An Innocent Airbus Airliner Is Destroyed | Mistaken Identity | Mayday: Air Disaster
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2021
- PART 1 | July 3rd, 1988, Captain Rogers and his crew are engaged in a sea battle with the speedboats that are equipped with machine guns and rocket launchers.
The Aegis Radar picks up the track of an incoming aircraft. The ship's sophisticated weapons system has to decide whether that aircraft is friendly or is attacking the warplane but can't seem to make up its mind. The Vincennes crew grow increasingly convinced that the target is an Iranian fighter masquerading as an airliner. Faced with a loss of his ship, Captain Rogers gives the command to fire and the aircraft is destroyed.
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Season 3 Episode 5 "Mistaken Identity": July 3rd, 1988, Captain Roger and his crew are engaged in a sea battle. The Aegis Radar picks up the track of an incoming aircraft. The Vincennes crew grow increasingly convinced that the target is an Iranian fighter masquerading as an airliner. Captain Roger gives the command to fire and ends up shooting down an innocent Airbus airliner with 290 people on board.
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"Captain Rogers isn't about to make the same mistake."
He's about to make an entirely new one.
Like your mom letting you Dodge the hangar
@@williamhilbert8324 lol, a hangar? Luuuuxury.... (monty python skech)
@@nunyabidness674 I aim to please
@@williamhilbert8324 it's an entirely different type of aiming...altogether
Considering how tragic this probably is (I only just clicked play), I should not have laughed as much as I did.
The production value on these episodes has noticeably improved, i love these reenactments!
it's because they are old lol
You "Love" them??? What does that even mean?
David Carlson, who at the time was the commander of a nearby U.S. vessel, wrote in the U.S. Naval Proceedings that he “wondered aloud in disbelief” as the Vincennes announced her intentions to attack what was clearly a civilian aircraft (2). A skipper of the frigate USS Sides, which monitored the jet's downing, also said "My guess was that the crew of the Vincennes felt a need to prove the viability of Aegis in the Persian Gulf, and that they hankered for an opportunity to show their stuff"
This episode gave me sweaty palms, RIP to the people in that plane.
Yep I flew into this area not long after this happened spooky and worring.
I am have been watching Mayday since i was 7 in 2013! Great show!
This is so sad. All these innocent lives lost for no reason. :(
DUE TO THE GUY DRIVING THE AIRCRAFT. AND HIS HOMEBOYS.
no reason? know treason?
There were no lives on the plane only cadavers , proven fact .
@@mikeloghry9521 just no, no one with any knowledge of that crime is under any illusion as to where the fault lies,100% with the Americans. Plane sending IFF,ascending from Bandar Abbas, NOT descending, US transmitting on wrong frequency. In any event the Vincennes was mike's inside territorial waters and not under attack.
@@onfin3al6 rubbish
they were gonna send out a fighter from a nearby carrier to intercept what they thought was the F-14 but the commander of the carrier scrubbed the mission out of fear that the Vincennes would shoot down a friendly fighter
Really upsetting to know my own country made such a horrendous mistake. The word "mistake" does not do it justice. I had trouble watching all of this.
Go to 2020, Iran did the same thing
The majority of modern militaries have actually done this. Some times more than once
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@@28ebdh3udnav unfortunately they did it killed 182
@@28ebdh3udnav remember when the us dropped nukes in Japan because I do and it was way worse then all of these combined
How is it that these ships cost hundred of millions of dollars yet don't have a simple long range optical telescope for visual confirmation ? The crazy part about this is accidents like this have been going on since radar was introduced and it's still a problem .
I think you underestimate the cost of long range optics. To visually identify an aircraft that is all the way out at radar-horizon, a 'simple' telescope won't cut it. It'd have to be a system significantly larger and heavier than the already heavy and large radar systems. Pair that with the fact that these problems are vanishingly rare, and there is your answer.
@@joelhemphill8005 The plane (Flight 655) was an airbuss a300 which is massively different in profile ,size , engine configuration and contrail from that of a f14.
The USS Vincennes didn't fire missles at max, or medium range but just over 10 miles. To put this in focus a standard set of high end binoculars will allow your average person so see 8-12 miles out. There is no need to see the faces of pilots or read the id numbers off the planes but to simply distinguish an airliner from a f14.
Everyone knows this an is a major reason why the united states paid just under 132 million dollars to settle this.
everyone is balming the crew when the true people at fault is the man that didn't put a radio tuned to air traffic control frequency on a multi-million dollar ship
That is false. The radios were more than capable of tuning to the air traffic control frequencies. They were just never ordered to tune to it.
