Answer this: Why is it necessary to have a real gun on set? Or have a real gun with a barrel that’s been filled, no longer hollow. Why use any rounds, we have sound effects.
I’m calling bullshit on this comment. When a movie uses fake crap , you can tell. And the lady in the video says there is no reason to point it at anyone , I’m sure that would make a great movie to watch. 😂😂😂😂. This was Hanna’s job. She failed. End of story.
Hannah was found guilty of bringing the live round. I see a lot of questions about who was responsible. Hannah was pictured with the live rounds before movie production began. She was responsible for checking every gun, every time. She was found guilty of being criminally responsible for the live round.
While tragic and easy to focus on, it honestly doesn't matter. After watching the case I can say without a doubt if someone more competent and cared about safety was in her position (even if there were live rounds on set) the safety precautions she was supposed to take would have prevented the gun with live rounds from making it to anyone who might have pulled the trigger. We like to focus on the live rounds because you are right, they should not have been on site, but like who cares. If the armorer literally does their job it shouldn't matter.
No, the "real big issue" is that he disavowed any and all tenants of gun safety while using the revolver like it was a laser pointer and telling me that I should be forced to endure gun control as a private citizen.
@@YUMLiberalTears No. You're as misguided as the next poster (and considerably less intelligent, but let's let that lie). The real "big issue" is the presence of live ammunition on a set where it wasn't necessary.
The supplier may have mixed them. They showed his storage space during the first trial. But regardless Baldwin knew that he should never point a gun directly at someone live round or not!
I can't stand Alec Baldwin. But I don't think that he's guilty of involuntary manslaughter because he held the gun. I believe he's GUILTY of MANSLAUGHTER because he was the PRODUCER of the film, and as an experienced actor, witnessed multiple mistakes by the armorer and did NOTHING about it. He allowed an unsafe workspace.
I agree 100%! If a boss willfully ignored someone in the most important safety position at a job, why shouldn't they be held responsible for that? As a producer he created an unsafe work environment. I think they were really focused on the wrong stuff during this conversation, his ability to prevent the tragedy before it got to the shooting in the first place is what they should focus on.
@redman0027 but how can he do lots of jobs at the same time he hired people to do these jobs if she hadn't brought live rounds on set it wouldn't be a problem...
Yes! I am a performer and I will double check a prop even if it’s something as simple as “I need to open this little box onstage, let me make sure it’s easy to open”
@malloryharding882 yip learned that lesson. Was driving g a hay truck towing a loader. My workmate hooked the loader up and as we're doing down the road the loader came off and if there was a car coming it would have killed someone. But it was my fault cause I didn't check the connection cause I was driving.
Yes but when there's someone there specifically for that job, she's more culpable. Especially when she's the one who brought live rounds to the set. If she got 18 months, he should get 6.
the telephone call of Hannah and the paralegal sounds like two thirteen year olds who've just been given detention! How unprofessional and unbecoming of a member of the legal profession to use such foul language and speak so flippantly after a woman has lost her life! No wonder her client is in jail!
Hannah should of got 10 years , she a immature stupid woman , had not a care in the world that a life was lost and left behind a son and a husband she is heartless
And to say "I don't trust that she's not recording these calls because they're not attorney calls." Ding, ding, ding, dummy. How do you as a paralegal not know that ALL non-attorney calls are recorded?
How about the rule: You never trust another person to check your gun for you. Would you drive your car into a busy intersection at the direction of someone else in your car, or or would you look at what is going on in the intersection for yourself. Gun checks, especially with a simple revolver, are quick and easy to do. You don't need to be a 'gun expert' to do it. When I do laundry or make toast at home I don't consider myself a 'washing machine and toaster expert'..
Is it really the quick? A colt single action requires the door to open and pull out each round after rotating the cylinder. Dummy rounds can only be identified by shaking.
@@JimmySmash87 , you don't have to pull out each round to identify a live round. As you rotate the cylinder you can see the undented primer of a live round. Or you can do what George Clooney does and fire the revolver into the ground six times to be sure.
So 6mins in he says ' I assumed it was a cold gun' ....case closed. He lies later then saying he was told by two different people it was cold. Lies lies lies. He says assumes again a second time one min later. He told so many lies his word is dirt
It seems Hannah Gutierrez is just a teenager, how the hell she got this job? Of savety in the set? Maybe her family helped her to get this position? Maybe her father? She'sclearly not capable of such responsability...
Well, Baldwin was on a tight budget &cleary hired her because she was cheaper….he knew they were shooting live rounds that’s why a lot of staff had walked out that morning before it happened
Hypothetical: If the scene they were shooting when the incident occurred had been a suicide scene instead, would Alec have checked the gun before pointing it at himself?
Apples and oranges. It wasn't a Russian Roulette scene so dosen't apply at all. Also what about the individual who provided and supplied all the rounds why aren't they also being held legally responsible for allowing live rounds mixed in with the blank rounds? It was a terrible accident and a fluke and should be adjudicated as an accidental shooting.
@dannyb3976 Your condescending attitude is duly noted and I think it was accidental or involuntary manslaughter. She is appealing her conviction and says she didn't know there were live rounds mixed in.
