nope and nope, the A350 is much better, quieter and smoother, at the moment it is the best airliner ever created. But the A380 is special, like the B747 was. I am sad, that A380 came at the wrong time, when the economy is everything. I find the A380 very beautifull from behind, the wings are gorgeous.
It's sad that a second European engineering marvel is proving unsuccessful. First the fastest airliner and now the biggest. Thank goodness they're big enough to absorb it because they make amazing planes!
It’s called putting pride before economics. Airbus had the right idea when they made a twin engine wide body airliner. Boeing followed suit with the 767 and never designed a new airliner with more than two engines again. Airbus was on the right track with the long range A310, the 727 replacing A320.. and the A300 replacing and 767/777 competitor the A330. But had to satisfy its pride with the A340 just as four engine airliners we’re on the way out. It was small and underpowered and not competitive. The A380 was an expensive halo product that was launched as almost all world airlines were dumping their 747s for smaller twinjets. The first A350 was laughed out of production by GECAS and ILFC as a cheap bandaid reaction to the Boeing 787 (since they were up to their eyeballs in A380 development that’s all they could do). Now it’s a white elephant. Boeing very wisely offered the minimally redesigned 747-8 to split the very tiny jumbo market to ensure Airbus would lost money on every A380 made.
This guy talking shit about airbus - hows boeing doing this year after a failing 737 MAX and its Starliner program in tatters about to be beaten by SpaceX?
Sad that these things are already being phased out and production is being slowed drastically. I do wish that we could still fly large airliners rather than the flying sardine cans that other smaller liners have become.
It's a shame but it does seem the future is wide-body, incredibly efficient twinjet planes instead of quadjet double-deck planes. It does make sense but man the A380 and Boeing 747 are a sight to behold and I'm going to miss either of them if they ever stop being in service (mainly the 747).
Well, would you rather fly in an even smaller sardine can to a airport hub where you can then transfer through security to a gate at the other side of the airport. To catch the big plane which carries you to another hub. Where you then have to catch another small Sardine plane that carries you to the place you wanted to go. Or do you rather just take the crowded oversized sardine can straight to your destination? It's the more direct routes that killed the big 4 engine planes.
Sadly, I think it's never going to make it. The airlines are freaking out so much over fuel costs that they will never give it a chance. Another problem is the US government funds Boeing so it can afford to give away free planes to entice airlines into buying their planes.
Unfortunately, Airbus’ market research and forward projections were incorrect. However a magnificent airplane the 380 may be, passengers preferred direct point to point travel over the hub to hub model, hence A350, B787. Even Boing, worried that it’s heavy lifter 747-400 would be challenged, blew a ton of cash on regenerating the 747-8 uneccesarily, never to be recouped. What both manufacturers gained however, was flow on knowledge enabling them to advance in new tech. Personally I believe that Airbus is superior to Boing both in modernity and airplanes that airlines and passengers prefer to fly. Boing always compromises its product by swapping parts around, and has lost the ability to launch new product sans engineering problems. Compare the initial records of launching the 787 to those of the 350 and one will note Big differences. All the hou hah about so called Dreamliner going on for years, and the Airbus mob listened to their customers and quietly got on with their XWB350...... the moniker is apt as we live in a world of acronyms and XWB says exactly what this amazing machine is. As for giving a name like Dreamliner to product that turned into Boing’s Nightmare, who cares? Airbus grew from Concorde, Boing grew from bombers and that’s a fact. Mix n match from Boing came in the form of B17 to B307; B29 to B377; KC 135 to B707; HLX reconfigured B747; 707/727/737/757 all sharing essential similar fuselage design etc. Boing could not even decide in the 80s which model to bring next, hence the mildly successful 757 and 767 models, each of them “half resolved” and half sold. Both could have been iterated into far more relevant machines..... look how well the 757 has been used by carriers in the 21st century, yet by now their lives are limited by airframe cycles and technology. And Boing’s offering in 2020? A stewed 1950s design upgraded with modern bells and whistles that the airframe cannot handle called 737MAX. Yes, I believe reinventing bomb trucks like their B52 is great idea ( for once, the taxpayer got his money’s worth ) for 70 years, but come on Boing, would anyone purchase a 50s motor car with iPhone connectivity? Safety has come magically a long way, even tho’ people do their best to kill themselves on the road, a 2020s passenger airplane such as 737MAX does NOT have any place in the sky.
Anthony Tolhurst very busy "hub to hub" sectors, are still a good market for this aircraft. That's why the A380plus project was on the drawing board. Airlines still wanted to be able to use this aircraft to fly on long-haul busy routes where direct point-to-point wasn't so important. They could still achieve at 12% drop in costs, and an increase in efficiency of 17% overall, depending on seat configuration. so there is still a few years to go yet before this aircraft disappears from our skies. Those figures allow an aircraft to pay for its purchase cost in just three and a half years of operation on some extremely busy sectors, after that an airline can make profit without having to pay for the aircraft. And the new concept of the extreme density low-cost market look very promising indeed from a large aircraft standpoint. That's why the new 777X-9 and 747 800 are beginning to get a new lease of life on the order books. The new 777 can house up to 414 passengers in three classes, and over 500 in two class high-density layout, rivaling the 747-8 and the A380 in terms of margin overhead per capita. This new high density low cost model, will dominate the long-haul market for the next 4 or 5 years. with many airlines already reconfiguring their seat layout to suit this market. This doesn't mean that the executive sectors, offering three class layout, will disappear from busy routes, it just means that the high-density low-cost market will take a slightly larger share than it does currently. There will always be a business/first market no matter what, because that's what really pays the bills, it's just that it will take a step back and take up a slightly smaller share of the overall sector market. With improvements in engine efficiency, new manufacturing techniques, and the use of more composite materials in construction, over 100 A380plus, another 120 777X-9, and options for another 40 747-8 aircraft are on order, so the VLA market is now looking healthier again - for very busy long haul hub routes at least, anyway. The new high density low cost seat marketing models will keep these giants flying for years to come. Perhaps, not decades, but for many years anyway. Proof of this, can be found in last month's contract by a small low-cost airline, to purchase 30 boneyard A380s to operate using a 'super high density, super low cost, on super busy routes' model. Other low-cost airlines are following suit. Over the next five years many nearly new 747s and 777s will be purchased or leased from boneyards, or carriers wishing to offload their fleet stock, to use as a one class extreme high density very low cost hub to hub model. They will squeeze out the last few percent of value of these wonderful older VLAs that thought their flying days were over.