That’s absurd, there are probably a dozen different frequencies for that airspace and neighboring. The airliner is totally in the wrong for not listening to the emergency frequency in international water during a conflict.
@@rocket535inc this hole situation was shady when it came to the flight and ATC. But we are talking about a region of the world where they believe strongly in martyrism, willing or not.
@@rocket535inc They were tuned to the emergency channel. However, if the Vincennes didn’t use the correct information to identify the airliner, why would the pilots think it’s referring to them? After all, Vincennes was talking about an aircraft that was descending, at a different altitude, and different speed.
@@Channel4029 .. @Kabuki Kitsune .. So you're both assuming a modern destroyer can only transmit/receive on one radio frequency at a time. Guys, my Yeasu handheld amateur radio transceiver can do better than that.
Okay what is happening. Does Wonder own this channel or is a carbon copy being reuploaded only shorter.
These are the guys that actually made the stuff. Wonder is just broadcasting
You planning on reporting them even if they're just being re-uploaded?
I think I prefer wonder I loved when I can watch in one episode and not 2
Wonder is broadcasting Mayday videos but they do it right…they don’t split it into parts the way the Mayday channel does. And Mayday takes so long in between posting part two (and three if they split it into thirds) that you almost have to watch part one again. Or don’t watch any of it until it’s all available. VERY frustrating!
@@sigsin1 yeah after looking into the past day or so you’re right. Little dot has publishing rights and licenses. Which makes sense they are more experienced with media distribution. Also makes sense why “mayday on the move” does such a good job. I feel better now thank you haha
Another one I was looking forward to learning more about after hearing it referenced in other episodes. Wish it had been a full episode though. That would have been a LOT better.
They have the rest of the episode in a part 2
Other episodes you mean Lockerbie Pan Am 103 and MH 17?
Was the captain fully to blame or could it have been the information that came from the Aegis Radar?
As other people here have quite cogently stated, incidents such as these are rarely, if ever, quite that simple. Clearly, the Aegis radar system was a crucial factor in the chain of events. No, we cannot lay the blame entirely with the captain.
The radar
It was the radar and also maybe they got the wrong radio station thingy
captain’s earlier decisions put them in that position of fire on the target or risk getting attacked. But the mistaken identification itself has many factors. As the saying goes, he put the wheels in motion.
the fault lies fully with Iran. If they were not being terrorists and were actually trying to be a peaceful country, then none of this would have happened. They are well known to hide behind civilians and use their deaths as propaganda to further their jihadist goals
I know the situation was somewhat different but I can't help recalling the time the Russians shot down the 747. The time and place were different but the results were the same.
That one is under more scrutiny, saying it isn't for certain the situation was a natural one, by the Civil airline.
No totally different the soviets shot down the Korean Air with their fighter jets who could see that it was a commercial airline
@@dawnbaswell1853 somebody shot down somebody over no communication, both by missle apparently, how is a Korean airline going to make it different?
@@The_Stumbler the soviets were within visual range and could visually identify that it was a civilian aircraft not operated by the military, unlike this situation
@@trarzene that's the whole issue, they had to shoot it down due to no communication from the crew and it was far over restricted air space. The ship had a visible on radar plane, was getting enemy fighter signals from their detection and had the horror of the other ship being hit hard due to inaction. They were forced by protocol. Both the American ship and Russian fighters.
The fact that they praised the crew after this accident is just unbelievable.
The fact you’ve never been on a plane - yes $90/hr - and don’t know how a commercial jet can give 5 different calls is more unbelievable.
@@Lybrel
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
An unknown contact intermittently showing a hostile signature from a known hostile region approaching a Military Vessel engaged in combat without once identifying or replying to any radio contact. As far as I'm concerned, anyone would consider that a threat. The crew responded the best way they could with the information they had.
It’s unfortunate but I think the crew did exactly as they were trained to do. I would have done the same.
@@richardbaker_0086
Ditto.
WHO REMEMBERED HOW THE NEWS COVERED THIS. THEY TRIED EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO SHIFT BLAME. THEY BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THE BODIES WERE NAKED AND HAD BROKEN BONES.
what? i never saw that . what did they mean
@@bcrides6717 When bodies fall from the sky the clothes rip off. The bones can break when they hit the water.
Deeply ingrained nationalistic and racist behavior. Classic USA
So the Soviets were the "evil empire" by shooting down Flight 007, but the US just "accidentally" shot down an Iranian airliner.
apples and oranges. In the case of the soviets they were in actual visual range of 007 and still shot down a 747 despite the USAF not using 747s.