Alec Baldwin knows the protocols for weapons, his father taught him when he was younger, he has worked with many many armourers and weapons over the years of his acting career, plus he lives in a state where there are open carry laws so i would assume that he probably has weapons personally, therefore he should be well trained in gun safety protocols. Being on a set makes no difference. If you are handed a gun you follow your NSP's (normal safety precautions). It was the very first thing I was taught when i was an armed forces cadet in my teens, it doesn't matter who hands you the gun, you check it yourself, you never point it at something you do not intend to shoot even if you have checked and cleared your weapon. You can't tell me that every armourer and weapons expert that Alec Baldwin has ever worked with failed to teach him basic gun safety, if they didn't then the entirety of hollywood armourers and weapons experts need firing and retraining, and every actor needs to undergo weapons handling proficiency testing prior to being offered a role where they are expected to handle even a prop weapon. I honestly don't think he intentionally fired the weapon, i certainly don't think he intended to hurt let alone kill someone, but here we are, he was the one in control of the weapon at the time, he pointed towards where people were standing and he shot two people, killing one. He was also the producer of the movie, meaning HE was ultimately the person responsible for everyones safety on set, HE was the one responsible for hiring an under qualified armourer, HE refused the training. So yes HE is guilty of unintentional manslaughter. Just like Hannah was, SHE was the neglectful in her job, SHE didn't check and remove every slightly suspicious round, SHE let others handle the weapons and the rounds, SHE did not make sure the weapons and rounds were ALWAYS either in her possession or locked away with her being the only one able to access them, so although she didn't fire the weapon, she didn't point it at anyone, she was however responsible for live rounds being missed, live rounds being loaded, and responsible for handing a loaded weapon to Alec. So BOTH are guilty. There is no excuse.
Yes Alec Baldwin is known to be a jerk in the past. Whether Alec Baldwin is a lair or not, he is part responsible for the Rust Shooting because he was holding the gun and pulled or touched the trigger for it to go off and Hannah the Armourer was more responsible for the shooting too and in prison now.
@reneearnett8761 I know and that was right thing to do cause she brought live rounds to set put it in the gun she's definitely guilty but Alex relied on her to keep the guns safe not a hard job to leave ur dads live rounds at home is it..
One thing about these movie sets is that a camera is always rolling so where is the footage? If they were just rehearsing then what was the purpose of pulling the hammer back while his finger is on the trigger?
This is ridiculous. He's an actor. Obviously, assuming there wouldn't even be live rounds on set, let alone in the gun. The armor is 💯 at fault. She failed to do the most important job, the only job she had, her job...
Seth Kenny and his girlfriend Sarah Zachery started destroying the ammo after the shooting and took ammo out of Baldwins gun but they were given immunity from any charges.
This case is simple: there are no separate laws that govern Hollywood behavior no matter how many pretend rules they make up for themselves. The laws of the state of New Mexico apply here. He pointed a real gun at someone without checking the gun to see if it was loaded, then by his own admission, he "cocked the gun". He denies pulling the trigger, but that claim has been disproven. So, he should be judged for his actions under the laws of the state of New Mexico.
@Gabriel-hf1yy , Yes, exactly. I would never accept someone's word that a firearm was unloaded and then point it at someone. That's willful negligence.
@Gabriel-hf1yy , Just because he pretends for a living does not make him a pretend person. He is still subject to the laws of this land, just like the rest of us. He deserves a fair trial, and then we will see what happens.
@@baker_canner he is not responsible for her death the person that brought the live rounds and put them in the gun is and she's in prison so why should he go prison he's paying lots of lawsuits that should be enough...
Cannot stand Alec Baldwin's arrogance, he seems to have moved on pretty quickly after Halyna's death, his constant denial of firing that gun and now he and his fake wife who pretends to be from Spain are going to be on a reality show. You'd think he would have some decency and not be a part of it till his trial was over, but he probably needs to pay for lawyering up with attys. If Hannah has to do time so should he, he fired that gun!
Yep he and Sarah Zachery were given immunity from any charges and their is a video with Seth Kenny and Sarah Z with the new Mexico police joking about how Seth put 666 on the bottom of all the live rounds he brought to set.
@pamelamls no she wasn't she was the camera lady she needed a shot of the gun close up of different angles I don't state things if I'm not sure of what I'm saying
It must be nice to be a SAG card holder who avoids all basic tenants of gun safety and uses his revolver like it's a laser pointer while lecturing me about gun control.
He was practicing a scene. It called for him to pull the gun out from under the coat, crossing from left to center. He was supposed to pull the hammer back, cocking the gun at the same time. His story is that when he cocked the gun, it went off.
@@Sunshine22896 I agree. But, someone has to pay for her death. 18 months, for Hannah is ridiculous. He's definitely civilly responsible, if not criminally.
22:33 WTAF why was there a gun just laying on the ground??? That just proves that Hannah was neglectful in her duties as armourer on set. There should NEVER have been a gun laying around let alone with a child on set!!
"Deciding to switch judges"? Yeah, that's how it works, Hannah. "I wonder if she's having trouble at home why she's so grouchy". Yeah, mom, judge didn't convict your baby girl, jury did. Buncha idiots.