Thank you, Sky! Your videos are always thorough, well researched, with original material and a good sense of humor! May I suggest next series - videos about various space launch systems, rockets, and progression of human space flight.
Nice video. BUT, no new orders in years..... not even for cargo. 747 had a good, 40 year run. A380...10 years. Not bashing and respect Airbus for creating this amazing airplane. No market for such a large plane.
My thought about it is that they might try it once they have all the customers happy. My thought always been that once it lost it's glamour they might try to build it and assemble it all in one place, cutting costs and improving times of delivery. I want to know if they'll try to do it in France, or if they want to cut a lot of costs and they'll try to create a huge assembly plant in Spain, for example The reason why it was assembled all over the place is because it was a great pride for Europe, but now, it would be better if it was built faster and cheaper. And for cargo I'm sure it will always be cost effective, because there is always need to transport a lot of stuff everywhere, specially with the rise of Aamazon and Alibaba and their big pockets
Actually market changed. Not many orders for 747's either. (except cargo) Cariers went from hub and spoke organisation to more direct flights. Usually with smaller long range planes like the 787 and A350. As a cargo plane the A380 isn't that efficient. It's made for internal volume not lifting capacity. Then it can't be loaded through the nose like a 747 cargo plane. (which offers far more efficient loading). TLDR. The jobs it was designed for are going out. And it is a lousy transport plane.
@@bril5057 Makes me think if boeing or Airbus would design a proper modern cargo plane. with front and rear doors with the largest twin engine set-up and best fuel economy. How well would they sell?
1barnet1 The 777 freighter is selling very well. The nose door on the 747F advantage is to be able to load long oversized cargo for the heavy lift market that won’t fit through a side door. In that segment, it competes with the Antonov. Many 747 cargo planes are converted passenger planes and don’t have the nose door. Loading ULD containers is easily done through side doors. If you look at FEDEX, they don’t use the 747F, they have been buying up the 777F and 767F as they replaced older aircraft. Cargo market is very different than passenger market. For example, most transpacific cargo planes stop in Anchorage Alaska for crew change and to be able to carry more cargo weight than fuel. There is talk that Boeing had discussions with FedEx and I am sure UPS on the proposed 797 as a freighter.
I agree, turboprop regional airplanes and many bush planes are very underapreciated. In my country countles isolated communities are being served by these type of planes. They bring connection, investment, vaccine, and many more to these communities. 👍
That plane is a marvel of engineering, and on top of it it is just beautiful. Would love to see the longer version of this aircraft, but given the market that unfortunately does not appear to be on the cards.
Phil But it’s also already big enough. Lengthening it would probably make it too big for Code F airports. This is not mentioning how could any airline fill an even bigger A380.
@@sashingopaul3111 That exactly is what the market is about. If enough money was to be made with this plane, all the rpoblems you talk about would be tackled
Most beautiful giant of the skies...it is such a shame that Airbus is ending the production. Looking forward to keep on flying on this beauty. The most comfortable flights I have been on
Bit late to catch the boat, but an amazing aircraft. I would love to go on one just once. With smaller aircraft going point to point it is to late for the market, but the very long haul or the huge holiday market it might have a small chance of making it, but is there that many people want to go to the same holiday destination? I think not. I like the paint job on the last aircraft.
Thank you Skyships for this great series on the worlds jet aircraft. It has been very interesting to watch and learn from. I especially appreciated the Russian jetliners as they don’t always have much in-depth information or history in English. Looking forward to your next videos 👍🏻
I will forever consider the 747 as the greatest jetliner ever built. However, the A380 takes things to a different level in terms of comfort, capacity, range, and technological advancement. It is a WONDERFUL feat of engineering and Airbus has done A VERY GOOD JOB with this plane. What a beauty!
I'm so glad they didn't cancel this plane. I love it. I've flown it once on a short hop from Oman to Dubai. It's a gem. Very good for ultra high density routes. Like Dubai Delhi. Those routes have seen ordinary planes get worn out really quickly as they get overworked. This plane can basically fly twice a 777's complement. Less fuel, one landing fee. It's got a real future.
Don't write the 380 off too soon, I do a lot of long haul business class flying and the 380 wins hands down for comfort. Its the main reason I and lots of others choose Emirates. The 777 is nice but not in the same league especially for premium passengers.
I just saw one landing at Tullamarine, trying 2 stop an pay attention now since XOVID there are not many coming in and after watching your channel I'm enjoying identifying each plane. Living 5km from Melbourne airport I should know these things.
When the 80th A380plus is delivered in 2020, the a 380 program will finally break even. So even though it won't have made a profit, Airbus won't feel so bad.
I may be a Boeing fanboy but it is quite sad to see such a short career. If Airbus could somehow trim some weight and develop an A380F maybe it could stay in the skies just a little bit longer. Unfortunately Ive heard that would be very difficult.
The A380 has had very little effect on the 747, there are not many airlines who have retired a 747 and replaced with a 380. In fact many operate both still. But the real reason for the downfall in the 747 is actually the 777 and 787, that's usually what they are replaced with. However Down here in New Zealand, the most isolated large country on the planet the 747 8 would have been a good choice for all the long trans Oceanic flights across the Pacific like the 744 used too. Fast, safe and reliable. Plus massive passenger appeal.
Amazing bird, but too late to market, now that the hub-n-spoke airline model is going kaput. By contrast, the 747 was revolutionary for its time and reigned supreme for decades. An engineering and commercial success for Boeing.
