day which kills many smaller and equally talented bands. I live in a town of 100,000 people have seen some insanely good rock bands. Crazy good live shows. It hurts seeing them not get traction
$45 Gorilla Biscuits tix should just be the imax experience. All nostalgia
I think if The Police came together again, they could probably make one last great album. Sting and Stewart Copeland are still very talented, and Stewart is full of energy for his age, its unreal lol
I love it when you do these types of hot take videos. You need to do more of em Finn!
I feel like gaming and music are in a similar place in terms of barriers to entry, it’s great that so many people now can access tools to create fun and innovative indie games, at the same time there’s so much shovelware clogging up Steam or the Nintendo eshop
Legacy bands need to exist for those younger fans to get their chance to see a legendary band live. I was a Punk in the 1980's and back then i was always sad that i never saw the Sex Pistols live....until 1996 when they did their reunion tour. In 2013 i finally saw Black Sabbath WITH Ozzy live. Another bucket list band.
12:16 As a jugglo, Icp gives me hope and courage to keep chasing my dreams against all odds and their probably the one place I feel accepted , the message they put out with the dark carnival as a guide to sort of live your life in a healthy and honorable way is really cool even if they themselves are imperfect people.
Bless you Finn for saying funny one liners, and most of all, bless your editor who puts them at the end of your videos, they get me every single time!!! 😛😛😛
The lastest Blink album is solid for a legacy band. 90 % of all legacy bands shouldn´t release new albums. They should do a tour here and there and everybody would be happy.
If they're still coming up with new music, I wouldn't call them a legacy band, tbh. They're a band who have been around a long time, but still keep coming out with new music.
If a band plays the same big songs over and over again at their concerts, THEN they are a legacy band. If they put on a concert, play an old hit or two, then a whole bunch of music they wrote last year, then obviously, they've still got something left in the tank.
17:00 - bro, my freshman year in highschool was nearly 30 years ago and it is STILL THE SAME F'IN BANDS FROM BACK THEN. I'm so over all those legacy bands, go away, especially you Motley Crue.
no one asking you to listen.
Imma be so depressed when Maiden call it a day, but so happy that I got to see them multiple times live
your outro audio bytes remind me of King Of The Hill and I absolutely love it
Can you please check out the band Archers? I’m confused as to what exact genre they fall into. Pop punk with aggressive vocals and breakdowns - and they’re American!
Seems up your alley… will catch you on your next stream!
Have been following Pearl Jam around the planet since 1998, I do not think they should retire, they're still putting out new music and their live shows are still top notch.
Can confirm, saw them in Vancouver for the opening if the tour and they were amazing, it helps that they just dropped an album that fits nicely with the first 3 albums, for me.
Judas priest is basically the only legacy band that has somehow still managed to stay cool
Pixies are still cool. BOC and DEVO still crush.
Thats not true…and I love Priest.
Not cool cause they're just too damn old, and I love Priest. But the most listenable for sure
New album is Brilliant. "The Serpent and the King" is an incredible song that, is one of their heaviest. Halford sounds amazing!
They are definitely the one legacy band that can still bring the house down. They somehow sound better as they've gotten older. They just show up in leather with a motor cycle and its still a great time. They don't even seem to be full of themselves like other legacy bands. *cough *cough Maiden * cough
Mr. Finn, we need a continuum or graph involving hedonism and some other traits among bands or fan bases
@09:15 im not the deepest into the genre or anything but i do recall icp has some currency for a brief moment in the late 90s early 2000s from three 6 mafia and i think juicy j even wore their stuff in a video and they had some brief feud with eminem
I hope you are feeling well after that stream the other day Finn! Genuinely! Not sure who said what but somebody got your goat good haha. Love your content as always!
I kind of agree with the legacy bands retire thing, well maybe take more of a back seat. But rock and metal fans are unfortunately so conditioned to seeing the same handful of legacy bands headlining festivals that they get all upset when a newer band gets high billing on a tour or festival lineup. Look at all the metal boomers upset that Bad Omens is headlining Mayhem Fest this year instead of another 30-40 year old legacy band. The scene needs to progress forward.
Well tbf, Bad Omens is pop trash!
@@bladempale1751 Nah, they’re a great band and doing something fresh for the genre.
@@pancakeburglar9361Not really. Everything Bad Omens does has been done before. And better. Bring Me The Horizon did it better.
Our problem with Bad Omens isn’t “Grr metalheads hate everything new!!!”, it’s that it’s Bad Omens. Lorna Shore is new, Lorna Shore is trendy, plenty of us would be fine with it being Lorna Shore. Or Bring Me The Horizon for that matter. Our problem isn’t “new band”.
Our problem is Bad Omens.
