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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2021
  • PART 2 | After Captain Rogers gives the command to fire, it becomes apparent that they have just shot down an innocent Airbus airliner.
    The decision has just killed 290 people on board. The aircraft had never at any time represented as a threat.
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    Season 3 Episode 5 "Mistaken Identity": July 3rd, 1988, Captain Roger and his crew are engaged in a sea battle. The Aegis Radar picks up the track of an incoming aircraft. The Vincennes crew grow increasingly convinced that the target is an Iranian fighter masquerading as an airliner. Captain Roger gives the command to fire and ends up shooting down an innocent Airbus airliner with 290 people on board.
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  • @MaydayAirDisaster
    @MaydayAirDisaster  2 года назад +4

    Want to watch more episodes in full? Watch them here: bit.ly/3vYH6wJ
    Watch part 1 here: ruclips.net/video/bDFzXE12NTA/видео.html

  • @notjack2491
    @notjack2491 Год назад +29

    ... Could you imagine what the US would do if something like this happened to an American jetliner? But when the shoe is on the other foot, the man who pulled the trigger gets a medal...

    • @jameswest8280
      @jameswest8280 10 месяцев назад +4

      "Military Intelligence" is an oxymoron.

    • @Ee-hv4no
      @Ee-hv4no 6 месяцев назад +2

      Exactly

  • @aboredguy
    @aboredguy Год назад +12

    Kind of like rewarding the police for killing the hostages and letting the bank robbers go.

  • @saftevand
    @saftevand 2 года назад +38

    US Navy investigates the US Navy and acquits the US Navy ...

  • @anthonydefex777
    @anthonydefex777 2 года назад +22

    dishing out awards when civilians are killed is morally wrong. If they needed to award someone , then it should have been the nameless person who warned of com. FTN!

    • @patriciaramsey5294
      @patriciaramsey5294 2 года назад +2

      You are totally right.

    • @anthonydefex777
      @anthonydefex777 2 года назад

      @@patriciaramsey5294 I guess the navy didn't want to dampen Rogers' war spirit

    • @jameswest8280
      @jameswest8280 10 месяцев назад +1

      It's the American "everyone gets a trophy" mentality.

    • @joelhemphill8005
      @joelhemphill8005 9 месяцев назад

      Er, they're not 'nameless'. The video clearly names them as Lieutenant Montford.

  • @nimueh4298
    @nimueh4298 2 года назад +39

    Only in America you can receive a commendation for making a mistake resulting in the death of 290 people, just imagine if the situation were reversed we would be crying foul until the end of time. What is worse of all is the integrity of the captain in accepting the commendation, showing he bare no responsibility at all.

  • @jakeirving2877
    @jakeirving2877 2 года назад +76

    As a former service member I will say this was human error at it's finest despite the tech in use. I will say captain Rodgers you fucked up the most. And if not for your glory hunting you could've saved 200 plus souls. I can't blame you for the defensive actions taken. But not knowing what waters you are in is a serious miscalculation. Sincerely a former U.S naval man. This was a tragedy and I'm sure you think of it often so I won't hammer it too much but seriously you fucked up. For those that miss those lost on this day I'm sorry. And for those who feel guilty about the travesty I'm sorry. This is something that should have never happened at fucking all.........

    • @jakeirving2877
      @jakeirving2877 2 года назад +3

      @Ace basically yes

    • @fonhollohan2908
      @fonhollohan2908 2 года назад +1

      Yes, he did screw up, plus, he shouldn't of been there in the first place. He didn't just disobey orders, it did look as though their were looking for a fight. Then, on top of all that they give him a metal and then he takes it. That should tell you right there that something is off with Captain Rodgers. SMH.

    • @mustafaakbar2727
      @mustafaakbar2727 Год назад

      he didn't deserve any medals rather consequences should have been dire.
      he killed 290 people

  • @misty028
    @misty028 2 года назад +45

    Wow, I did not expect that ending. Mistakes were made all on the US side -- did not communicate enough on civilian frequency, in the few times they did, they did not call out who they were communicating to, said plane was descending when IT WAS NOT, placed themselves in a position they weren't supposed to be at (along the flight path of Iran Air), didn't exercise due diligence in checking commercial flight schedule in the area, left marker in radar so it mistakely read 2 1100 initially but eventually settled fof correct reading later on -- yet they weren't at fault?! I understand there was stress on their side and they had a responsibility to protect themselves but if they were wrong with their decisions, they have to pay. Clearly here, they were wrong. And the most fatal of all was the oversight with the descent. If only the crew member didn't say that, the captain probably wouldn't have made the call. On the commercial flight side, what did they do wrong? They weren't called out properly nor was their flight path wrong so why were they attacked? If it was a US commercial flight, I feel that the investigation report would have been different. SHAME. The victims died for nothing. Causalties of war? Tell that to their families. Families who easily could have been any of us. I'm remembering the Egypt Air incident where the Egyptian government was covering up for their pilot while US was calling for reponsibility. Sad to know that they did the same.

    • @renatotesta902
      @renatotesta902 2 года назад +3

      It's always a big fucking blame game when egos take the lead

    • @N1Zer0
      @N1Zer0 2 года назад +8

      Good thing this Mayday series was made by Canadians. This story would really be lopsided nor be aired at all if it were produced in the USA.