Dammit ... many years ago I provided IT support for engineers at Airbus Filton. The engineers nagged and nagged me to make business cases for them to get Catia v5.0 software for them. Tons of testing later and new workstations and they had the 'essential' software 'they *needed* to do their jobs'. I wish I could have known this then and said "everyone else is using v4.0 and you'll stuff things up so stop asking for shiny new things and wasting all my budget and let me eat my sandwich in peace". >:(
ive never seen or been on one of these...largest i flew was the 747s... these look incredible, such monstrous beasts! Im always amazed at how something so massive and heavy leaves the ground and lands so gently
Roger Redding R.R Should have offered a freighter at the same time? May have sold well? Lots of freight always need to be moved worldwide?and it's a new modern wide bodied aircraft? ideal for replacing the ageing workhorse 747 freighter ?
The A380 never reached her goal. Before all problems with the Corona several airlines announced their grieve on it. I flew one flight with Air France and the cabin crew said that it was a political push from the Government to them to buy this product. It is all about prestige and thinking too big. The 747 model really changed air travel worldwide in a way that Airbus never can replace.
would like to have seen the longer 900 version. the 800 just looks a bit squat. do some classic planes. like the vickers viscount - the 1st turboprop airliner..
Yes ... I recommend you should show some different things in aircraft Or case study on air crash investigation ..... Something like that 🙂 This will also help u to gain more subscribers
F-WWOW is actually not a bad registration for the first A380. F-Wxxx is for prototype, preproduction, manufacturer temporary registration, etc, so it would have been F-Wxxx no matter what.
747 is not dead yet. The cargo version is still going strong. On the other hand Singapore airlines have retired their first A380 only after 10 yrs. This is mainly because of the failure of hub and spoke model and the advent of small long haul planes which are more profitable.
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Why does the A380 get some much hate? Is it because the 747 got a more efficient competitor and people can't accept another jumbo? This battle between Airbus and Boeing fans is just ridiculous. The infamous "If it ain't Boeing I'm not going" phrase is just retarded. I'm not hating on Boeing here. I respect both manufacturers for different reasons and I wish others would too.
I think that the emotions come, at least partially, from the fact that Airbus is subject to political influence in it's design choices. The business factors are, it seems, put aside for the right political decision. That would be the "raw raw raw, we beat the Americas at this". That kind of thinking has produced a number of failures since, in the end, it is business forces that select a winner. It can be annoying for example to hear Airbus claim "the biggest airliner" as if there never was a biggest before.
In addition to Redlock's excellent post. I don't really see much hate. Sure, there's one or two posters here that seem hateful, but I think that's just tribalism and the internet in general. The skepticism you see posted here, I think, has more to do with Airbus, and others, touting the A380 as "better" than the 747. Sure, from an engineering perspective, it's vastly newer, and does have some innovation, and the A380 is an engineering marvel. Having said that though, it's hard to dispute that the A380 is pretty much a market failure. It certainly hasn't penetrated the market in any way like the 747 did. Additionally, the A380 is an engineering marvel brought low by poor design. What do I mean with that? The A380 was designed to fill a role that was diminishing at the time of design, and nearly completely disappeared since then. The hub and spoke model of airliner transportation is all but dead now, and will die off completely with the newest, longest range twin jets out there. So, I would say the "hate" is more like a response to overly boisterous Airbus fans trying to make the A380 more important than it is. That's just my opinion of course, others are available.
@@redlock4004 Today the A380 feels that it really was done to be just a record holder. But back when development started on the A380 the hub and spoke model of aviation was still a thing as the 747 was more popular and even McDonnell Douglas were thinking about creating a two-deck superjumbo. So taking into consideration the market at the time the A380 starts to make sense. Today as point to point journeys are more popular it's easy to say that the A380 is exists just to show off. I feel that this misconception and the fact that it's a 747 competitor is the reason for all this hate. I like both the 747 and the A380 because they are something different. In an industry full of single-deck twin-engine jets these two are special and they stand out. It's sad to see both of them slowly dying in favour of newer twin-jets.
@@jkarhiaho you're actually not right about the market conditions when the A380 was developed. When the initial feasibility study was done in the early 90s this was the case, however when they actually launched the programme it had changed. Airbus developed the 380 at the same time as the 7e7 to be the 787, and if you read the book flight of the titans which documents the two aircraft programmes consecutively you'll see Airbus were pretty cocky that Boeing got it wrong with the point to point LR twinjet, the rushed A350 is an admission they stuffed up.
@@garethcurtis7545 I'll explain what I meant with "when development started" . When the A380 was first been researched and when it was still just an idea. Back then it made sense but the industry changed rapidly. It's crazy to think how they started a super expnsive programme based upon outdated study results.
I thought Airbus was going to end production of the A380 after all deliveries are completed in the early 2020s. And I thought Boeing had not yet announced that the 747 program would end. To my knowledge Boeing has no plans to discontinue the 747 production as of right now.
@@stacked-racing That may be true for the passenger 747, even though Boeing has not announced any such intentions. However, even if the 747 passenger jet ceases production, the 747 freighter will continue to be in production for the foreseeable future. Joe Sutter predicted the 747 would one day be just a freeighter. And a design feature of the 747, the nose that can open up to facilitate loading cargo from the front of the airplane, that allows much longer cargo that cannot be loaded any other way in any other aircraft, is the reason that it cannot be fully replaced for that purpose. That is why the 747 will continue to survive for much longer than the A380 production will.
@@stacked-racing The A380 is done. Production will end in a year or two. All airlines using it are retiring it early, within 10 years. It is too expensive to buy or operate. Not efficient. It has to be basically filled to be viable. The 747 is still being produced mostly for cargo versions and VIP planes. No end of production in sight. Lufthansa is using 747-8s to replace their A380s. The 747 cargo freighter is king of that niche. So no, the 747 is not dying like the A380 is. Somebody is confused as to who is living under the rock.