I am bewildered why Court TV brings on legal analysts for a trial about guns and manslaughter who a) don’t know the manslaughter statutes in New Mexico and b) cannot articulate the ultimate issue with respect to the negligent use of a firearm causing death. The negligent use of a firearm creates criminal responsibility whenever the actor points a gun at another human being then pulls the trigger resulting in death. There are no legal excuses for this type of murder. It is similar to strict liability where only actus reus has to be proven. The state of mind of the actor does not matter and neither does any assumptions about whether the gun was “cold” because ALL citizens are required to treat every gun as if it is loaded and never point a gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy
@@ducciwucci it’s meant to help Court TV live up to the standards it should have to deliver excellent legal analyst from competent and experienced legal minds. When incompetent legal minds pollute the jury pool with bad legal analysis because they don’t know the law they are doing more harm than good
Because it was handed to him by a firearms expert, and there weren’t even supposed to be live rounds on the set. As an actor, I would imagine you would think that everything given to you (supposedly deemed safe by two other people) is not capable of doing damage.
Do you inspect your car before driving it when you pick it up from your mechanic? Do you make sure that the professional you hired to do a job, did it correctly and your vehicle is safe?
I sure hope he does the same amount of prison time I'd do or anyone else without his recognition. He has been well trained for safe firearms use over the past few decades and he knew better than to take aim (call it what it was and stop trying to make it sound like an harmless act of pointing) at this lady, manipulate the arms action, pull the trigger. He broke far too many safety rules to claim it wasn't his fault as it most certainly was his fault! If someone else would have perpetuated this act they'd still be sitting in jail waiting for trial.
@@onelifedontwasteit8568 I actually shouldn't be posting my opinions due to my bias, but my concern has been the pickings of a soft fan based jury. His charges are involuntary manslaughter, but probably should be voluntary IMO. Regardless I don't know for sure how the state would decide charges depending on an individuals knowledge base, but being an arms and ammunition expert I may for example be charged with second degree...IDK. There's a lot of things that were overlooked in the Reed trial due to lack of knowledge or they simply thought it irrelevant, but if a high profile person were on trial (O.J. comes to mind) I'd have thought they would have researched things more.
Hanna needs to shut up and let Halyna's family heal from her death. Every time she puts out a statement from jail, she rips open their scabs and nothing good will come from Hanna's family or lawyer making a statement. She needs to stfu, do her time then get back home to her family .... she's lucky that that's in her future bc its not for Halyna!
I'm still extremely shocked that there hardly is any discussion about the discruntled crew that quit and left that morning. Here is, from what I understand, some crew members who were extremely, extremely dissatsified ie., mad, and pissed and who complained about safety issues, most notably about stuff like this happening on set Then they all quit, and hours after they leave, the exact thing they complained about, happens. It is like an employee complaining about wet floors in the bathroom and that people could get hurt. But his boss says stop complaining and we are not going to pay you extra hours to come clean up wet floors cus its no big deal. Then the employee quits and as he goes out, he pours water all over the floor to prove his point. One of those crew memmbers could so easily have just planted the real bullets in. Maybe not put it in the gun (wouldn't be out of the question) but mixed in real bullets with the dummies, and they did it in spite. WHY was this scenario ever not seriously looked at? That crew was very disgruntled over safety issues pertaining to weapons, and then they quit, rolled out, and next we know, this happens.
Did Alec Baldwin undergo a background check, complete a gun safety course class to buy or have a gun? Because he should have known. You never pointed a gun at a person. If he did take a class , this is one of the things that talk about Besafe with a gun.
I didn't know it wasn't in the script for him to point the gun at her. In any case if it's anything like the airline industry there are so few accidental gunshot deaths that it's very safe to be playing make-believe with weapons. So get all your convictions cuz that's what you do Let It Go doesn't bring back lives
Regardless, if Helena wasn’t the one then it would of been someone else that would of been taken from this life. This film was bound to go down the grave due to impulsivity. Idiots.
Baldwin has strangely tiny hands with stumpy little fingers. I"ve always thought a person's hands reflect something of their nature. Make of that what you will ....
Was the accidental discharge preventable ?? Yes. There is video evidence of Baldwin pointing his gun directly at people and firing blanks. Baldwin was careless and wreckless with his firearm
@@RoseGrace100 I can see why you say that but I'm not bothered by it. Coincidentally, publicly criticizing people also classifies as "drama". Just saying.
@@lisabrightly”just saying” is the latest overused childish catch phrase. Additionally, not voicing an opinion on these hosts is more childishness. How else will the producers know if people like the hosts. I think you should go to the library and learn a few things and distance yourself from learning from Court TV.
@@RoseGrace100 you're very defensive there Grace. I sense a lot of drama from you. I'm guessing you don't like the host because she reminds you of yourself.
He was the producer, he pointed gun, pulled trigger and shot the gun when it was not even in the script! He was in charge of safety, he is responsible!
Justice pour la famille de la défunte mère, fille et épouse, qui avait encore tant de vie devant elle. De dire que d’entendre « cold » peut se substituer à la sécurité, lors d’une scène qui nécessite une véritable arme, c’est de nous prendre tous pour des idiots.
If I was Alec’s lawyer….. All I’d do is show the 20 minute Clip from Clint Eastwood’s movie ‘The Gauntlet’…..where hundreds of actors (cops, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, teachers, grannies, gardeners, dentists, priests, nuns, cooks, clowns, FBI, CIA, politicians, etc) are shooting the SH!T out of that poor bus. And then ask for all ‘THOSE’ actors to come forward and bring their legal, signed-off paperwork showing that they checked each and every gun and shook each and every bullet! Then….I’d move on to the scene in the GodFather where poor Sonny (James Caan) gets blasted a million times. SAME QUESTION. Lastly….I’d close with Warren Beatty & Faye Dunaway’s 10 minute lead-sucking, death-dancing in ‘Bonnie & Clyde’! SAME QUESTION. [For all you ‘it’s-a-gun!’ idiots….go ask Spielberg, Dreyfuss, Scheider & Shaw if they personally pushed on each Shark Tooth to see if indeed they all were plastic!]
lol that has nothing to do with the fact that Baldwin had no muzzle discipline. He pointed it at crew members and pulled the trigger. He recklessly ignored safety protocols
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@@North_West1ditto it’s always nice when they’re there. ❤
Answer this: Why is it necessary to have a real gun on set? Or have a real gun with a barrel that’s been filled, no longer hollow. Why use any rounds, we have sound effects.