    • @kamoonrathewolfgod9189
      @kamoonrathewolfgod9189 24 дня назад

      Government in this case is to blame mostly as they were likely the ones who thought to try and cover it up and hand out medals. It's like with trump right now trying to get out of the mess he's dug himself into. Instead of owning up to all his crimes he just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper. If it was up to him we would not even have police, medical, or firefighters to help keep us safe and instead everyone would have to fend for themselves and put out their own house if it goes up in flames and if we got hurt we would have to tend to our own injuries or have a family member who has no knowledge in medical training do surgery on another family member.

  • @camdenrelyea5400
    @camdenrelyea5400 2 года назад +86

    This seems like an obvious case of the military covering their ass. The facts that the plane was still ascending at missile impact and that it was in Iranian territory make this a clear case of misconduct on the Vincennes behalf.
    Why didn’t the other ship think the plane was a threat?

    • @wissor33
      @wissor33 2 года назад +15

      It’s clear from McKenna’s comment that this ship was looking for “action”. They ventured into a place they shouldn’t have been in, entered into Iranian sea illegally and where in the path of a civilian airplane.

    • @BigBlueJake
      @BigBlueJake 2 года назад +3

      The other ship (and a third ship) was still busy with the boghammers. Those gunboats would run in and out of Iranian waters, and the US Navy ships were supposed to stay in "international" waters - which pretty much meant Oman's side at the narrowest point in the Strait of Hormuz.
      If the US Navy was allowed to chase the boghammers into Iranian waters, they'd have cleaned them out in short order, but then Iran's Navy would have a legitimate reason to attack the US vessels. The US ships were there to keep the boghammers away from tankers and freighters, not to get into a war with Iran.

    • @aviatorsound914
      @aviatorsound914 2 года назад

      @@wissor33
      My point is that you can’t just look at it from that point of you my point is that under combat situation it’s easy to forget where you are and The computer or technology screen should clearly show where Iranian territory is like it’s easy to forget that you’re a human when you look at it from a nine point of view.
      This is what we called Tunnel vision.

    • @Boubson
      @Boubson 2 года назад +2

      @@aviatorsound914 so why they have not been blamed for that. Instead, they received medals!

  • @Sunny-hc1bf
    @Sunny-hc1bf 2 года назад +9

    So a American War Ship half way across the globe from its home country, disobeyed a direct order from its superior to engage a battle, proceeds to invade the water of a foreign country, miss identified the squawk code of a commercial airliner, calling multiple times mostly over a frequency that no one can hear, without properly specifying the target they are talking to, while the crew was in a mind set that made them ignore the clear and precise data that was sitting right in front of them, murdered 290 people, AND THEY GOT REWARDED FOR IT?!! The United States is SO FUCKED UP!

  • @MariAdkins
    @MariAdkins 2 года назад +39

    dude you really need to label these part one, part two ... because i got these out of order and watched the second one first. this happens with a lot of your videos. simple labeling would prevent that.

    • @r3_d282
      @r3_d282 2 года назад +1

      Dude you crying over two vids??

    • @zrora3094
      @zrora3094 2 года назад +2

      Just check the description. It says which part it is on all of them. The full episodes are marked with "Full Episode" in the title as well, so if it's not a full episode, check the description.

    • @MariAdkins
      @MariAdkins 2 года назад

      @@r3_d282 i reckon

    • @MariAdkins
      @MariAdkins 2 года назад +5

      @@zrora3094 that's a great plan! but it would be nice to see that info in the title which prevents having to click through!

    • @fonhollohan2908
      @fonhollohan2908 2 года назад

      I haven't had a problem with any of his video's.

  • @TommyCrosby
    @TommyCrosby 2 года назад +55

    Why on earth a military ship cannot communicate on civilian airwaves? Do they forget that they live in a world were civilians exists?
    Those who designed the ship system have the blood of those innocent lives on their hands.

    • @douglasgontz
      @douglasgontz 2 года назад +4

      I have to agree with you. That thought kept going through my mind over and over. And also, why didn't the Vincennes announce the squawk code of the commercial plane. That would have easily alerted the commercial flight that they needed to respond. It's not a suddenly thing that commercial aircraft just started to fly.

    • @andy4b767
      @andy4b767 2 года назад +3

      There is an civilian distress frequency for commercial and general aviation aircraft which is 121.5. The naval ship communicated the aircraft's ground speed instead of airspeed as indicated to the pilots.

    • @navigator9905
      @navigator9905 2 года назад

      The reason they don't use ADS-B is due to the fact it can be falsified.

    • @aviatorsound914
      @aviatorsound914 2 года назад

      @@andy4b767
      Military ship is technically not ATC so it does not record air speed. But it does show the squad code.

    • @andy4b767
      @andy4b767 2 года назад +1

      @@aviatorsound914 If they communicate with commercial aircraft, they better have ATC capabilities instead of shooting down an airliner

  • @kewlztertc5386
    @kewlztertc5386 2 года назад +51

    Wow, the crew got a celebration and medals for shooting down an airplane?

    • @javasrevenge7121
      @javasrevenge7121 2 года назад +9

      Indeed, unbelievable.

    • @metalstorm45
      @metalstorm45 2 года назад +8

      what a laugh. The crew acted properly? How about the dyslexic idiot who couldn't count and saw the altitude descending when infact it was ascending. Not to mentioned they were in Iran national waters. What a joke. haha

    • @kewlztertc5386
      @kewlztertc5386 2 года назад +11

      @@metalstorm45 But because it was an American ship, they had to "spin" the story so no fault was found.
      They created new psychological conditions to excuse the crew's war crime.
      I'm not even upset about them not taking responsibility, who would? But to give them medals is insulting to the families of the victims.