I would not write the A380 completely off. When air travel returns to previous levels after the worldwide pandemic ends, busy airports will surely benefit from higher capacity planes, as they can carry more passengers to the air on the existing runways with existing capacity. I really hope a twin engined version of the A380 will see the day of light one day. The A380 is - currently - a flop. But lessons learned are valuable and could potentially pay off. I might be wrong though. In that case, the A380 is really the flying elephant.
I've flown on the A380 once. The cabin environment was great - comfortable air pressure, guud humidity and VERY quiet inside. But... Lufthansa totally messed it up. Horrible seats, no legroom, probably my worst longhaul flight ever.
Thanks, But remember, Aatma amar hai aur sharir naswar hai, mng, soul is immortal, body is destructible. This phrase applies on certain things of our lives too.
for economy class the aisle and window seats have narrow legroom due to the way the seat legs are designed, while not horrible it is worse than all other planes even the A320.
It seems like a never ending stream of a380 videos saying how great it is and why doesn’t the industry buy it. Airlines are businesses and the bottom line is what drives their decisions. No different than 747-400’s and a340’s being retired, the a380 is another example of the end of 4 engine passenger planes when compared with the business efficiency of twin engine aircraft like the 777, 787, a350 and a330. Passengers may like the a380, but those same passengers vote with their wallet when they buy an airline ticket and will opt to find the most direct and cost efficient service to get where they are going. My last trip to Singapore, I wasn’t about to endure a flight to Europe and on to Singapore so I could fly an a380 even on Singapore airlines. Further, I wasn’t going to fly domestic on a 737 for 3.5 hours to connect on to an a380 from the west coast of the USA. I happily took a 777-300ER non stop to Taiwan and connected onto another 777-300ER for 22 hours total travel time including connection. Some would say that airline could use an a380 for the benefit of the customer, but the 777-300ER wasn’t full on any of 4 flights so there would never be a business case to put a 525 seat aircraft on a route that isn’t consistently sold out in a 777-300ER. In other routes, airlines with the demand would rather offer multiple 777 or 787 flights per day to give schedule options than limit themselves to a single a380 per day. For those that say the a380 is the solution to slot restricted congested airports. The problem is the volume of 737 and a320 flights that by shear numbers consume most of the slots and gates. Therefore, the solution at an airport like Heathrow is a middle market plane like the proposed 797 that will carry 225-275 passengers that can have 2 planes replace 3 planes.
Although it is a technological marvel, I would say, as a passenger, good riddance. My worst economy flight ever was on an AF A380 from SFO to CDG, I felt squeezed in like a sardine in economy. Boarding and offboarding took 45 min - 1h on each end. Too many passengers constantly blocking each other on that plane! My experience in Dreamliners and A330 Neo has been so much better in terms of comfort and speed of on/offboarding. YMMV of course in business or elite classes.
Finally, I got the explanation for the two thrust reversals!
Delta Beta hmm. Me too.
This plane is the quietest and smoothest plane out there. So spacious
Be a shame to see it go
its wont go for a very long time
@@Marco-wz3ff repeat that i fucking dare you
i agree, comfort wise it was so smooth
nope and nope, the A350 is much better, quieter and smoother, at the moment it is the best airliner ever created. But the A380 is special, like the B747 was. I am sad, that A380 came at the wrong time, when the economy is everything. I find the A380 very beautifull from behind, the wings are gorgeous.
not at all lmao
It's sad that a second European engineering marvel is proving unsuccessful. First the fastest airliner and now the biggest. Thank goodness they're big enough to absorb it because they make amazing planes!
747 is still more popular... and less chubby
It’s called putting pride before economics.
Airbus had the right idea when they made a twin engine wide body airliner. Boeing followed suit with the 767 and never designed a new airliner with more than two engines again.
Airbus was on the right track with the long range A310, the 727 replacing A320.. and the A300 replacing and 767/777 competitor the A330.
But had to satisfy its pride with the A340 just as four engine airliners we’re on the way out. It was small and underpowered and not competitive. The A380 was an expensive halo product that was launched as almost all world airlines were dumping their 747s for smaller twinjets. The first A350 was laughed out of production by GECAS and ILFC as a cheap bandaid reaction to the Boeing 787 (since they were up to their eyeballs in A380 development that’s all they could do).
Now it’s a white elephant. Boeing very wisely offered the minimally redesigned 747-8 to split the very tiny jumbo market to ensure Airbus would lost money on every A380 made.
And smallest passenger jet the A318
This guy talking shit about airbus - hows boeing doing this year after a failing 737 MAX and its Starliner program in tatters about to be beaten by SpaceX?
@@Stealth360stealth really got him there bud wow
Sad that these things are already being phased out and production is being slowed drastically. I do wish that we could still fly large airliners rather than the flying sardine cans that other smaller liners have become.
It's a shame but it does seem the future is wide-body, incredibly efficient twinjet planes instead of quadjet double-deck planes. It does make sense but man the A380 and Boeing 747 are a sight to behold and I'm going to miss either of them if they ever stop being in service (mainly the 747).
@@TheIshikawaRin Yes It's sad, the 4-engine giats as the A380 and the 747 will retire. Boeing 777X and A350 will be flagships
I wonder who’s going to keep the A380 the longest. Probably Emirates and ANA...
Well, would you rather fly in an even smaller sardine can to a airport hub where you can then transfer through security to a gate at the other side of the airport.
To catch the big plane which carries you to another hub. Where you then have to catch another small
Sardine plane that carries you to the place you wanted to go.
Or do you rather just take the crowded oversized sardine can straight to your destination?
It's the more direct routes that killed the big 4 engine planes.
Personally I’d rather fly anything that gets me to my destination safely.
An amazing machine. Not sure there is a market for it. I do hope it survives and I hope someday to fly on one. I'm worried I won't get that chance.