Doesn’t look as authentic. You can tell from a mile away special effects vs real gun shooting a blank
I agree. Everything in the movies is EASY to re-create. NO REAL GUNS ON SET
Low budget movie. Alec was cheap on safety as well. Real gun is just cheaper. Also inexperienced armorer.
I’m calling bullshit on this comment. When a movie uses fake crap , you can tell. And the lady in the video says there is no reason to point it at anyone , I’m sure that would make a great movie to watch. 😂😂😂😂. This was Hanna’s job. She failed. End of story.
Yeah, but how's it his fault? It's a workplace injury that caused death
That happens on construction sites all the time
Hannah was found guilty of bringing the live round. I see a lot of questions about who was responsible. Hannah was pictured with the live rounds before movie production began. She was responsible for checking every gun, every time. She was found guilty of being criminally responsible for the live round.
Well, the 18 months from a judge means: “I know what really happened, Hannah, but I have to give you the minimum 18 *months you’d get ten times more…”
My question is why were there live rounds even brought to the set ?????
She's in prison so there's your answer.
@libertyna933 so how was Alec suppose to know they were live?
While tragic and easy to focus on, it honestly doesn't matter. After watching the case I can say without a doubt if someone more competent and cared about safety was in her position (even if there were live rounds on set) the safety precautions she was supposed to take would have prevented the gun with live rounds from making it to anyone who might have pulled the trigger. We like to focus on the live rounds because you are right, they should not have been on site, but like who cares. If the armorer literally does their job it shouldn't matter.
@@valeriegoberla1he is supposed to rattle them like she is supposed to also...hence double check by two people
Hannah did! There were live rounds in her hotel room.
The real big issue is the live round. How was a live round able to be there at all?
No, the "real big issue" is that he disavowed any and all tenants of gun safety while using the revolver like it was a laser pointer and telling me that I should be forced to endure gun control as a private citizen.
@@YUMLiberalTears👍let's not forget Baldwin handled weapons for years in his movie career.
@@YUMLiberalTears No. You're as misguided as the next poster (and considerably less intelligent, but let's let that lie). The real "big issue" is the presence of live ammunition on a set where it wasn't necessary.
Exactly who was the one that gave her the real bullets if it wasn't Baldwin who then
The supplier may have mixed them. They showed his storage space during the first trial. But regardless Baldwin knew that he should never point a gun directly at someone live round or not!
They said the same after Brendan Lee. More protocols wont help. How about ZERO tolerance for live rounds?..
Just a thought!!!
Uhhhhh they don’t tolerate live rounds.
I can't stand Alec Baldwin. But I don't think that he's guilty of involuntary manslaughter because he held the gun.
I believe he's GUILTY of MANSLAUGHTER because he was the PRODUCER of the film, and as an experienced actor, witnessed multiple mistakes by the armorer and did NOTHING about it. He allowed an unsafe workspace.
I agree 100%! If a boss willfully ignored someone in the most important safety position at a job, why shouldn't they be held responsible for that? As a producer he created an unsafe work environment. I think they were really focused on the wrong stuff during this conversation, his ability to prevent the tragedy before it got to the shooting in the first place is what they should focus on.
Yes 100%!
He's not guilty because her merely held the gun. He's guilty because he did not check the gun, then directly pointed it, then pulled the trigger.
@redman0027 but how can he do lots of jobs at the same time he hired people to do these jobs if she hadn't brought live rounds on set it wouldn't be a problem...
@@asherhouseman6838it's not his job he hired her to make guns safe...
Who saved money as a result of the constant rushing and ignoring safety protocols on the set? Was it the armorer or the producers?
@@gnosticnight I think it’s the producers. They are paying people by the day and there are union rules about how long you can have people working.
BOTH ARE GUILTY
The armorer had one job. Now whether she was a qualified hire or a cheap hire….
The fact that he wont even admit to pulling the trigger tells me all that I need to know about him.
He admitted it at 10:19
@dannyb3976 wtf are you talkin about. I don't care about that case. I was pointing it out to the person who posted W*erdo
@@troofball4 he's backtracking now because his official position is "the gun went off" on its own!
@dannyb3976 go take your Prozac loser
Alec said "I shoot the gun"
At the end of the day if you're firing the gun then you are responsible for checking it !
Yes! I am a performer and I will double check a prop even if it’s something as simple as “I need to open this little box onstage, let me make sure it’s easy to open”
@malloryharding882 yip learned that lesson. Was driving g a hay truck towing a loader. My workmate hooked the loader up and as we're doing down the road the loader came off and if there was a car coming it would have killed someone. But it was my fault cause I didn't check the connection cause I was driving.