    • @metalstorm45
      @metalstorm45 2 года назад +1

      @@kewlztertc5386 sure. That's a good point.

    • @tylerjerabek5204
      @tylerjerabek5204 2 года назад +1

      And how does an American captain get the Legion of Merit, which isn’t an American medal?

  • @reneesantiago6496
    @reneesantiago6496 2 года назад +40

    How in Gods name could an American navy ship in our military not know the difference between descending or ascending ???? That's technology from the stone ages!!

    • @Michael-yq1oo
      @Michael-yq1oo 2 года назад

      You have to realize this happened over 30 years ago. This wouldn’t be a problem now days.

    • @5thgen418
      @5thgen418 2 года назад +2

      @@Michael-yq1oo there is still no justification may it be 30 years.
      Why USA can't just mind there own buissnes. Why are there forces present all around the world thousands and thousands of miles away from USA

    • @danieltoth3900
      @danieltoth3900 2 года назад +1

      @@5thgen418 Good question, however a much better question is why do y'all just look at the USA's brief history and act like it's the Americans that invented this behavior when you'd be hard pressed to find any country with any type of military capacity that stayed put within it's borders going back to the beginning of time as we know it? Ok, so maybe your intellect can only consider recent history. . .but wait- European colonization of the entire attainable world was well underway when the mostly oppressed groups first started fleeing the European lands of very limited opportunities to a mostly vacant uncivilized wilderness where there was no food and frigid winters! Ahhh, here's the answer. What my country accomplished in a few centuries is just miraculous! We mostly survived the initial hardships and from the most humble beginnings made opportunities almost out of nothing. Nobody noticed or cared when we first started. It was most likely amusing when the first reports of our struggle reached those we left. Nobody wrote hateful or jealous comments on the internet. When word of our first successes reached overseas they tried to tax us. So now the formerly oppressed have opportunities and freedom! Those that didn't join us find all they have is these petty internet comments. Well, if it makes you feel better go ahead. BTW as a superpower country now, we'd be foolish to not have strategic bases around the world. Since we're already in your neighborhood, go ahead and call when you need some help, even you petty people writing internet comments on your nine year old Samsung cellulars!

    • @5thgen418
      @5thgen418 2 года назад +2

      @@danieltoth3900 yeah okk from your speech especially about the last comment about 9 years old cell phone.
      You are kind of accepting and admitting that you are oppressors and giving justification for it and think that you all are superior human beings in some way from all the other poor or third world countries.
      I see the arrogance there inbeded deep in your mind.
      You need to think differently for sake of understanding more I guess.
      And for us there is no super power or ever will be in the world other than God

    • @5thgen418
      @5thgen418 2 года назад +1

      @@danieltoth3900 and please let us all know how many years old Android does taliban had.

  • @Imran_YTC
    @Imran_YTC 2 года назад +16

    They said descending when it was ascending and they weren't in the territory..that itself explains everything .. and they give medals.. if I had some amount of guilt where it was a mistake or not .. I would have turned down the medals ..

  • @Interdictiondeltawing
    @Interdictiondeltawing 2 года назад +10

    To this day. The CVR and FDR is not recovered

  • @martinvannostrand8488
    @martinvannostrand8488 2 года назад +34

    They gave them medals for killing these people?

    • @alysayed4155
      @alysayed4155 2 года назад +9

      People have no price in the eyes of governments and politicians. Especially if not their people!

    • @dennis2376
      @dennis2376 2 года назад +1

      It was not for killing the people but how they handled the crisis.

    • @hawk5602
      @hawk5602 2 года назад +2

      No they gave them medals for protecting the trading ships in international water.

    • @dennis2376
      @dennis2376 2 года назад

      @@hawk5602 That could be true, thank you.

    • @sidecrazy1
      @sidecrazy1 2 года назад

      Only makes sense, he hit both his missiles... kinda nasty

  • @SexiTRfan
    @SexiTRfan 2 года назад +6

    Such a tragedy...

  • @ZimmoneZ618
    @ZimmoneZ618 2 года назад +26

    Can you even stop and think what the man felt when he acknowledged he just killed 300 innocent people. I mean… is he ok?

    • @pyrotechnick420
      @pyrotechnick420 2 года назад +17

      He's doing just fine. The Navy awarded him a medal after this incident

    • @Parks_21
      @Parks_21 2 года назад +3

      @@pyrotechnick420 Except the terrorist attack that happened to Roger's family afterward.
      The wife of Capt. Will Rogers III, skipper of the San Diego-based Vincennes, escaped unharmed Friday morning moments before a pipe bomb exploded under her van, igniting a fire that gutted her vehicle at a busy La Jolla intersection.

    • @nerysghemor5781
      @nerysghemor5781 2 года назад +3

      @@Parks_21 When did that occur and what is your source?

    • @derrellthomas239
      @derrellthomas239 2 года назад +3

      @@Parks_21 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @derrellthomas239
      @derrellthomas239 2 года назад +4

      @@nerysghemor5781 His source is his sick but humorous mind!

  • @bobcornwell403
    @bobcornwell403 2 года назад +27

    I can see The Captain getting off. But getting a commendations?
    His crew screwed up. He screwed up. His ship wasn't where it was supposed to be. Not only that, but it seems he ran his ship rather aggressively, with a shoot first; ask questions afterword mentality. This would have been fine during WWII. But that ended over 40 years before this incident. With different combat conditions come different command expectation. And I think The Captain failed to meet those rather spectacularly.
    Sure, let them all off as a tragedy of war.
    But don't reward them

  • @chadwells7562
    @chadwells7562 2 года назад +11

    This tragedy was borne of compounding erroneous assumptions and poor systems and process design. The UI design problem that made the operator erroneously select the F14 on the runway and report its squawk code is something I see all the time with user interfaces even today. It’d be comical if it hadn’t led to such tragedy.