Going to see Red Hot Chili Peppers in 2 weeks and hoping to see Pearl Jam and a few other legacy acts this year. I’m 19 and have never been to a concert yet, I am extremely thankful some of these rock HOF legacy acts tour so people my age can experience music they love live while they are still alive
Are you going to do any more music video reactions?? Been a while. Would love to see you react to the new ADTR track Feedback. It sucks lol
A Nickelback to Remember lol
I went through a Juggalo/ Psychopathic Records phase in high school and right after high school and I went to a Boondox concert and it was awesome! The people are so nice and it genuinely felt like a huge family. You wouldn’t think of it from what the outside world thinks about them but it’s good vibes all around at the concerts. They’re so welcoming into their world, they have their own customs, drink, and culture and it was cool to be a part of it for a bit. I don’t play their music myself now but if someone else played them I wouldn’t be mad
I hope they play as long as possible. I enjoy seeing them live.
I yell at the TV daily because of people using the word myself incorrectly. Number one offenders = cops in those murder reality shows. "So, myself and officer Williams arrived on the scene."
I hate when people in the comments say "I could care less"
I also bought one of those shirts. Thanks Finn!
Although I do agree that some legacy bands should retire at this point but at the same time I can still really appreciate it I’m 21 now but I grew up on 80s metal and hearing the stories from my dad sneaking out to Iron Maiden concerts as a kid and other crazy stories he had and really doing a great job of explaining to me why this era of music was so great I always wished that I could’ve experienced that era and now I can with my dad this November in an Iron Maiden concert and i get to experience this with him so while I do understand that these guys are getting old I still appreciate though at the same time they are still touring and seeing some videos Bruce Dickinson and the bands energy is still there! UP THE IRONS 🤘😎🤘
saw Megadeath my first time a couple of years ago and they sounded great. If a band is obviously burnt out and done, only milking it for a check (Motley Crue) yea, then they should hang it up. There are a lot of legacy bands still kicking ass out there though.
Megadeth sounds even better this year and Dave's even more energetic these days as well. So yes, Megadeth is awesome! Any thrash band is kick ass nowadays. While Slayer is retired, Kerry King's stuff sounded great. So legacy metal/thrash, etc is awesome!
I will never get tired of you analyzing the Chunk Captain song lmao
Well here’s some good news Finn, the Mayhem festival just announced it’s comeback , and Bad Omens is headlining it. So at least there’s that. Very happy to see it.
The guys from four year strong and new found saw my pop punk with breakdowns shirt when I saw them a few years ago and they all loved it
There is a reason why these legendary bands are still playing! They are some of the best bands you will see still. If they are still going, why not? \m/ :) there is a reaosn they are still on top! Even some bands I wasn't even a fan of were amazing live.
I respectfully disagree with the title of this video. Any band, imo, should be able to stay at the top as long as they are still putting out new, quality:inspired material. AC/DC released a banger album a couple years ago. Maiden’s new stuff is some of their best. Judas Prieat just released what many fans consider to be their 2nd or 3rd best album. Metallica’s latest album is a good one. Having said that, when a band just coasts on the old stuff (or the new stuff is recycled crap), I agree it’s time to hang it up. Bands like Motley Crue fit into the hang it up category for me.
Yeah when it comes to Juggalos I remember seeing Social Distortion in Denver decade or more ago and there was a Insane Clown Posse show up the street on Colfax and Mike Ness was talking about back in the day when punk rock was dangerous and colored hair and the normal atypical speech he gives about supposedly growing up in the scene and in the same breath started talking s*** about Juggalos and Insane Clown Posse and it kind of occurred to me then that maybe many punk rockers specially someone like the above mentioned is a bit of a poser or a bit narrow mined maybe. I don't like Juggalos or Insane Clown Posse but I think it's great they found themselves
Aren't these legacy bands holding up the rock fest market?
I absorbed the juggalo phase by osmosis... But now in my late 30s, it takes me back to my teens.
Theres gotta be a german word for wanting a soul crushing nostalgia
There is nothing to take their place. There is no wide spread anthem songs that cross all genre, ages, and emotions for the long term.
6:04 If you want to learn how to pronounce words in other languages, you can find it on RUclips! In French "brioche" is pronounced "bri-ush" so the i is like ee but short, and the ush is like hush, but no h in front of
Blink's last album is great. The first half is calling back to their past style, and the second half is pushing forward with songs like "Turpentine" and "Childhood".
I saw Dio a few years before he passed and it was awesome, i think they should all keep going until they can't anymore
Four year strong's debut album and set your goals ‘This Will Be The Death Of Us’’ are the two definitive albums of Eazycore to me, god tier shit. Funny thing is the very first time that I heard FYS song is from the Drop Dead clothing website (Oli syke's clothing brand) back in 07-08, they were the ambassadors of the brand, so DD played their songs from the debut album at website lol
The backlash agaisnt DJ's and Radio that started in the 2000's really came to a head in the 2010's and we're paying the price for that when iy comes to quality of mainstream music. The argument that they were gatekeeping is completely valid, but without anyone filtering the thousands of songs released every day we've ended up in a situation where the only music we're getting is legacy groups and tiktok music.