Yes but when there's someone there specifically for that job, she's more culpable. Especially when she's the one who brought live rounds to the set. If she got 18 months, he should get 6.
the telephone call of Hannah and the paralegal sounds like two thirteen year olds who've just been given detention! How unprofessional and unbecoming of a member of the legal profession to use such foul language and speak so flippantly after a woman has lost her life! No wonder her client is in jail!
I’m confused
Wasn’t that her mother???
But still you’re right… so immature still
Mom sounds like an enabler
Hannah should of got 10 years , she a immature stupid woman , had not a care in the world that a life was lost and left behind a son and a husband she is heartless
@kimward5746 First phone call was the paralegal. 2nd phone call was her mom. Crazy stuff!
And to say "I don't trust that she's not recording these calls because they're not attorney calls." Ding, ding, ding, dummy. How do you as a paralegal not know that ALL non-attorney calls are recorded?
All of the beeping was giving me a headache lmao.
How about the rule: You never trust another person to check your gun for you. Would you drive your car into a busy intersection at the direction of someone else in your car, or or would you look at what is going on in the intersection for yourself. Gun checks, especially with a simple revolver, are quick and easy to do. You don't need to be a 'gun expert' to do it. When I do laundry or make toast at home I don't consider myself a 'washing machine and toaster expert'..
I keep saying would Alec have put that gun to his own head and not checked it first ??? Would he ???
Is it really the quick? A colt single action requires the door to open and pull out each round after rotating the cylinder. Dummy rounds can only be identified by shaking.
@@JimmySmash87 , you don't have to pull out each round to identify a live round. As you rotate the cylinder you can see the undented primer of a live round. Or you can do what George Clooney does and fire the revolver into the ground six times to be sure.
Everyone involved played a part that resulted in this death. Some more than others but there’s plenty of fault to go around.
So 6mins in he says ' I assumed it was a cold gun' ....case closed. He lies later then saying he was told by two different people it was cold. Lies lies lies. He says assumes again a second time one min later. He told so many lies his word is dirt
It seems Hannah Gutierrez is just a teenager, how the hell she got this job? Of savety in the set? Maybe her family helped her to get this position? Maybe her father? She'sclearly not capable of such responsability...
Well, Baldwin was on a tight budget &cleary hired her because she was cheaper….he knew they were shooting live rounds that’s why a lot of staff had walked out that morning before it happened
@@Allynavarro2435 he new about live rounds? Well that's the prosecutor's job to prove it... He said he didn't.
Her father got her the job. He had also worked as an armorer in movies.
Hypothetical: If the scene they were shooting when the incident occurred had been a suicide scene instead, would Alec have checked the gun before pointing it at himself?
Apples and oranges. It wasn't a Russian Roulette scene so dosen't apply at all. Also what about the individual who provided and supplied all the rounds why aren't they also being held legally responsible for allowing live rounds mixed in with the blank rounds? It was a terrible accident and a fluke and should be adjudicated as an accidental shooting.
Yes he would
I definitely haven’t seen this comment on every single video related to this trial being presented as if it’s never been said before
Haha…exactly.
@dannyb3976 Your condescending attitude is duly noted and I think it was accidental or involuntary manslaughter. She is appealing her conviction and says she didn't know there were live rounds mixed in.
Alec Baldwin knows the protocols for weapons, his father taught him when he was younger, he has worked with many many armourers and weapons over the years of his acting career, plus he lives in a state where there are open carry laws so i would assume that he probably has weapons personally, therefore he should be well trained in gun safety protocols. Being on a set makes no difference. If you are handed a gun you follow your NSP's (normal safety precautions). It was the very first thing I was taught when i was an armed forces cadet in my teens, it doesn't matter who hands you the gun, you check it yourself, you never point it at something you do not intend to shoot even if you have checked and cleared your weapon.
You can't tell me that every armourer and weapons expert that Alec Baldwin has ever worked with failed to teach him basic gun safety, if they didn't then the entirety of hollywood armourers and weapons experts need firing and retraining, and every actor needs to undergo weapons handling proficiency testing prior to being offered a role where they are expected to handle even a prop weapon.
I honestly don't think he intentionally fired the weapon, i certainly don't think he intended to hurt let alone kill someone, but here we are, he was the one in control of the weapon at the time, he pointed towards where people were standing and he shot two people, killing one. He was also the producer of the movie, meaning HE was ultimately the person responsible for everyones safety on set, HE was the one responsible for hiring an under qualified armourer, HE refused the training. So yes HE is guilty of unintentional manslaughter.
Just like Hannah was, SHE was the neglectful in her job, SHE didn't check and remove every slightly suspicious round, SHE let others handle the weapons and the rounds, SHE did not make sure the weapons and rounds were ALWAYS either in her possession or locked away with her being the only one able to access them, so although she didn't fire the weapon, she didn't point it at anyone, she was however responsible for live rounds being missed, live rounds being loaded, and responsible for handing a loaded weapon to Alec.
So BOTH are guilty. There is no excuse.
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Great Question Claudia If Baldwin Would Of Had Someone Point It To His Head In A Scene Would He Have Checked The Gun, Yes Is My Guess!
YES HE WOULD !!
lol
He's such a liar
Yes Alec Baldwin is known to be a jerk in the past. Whether Alec Baldwin is a lair or not, he is part responsible for the Rust Shooting because he was holding the gun and pulled or touched the trigger for it to go off and Hannah the Armourer was more responsible for the shooting too and in prison now.