  • @sgaviationgaming_2263
    @sgaviationgaming_2263 2 года назад +3

    I like these videos because these videos is full episodes.

  • @pyrotechnick420
    @pyrotechnick420 2 года назад +11

    They were looking for trouble..

    • @copenhagen6116
      @copenhagen6116 Год назад

      There’s no proof of that so your statement is invalid

  • @ELatimerWrites
    @ELatimerWrites 2 года назад +17

    'Congrats on killing all those innocent people, bro. Here, have a metal".
    -The US Military, I guess.

    • @dennis2376
      @dennis2376 2 года назад

      You try and make a decision like that and you will fail or succeed the captain in a high pressure situation made a decision and it was the wrong call but he made a sound decision based on his training and his crew.

    • @r3_d282
      @r3_d282 2 года назад +2

      @@dennis2376 failure to identify is the keyword here. If you fail to identify as a radar operator, you shouldnt be a radar operator but im glad these disgrace to humanity got medals to serve and torture them as a reminder that innocent lives were taken along with their medals.

    • @r3_d282
      @r3_d282 2 года назад

      @@dennis2376 btw dont move to america, its a garbage country, they call it usa but nothing about them is united. Divided states of america for that matter. It really is the most rubbish country you will ever experience.

    • @dennis2376
      @dennis2376 2 года назад

      @@r3_d282 You are wrong, sorry you have a problem identifying a mistake.

    • @r3_d282
      @r3_d282 2 года назад

      @@dennis2376 no, you are wrong for having a nutshell iq for not identifying the reprocussion of the fact that these failures caused innocent lives were taken. You really defend that with all of your heart?? "Mistakes" dont bring back innocent lives. Or saying "oops my bad" makes things honorable again. Lol what a joke. Garbage country.

  • @greenman720
    @greenman720 Месяц назад +1

    So we killed innocent people because we didn’t have the correct radio.

  • @bjetpilot
    @bjetpilot 2 года назад +24

    There are always a series of events that lead to air disasters. Late starts, weather, arrogant pilots etc. In this case the series started with “an Iranian F-14”. They should never have had F-14s.

    • @BigBlueJake
      @BigBlueJake 2 года назад +11

      The US used to be on good terms with Iran when the Shah of Iran was the ruler. When the Shah was overthrown and the regime of Ayatollah Khomeini began, some of the F-14s had already been delivered. Needless to say, the US got a hard lesson regarding selling front-line military equipment to allies who could turn into enemies overnight.

    • @kennnuthatch5724
      @kennnuthatch5724 2 года назад +3

      @@BigBlueJake Guess we shouldn't mention how much U.S. equipment that was recently handed over to Isis and others recently...

  • @ravenlord4
    @ravenlord4 2 года назад +18

    Last year the Iranian military switched the tables and did the same thing to Ukraine International Commercial Airlines Flight 752, shooting it down and killing all 176 passengers and crew. Kind of ironic . . .

    • @yummy9731
      @yummy9731 2 года назад +2

      It unfortunately it is ironic one of my family’s friend was on that plane

    • @shayanmohammadi396
      @shayanmohammadi396 2 года назад +3

      @@yummy9731 and all my condolences my friend 🖤🖤

    • @yummy9731
      @yummy9731 2 года назад +1

      @@shayanmohammadi396 thank you 🙏

    • @wissor33
      @wissor33 2 года назад

      Highly doubt Iranians have the same sophisticated tools that are on US battleships.

    • @wissor33
      @wissor33 2 года назад

      @Schlomo Baconberg what I meant to say is that Iranian military can shoot down a plane but can’t properly identify it

  • @DonaldHHout-ok2fy
    @DonaldHHout-ok2fy Год назад +1

    So Sad.

  • @justalpha9138
    @justalpha9138 2 года назад +17

    I do not believe that this tragedy was Captain Roger's fault. There were too many flaws and missteps on both parties that caused this, and the crew was trained to fight and take no chances.

    • @justalpha9138
      @justalpha9138 2 года назад +4

      @thegreen iguana I know, but we can't always prevent that

    • @_gav__
      @_gav__ 2 года назад +1

      Not his fault, it’s the people on his ships fault

    • @justalpha9138
      @justalpha9138 2 года назад +2

      @@_gav__ Maybe, but unlike other commercial aviation tragedies, it doesn't boil down to a few issues with this, war was going on at that time and that played a significant role.

    • @derrellthomas239
      @derrellthomas239 2 года назад +1

      @thegreen iguana That's the worst part, but unfortunately sh*t happens.

    • @wissor33
      @wissor33 2 года назад +3

      Both parties? The mistake of flying a civilian airplane over international water is inexcusable!

  • @copenhagen6116
    @copenhagen6116 Год назад +1

    Y’all condemn the U.S. Navy for their mistakes and rewarding them medals when your country has done far worse to its own people than we could’ve done.

  • @livetotell100
    @livetotell100 Год назад +1

    Stuff like this happens all the time. Doesn't matter what countries military it is. When to militaries go at it, civilians always die.

  • @prmayner
    @prmayner 2 года назад +1

    the medals part makes it all that much more disgusting.