Soviets had visual clarification and mad no attempt to contact and warn the liner to clear
Got this video notification as I was on the runway in a plane 🧍🏻♀️
Imagine just chilling on a plane, Everything just casual, but when you look out the window a missile is heading for you directly and then suddenly everything becomes white.
Capt. Will C. Rogers III was awarded Legion of Merit for his Persian Gulf operations which included the 1988 shooting down of an Iranian civilian airliner killing the 290 innocent people on board. SHAME
While the Vincennes shot down Iran Air flight 655, on the pretext of it being "four miles outside of the standard commercial flight path from Bandar Abbas airport in Iran to Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, records show that the Vincennes was actually inside of Iran's territorial waters, not forty miles south (where the ship had been ordered by fleet headquarters to stay) as Rogers and government reports had claimed” (3). Moreover, “Flight 655 was directly inside of its commercial flight path, not four miles outside of it--as Rogers and the Vincennes crew also claimed.” (3)
Right on time for my NAP! 🛌 😁😎💯
who tf sent a plane into a war-infested sky and sea? and why tf don't they have a radio? why tf are we shooting random planes in the sky? wtf this was so avoidable.
Well...there was a sea battle going on. There was no air battle.
Lockerbie accident was the after effect of this crash
Now i have to wait until Wednesday again!- waaaaaaaaaa :(
6:32 General Quarters General Quarters all hands man your battle stations
Great videos! 1 small thing i'd request, can you add some subtitles please??? That would be great, thanks!
As horrible as this incident was, and even I agree the “praising the crew” was obscured, however this incident end up saving more potential lives in future. Just unfortunately blood gets spilled in the past for a safer future.
R.I.P to the victims
Until human blood is spilt, people will never take action.
Warmonger pablum.
omg an intelligent comment (RIP :( )
While I understand that this was a tragedy caused by a series of unfortunate events... the fact still remains that the crew of the Vincennes were responsible for killing many innocent civilians. My question is, did the American government ever pay compensation to the families of the victims?
Has Iran ever paid compensation to the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians they are responsible for killing with intention? And yes, the US paid substantial compensation to the families.
@@Purplexity-ww8nb Your analogy suffers from faulty logic. You are comparing apples to oranges. Iran is run by a criminal regime which sponsors terrorism. To expect them to pay compensation is somewhat ludicrous. It would be nice, but the expectation is still ludicrous. Regardless, I am happy to hear that the victims' families (not all of whom were Iranian, by the way. Not that that should matter...) received compensation for the tragedy. And let us not forget that this was indeed a tragedy. When any non-combatant is killed it is a tragedy regardless of where it happened or to whom. Loss of human life needlessly is always a tragedy.
"In February 1996, the U.S. agreed to pay Iran US$131.8 million in settlement"
@@Purplexity-ww8nb remember when USA nuked Japan and killed more people
@@yummy9731 I have a question. Has Iran compensated the families of the victims of that Ukrainian airliner that Iran shot down last year?
Oh man, those Ticonderoga class Aegis cruisers were SO ugly with that huge forward superstructure.
Everyone serving on the ship received a medal...
They did nothing wrong, the decisions are valid.
@@anzeg- no they weren't..this was a massive cover-up...the plane was flying in Iranian airspace..the US covered it up by saying they were 4 miles off course, which isnt true
@@CW-rx2js Iran was using civilian aircraft to bomb military targets, like the ship mentioned in this same video, and they used a civilian airport for military operations. They deserve what they got. Cowards.
Hey a new episode!
An innocent airliner? Flip to the people on board, we lost an innocent airplane. 😅😢
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Why wait til Wednesday for part 2?
Flying commercial craft into a war zone isn't a good idea. They don't learn the lesson. Malaysian Flight 17 was shot down over the Ukraine in 2014. There are places with combatants managed with limited command and control with access to very sophisticated weapons against aircraft. In some places the combatants may want many would see as a disaster to bring attention to their power and cause.
And last year, Iran shot down a civilian airliner.
War zone? This is the gulf, it doesn't belong to anyone but gulf countries. Not US armed forces for sure
Well. That’s a tough call. I would say that without absolute PROOF of the passenger being a fighter jet, and some sort of attack initiated, then the boat Captain should NEVER have shot them down. Boils down to the bottom line, the ONE in charge. The Captain. Although it does sound like there could have been a couple others misinterpreting the intentions of the passenger plane.
The passenger plane didn't respond to repeated 121.5 calls. International air rules mandate that any aircraft must have a radio tuned to 121.5. So why didn't they respond?
Only the Iranians would let a civilian airliner take off when folks are lobbing missiles. They did the same thing in 2020 when they shot down a Ukranian airliner. What the heck were they thinking?