@@purplebutterfly5366it was the armourer responsibility to keep guns safe period
@@Gabriel-hf1yyyes they already charged someone that was in charge with this charge
@reneearnett8761 I know and that was right thing to do cause she brought live rounds to set put it in the gun she's definitely guilty but Alex relied on her to keep the guns safe not a hard job to leave ur dads live rounds at home is it..
@dannyb3976 The facts are out there
I would say there was some sort of neglince on his behalf.
"pointing the gun" and...pulling the trigger.
Assumption is the mother of all F ups. Fact.
One thing about these movie sets is that a camera is always rolling so where is the footage? If they were just rehearsing then what was the purpose of pulling the hammer back while his finger is on the trigger?
Camera crew walked off that morning.
I thought Hutchins was behind the camera when she was taken down by Alec.
@@thinkingimpaired5663That doesn’t matter what matters is seeing where his finger was when the gun went off
He pulled the trigger simple as that 😢❤!!!@@mountainman4969
The film was shown in the court. His finger was on the trigger inside the trigger guard.
This is ridiculous.
He's an actor.
Obviously, assuming there wouldn't even be live rounds on set, let alone in the gun.
The armor is 💯 at fault. She failed to do the most important job, the only job she had, her job...
Thank You so much Julie for keeping us up to date!
BALDWIN SAID HE DIDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
Hope they make an example of this Baldwin character.
How did the live rounds get on set?
Seth Kenny and his girlfriend Sarah Zachery started destroying the ammo after the shooting and took ammo out of Baldwins gun but they were given immunity from any charges.
This case is simple: there are no separate laws that govern Hollywood behavior no matter how many pretend rules they make up for themselves. The laws of the state of New Mexico apply here. He pointed a real gun at someone without checking the gun to see if it was loaded, then by his own admission, he "cocked the gun". He denies pulling the trigger, but that claim has been disproven. So, he should be judged for his actions under the laws of the state of New Mexico.
So he hired a armorer and still have to do the job himself lol
@Gabriel-hf1yy , Yes, exactly. I would never accept someone's word that a firearm was unloaded and then point it at someone. That's willful negligence.
@@baker_canner he's a actor not real life ffs
@Gabriel-hf1yy , Just because he pretends for a living does not make him a pretend person. He is still subject to the laws of this land, just like the rest of us. He deserves a fair trial, and then we will see what happens.
@@baker_canner he is not responsible for her death the person that brought the live rounds and put them in the gun is and she's in prison so why should he go prison he's paying lots of lawsuits that should be enough...
Cannot stand Alec Baldwin's arrogance, he seems to have moved on pretty quickly after Halyna's death, his constant denial of firing that gun and now he and his fake wife who pretends to be from Spain are going to be on a reality show. You'd think he would have some decency and not be a part of it till his trial was over, but he probably needs to pay for lawyering up with attys. If Hannah has to do time so should he, he fired that gun!
Folks - all calls in prison are listen to and taped. Only thing sacred is conversation with attorneys.
You’re right Julie. Interesting to look at the arms supplier.
Yep he and Sarah Zachery were given immunity from any charges and their is a video with Seth Kenny and Sarah Z with the new Mexico police joking about how Seth put 666 on the bottom of all the live rounds he brought to set.
Hannah's mother sounded intoxicated.
Wow! Someone really dolled miss Guitierrez up before court.
Alec cant recall in this interview who handed him the gun. Why did he point it directly at Haylena.
She asked him to it was also in the script
@@Gabriel-hf1yy They weren't even in a scene, so yeah, that never happened.
@@Gabriel-hf1yyNo, it wasn't in the script. The woman he shot and killed was not an actress. She was one of the producers.
@pamelamls no she wasn't she was the camera lady she needed a shot of the gun close up of different angles I don't state things if I'm not sure of what I'm saying
@YUMLiberalTears yes it did I watched everything of this case and hannah trial I know the facts pity u don't find out before commenting
It must be nice to be a SAG card holder who avoids all basic tenants of gun safety and uses his revolver like it's a laser pointer while lecturing me about gun control.
Why did Alec actually aim the weapon in Hutchins direction in the first place? Alec pulled the trigger, nobody else is responsible.
👍And the rehearsal didn't call for it.
He was practicing a scene. It called for him to pull the gun out from under the coat, crossing from left to center. He was supposed to pull the hammer back, cocking the gun at the same time. His story is that when he cocked the gun, it went off.
@@blackcoffee. That, I dunno 🤷🏽
🤦♀️ the one responsible is in jail
@@Sunshine22896 I agree. But, someone has to pay for her death. 18 months, for Hannah is ridiculous.
He's definitely civilly responsible, if not criminally.
Alec Baldwin and Hannah Gutierrez are both guilty period!
22:33 WTAF why was there a gun just laying on the ground??? That just proves that Hannah was neglectful in her duties as armourer on set. There should NEVER have been a gun laying around let alone with a child on set!!
Which is why Hannah is in prison
At the end of the day, he killed her . He should be in jail if it was anyone else they'd be in jail
Intentions matter.
How ridiculous
@@Gabriel-hf1yy The only thing ridiculous is how you treat accountability.
He will be goin to jail, 18 months maximum. I find it hard to find how he’s innocent ?
Layers of safety. Everyone needs to be responsible for the safety. Multiple layers to prevent incidents. (Swiss cheese safety model)
I loved that segment (swiss cheese). That guy did a really good job of explaining things and looking at the situation in context.