  • @gantmj
    @gantmj 2 года назад +2

    12:17 Was that guy in the X-Files?

  • @power2084
    @power2084 2 года назад +3

    You've got to be kidding. A heroes' welcome and celebrations in San Diego after MURDERING 290 innocent people !?!?

  • @matthewnorman2951
    @matthewnorman2951 2 года назад +10

    Anybody else think it's a bad idea to get shuffled into a takeoff schedule at an airport that is sending off military jets during a time of war? Not to take away blame but the guy IDed an Iranian fighter jet that was taking off just after the commercial airline from the same runway. Not that a combatant would ever hide behind innocent civilians. 🤔

    • @douglasgontz
      @douglasgontz 2 года назад +1

      I've done a good amount of flying. I have to agree that I wouldn't feel so comfy knowing a fighter jet was waiting in queue behind us at JFK.

    • @BigBlueJake
      @BigBlueJake 2 года назад

      @Schlomo Baconberg Depends on how long it was since Iran got the F-14s. The Iranians didn't have the the same maintenance mentality as the US (nor the access to parts), so the F-14s quickly became too precious of a resource for superior radar capability to risk losing doing a mission another fighter could do.

  • @swagatpadhi5320
    @swagatpadhi5320 2 года назад +2

    If this happened by USA then what,A new war started between usa and Iran, And the crew received medals,what a technology of USS vincent

  • @BigBlueJake
    @BigBlueJake 2 года назад +6

    Must say this is the most impartial and detailed documentary regarding this event that I've watched. Most docs focus on how trigger-happy the Vincennes' crew seemed to be, then go to talking about the territorial waters issue, and barely mention the civilian airliner other than as a target and the aftermath.
    The thing that puzzles me is why, given other countries' view of Americans as warmongers, the civilians flying over a known conflict zone wouldn't possibly think that they might be the aircraft the US ship is trying to communicate with.

    • @kalkuttadrop6371
      @kalkuttadrop6371 2 года назад +1

      To be fair, most other documentaries on the series about civilian planes getting shot down take a more aggressive stance in general. Namely the one shot down by Ukrainian Rebels and the one shot down by the Russians over Sakhalin....neither of those guys are getting much sympathy

    • @N1Zer0
      @N1Zer0 2 года назад

      @@kalkuttadrop6371 hey, we sympathize with malaysian airlines flight MH17, months prior to that was the disappearing MH370. 2014 was a very dark year for malaysia and some chinese. Who wouldn't sympathize with that? and the plane shutdown by Russia? I'm pretty sure Kpop fans arround the world remember that Korean flight.
      The russians and the ukrainian rebs were not rewarded though, that what makes this different from the other similar commercial planes shutdowns.
      P.s.: you forgot about that ukrainian commercial plane shut down by Iran though.

    • @mustafaakbar2727
      @mustafaakbar2727 Год назад

      the ship that wasn't suppose to be there

  • @user-se8qm7po4r
    @user-se8qm7po4r 2 года назад +11

    Those disgraceful thrill junkies should have been stripped off their rank titles and pensions... And stood trial found guilty and were sentenced to life in the brig....If we lived on a planet that held justice as a top priority, then those things would've happened., instead we had this to happen......

    • @pyrotechnick420
      @pyrotechnick420 2 года назад +2

      actually the captain got a medal after this incident. Doesn't that make your blood boil?

    • @daquan99999
      @daquan99999 2 года назад

      @@pyrotechnick420 No, it doesn't make anyone's blood boil but just a reminder of reality. The reality that darkness exists, even in the people who is supposed to protect us.

    • @alysayed4155
      @alysayed4155 2 года назад

      Their is no Justice in this planet. End of text

    • @nerysghemor5781
      @nerysghemor5781 2 года назад +1

      I recommend watching the first part of the video as it shows a lot more of the multiple things that went wrong leading up to this.

    • @pyrotechnick420
      @pyrotechnick420 2 года назад

      @@daquan99999 I was talking to OP who seemed really mad but thanks for replying for him lol

  • @mj6962
    @mj6962 2 года назад +20

    I’m so sorry, to all of the families and victims. My heart, prayers and thoughts are with them still. But I only have one question, and please let me know if I missed it… why did the pilots of the plane NEVER hear or receive the multiple warning messages sent to them across multiple frequencies and channels, that they should have been able to hear?

    • @questofknowledge8788
      @questofknowledge8788 2 года назад +2

      There were only 3 out of over 10 that were on a frequency that could be heard on their radio. Of that they were using ground speed not indicated air speed. I don’t know exactly why the air crew would hear their heading and a speed within 50 knots of them and not answer.

    • @wissor33
      @wissor33 2 года назад +10

      Because the ship did not properly identify the plane. They noted the ground speed not air speed and never identified the airplane properly. They also broadcasted on the military frequency which the airbus cannot hear

    • @cw5451
      @cw5451 2 года назад +2

      Yes, you missed it.

    • @trarzene
      @trarzene 2 года назад +1

      @@wissor33 ths ship could not identify the plane. That was the whole point of the radio calls. They didn't only call on military freqs, they also called on the emergency air freq that all aircraft can hear and are required to tune into in case of emergency

    • @patriciaramsey5294
      @patriciaramsey5294 2 года назад +1

      3 of the 10 messages were on civilian freqs. On those 3, the military did not identify the plane. The pilot heard, but did not understand they were trying to contact him.

  • @tarawilson4331
    @tarawilson4331 29 дней назад

    This incident is the reason for PAN AM 103!