R they supposed to take the bus across the ocean?
@@john-zf1yb Maybe they should wait until munitions stop flying to visit cousin Fatima.
@@chrisjames3087 The US should have done a much better job of verifying the true nature of the plane. If Americans had been killed, your answer wouldn't be "oh well, your fault."
There is a lot of stuff in this that is not accurate. I did the same job on the USS Carl Vinson during operation Earnest Will and I have studied the report for years. TIC - PO John Leach and IDS - PO Andrew Anderson were responsible for the misidentification. Anderson made the mistake and Leach - his supervisor - failed to correct it. There are no possible excuses for the absolute incompetent performance of the enlisted personnel. Leach had specific training at a school in San Diego and he couldn't identify a commercial airliner himself of with the help of the two other ships in the link on AAW C&R. It's inexcusable. the redacted incident report has been declassified and is online,
I hope the sharks didn't get sick
Is there a part 2 to this? Ended too suddenly.
There will be in a couple days.
In 1988 the United States was among several countries that had warships patrolling the Straits of Hormuz - between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman - to safeguard the transport of oil. Various incidents, notably an attack on the USS Stark involving Iraq missiles in May 1987, had resulted in a revision to the U.S. ‘rules of engagement’ allowing U.S. ships in the Persian Gulf to undertake more protective measures.
On July 3 1988, the USS Vincennes, [a state-of-the-art US$3 billion Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser equipped with the Aegis combat system - which was the most advanced of it's type at that time and arguably, still is] under the command of Capt. William C. Rogers III, was involved in several skirmishes with Iranian vessels. According to various reports, Capt. Rogers - who had a reputation for aggressive and impulsive behaviour - ignored orders to change course and instead continued to pursue the enemy gunboats.
Against this background, an Iranian Airbus A300 airliner [Iran Air Flight 655], had departed from Bandar Abbas International Airport in Iran, at approximately 10.47am. It was headed to Dubai, United Arab Emirates and carrying 290 passengers and crew - who were on their annual pilgrimage [Hajj] to Islam’s holiest city of Mecca. Crew aboard the USS Vincennes immediately began tracking Iran Air flight 655, which had taken off from Bandar Abbas International Airport - and was used by both military and commercial aircraft.
For the next several minutes, there was confusion aboard the U.S cruiser over the identity of the aircraft, which was eventually determined to be a much smaller Iranian F14-Tomcat military jet. After several warning calls went unheeded - due to the fact that USS Vincennes was transmitting on military frequencies and Iran Air Flight 655 could not receive these as it was a commercial airplane - the USS Vincennes fired two surface-to-air missiles at 10:54 AM, destroying the plane and killing all those on board.
Immediately after the event, U.S. officials reported that the Iranian airliner had been rapidly descending and was headed toward the USS Vincennes. In addition, it was stated that Iran Air flight 655 was not within its normal route. However, a U.S. Navy report on July 28, 1988 - released to the public in redacted form on August 19 - refuted these claims. It concluded that the Iranian aircraft was actually ascending “within the established air route,” and it was traveling at a much slower speed than that reported by the USS Vincennes.
Subsequently, many observers accused the U.S. military of a cover-up*. It was deemed as somewhat suspect that investigators had failed to interview others near the USS Vincennes. Most notable of these was the commander of the USS Sides, as several of his crew had identified the aircraft [Iran Air flight 655] as a commercial plane.
It was also considered very surprising that the USS Vincennes' surface-warfare commander - who had ordered Capt. Rogers to change course several hours before the incident - wasn’t questioned. In addition, the report’s statement that the USS Vincennes was in international waters was later acknowledged as incorrect; the Vincennes was in Iranian waters.
Even if any or all of these factors are discounted - it still does not explain how such a modern and highly advanced naval cruiser equipped with the most sophisticated radar-tracking and Guided Missile Launching System [GMLS] in existence could possibly confuse a large commercial airline with a military jet fighter. [this is akin to mistaking a small dog with an average-sized horse!]
To make matters worse, Capt. Rogers as well as the senior weaponry officer [who was responsible for carrying out the order to fire the missiles at Iran Air Flight 655] were commended by U.S President Reagan and awarded Legion of Merit medals for their 'outstanding service' during operations in the Persian Gulf.
[*It was only in 1996 and as a consequence of pressure from the International Court of Justice, that the U.S and President Reagan finally accepted responsibility - and apologised - for the tragedy. The U.S also paid US$68 million by way of reparations to both the Iranian government and victims of Iran Air 655].