Sadly, I think it's never going to make it. The airlines are freaking out so much over fuel costs that they will never give it a chance. Another problem is the US government funds Boeing so it can afford to give away free planes to entice airlines into buying their planes.
Unfortunately, Airbus’ market research and forward projections were incorrect. However a magnificent airplane the 380 may be, passengers preferred direct point to point travel over the hub to hub model, hence A350, B787. Even Boing, worried that it’s heavy lifter 747-400 would be challenged, blew a ton of cash on regenerating the 747-8 uneccesarily, never to be recouped. What both manufacturers gained however, was flow on knowledge enabling them to advance in new tech. Personally I believe that Airbus is superior to Boing both in modernity and airplanes that airlines and passengers prefer to fly. Boing always compromises its product by swapping parts around, and has lost the ability to launch new product sans engineering problems. Compare the initial records of launching the 787 to those of the 350 and one will note Big differences. All the hou hah about so called Dreamliner going on for years, and the Airbus mob listened to their customers and quietly got on with their XWB350...... the moniker is apt as we live in a world of acronyms and XWB says exactly what this amazing machine is. As for giving a name like Dreamliner to product that turned into Boing’s Nightmare, who cares? Airbus grew from Concorde, Boing grew from bombers and that’s a fact. Mix n match from Boing came in the form of B17 to B307; B29 to B377; KC 135 to B707; HLX reconfigured B747; 707/727/737/757 all sharing essential similar fuselage design etc. Boing could not even decide in the 80s which model to bring next, hence the mildly successful 757 and 767 models, each of them “half resolved” and half sold. Both could have been iterated into far more relevant machines..... look how well the 757 has been used by carriers in the 21st century, yet by now their lives are limited by airframe cycles and technology. And Boing’s offering in 2020? A stewed 1950s design upgraded with modern bells and whistles that the airframe cannot handle called 737MAX. Yes, I believe reinventing bomb trucks like their B52 is great idea ( for once, the taxpayer got his money’s worth ) for 70 years, but come on Boing, would anyone purchase a 50s motor car with iPhone connectivity? Safety has come magically a long way, even tho’ people do their best to kill themselves on the road, a 2020s passenger airplane such as 737MAX does NOT have any place in the sky.
Anthony Tolhurst very busy "hub to hub" sectors, are still a good market for this aircraft. That's why the A380plus project was on the drawing board. Airlines still wanted to be able to use this aircraft to fly on long-haul busy routes where direct point-to-point wasn't so important. They could still achieve at 12% drop in costs, and an increase in efficiency of 17% overall, depending on seat configuration. so there is still a few years to go yet before this aircraft disappears from our skies. Those figures allow an aircraft to pay for its purchase cost in just three and a half years of operation on some extremely busy sectors, after that an airline can make profit without having to pay for the aircraft.
And the new concept of the extreme density low-cost market look very promising indeed from a large aircraft standpoint. That's why the new 777X-9 and 747 800 are beginning to get a new lease of life on the order books. The new 777 can house up to 414 passengers in three classes, and over 500 in two class high-density layout, rivaling the 747-8 and the A380 in terms of margin overhead per capita.
This new high density low cost model, will dominate the long-haul market for the next 4 or 5 years. with many airlines already reconfiguring their seat layout to suit this market.
This doesn't mean that the executive sectors, offering three class layout, will disappear from busy routes, it just means that the high-density low-cost market will take a slightly larger share than it does currently. There will always be a business/first market no matter what, because that's what really pays the bills, it's just that it will take a step back and take up a slightly smaller share of the overall sector market.
With improvements in engine efficiency, new manufacturing techniques, and the use of more composite materials in construction, over 100 A380plus, another 120 777X-9, and options for another 40 747-8 aircraft are on order, so the VLA market is now looking healthier again - for very busy long haul hub routes at least, anyway. The new high density low cost seat marketing models will keep these giants flying for years to come. Perhaps, not decades, but for many years anyway.
Proof of this, can be found in last month's contract by a small low-cost airline, to purchase 30 boneyard A380s to operate using a 'super high density, super low cost, on super busy routes' model.
Other low-cost airlines are following suit. Over the next five years many nearly new 747s and 777s will be purchased or leased from boneyards, or carriers wishing to offload their fleet stock, to use as a one class extreme high density very low cost hub to hub model. They will squeeze out the last few percent of value of these wonderful older VLAs that thought their flying days were over.
@Andrew Liang YOU SOUND VERY ANGRY!!!
A380 and A350 is my two favorite airplanes to fly :-) Great storytelling and research - you are always able to bring more details to your films - THNX
Thank you, Sky! Your videos are always thorough, well researched, with original material and a good sense of humor!
May I suggest next series - videos about various space launch systems, rockets, and progression of human space flight.
Nice video. BUT, no new orders in years..... not even for cargo. 747 had a good, 40 year run. A380...10 years. Not bashing and respect Airbus for creating this amazing airplane. No market for such a large plane.
My thought about it is that they might try it once they have all the customers happy. My thought always been that once it lost it's glamour they might try to build it and assemble it all in one place, cutting costs and improving times of delivery. I want to know if they'll try to do it in France, or if they want to cut a lot of costs and they'll try to create a huge assembly plant in Spain, for example
The reason why it was assembled all over the place is because it was a great pride for Europe, but now, it would be better if it was built faster and cheaper. And for cargo I'm sure it will always be cost effective, because there is always need to transport a lot of stuff everywhere, specially with the rise of Aamazon and Alibaba and their big pockets
Actually market changed. Not many orders for 747's either. (except cargo)
Cariers went from hub and spoke organisation to more direct flights.
Usually with smaller long range planes like the 787 and A350.
As a cargo plane the A380 isn't that efficient. It's made for internal volume not lifting capacity.
Then it can't be loaded through the nose like a 747 cargo plane.
(which offers far more efficient loading).
TLDR. The jobs it was designed for are going out. And it is a lousy transport plane.