  • @charlesmoore456
    @charlesmoore456 2 года назад +7

    "This was not my first crisis. It was one of many. During it, I did what my experience and training required me to do. I took the proper steps in the proper order. I did exactly what had to be done, exactly when it should have been done. Given the same circumstances I would do the same thing without hesitation, because the steps I took in the order I took them were absolutely necessary if I were to save my ship."
    "And NOTHING is more important than my ship."

    • @itsmeekers
      @itsmeekers 2 года назад +1

      Finney.... He's alive. He painted the wrong image on to the ship's radar.

    • @charlesmoore456
      @charlesmoore456 2 года назад +2

      @@itsmeekers ...and his one mistake.

    • @itsmeekers
      @itsmeekers 2 года назад +2

      @@charlesmoore456 I wish this had audio. My reaction as I'm reading your post paused and read it in William Shatner's Voice. I had to stop ohhhh that's Court Martial.

    • @itsmeekers
      @itsmeekers 2 года назад +1

      @@charlesmoore456 We Reach... You are not Herbert.

    • @charlesmoore456
      @charlesmoore456 2 года назад +1

      @@itsmeekers Yeaaaaah, brother.

  • @whoever6458
    @whoever6458 2 года назад +1

    No one wins in a war.

  • @galexander8723
    @galexander8723 2 года назад +11

    And then they gave them medals?

    • @power2084
      @power2084 2 года назад +3

      It's worse than that. When they arrived in San Diego, they received a heroes' welcome and there was celebrations !!

    • @elenapashaeva1
      @elenapashaeva1 2 года назад +2

      Biсhes

  • @daquan99999
    @daquan99999 2 года назад +9

    This is really dark. The marine, should have been punished but yet, honored. Absurd.

    • @yummy9731
      @yummy9731 2 года назад +1

      exactly!

    • @dennis2376
      @dennis2376 2 года назад

      What Marine? There was only navy personal involved in this incident. Punished for what, a mistakes and make a very difficult call. I think not.

    • @alysayed4155
      @alysayed4155 2 года назад

      @@dennis2376 a mistake ?!
      Is this is the true definition?

    • @dennis2376
      @dennis2376 2 года назад

      @@alysayed4155 I am sorry I do not know what definition you are talking about?

    • @daquan99999
      @daquan99999 2 года назад

      @@dennis2376 I think you are right. It is navy, not marine. But no matter who they are, they should be punished.

  • @ENOPN2
    @ENOPN2 Год назад

    Summary for Case Study
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    (12:38) (13:32) (14:11) (14:59) (15:32) (16:12) (16:53) (17:43) (18:30) (19:23) (05:58) (11:22)

  • @LinFkh
    @LinFkh 2 года назад +1

    so the CPT knows it can be a civilian airplane, the CPT doesn't double-check ANY information about this specific and unique doubtable plane, 2 other officials don't make their job cause their position I guess is useless since another person already made a call. I guess the army in the US has too many extra ppl. The CPT sent unreachable messages to the plane, the CPT sent WRONG messages to the plane (if those messages would have arrived). The US government cover-up his asssassins, terrorist or call them, however ( cause if the roles would be switched, they would be called terrorists, assassins or worse). Oh! I almost forget the man that was confused with the schedule or the departure of this one plane. none of the previous planes taking off from the same land

  • @hakanitomanchesterunited5349
    @hakanitomanchesterunited5349 Месяц назад

    Not fear but shame

  • @reneemills-mistretta790
    @reneemills-mistretta790 2 года назад +5

    So, what & when was the very 1st commercial airline crash? Would love to see what you can put together.

    • @OnTourWithPattiSmith
      @OnTourWithPattiSmith 2 года назад

      Was it the crash over the Grand Canyon?
      🔰

    • @reneemills-mistretta790
      @reneemills-mistretta790 2 года назад

      @@OnTourWithPattiSmith
      I'm thinking it was but there must've been something before that.

    • @OnTourWithPattiSmith
      @OnTourWithPattiSmith 2 года назад +4

      Renee Mills-Mistretta
      Wiki has a nice list of crashes at “List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft”
      Side note ... the wright brothers crashed their plane and it killed the passenger so that may be considered the first plane crash.

    • @sidecrazy1
      @sidecrazy1 2 года назад

      No asked for your opinion.

    • @CollDott
      @CollDott 2 года назад

      No such thing!! 😂

  • @N1Zer0
    @N1Zer0 2 года назад +1

    Oh shite! This is gonna be hard to watch.

  • @ch0colatemilk
    @ch0colatemilk Месяц назад

    Americans would lose their MINDS if an American plane was shot down in error by a missile strike. The way that they down play this is awful.
    They disobeyed an order to come to the other ship's aide and were in the Iranian waters illegally. They then mistakenly say that the plane was descending when it was in fact ascending the entire time and NOBODY thought to double check?? Their calls on the civilian channel were vague at best. I don't think the civilian plane did anything wrong because they didn't even see it coming. The ship should have never been there in the first place, the plane was following the correct air travel space.
    Listening to the brother talk about this accident and the fact that they never recovered his body is very sad. What a waste.

  • @Nguyen-dv5ce
    @Nguyen-dv5ce 2 года назад +1

    No communicate-> Dead

  • @MrPhat0817
    @MrPhat0817 2 года назад +4

    And after in time the Iranians shoot down a Ukrainian plane

    • @N1Zer0
      @N1Zer0 2 года назад +1

      And Ukrainian rebs shuting down another Malaysian passenger plane, months after Malaysian MH370 was lost mysteriously.