However, the consequences of this gross act of incompetence by Capt. Rogers and the crew of the USS Vincennes had far greater implications:
As a result of the inexcusable downing of Iran Air flight 655, the justifiably incensed Iranians 'contracted' the Ahmed Jibril-led PFLP-GC [Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command] to carry out revenge attacks on 5 American airplanes. A payment of US$10 million was agreed with Jibril for the attacks*.
[This action was code-named 'Operation Intekam’ - which means ‘equal and just revenge’ in English]. The targets were to be on major American commercial airline operators with flights originating in Europe and to various US destinations. The motivation was pure revenge and to fulfill the promise that the skies would 'rain blood'.
[*there is expository evidence of this ’contract’: As part of their surveillance, the Israeli intelligence service MOSSAD, claimed to have intercepted phone calls from Ali Akbar Mohtashamipur [Ayatollah Mohtashemi], the Iranian Interior Minister in Tehran, to the charge d'affaires at the Iranian embassy in Beirut. During their conversations Mohtashemi-pur instructed the embassy to hand over the funds to Ahmed Jibril - and in a later call, to pass on congratulations to the PFLP-GC on the success of blowing up PanAm103].
[**The Iranians have very recently confirmed that this is true and that they - or agents directly in the pay of the Iranian government - carried out the Lockerbie bombing.
..so, after all, it seems state of the art radar system is not so state of the art..
Already uploaded.. part 2 soon??
This video is personally disturbing to me. I was not there but while in the Navy my job as EWO would have been in CIC and watching for this very thing. And I did this on a three-watch rotation, 4 hours on/ 8 hours off, 24/7, for many many months. I would have done as they did.
I know this is a reenactment using stock footage but am somewhat amused by the US Army personnel (gold army chevrons on their sleeves) pictured in it as if actually in the CIC at the time.
We often steamed with the Montgomery in DESRON 711 out of Norfolk VA.
I have a question Robert. I was an EW1 on the second of the Spruance class destroyers and didn't have the SLQ-32 yet. Did the SLQ-32 give you enough information to do that? Frequency, scan, and PRF are very close between an Airbus and an F14. I think the SLQ-32 would have identified it as an F14, the highest matching threat. And this video stinks.
One question for you, in the video they tried contacting the aircraft on the military frequency only, would you have tried to contact them on a civilian frequency, frequency where all the commercial airliners are before shooting them down?it did give out a civilian signature on radar
Who's the genius that was still using that flight path?
You do know ships can move they are different from islands.
That would be ATC who gave IA655 their altitude and track. They typically don't just tell you to "do whatever you FEEL like doing". There are often certain areas that are designated as routes for the aircraft to fly.
Why isn't the word Iran or the flight number in the title or description?
So u keep uploading the same videos ? This came out last month
Why dont they verify squawk code over air traffic control frequencies? They have to know those. All the military gadgetry they have.
War room be looking like a cave fr
why the plane wouldn't respond to confirm their identity ?
What kind of uniforms are those enlisted guys in the CIC wearing in the dramatization?
NOOOOO I HAD SEEN THIS JUST YESTERDAY AND I PAID MONEY.
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Wow this is a completely different view than another video I watched. They made it out to be an over eager US Captain with a God Complex!!! The little boats were shed in the same light that they were circling the waters. I’ll look for the other video and put a link in.
Perspectives are always different from different sides.
Heartbreaking for everyone involved. Tough job to be the button pusher
I bet you say things like “sucks for everyone involved in a school massacre, tough job to shoot everybody :,/“
There’s a saying “Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
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13:10 Iranian P3 Pilot: US Warship this is Iranian Papa 3 our intention is search mission we keep clear of your unit
Is there a part 2 to this? Explaining why the plane didn’t hear them when they were trying to reach out to them?
Im sure part 2 will get uploaded tomorrow
When they made the call on civilian emergency channel, they provided wrong information for the aircraft, such as using ground speed instead of air speed. There was very little reason for the airliner’s pilot to think the call was directed at them. And since it’s an emergency channel, you don’t just randomly chatter in it and ask, was that for me?
Your nation is in an 8 year bloody war, and there's warships defending oil tankers and hostilities in the gulf. Sounds like a wonderful time to take a vacation flight from Iran across contested waters with warships, doesn't it?? This would be the equivalent of taking a vacation into the contested front lines of a WWI or WWII battlefield.
The USA joined WW1 because they were mad that they were not able to sell food and ammo to the brits.
Seriously, how hard is to tell a spotter on the bridge to use the large binoculars, look up in the direction of the incoming bogey to try to identify a climbing airplane? Or to simply say, _"That's not an F-14..."_
it´s not easy, but possible, also another factor was the gunboats close to the ship
They have to decide before the aircraft is visual
Cpt. Rizane could have asked if they were referring to him by calling out his squak code and groundspeed but he didn't, he shares the blame in this. No point saying he followed policy and isn't in the wrong as Cpt Rogers can mount the same argument referencing the Reagan rules of engagement.