@@1barnet1 Correct. 747's are vanishing from the common carrier market....now, only cargo orders. Market wants fuel efficient, twin engine planes.
@@bril5057 Makes me think if boeing or Airbus would design a proper modern cargo plane. with front and rear doors with the largest twin engine set-up and best fuel economy.
How well would they sell?
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The 777 freighter is selling very well.
The nose door on the 747F advantage is to be able to load long oversized cargo for the heavy lift market that won’t fit through a side door. In that segment, it competes with the Antonov. Many 747 cargo planes are converted passenger planes and don’t have the nose door.
Loading ULD containers is easily done through side doors. If you look at FEDEX, they don’t use the 747F, they have been buying up the 777F and 767F as they replaced older aircraft.
Cargo market is very different than passenger market. For example, most transpacific cargo planes stop in Anchorage Alaska for crew change and to be able to carry more cargo weight than fuel.
There is talk that Boeing had discussions with FedEx and I am sure UPS on the proposed 797 as a freighter.
When was the titanic build... only 100 years before...?!
Man, what kind of progress was that...
Please make a turboprop marathon with Q400 ATR42 and such :DDD A video about the sud-aviation caravelle would be cool aswell :)
I agree, turboprop regional airplanes and many bush planes are very underapreciated. In my country countles isolated communities are being served by these type of planes. They bring connection, investment, vaccine, and many more to these communities. 👍
Yes
+1 for the Caravelle
For very long direct flights in business, this airplane is great. Always liked the flights between NYC to Dubai.
That plane is a marvel of engineering, and on top of it it is just beautiful. Would love to see the longer version of this aircraft, but given the market that unfortunately does not appear to be on the cards.
Phil But it’s also already big enough. Lengthening it would probably make it too big for Code F airports. This is not mentioning how could any airline fill an even bigger A380.
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That exactly is what the market is about. If enough money was to be made with this plane, all the rpoblems you talk about would be tackled
They may not be a revolution in design, but the wings on it are a thing of beauty
I am building this awesome feat of Engineering with my best friend! It’s a beautiful masterpiece!
I realized that this was your best video of the marathon when we both released a sigh of relief regarding the safety record, no hull losses.
Most beautiful giant of the skies...it is such a shame that Airbus is ending the production. Looking forward to keep on flying on this beauty. The most comfortable flights I have been on
Bit late to catch the boat, but an amazing aircraft. I would love to go on one just once. With smaller aircraft going point to point it is to late for the market, but the very long haul or the huge holiday market it might have a small chance of making it, but is there that many people want to go to the same holiday destination? I think not. I like the paint job on the last aircraft.
Thank you Skyships for this great series on the worlds jet aircraft. It has been very interesting to watch and learn from. I especially appreciated the Russian jetliners as they don’t always have much in-depth information or history in English. Looking forward to your next videos 👍🏻
I will forever consider the 747 as the greatest jetliner ever built. However, the A380 takes things to a different level in terms of comfort, capacity, range, and technological advancement. It is a WONDERFUL feat of engineering and Airbus has done A VERY GOOD JOB with this plane. What a beauty!
I'm so glad they didn't cancel this plane. I love it. I've flown it once on a short hop from Oman to Dubai. It's a gem. Very good for ultra high density routes. Like Dubai Delhi. Those routes have seen ordinary planes get worn out really quickly as they get overworked. This plane can basically fly twice a 777's complement. Less fuel, one landing fee. It's got a real future.
Good job on the videos man, enjoyed all of them. Thank you.
Don't write the 380 off too soon, I do a lot of long haul business class flying and the 380 wins hands down for comfort. Its the main reason I and lots of others choose Emirates. The 777 is nice but not in the same league especially for premium passengers.
I just saw one landing at Tullamarine, trying 2 stop an pay attention now since XOVID there are not many coming in and after watching your channel I'm enjoying identifying each plane. Living 5km from Melbourne airport I should know these things.
most beautiful plane ever built, from America
When the 80th A380plus is delivered in 2020, the a 380 program will finally break even.
So even though it won't have made a profit, Airbus won't feel so bad.
I may be a Boeing fanboy but it is quite sad to see such a short career. If Airbus could somehow trim some weight and develop an A380F maybe it could stay in the skies just a little bit longer. Unfortunately Ive heard that would be very difficult.
The beautiful superjumbo jet
I love the A380! It is a great airplane to fly.
Playing flight sim dosent count. And FYI you do very little flying in anything Airbus.
@@garethcurtis7545 take a 737 MAX then if you want more excitment
Brilliant A380 film is back hopefully not to be deleted again. As always thank you Skyships!
The A380 has had very little effect on the 747, there are not many airlines who have retired a 747 and replaced with a 380. In fact many operate both still. But the real reason for the downfall in the 747 is actually the 777 and 787, that's usually what they are replaced with. However Down here in New Zealand, the most isolated large country on the planet the 747 8 would have been a good choice for all the long trans Oceanic flights across the Pacific like the 744 used too. Fast, safe and reliable. Plus massive passenger appeal.
Gareth Curtis Sky Surv but...ANZ uses 787s and 77Ws
The irony is that the A380 program was terminated just a few weeks after this video was released
excellent review and summary one of the most thorough yet.
Well done.
Qantas 32 was almost lost but the A380 held together!
...and landed safe with overweight.
Proudly watching at 360p
Wait for a few minutes)
Skyships Eng that wouldn't make me FIRST ;)
@@ilotitto I can wait)
1080p here dog.
Razster i know, I was just to eager to watch it so I didn't wait.
Amazing bird, but too late to market, now that the hub-n-spoke airline model is going kaput. By contrast, the 747 was revolutionary for its time and reigned supreme for decades. An engineering and commercial success for Boeing.
The A380 is the greatest plane ever built.