  • @kykoora
    @kykoora 2 года назад +7

    Maybe in the U.S. ship someone could of got on the deck of the ship and looked through binoculars and seen it was a passenger aircraft.

    • @rincontibio7664
      @rincontibio7664 2 года назад +1

      could be, but also the aircraft is moving quite fast, at high altitude, so it would take them a while to correctly identify the plane, but honestly the could have done that, yet we never know

  • @xyz-ob6bs
    @xyz-ob6bs 3 месяца назад

    İt is obvious that this attack had been done deliberetly!!!

  • @hinglajsankroth
    @hinglajsankroth 2 года назад +2

    That's why Indians don't like us navy conducting firing exercise in india's exclusive economic zone without prior permission.

  • @skyblockpro1
    @skyblockpro1 2 года назад +4

    This is a pure case of negligence. The military has the tools to more easily identify the aircraft. I the have the Squak code and don’t transmit it. Also the operators should know that a airliner doesn’t need its ground speed hence it doesn’t carry a 1milion dollar Speedo. Hence a speed identification is pointless for civil aircraft. The squak code was a simple key that wasn’t used.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 2 года назад +1

      Well...nowadays we also have GPS. Something they didn't have in 1988. The Squawk code would have been WAY better.

  • @thelincolnrailfan
    @thelincolnrailfan 2 года назад +5

    I’m on of the first!!! Love this episode, but it was a REALLY UNFORTUNATE series of events that led to this disaster… RIP to all the victims

    • @nerysghemor5781
      @nerysghemor5781 2 года назад +1

      There is a prior video that shows a lot of the lead-up.

    • @thelincolnrailfan
      @thelincolnrailfan 2 года назад +2

      Yeah I’ve seen that too. Very sad

  • @teresajennings1243
    @teresajennings1243 2 года назад +8

    I think the Captain did what he felt was called for at the time. Just a terrible tragedy for all. The only thing other than what they did would be if they could have had someone with binoculars looking for the plane to get eyes on it to be sure of identification. But am thinking maybe that would have brought the plane within striking distance of the ship. If only the system had not misidentified it as an F14. I just hope lessons were learned from this tragic event.

    • @yummy9731
      @yummy9731 2 года назад

      It wasn’t the system that Misidentified the aircraft it was the people controlling the system it was all human error

    • @power2084
      @power2084 2 года назад +1

      they gave the crew a heroes' welcome in San Diego when they ship returned. Do you think it was appropriate ? Oh and they also gave them medals

    • @CC-te5zf
      @CC-te5zf 2 года назад +1

      Many procedures were changed. Much good came from this.

  • @neilbaird8921
    @neilbaird8921 2 года назад +4

    In the modern age of you do not monitor civilian frequency you have to be kidding me. The language international is all englih that incedent is almost inexcusable

  • @zogzog1063
    @zogzog1063 2 года назад +1

    There is a simple simple simple answer to the Iranian loss. Do not take a risk.

    • @patriciaramsey5294
      @patriciaramsey5294 2 года назад +2

      But the computer showed the plane was not diving toward them.

  • @LilRapp2024
    @LilRapp2024 2 года назад +11

    He did what he was supposed to do.

    • @LilRapp2024
      @LilRapp2024 2 года назад +7

      @Black Jesus did you watch the whole video? Put your self in his shoes on the ship. And that’s not what I was saying.

    • @Wellh0wrya
      @Wellh0wrya 2 года назад +5

      @@LilRapp2024 don’t mind him, he’s got ptsd from trump… he clearly has thought disorder

    • @LilRapp2024
      @LilRapp2024 2 года назад +1

      @@Wellh0wrya 😂

    • @pyrotechnick420
      @pyrotechnick420 2 года назад +8

      They thought they were star wars at sea but their technology wasn't as good as they thought. That ended being the cause of this horrible tragedy. Human error based on design flaws

    • @alysayed4155
      @alysayed4155 2 года назад

      He did a crime.

  • @wapiti3750
    @wapiti3750 2 года назад

    Fish food.

  • @reneesantiago6496
    @reneesantiago6496 2 года назад +3

    This is why I'll only fly to Asian countries. Japan pilots and airways are friendly, professional and clear. No way would I fly anywhere that is even CLOSE to the middle east!

    • @mohamedabdelhalim6013
      @mohamedabdelhalim6013 2 года назад +3

      ? ur making me feel like it was the pilot's problem for sticking to his course and following all the rules. and you dont choose what path the aircraft takes, if you are going to japan you may have to cross the middle east lol

    • @reneesantiago6496
      @reneesantiago6496 2 года назад +1

      @@mohamedabdelhalim6013 You know what I mean MOHAMED

    • @OstinGBX
      @OstinGBX 2 года назад +1

      Check your map and tell me where "Middle East" is

  • @5thgen418
    @5thgen418 2 года назад +7

    It's a shame that the ship was received as heroes in USA.
    Murderers made heros shame on all of them

  • @Mrfloppaboys
    @Mrfloppaboys 2 года назад

    i like this vid

  • @EK-oe9sj
    @EK-oe9sj 2 года назад

    SHHHHHEDULE

  • @kenbrownfield6584
    @kenbrownfield6584 2 года назад +3

    If you've ever been a radar operator, you know that radar contacts can be easily misinterpreted as hostile.