I dont get it how is it that the plane didnt recive the warnings even when they switch to civilian frequency
I'm wondering if the report of the Iranian ships firing on the helicopter wasn't made up?
Very unfortunate. If officer looked to see if there is scheduled flight from Bandar Abbas at 15:50. Then why they did not directly contact the tower in case when they did not have entry in their outdated book?
Vincennes wasn’t equipped to perform such a task
How can you not identify a civilian aircraft with binoculars ten miles out? Evidently the captain never exercised that option. The target was in a descent?
contrary to what is shown here, captain wanted to shoot down aircraft so badly.. his rash actions have been reported even before the incident.
What about the U.S.S Liberty?
What I don't get is how the crew thought the plane was descending when, in fact, it was climbing.
It don't add up.
That doesn't make any sense, either they had the technology to track elevation changes on targets or they didn't.
I think it was a case of miscommunication. The Aegis system assigned a code to the airliner, then later reused that code for a different aircraft. The captain asked for information of the airliner by referring it with the old code, and the operator responded with information on the aircraft identified by the code at that moment. At least that’s how the report say it happened.
Doesnt even matter if its ascending or descending, when you consider the code returned for an F-14. Thats an American-made badass fighter, compared to the other stuff Iran has
@Bob Cornwell......Simple - because Capt Rogers [and other personnel aboard the USS Vincennes] lied! These 'untruths' were later revealed and admitted to by the U.S military. [please read my post above].
The actor playing the Navy officer on radio, asking the captain his intention when the plane was at 20 miles....I've seen him before but can't remember if it was a movie, tv show, documentary....anyone? And how do these portrayals work? Does Mayday: Air Disaster hire these actors and creates the scenes, or are they somehow produced differently and the show 'borrows' the work? They're pretty well done but look awfully expensive. I guess the series maybe did/does well financially with advertising and whatnot??
Well can you blame them tho?
USS Vincent AKA The Death Star
How come they didn’t pickup the transponder of the commercial aircraft?
i have a recommedation to all millitary force: before shootingdown aircraft send an armed 1 to inspect the other craft.
As opposed to a guilty Airbus? This is similar to what happened to TWA 800, the FBI meddled with the NTSB's investigation of it. It was accidentally shot down with a live missile while the military were playing war games.
What kind of missile and fired from where?
The middle theory was never proven, don’t state it like a fact.
Couldn't they just call the airport? Or why not move the boat in a different direction to see if it's getting followed by the aircraft
The US was supporting Iraq in the middle of a war between Iran and Iraq. No, the US warship currently shooting at Iranian military boats cannot call the Iranian airport and say, "hey, is this plane at roughly this location civilian?" and expect a reliable response. Also, they are maneuvering their ship with respect to the literal battle they are currently fighting. Think, Kevin, think.
@@trarzene they could have called the airport and asked for the planes radio frequency
I just thought...
what if there is an equipment issue where the airbus cannot reach the vincent
all this did was cause an explosion on PanAm flight 103. pitiful.
He could have made a visual confirmation with high powered binoculars to see what kind of aircraft it was, it was day time, not night.
Iran had used passanger airplanes to carry anti ship missiles in the past. Seeing it wouldent have made a difference.
Why is NO ONE enraged just as much as Korean Air 007 vs this? MY congressman FROM MY HOMETOWN was killed! How 'bout this: STAY TF out of war zone, and DON'T F WITH THE BORG!
I watched this twice. The man who was reading the signal numbers that showed that toward the end his readout showed a civilian aircraft. Why was there no comment to try calling the plane on civilian radio frequency. The captain acknowledged that he heard this mans remark that it was a possible civilian aircraft. The screen they were watching does not input the current readout of the plane. It should have removed the F14 symbol. I think they kept saying to themselves “Iranian”. They did check the flying schedules from the local airport. That’s as close as they got to thinking civilian. The captains fear of making a mistake that would endanger his ship was overpowering. I think if he had been standing and able to move around the room and see the different screens, I think his brain might have taken in more of the possibility that it was not military. You need to be able to say all you options. Almost the whole crew is focused on a possible military target. That’s what they are set up for. You tube the company should have asked for a second part to this video. The second video needed to show the public several things. One, when they discovered that they had killed civilians. Two what did the ship do. It’s not shown if they looked for survivors. Three, this is the important one, did the navy do anything to change its procedures so that it was possible to discover a civilian plane sooner or is the word easier. Their radar is unable to tell the size or the shape of the plane. Fourth, in a war zone only the U.S. navy is in that mindset. That destroyed civilian aircraft took off from a nearby airport and I don’t remember anyone calling the pilot and reminding him to avoid flying in certain areas as it was an active war zone. That close and information was thought unimportant by two adjoining countries. It wasn’t safe for civilian air traffic in this area.