Dammit ... many years ago I provided IT support for engineers at Airbus Filton. The engineers nagged and nagged me to make business cases for them to get Catia v5.0 software for them. Tons of testing later and new workstations and they had the 'essential' software 'they *needed* to do their jobs'. I wish I could have known this then and said "everyone else is using v4.0 and you'll stuff things up so stop asking for shiny new things and wasting all my budget and let me eat my sandwich in peace". >:(
Thanks Sky a pleasure to watch
ive never seen or been on one of these...largest i flew was the 747s... these look incredible, such monstrous beasts! Im always amazed at how something so massive and heavy leaves the ground and lands so gently
Roger Redding R.R Should have offered a freighter at the same time? May have sold well? Lots of freight always need to be moved worldwide?and it's a new modern wide bodied aircraft? ideal for replacing the ageing workhorse 747 freighter ?
It hasn't been phased out yet but I miss this plane already
The A380 never reached her goal. Before all problems with the Corona several airlines announced their grieve on it. I flew one flight with Air France and the cabin crew said that it was a political push from the Government to them to buy this product. It is all about prestige and thinking too big. The 747 model really changed air travel worldwide in a way that Airbus never can replace.
I didn't expect to see JD in his bath in this video!
Just looking at this thing is giving me a sense of production hell.
Amazing bird with a dark unknown future, my friend you are the best reviewer, i will be waiting for the next series
Do a series on the current Antonov family (even though it is very small)
would like to have seen the longer 900 version. the 800 just looks a bit squat. do some classic planes. like the vickers viscount - the 1st turboprop airliner..
Yes ... I recommend you should show some different things in aircraft Or case study on air crash investigation ..... Something like that 🙂
This will also help u to gain more subscribers
It would be cool to make a Douglas marathon
Thank you for yet another really informative video.
Sad to say, but the Boeing people were right in this case. All in all, they saw no economic market for this aircraft - and they were right.
2:18 what the hell its the queen of the skies b747 ...*triggered*
Atri Hegde what are you trying to say?
Love the A380
let's just hope they don't scrap the blueprint. the A380 might be needed in the future and they could add more efficient engines on it
Best plane ever made
thank you for the excellent info and beautiful images.
F-WWOW is actually not a bad registration for the first A380. F-Wxxx is for prototype, preproduction, manufacturer temporary registration, etc, so it would have been F-Wxxx no matter what.
I saw that LATAM A350 at Munich Airport last summer!
the best flying experience there is, bar none.
The only SUPER designation in the world. amazing bird . Europe really does the best
Also please make a podcast of these for Spotify... would love to listen at work
It is the most amazing passenger aircraft currently flying.
I just found your channel and I love it!
747 is not dead yet. The cargo version is still going strong. On the other hand Singapore airlines have retired their first A380 only after 10 yrs. This is mainly because of the failure of hub and spoke model and the advent of small long haul planes which are more profitable.
Great video
best aircraft ever, 747 shouldn't have been produced at all.
Loved this video. I have one unusual question. What are the background songs you're using? Can you name them and possibly give sources where I could purchase atleast one?
Found all songs:
Ersatz Bossa - John Deley and the 41 Players
The Bluest Star - The 126ers
Tonto - Silent Partner
Wedding Invitation - Jason Farnham
Whirlwind Love - Unicorn Heads
Wigs - Riot
Airbus is the best you can get (for money or love).
Awesome giant)
I have NOT flown wih This plane yet.
I've never had been on a plane
747: queen of the skies
A380: king of the skies
What a beautiful airplane...
Great video.☺️
Why does the A380 get some much hate? Is it because the 747 got a more efficient competitor and people can't accept another jumbo? This battle between Airbus and Boeing fans is just ridiculous. The infamous "If it ain't Boeing I'm not going" phrase is just retarded. I'm not hating on Boeing here. I respect both manufacturers for different reasons and I wish others would too.
I think that the emotions come, at least partially, from the fact that Airbus is subject to political influence in it's design choices. The business factors are, it seems, put aside for the right political decision. That would be the "raw raw raw, we beat the Americas at this". That kind of thinking has produced a number of failures since, in the end, it is business forces that select a winner. It can be annoying for example to hear Airbus claim "the biggest airliner" as if there never was a biggest before.
In addition to Redlock's excellent post.
I don't really see much hate. Sure, there's one or two posters here that seem hateful, but I think that's just tribalism and the internet in general. The skepticism you see posted here, I think, has more to do with Airbus, and others, touting the A380 as "better" than the 747. Sure, from an engineering perspective, it's vastly newer, and does have some innovation, and the A380 is an engineering marvel. Having said that though, it's hard to dispute that the A380 is pretty much a market failure. It certainly hasn't penetrated the market in any way like the 747 did. Additionally, the A380 is an engineering marvel brought low by poor design. What do I mean with that? The A380 was designed to fill a role that was diminishing at the time of design, and nearly completely disappeared since then. The hub and spoke model of airliner transportation is all but dead now, and will die off completely with the newest, longest range twin jets out there. So, I would say the "hate" is more like a response to overly boisterous Airbus fans trying to make the A380 more important than it is. That's just my opinion of course, others are available.
@@redlock4004 Today the A380 feels that it really was done to be just a record holder. But back when development started on the A380 the hub and spoke model of aviation was still a thing as the 747 was more popular and even McDonnell Douglas were thinking about creating a two-deck superjumbo. So taking into consideration the market at the time the A380 starts to make sense. Today as point to point journeys are more popular it's easy to say that the A380 is exists just to show off. I feel that this misconception and the fact that it's a 747 competitor is the reason for all this hate. I like both the 747 and the A380 because they are something different. In an industry full of single-deck twin-engine jets these two are special and they stand out. It's sad to see both of them slowly dying in favour of newer twin-jets.
@@jkarhiaho you're actually not right about the market conditions when the A380 was developed. When the initial feasibility study was done in the early 90s this was the case, however when they actually launched the programme it had changed. Airbus developed the 380 at the same time as the 7e7 to be the 787, and if you read the book flight of the titans which documents the two aircraft programmes consecutively you'll see Airbus were pretty cocky that Boeing got it wrong with the point to point LR twinjet, the rushed A350 is an admission they stuffed up.