We opened for Green Jello/y, it was sick! Two of the other bands had a fistfight on stage!
They are sic .I've seen every green jelly for the last 3 shows.i wish I saw them along time ago.seeing them in el corazon in 2 months
05:11 God made the Chik-Fil-A chicken sandwich, but Lucifer made the Popeye's sandwich and it's some of his best work.
8:33 Does Mr Feely get creative writes I wonder 😮
I almost spit my drink out when you talked about Popeyes Spicy Chicken Sandwich. It depends on the location. I’ve had 1 that was complete garbage. Then I gave them a 2nd chance and went to a different location and it was great.
Those kind of bands don't retire, we'll just have to wait for them to die of old age. I was attending a swedish rock festival this week and they just won't give up on those bands. They had Alice Cooper as a headline, last year I think it was Deep Purple. But this year they also booked Electric Callboy and Parkway Drive and I saw a lot of 50-60 year olds having the best time listening to those. So the times are slowy changing for the better.
lol I was at an antique store in Reno a few weeks ago, and the old man who worked there (who seemed a few cards short of a deck/ wouldn’t stop talking to me) showed me an old ICP shirt he bought for 100 dollars from some random guy because it’s a “vintage”. 😬 are there people paying that much for ICP merch?
I bought the pop punk with breakdowns shirt specifically to wear to a ADTR show on Seattle a few years ago.
Got several "nice shirt" comments
Finn is more than alright dammit.
Your awesome Finn
Texas in here🤘🏼
What's breakdowns? I still don't get it.
5:17 Hell yes to the Brioche bun! All burgers should have these buns. I had a plain burger bun at a restaurant and God it was so dry
I feel like venues do this. My parents call it deer creek, i call it verizon, my sister calls it bankers life, and my brothers call it Klipsch. All the same concert venue, just generational difference. Twitter and x will just always be the same thing
Growing up we had a convenience store down the street that went through three name changes in the time I lived there. You could always tell how long someone lived in the neighborhood by which name they called it.
"It'll always be Deer Creek to me." Guess my age, LOL.
@@TheREALJosephTurner my parents aren't much older than me, so I would assumed your 45-50 at the oldest
@@sp00g37 Close! 53. Saw A LOT of shows at that venue. I think they're still calling it Ruoff Music Center these days unless they've changed it again.
Anyone remember the Workaholics episode where they go to the Juggalo festival?
I just saw Judas Priest in concert with Sabaton on May 4th, Rob Halford's voice sounded the same but he had a tiny coughing fit I think.
I saw Def Leppard and Scorpions headline a festival in 2018 or '17 i cant remember the exact year but goddamn they sounded amazing as hell and blew everyone away. Some legacy bands still do great, alot of them should hang it up.
X being called twitter is fine. My mom still calls the grocery store “the old Acme” even though it hasn't been the Acme since ‘85.
I think a larger part of the legacy bands argument is the monoculture. Most bands don’t have the commercial peaks and ubiquity that bands of the past had and continue to hold on to
My friend lent me a Blink tape that he ordered out of Thrasher before they added 182.1994 I think.
Could you, maybe in the future, show of your tattoos i find them pretty cool and the composition is pretty cool from afar, but can't make up what it's suppose to show.
Whats your take on the No Values show in Pomona, Ca this Sat?
Ask the Pomona Pirate Punks, or the Montclair Drunk punx
It's fine, just a bit overpriced and it's a bummer that so many people going flat out said they're ignoring the younger bands to see an old Social D/other legacy band do the same shtick they've done for 40 years
What's really funny is how they'll say punk was dangerous and uncomfortable back in the day and yet refuse to get out of their comfort zone
2:00 Less music? I mean just… don’t listen to it if you don’t like it. Everyone has wildly different taste and one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. You’ve just got to dig and you’ve got to turn your friends on to what you love. That’s how you filter through the trash.
I personally have no problem as I don't really care as long as they want to do it
Its gonna be interesting where rock goes in the 2020s. Its much more prominent than it was than the 2010s, but aside from legacy bands and a GOATed few like BMTH (who I would argue are still young and innovative enough to be considered relevant) Its gonna be really interesting to see if any of it can break through en masse and form a "scene" like it did in the 2000s.
Well, Ghost and Falling In Reverse are stadium headlining bands now as well, Bad Omens are headlining Mayhem, and after Sleep Token's sold out large theater tour (and them signing with RCA recently) they'll be headlining stadiums and festivals really soon as well. Metal/rock is going to get popular again this decade I guarantee
@@southerntrendkill4889 Sleep Token and Bad Omens formed in 2016 and 2015 respectively, that's still a long time to be earning your stripes and being able to headline. All Time Low went from their first real release in 2005 to headlining 5k cap venues in a concert DVD in 2009.