You might have missed it, but the ship was not equipped with civilian radio
Even if it did have said radio, how would the ship know what frequency to use to contact the airliner?
My point is that the captain was pushed by his crew and it should be the technology that failed the captain and if he did not make that decision he could be reprimanded for his action so I would understand why he pushed the button.
It’s a tough job being the captain of the ship not knowing what’s going to happen but I would expect a apology even if no one excepts such apology at least his crew would be more respected.
The captain was told by his surperiors to stay put in an area about 50 miles away. The captain ignored his orders and decided to go into Iranian territory anyways. The captain would not have been in a position for the "technology to fail" and "accidentally" shoot down a commercial airliner if he had followed orders. Your point is total nonsense.
You must’ve not watched the whole episode...it was clearing human error plus poor decision making from the start, no technology “failed” however limited it was. Though a few in the naval crew did FAIL to use and read the equipment correctly. From the very beginning, they were “looking for trouble”. Then deny deny deny...
Aftermath? What about the investigations?
If I was the government I would literally sue the Navy
23:25 They saw the plane descending quickly . Not likely, given that it was a commercial airliner and having almost attained cruising altitude.
Was this an equipment glitch, did they misinterpret something? Fairly important, as I doubt they would have been shot down if they were maintaining 30,000 ft!
It’s a 28 minute flight so fairly sure they won’t make it to 30k ft and even if they did they won’t maintain that altitude for any significant amount of time
@@wissor33 That's a good point. Though, even if they were descending already, it shouldn't be at a rapid rate it could be mistaken for a "dive"!
@@carlwilliams6977 I’m not an expert in aviation but I do think the 1000 ft per minute is not an out of the ordinary rate
@Carl Williams ......Please read my post above - it fully answers your question.
Near the end of full episode explains the mistaken read of “descent” by the naval operator...it was actually ascending altitude and he saw it wrong
If Rogers wanted to wait to the last minute to be sure he was doing the right thing, why didn't he go for the Phalanx CIWS? I noticed that the ship was unable to hit any of the so called boghammers, which can be a whole area of investigation. How could a star wars on a ship not able to hit a lowly boghammer? Why are some of the CIS people wearing non Navy insignia? Why didn't they get crew reactions after the truth came out that they shot down civilians?
CIWS is a close in defensive weapon used as a last ditch defense. There's no way a captain of any warship would let a hostile potentially armed w missiles in that close, or use a CIWS in that way, relying on it to be failsafe. Given the range of the Exocet that took out the Stark, I'm surprised they waited until it was only 10 miles away. The officer asking the Captain his intention when the craft was at 20 miles was right to be concerned.
Likely because of buying their silence and threats to their career...i.e. cover-up and blackmail, aka standard government procedures
Why was there no way to communicate with the airport or civillian planes?
If just flying towards a ship in a possibly military air craft is percieved by the US as hostile, maybe thats why the Iranian boat percieved the approaching military helicopter as hostile?
16:25 It's a little ambiguous. The narrator says: For all the ships technology, they didn't have a radio TUNED to the civilian frequency, not that they couldn't.
He then says that they broadcast on a international civilian emergency distress channel, with no response. Doesn't anyone monitor that channel?
The clincher was that they apparently interpreted the plane rapidly descending. I wish they had gone into more detail on this issue, as it's key!
@@carlwilliams6977 they were jus trigger happy people that hadn’t seen no combat
@@Michoacan87 Easy for you to say, when you're not sitting in a ship, in the middle of hostile territory! Did you miss the part about the missile that hit the other ship the year before, and killed 34 people, armchair warrior?
@@carlwilliams6977 how hard is it to admit that the crew messed up and shot down a civilian aircraft without warning, warning would mean they actually contacted the aircraft and warned it and not transmitted on a military frequency wich that aircraft had no access too🤷🏼♂️
@@Michoacan87It's not hard to admit, because that is in fact, what happened. Though, they did attempt to contact it on an emergency civilian channel.
However, If you actually think that an enemy aircraft is going to say howdy, or comply with orders to avoid you before, attacking, you haven't really thought the situation through!
That doesn't surprise me, as your spelling needs some work!
If events took place as depicted (that means shown) in the video, I would hardly call the captain "Trigger Happy"!