  • @Jamesjones-vm7me
    @Jamesjones-vm7me 2 года назад +26

    All hail the mighty military industrial complex and it's bloated billion dollar tax payer budget.

    • @sareight
      @sareight 2 года назад +1

      Thank God we do spend that money on Defense! It’s money very well spent.

    • @g00glechr0me8
      @g00glechr0me8 2 года назад +6

      @@sareight That wasn't defense!...that was going near the coast of another country, picking a fight and escalating the situation and killing innocent people!

    • @sareight
      @sareight 2 года назад +1

      @@g00glechr0me8 That IS part of our defense. We didn’t pick a fight. Ridiculous comment.

    • @sareight
      @sareight 2 года назад

      @Schlomo Baconberg Horrible analogy. Seriously.

    • @sareight
      @sareight 2 года назад

      @Schlomo Baconberg You may want to educate yourself as to why we have a presence there. There is a purpose and a reason. Once you do that, then you will own it.

  • @renneedwards9826
    @renneedwards9826 2 года назад +2

    What a slap on the wrist! 👋🏾🙄👀💅🏾🤦🏾‍♀️😤

  • @MosesIsrael-mn9cj
    @MosesIsrael-mn9cj 2 года назад +5

    Cover-up

  • @DankNoodles420
    @DankNoodles420 2 года назад +2

    Thats why you always get VISUAL CONFIRMATION of your target if possible! EYES ON TARGET EYES ON TARGET VISUAL CONFIRMATION OF TYPE OF TARGET, HEADING, COURSE.

  • @LisatheGreatest
    @LisatheGreatest 2 года назад +1

    It was a criminal act

  • @ANTO-un8eu
    @ANTO-un8eu 2 года назад +1

    I'm 186

  • @reneemills-mistretta790
    @reneemills-mistretta790 2 года назад +3

    He didn't make a mistake. He could only make a judgment using the tools they had available. It was horrible and unfortunate that innocent civilians were killed. Iran should've told their airline to stay clear of the area. Our Navy continued efforts to make contact with that plane all the way up to the point when it was too late! What if it was a F-14 trying to disguise itself as a commercial airliner in order to get close enough to fire on and sink our war ship? They didn't intentionally seek out to take down a commercial jet liner filled w/innocents. Iran certainly wouldn't hesitate to take down one of our commercial airliners filled w/innocents though, would they??? Do we need to relive 911 attacks again? Had they known it was a airliner it would NOT have been fired on & to think anything else other then that is ridiculous!!! Unfortunate casualties of war! Our country has been officially at war since the twin tower's went down! We don't take chances like the last time we didn't fire and Iran fired on our warship killing 37 sailors!!!

  • @user-fr3hy9uh6y
    @user-fr3hy9uh6y 2 года назад +1

    Ukraine is trying the Russian's that shot down the passenger plane, in absentia using Twitter data. The US gives medals to the crew that shot down an Iranian passenger plane. Both tragic events.

  • @williamscott4634
    @williamscott4634 2 года назад +2

    Captain did what he was supposed to do protect his ship ! 🇺🇲🎚️🇺🇲

    • @MrThemanofdoom
      @MrThemanofdoom 2 года назад +5

      Never should have been a war in the first place bud

  • @Wellh0wrya
    @Wellh0wrya 2 года назад +3

    BLLLLLYYAAAT

    • @N1Zer0
      @N1Zer0 2 года назад

      Are you saying that they did not fire missiles but shut the aircraft down with a gau-8 sir?

  • @davidwebb913
    @davidwebb913 2 года назад +5

    William Fogarty is a disgrace. Nothing but excuse. This is what happen when you ask someone to investigate his/her own team.

  • @giorgosk.8358
    @giorgosk.8358 2 года назад +8

    Well i see all of these comments protecting the action that have been taken by the us ship. Really a proof of the US people mentality! War-war-shoot-we made the right decision….lol guys you are not alone in this planet!

    • @patriciaramsey5294
      @patriciaramsey5294 2 года назад +2

      If you go back and reread the comments, you will see americians calling the Vincesses "murderers" and other things. I am American, but I am greatly ashamed by the wholesale execution of those innocent lives.

  • @Realfrenchie
    @Realfrenchie 2 года назад

    It ok, is only an Iranian airplane. Maybe they save some life by taking some life.

    • @cindelynulbata2347
      @cindelynulbata2347 2 года назад

      Is it still okay if ever your family is in that irañian airplane? I doubt it.

  • @camcappe353
    @camcappe353 2 года назад

    Startled to discover, really? Rogers is Karen with guns.

  • @Wellh0wrya
    @Wellh0wrya 2 года назад +4

    Rogers pulled a Biden!!!

    • @justalpha9138
      @justalpha9138 2 года назад +1

      No he didn't.

    • @renneedwards9826
      @renneedwards9826 2 года назад

      Bwahahaaaa… wtf. 🤦🏾‍♀️ 🤡

    • @rodgerrodger1839
      @rodgerrodger1839 2 года назад +1

      Wow! Really? Only if he had one of your heroes new Missiles! You know one of his " super duper ones!" The one he was bragging about. You know, one of the " Hydrosonic Missiles". Remember? Gosh, you're all so quick to bash Biden but you don't remember your heroes insane rambling nonsense when he was trying to be re-elected. Oh, well the "Mango Mussolini" is just that...nothing.

    • @Wellh0wrya
      @Wellh0wrya 2 года назад

      @@rodgerrodger1839 you sir sound like a lunatic

    • @Evolution14387
      @Evolution14387 2 года назад

      And Trump too