Speaking to TOTO's guitarist it became painfully clear that in the 70s if you played guitar you got a record deal. I concluded this after I found out that they all knew each other. Steve knew Eddy before the 5150 era. They all either knew each other or had heard of one another before they cut a record deal.
I really don't like Slipknot's newest album all that much, but god damn do i love We Are Not Your Kind
it's kinda freaky but a few tiers above the newest album. solway firth is a closer the leaves you with such a wonderful warm feeling
WANYK is so underrated. In my opinion, it's almost on par with Volume 3. I'm hoping that TESF was just rushed to get out of their record deal and they'll make something better in the future
As a millennial, the modern music generation does suck because the music industry is catering to the pop, hiphop scene. For example, Look at the lineups at Coachella. Back in the early 90s, there were rock bands but now, it’s at 1%. I rather listen to the bands I grew up too in the late 90s. I’m glad older bands are still touring or making music.
Have seen blink 182, the offspring and sum41 live in the past year and bit..... they were all fucking amazing live.
Saw Sum41 last month and they were amazing! Crowd was insane
You're right Finn. Every legacy band should retire, along with every newer artist. Only MGK's music should continue to be played. MGK bless MGK, he invented the guitar, music, and the first supercomputer.
This comment is not funny and was never funny to begin with.
That Pearl Jam clip of them doing "Hurt" was painful.
If a band makes 15 albums, I will be impressed. The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Kiss, Depeche Mode ,Saxon, Overkill, Duran Duran, Megadeth, The Beach Boys, Iron Maiden, Bad Religion, NOFX, and Black Sabbath are great examples.
But are they 15 great albums? I would say in almost every example you mentioned, the answer is definitely not. I love many of those bands, but only a portion of those total albums really represent their definitive work
Korn
Maybe hot take: this is why legacy DJs are better than legacy bands, they evolve with the technology (usually) and like you said how common is it for a band to stay together for 20 years, a DJ is one person... Carl Cox been goin strong for close to 40 years now
Also Isn't David Guetta in his mid 50s as well? and still one of the biggest DJs in the world.
@gx1tar1er Yes he is, and Benny benassi was one of the headliners of edc this year at 56
King Crimson are a legacy band (I guess). While they do still play their “hits” but also perform amazing new music. They are just fabulous.
I feel like the last Blink album wasn't necessarily something the fans needed, but something they as a group needed closure, and would've regretting not making amends before one of them died.
Agree, as singers age there needs to be a recognition that they can't sing like they once did and need to hang it up versus ruining their legacy with bad vocals/shows. There are too many acts out for a cash grab. I wish I would have seen some of these bands in their prime, and I can't justify the money for travel, seating to hear lots of talking to the audience, poor vocals and lackluster stage presence.
I really liked the last blink album. And if they are reuniting do a new album. Not like System of a Down, or GNR. Etc
the same people wanting legacy bands to quit will be the same people not willing to get into newer bands & will compare them to their beloved bands they grew up listening to
Oh Finn is doing let’s argue now. That’s sick
100% of eerything i listen to I absolutely ADORE because it's 100% by CHOICE!! I've always avoided Spotify and all other alogrythms, because I implicity trust my judgement! I'm 45 and gave up even listening to the radio when I was 14!! The best music out there is music yuu will NEVER hear on the Bilboards OR internet playlists...have a mind of your own and go down that rabbit hole!! I did, and my musical life is that much better for it!!
There should be a mandatory cut-off age of how long a band plays before they ultimately get moved to a different kind of concert venue. Not necessarily the age of the band members themselves (you could be a fairly new band and have members spanning decades in age), but if the band themselves has been around for over 30 years, move them to cruise ships, resort festivals and legions.
Or, i'll extend an olive branch: venues need to be required to drop the ticket price to under $50 if the band has been around $30 or older. A $300 ticket for a band past their prime is highway robbery.
If there is one legacy band that has managed to continue the quality, continue the message, gotten as huge as they have but still are kind of underrated compared to inferior bands in their scene cuz alot of those got bigger than them for no reason and should keep on keepin on until they cant anymore its 311! Finally back with their first new official song since 2019. They got where they are by doing things their way and there's definately something to be said for that.
I’m OK with legacy bands. What I’m really sick of is this trend of shows where bands just play their most popular album start to finish. Part of the excitement of going to a show was always wondering what song the band was going to play next and then being surprised when they finally played your favorite. So many bands are doing this album format show now that that spontaneity and excitement is almost entirely gone
Is Four Year Strong easycore? They're fantastic.