What's criminal is the deliberate suppression and destruction of discoveries and inventions that could decrease the world's use of oil products. See the book titled: Suppressed Inventions and other Discoveries: Revealing the World's Greatest Secrets of Science and Medicine, edited by Jonathan Eisen.
What is 300 killermeteors?
kilometers
Ever heard of googling?
What is an "Innocent Airbus Airliner"? Are there "Guilty Airbus Airliners"? Thus feels like Clickbait.
A Guilty Airbus Airliner is one manned by maligned actors intent on causing major damage and loss of life
@@anthonydefex777 no that would be the famous “Guilty-by-proxy Boeing 767 Airliners”
Despite this was Air Disaster; the footage that shown Iran Air Flight 655 was below 10 minutes. Seriously?
let's reverse the situation, just imagin Iran has fired down mistakenly an American plane, what could be happened then ????
¿ equivocación ? , si la guerra entre Irak e Irán , los terceros no combatientes no podían estar disparando sin comprobar , el disparo errado solo se explica porque uno de los 2 lados estaba ganando y había que equilibrar la batalla , después de todo Israel y Estados Unidos promovieron el enfrentamiento de Irak e Irán
Good job Uncle Sam 🇺🇸
18:38 Wow, the US sold them those planes! Now 85 BILLION worth of US military equipment is in the hands of the Taliban! When will we learn!?!?
I hope that a episode comes down the pipe breaking down what happened with Korean Air Lines Flight 007 and it’s shooting down by the then-Soviets.
If only someone on that ship had looked up into the sky with some binoculars or something, this would have never happened. These advanced tactical radar systems are good and all, but nothing beats just simply confirming with your own eyes.
It was deliberately fired at an Iranian passenger plane
I think that would work in the 1940s or 50s (wait until you can visually identify the plane), but with more modern jets and weapons my guess is that waiting until you can actually see the plane is way too late to defend if unfriendly (I’m no expert of course - could be totally wrong but seems likely).
@@Itried20takennames Accurate, at about 15nm you can make out plans type using high definition (for the time) plane mounted cameras. However at that distance you would be unable to make out distinguishing marks, or payload. It is not cut and dry with visual conformation and considering at the time that this happened you could engage air to air at 20nm it is a real danger.
@@questofknowledge8788 if it were an F-14 it was well within air to surface missile range before it could be visually identified.
@@mikebronicki6978 Exactly, granted the air to surface armament of Iranian f14a is an unknown. Basic dumb bombs for sure but I am unaware of any air to surface missiles compatible with the Iranian f14a. Exocet anti ship missiles is a danger but I do not know if they are even compatible with the onboard systems of a tomcat without major retrofitting. A F4 would have made mush more sense for that type of strike.
Captain Rogers of the USS Vincennes should apologize to the victims as he was the commander of the ship - responsible for the lives of all onboard, and the one who gave the order to fire two missiles at an aircraft that was perceived as an enemy aircraft by hidden technical faults which killed 290 people.
He has no reason to apologies it wasn't (completely) his fault multiple factors caused this accident and he was not a major contributor
@@bcrides6717 he was a pretty big reason of why this plane crashed
@@yummy9731 If you think that the entire multifactorial system with faults and discrepancies that humans rely on is less at fault than a guy saying yes or no essentially, you are dangerous.
@@bcrides6717 ....... Your are completely wrong - both factually and morally. Capt Rogers was by all accounts a 'loose cannon' and much of what happened in this tragic incident can be laid directly at his feet.
Not only did he totally ignore/disobey a direct order from his commanding officer to change course - thereby escalating hostilities - he then ordered a missile attack on an unverified 'target' based on highly unreliable and unconfirmed information.
Having realised his gross incompetence - Capt Rogers then lied to cover his actions and avoid blame. The 'multiple factors' you claim in his defence simply do not exist. What does remain though is a clear indication of appalling levels of leadership combined with an abject lack of integrity and judgment on Capt Roger's part.
@@thesoultwins72 prove he lied
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Just sad... its really something that they gave out medals for their... actions... smh...spitting in the face of innocent lives and their grieving families...
Exactly! Exactly the Vincennes crew is to blame they shouldn’t be praised
So let me get this straight. The US Navy sends a helicopter over small Iranian boats. Instigates a skirmish. Goes on full alert and then shoots down a civilian airplane. The only thing missing from this is a movie made about the emotional effects this had on the soldiers who were seen celebrating the downing of a civilian airplane over international waters that is a stone throw away from a civilian airport killing 290 people.
Yup and America never apologized for it and ever since then America and iran are fighting