"Deciding to switch judges"? Yeah, that's how it works, Hannah. "I wonder if she's having trouble at home why she's so grouchy". Yeah, mom, judge didn't convict your baby girl, jury did. Buncha idiots.
I am bewildered why Court TV brings on legal analysts for a trial about guns and manslaughter who a) don’t know the manslaughter statutes in New Mexico and b) cannot articulate the ultimate issue with respect to the negligent use of a firearm causing death. The negligent use of a firearm creates criminal responsibility whenever the actor points a gun at another human being then pulls the trigger resulting in death. There are no legal excuses for this type of murder. It is similar to strict liability where only actus reus has to be proven. The state of mind of the actor does not matter and neither does any assumptions about whether the gun was “cold” because ALL citizens are required to treat every gun as if it is loaded and never point a gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy
@@wygantsh why are you constantly commenting stuff like this? just don't watch if you're so unhappy with their coverage
@@ducciwucci it’s meant to help Court TV live up to the standards it should have to deliver excellent legal analyst from competent and experienced legal minds. When incompetent legal minds pollute the jury pool with bad legal analysis because they don’t know the law they are doing more harm than good
Real Bullets And Wood Bullets Are Not The Same, Why Didn't Baldwin Inspect The Gun Before Putting It In The Holster?
Because it was handed to him by a firearms expert, and there weren’t even supposed to be live rounds on the set. As an actor, I would imagine you would think that everything given to you (supposedly deemed safe by two other people) is not capable of doing damage.
@@rachela1496 It was handed to him by a man who appears not to understand how cap guns work,
@@gnosticnight obviously neither of the “experts” were qualified to have those jobs.
Do you inspect your car before driving it when you pick it up from your mechanic? Do you make sure that the professional you hired to do a job, did it correctly and your vehicle is safe?
@@trickortrump3292 exactly
Helena RIP
I’m so shocked this happened. How did a live bullet get in there
The same way the blanks did.
With all the Spaghetti Westerns and John Wayne movies, did he ever kill anyone on the set?
I sure hope he does the same amount of prison time I'd do or anyone else without his recognition. He has been well trained for safe firearms use over the past few decades and he knew better than to take aim (call it what it was and stop trying to make it sound like an harmless act of pointing) at this lady, manipulate the arms action, pull the trigger. He broke far too many safety rules to claim it wasn't his fault as it most certainly was his fault! If someone else would have perpetuated this act they'd still be sitting in jail waiting for trial.
He’ll do the same time you would if convicted of the charges brought against him. He’s not up on murder charges.
@@onelifedontwasteit8568 I actually shouldn't be posting my opinions due to my bias, but my concern has been the pickings of a soft fan based jury. His charges are involuntary manslaughter, but probably should be voluntary IMO. Regardless I don't know for sure how the state would decide charges depending on an individuals knowledge base, but being an arms and ammunition expert I may for example be charged with second degree...IDK. There's a lot of things that were overlooked in the Reed trial due to lack of knowledge or they simply thought it irrelevant, but if a high profile person were on trial (O.J. comes to mind) I'd have thought they would have researched things more.
Throw him under the jail already please
He’s not up on murder charges and folks don’t do real time in jail.
Hanna needs to shut up and let Halyna's family heal from her death. Every time she puts out a statement from jail, she rips open their scabs and nothing good will come from Hanna's family or lawyer making a statement. She needs to stfu, do her time then get back home to her family .... she's lucky that that's in her future bc its not for Halyna!
__not to mention
Who wants to see a western?
He should have knew better to NOT talk to police before having a lawyer with u!
Or known
I will always wonder about sabotage, motivated by labor disputes, being part of the puzzle.
At the end of the day this was Hannah’s job. Period. She failed.
they are both responsible.
I'm still extremely shocked that there hardly is any discussion about the discruntled crew that quit and left that morning. Here is, from what I understand, some crew members who were extremely, extremely dissatsified ie., mad, and pissed and who complained about safety issues, most notably about stuff like this happening on set
Then they all quit, and hours after they leave, the exact thing they complained about, happens.
It is like an employee complaining about wet floors in the bathroom and that people could get hurt. But his boss says stop complaining and we are not going to pay you extra hours to come clean up wet floors cus its no big deal. Then the employee quits and as he goes out, he pours water all over the floor to prove his point.
One of those crew memmbers could so easily have just planted the real bullets in. Maybe not put it in the gun (wouldn't be out of the question) but mixed in real bullets with the dummies, and they did it in spite. WHY was this scenario ever not seriously looked at? That crew was very disgruntled over safety issues pertaining to weapons, and then they quit, rolled out, and next we know, this happens.
The state has shown the real bullets we’re on set before any crew were disgruntled
A Murderer 👿
Not even the charge
Did Alec Baldwin undergo a background check, complete a gun safety course class to buy or have a gun? Because he should have known. You never pointed a gun at a person. If he did take a class , this is one of the things that talk about Besafe with a gun.
Actors are given firearm safety training. He's plenty familiar with gun safety.
Gee I don’t know maybe I’ll google it
Not buying it. Not buying it not buying it.
h3es acting right now i hope you all understand that
I didn't know it wasn't in the script for him to point the gun at her. In any case if it's anything like the airline industry there are so few accidental gunshot deaths that it's very safe to be playing make-believe with weapons. So get all your convictions cuz that's what you do Let It Go doesn't bring back lives
Me either til ur comment lol
No, it was not part of the script to point the gun at her. The woman he shot and killed was not an actress. She was one of the producers.