@@garethcurtis7545 I'll explain what I meant with "when development started" . When the A380 was first been researched and when it was still just an idea. Back then it made sense but the industry changed rapidly. It's crazy to think how they started a super expnsive programme based upon outdated study results.
Thumbs up for Il-62 PLEASE!
I also comment Skyships to do a video about Il-62, M8!
Awesome, awesome, awesome videos man! Great work! Thanks for making them ☺️☺️👍
The flying elephant
Fred Schriks better than flying guppy
Good joke XD
I love the A-380!!!!
I thought Airbus was going to end production of the A380 after all deliveries are completed in the early 2020s. And I thought Boeing had not yet announced that the 747 program would end. To my knowledge Boeing has no plans to discontinue the 747 production as of right now.
FinalLugiaGuardian Wow, the 747 is dying next to the 380 so what rock do you live under if you didnt know that...
@@stacked-racing That may be true for the passenger 747, even though Boeing has not announced any such intentions.
However, even if the 747 passenger jet ceases production, the 747 freighter will continue to be in production for the foreseeable future.
Joe Sutter predicted the 747 would one day be just a freeighter. And a design feature of the 747, the nose that can open up to facilitate loading cargo from the front of the airplane, that allows much longer cargo that cannot be loaded any other way in any other aircraft, is the reason that it cannot be fully replaced for that purpose.
That is why the 747 will continue to survive for much longer than the A380 production will.
@@stacked-racing The A380 is done. Production will end in a year or two. All airlines using it are retiring it early, within 10 years. It is too expensive to buy or operate. Not efficient. It has to be basically filled to be viable.
The 747 is still being produced mostly for cargo versions and VIP planes. No end of production in sight. Lufthansa is using 747-8s to replace their A380s. The 747 cargo freighter is king of that niche. So no, the 747 is not dying like the A380 is. Somebody is confused as to who is living under the rock.
dave miller when did I ask anything about the a380, oh yeah, I didn’t, you don’t have to tell me the facts of it everyone already knows
dave miller also I literally only said its dying, not dead, like the a380
Waiting to travel in one...
fast forward, the A380 stopped production and the 747 still came out
all respect for iconic 747 but a380 never crashed,and deserve its place on the market
A300, A310, A320, A330, A340 # 40x2=80 (double floors) *A380 😎
great video and i'm from toulouse
Yay a new video!
I would not write the A380 completely off. When air travel returns to previous levels after the worldwide pandemic ends, busy airports will surely benefit from higher capacity planes, as they can carry more passengers to the air on the existing runways with existing capacity. I really hope a twin engined version of the A380 will see the day of light one day. The A380 is - currently - a flop. But lessons learned are valuable and could potentially pay off. I might be wrong though. In that case, the A380 is really the flying elephant.
I've flown on the A380 once. The cabin environment was great - comfortable air pressure, guud humidity and VERY quiet inside.
But... Lufthansa totally messed it up. Horrible seats, no legroom, probably my worst longhaul flight ever.
Great video, as always. Can we hear the story of Li-2?
hey great vid, btw where do you get your information from , like do you have any dources, you mind putting it in the description thx , @Skyships Eng
Europe’s sunken flagship
Thanks, But remember, Aatma amar hai aur sharir naswar hai, mng, soul is immortal, body is destructible. This phrase applies on certain things of our lives too.
As of now, the last deliver of the A380 will be delivered in 2021.
Also, Boeing has announced the end of 747 production.
Sad times for aviation.
for economy class the aisle and window seats have narrow legroom due to the way the seat legs are designed, while not horrible it is worse than all other planes even the A320.
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That's a little town !!!
It seems like a never ending stream of a380 videos saying how great it is and why doesn’t the industry buy it.
Airlines are businesses and the bottom line is what drives their decisions.
No different than 747-400’s and a340’s being retired, the a380 is another example of the end of 4 engine passenger planes when compared with the business efficiency of twin engine aircraft like the 777, 787, a350 and a330.
Passengers may like the a380, but those same passengers vote with their wallet when they buy an airline ticket and will opt to find the most direct and cost efficient service to get where they are going.
My last trip to Singapore, I wasn’t about to endure a flight to Europe and on to Singapore so I could fly an a380 even on Singapore airlines. Further, I wasn’t going to fly domestic on a 737 for 3.5 hours to connect on to an a380 from the west coast of the USA.
I happily took a 777-300ER non stop to Taiwan and connected onto another 777-300ER for 22 hours total travel time including connection.
Some would say that airline could use an a380 for the benefit of the customer, but the 777-300ER wasn’t full on any of 4 flights so there would never be a business case to put a 525 seat aircraft on a route that isn’t consistently sold out in a 777-300ER.
In other routes, airlines with the demand would rather offer multiple 777 or 787 flights per day to give schedule options than limit themselves to a single a380 per day.
For those that say the a380 is the solution to slot restricted congested airports. The problem is the volume of 737 and a320 flights that by shear numbers consume most of the slots and gates. Therefore, the solution at an airport like Heathrow is a middle market plane like the proposed 797 that will carry 225-275 passengers that can have 2 planes replace 3 planes.
Nice series!
McDonnell Douglas please! Love your videos btw
He did DC-10 and MD 11
only A380 and 747 are the most iconic passenger planes in the world.They are unique
Russian Sokhoi also worked on an even bigger double decker Sukhoi KR-860
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_KR-860
Skyships will you be reuploading previous videos that are no longer available such as the a350?
Although it is a technological marvel, I would say, as a passenger, good riddance. My worst economy flight ever was on an AF A380 from SFO to CDG, I felt squeezed in like a sardine in economy. Boarding and offboarding took 45 min - 1h on each end. Too many passengers constantly blocking each other on that plane! My experience in Dreamliners and A330 Neo has been so much better in terms of comfort and speed of on/offboarding. YMMV of course in business or elite classes.