Regardless, if Helena wasn’t the one then it would of been someone else that would of been taken from this life. This film was bound to go down the grave due to impulsivity. Idiots.
By assuming...baldwin took full responsibility for the gun
It was clearly Agent 47 that brought the live ammo on the set for a contract.
Baldwin has strangely tiny hands with stumpy little fingers. I"ve always thought a person's hands reflect something of their nature. Make of that what you will ....
Was the accidental discharge preventable ?? Yes. There is video evidence of Baldwin pointing his gun directly at people and firing blanks. Baldwin was careless and wreckless with his firearm
Can’t stand this Court TV woman. Ugh. Get someone else.
I love her 🤷🏿♀️
@@lisabrightlytoo fake and high drama.
@@RoseGrace100 I can see why you say that but I'm not bothered by it. Coincidentally, publicly criticizing people also classifies as "drama". Just saying.
@@lisabrightly”just saying” is the latest overused childish catch phrase. Additionally, not voicing an opinion on these hosts is more childishness. How else will the producers know if people like the hosts. I think you should go to the library and learn a few things and distance yourself from learning from Court TV.
@@RoseGrace100 you're very defensive there Grace. I sense a lot of drama from you. I'm guessing you don't like the host because she reminds you of yourself.
Court tv deleting my comments regarding Donald Trump.
I see.
I’m confused at why they are charging him with anything criminal.
Because he shot and killed a woman.
Because he shot and killed a womam
It’s a movie about people shooting each other. How can you blame him for acting? No, this will not get a guilty verdict.
Not one word about concern for Helena's parents, husband, son and friends and how devastated they must be. My heart goes out to them.
Is this trial going to be televised?
18 months your lucky just do the time and do not appeal you could get more time you were incompetent in your job so own it do the time and it’s done
"We never want this to happen again" *Jon Erik Hexum and Brandon Lee have entered the chat *
He was the producer, he pointed gun, pulled trigger and shot the gun when it was not even in the script! He was in charge of safety, he is responsible!
Why live bullets???? She has alot to answer for...
I wonder if the scene called for AB to put the gun to his head and fire I would bet he would check the gun
BOTH BALDWIN AND GUTIERREZ ARE RESPONSIBLE
He was the so called Captain of that ship. It happened under his watch, he is responsible for…
They should’ve check the bullet for finger prints
Why? We know who loaded the gun. Ughhhh google much?
I hope to God they show these phone calls in Court at Alec’s trial and my question why didn’t anyone show these phone calls at Hannah’s trial?
It common sense, which people today don’t have sad
What is the issue here… i get someone died. But he didn’t load it, let alone a live round… madness
Listening to Alex talking to cops shows what a pompous overbearing wind bag he is … he utter disregard for his actions in this case is very telling
Hannah is doing her time. Leave her out of this.
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19:36 I see Baldwins hair like a soft-serve ice cream cone
She was killed. Do we technically need a killer then? How much jail could he get being labled the killer
Baldin pointed and fired the gun ! Nuff said.
There’s another post out there that talked about him being producer in ne only. Someone else was actually the producer. I’m wonder if that is so.
There are lots of producers on the Rust film. He was one of them.
A 2 lb trigger sure doesn't need to be on a movie set...
Mr. Baldwin had the last clear chance to prevent the accident.
what has hannah calls got to do with the public
The only thing I can think of … is this wonderful woman, who has lost her life in a total senseless way. Please, give Halyna some kind of justice. 💔
I don’t believe Hannah..
Justice pour la famille de la défunte mère, fille et épouse, qui avait encore tant de vie devant elle.
De dire que d’entendre « cold » peut se substituer à la sécurité, lors d’une scène qui nécessite une véritable arme, c’est de nous prendre tous pour des idiots.
How was he supposed to check it; he’s not a gun expert..
He's still supposed to use basic gun safety in handling the gun. That means not pointing it at crew and pulling the trigger.
@@Kay__Tee yes that is right.
If I was Alec’s lawyer…..
All I’d do is show the 20 minute Clip from Clint Eastwood’s movie ‘The Gauntlet’…..where hundreds of actors (cops, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, teachers, grannies, gardeners, dentists, priests, nuns, cooks, clowns, FBI, CIA, politicians, etc) are shooting the SH!T out of that poor bus.
And then ask for all ‘THOSE’ actors to come forward and bring their legal, signed-off paperwork showing that they checked each and every gun and shook each and every bullet!
Then….I’d move on to the scene in the GodFather where poor Sonny (James Caan) gets blasted a million times. SAME QUESTION.
Lastly….I’d close with Warren Beatty & Faye Dunaway’s 10 minute lead-sucking, death-dancing in ‘Bonnie & Clyde’! SAME QUESTION.
[For all you ‘it’s-a-gun!’ idiots….go ask Spielberg, Dreyfuss, Scheider & Shaw if they personally pushed on each Shark Tooth to see if indeed they all were plastic!]
lol that has nothing to do with the fact that Baldwin had no muzzle discipline. He pointed it at crew members and pulled the trigger. He recklessly ignored safety protocols
He did it on purpose . They should’ve check the bullet for finger prints
So we know who loaded the gun and she’s doing time Sherlock.
this guy is a liar
No remorse..