Transparent? Ramses was the most disingenuous, talk around in circles, fake spiritual, deceitful empathy clown. The smartest thing that Marissa ever said was that he should have never been on the show, and that is 💯. He knows exactly what love is blind shows premise is and should have had all that divorce-searching bs beforehand.
Agreed. They were definitely exploiting her pain for entertainment. And you can tell they were asking her questions while she was uncontrollably crying. She couldn’t speak. But, they continued to ask. Disgusting behavior by Netflix & Kinetic & disregard for a Black women’s trauma.
I don’t know why everybody is acting like Marissa wasn’t a lot. She gave me anxiety just watching her on the screen and from seeing her mom they all need therapy and I think her relationship with her mom has really affected her. Marissa is very high strung and needs to work on that if she wants to be in a relationship. Ramses isn’t perfect but I’m so glad he called it off
I find it very telling that the first time we see Tyler’s family is at the wedding. Why didn’t we get scenes of Ashley meeting them like he met her parents? Is it because they didn’t want to be put on the spot about the kids?🤔
This episode could've been a footnote.. I like Ashley and want to believe that she will cut her losses following these revelations about Tyler. However, based on the comments she's made on the show, I think she's going to "stick beside him".
My heart broke for Marissa during her breakdown 💔 Although I have been trying to give Ashley some grace, the conversations she had this episode showed me she low-key married her dad 😔
Prime example that if we don’t face our trauma we can very likely repeat it. She had issues with her father and grandfather. She really thought she was getting a good guy in Tyler but 😰
And I think she still deserves grace, because clearly that's a blind spot being played out through her unhealed trauma. It was hard to watch, though. She has blinders on...for a man she barely knows.
In my opinion she’s like high energy lots of love and then too low and not wanting anything (I sense that not saying in right) but she really is a great girl, it broke my heart for her
Thank You for having a mature POV...I really can't stand when some women just hate on the man ...call him all types of abuser, gaslighter, narcissist for simply not wanting to be with the girl you were rooting for...I personally don't see anything wrong with what Rams said.... Relationships break down all the time ..it's simply a part of life ...But I think ur ability to give him the benefit of the don't, versus just dragging him is the difference between someone watching this through a healed heart. ..and someone watching this whose still angry hurt and projecting.
Reading her interview with glamour just makes me question if he ever truly even liked her. Forget love😕 The only kindness he ever did was break up with her and it was more for him then her. Other things that make me doubt he ever even liked her are that she mentions he didn’t even want to date her. I get anxieties about a huge commitment like marriage, but if you ever even cared about someone you’d at least want them to be apart of your life. I take back what I said, he’s as terrible as Tyler in my eyes😭 That interview blew me. I did not think he could sink lower in my eyes. ETA: I wish she could skip the reunion because she needs to have absolutely no contact with him ever again😵💫
I absolutely love Marissa and was just admiring her beauty inside and out yesterday. I watched the episode this morning and wanted to pull off my earrings for Ramses. Her spirit is so beautiful, she still got up and hugged that fool. I would never want to see him again!!!!
I just found you ladies this season and I have really enjoyed your recaps/break downs. This episode was a bust for me. Knowing all the outside stuff about Tyler from the lives of the other women in his life just ruined it for me. It’s just coming too fresh off the heels of that info.
Amen! Much too sordid, like a Jerry Springer story, but even more disgusting. I'm done, with the whole franchise. Abuse at this level is just not entertaining. Bless up, everyone.
Hannah went on an apology tour on the Viall podcast. She said she watched herself and realized she needed to change her personality for the better. She accepted that she came off very harsh and wants to be a better person. She also looked like she slimmed down and has a great new more blonde hair color.
I don't see the issue with Marissa's energy/ bubbly personality. I know genuinely happy people who don't display high energy when they are sick. Is there something else that I am missing?
I know the producers struck gold, but watching Marissa‘s devastation in real time was not only uncomfortable but it was painful. It lasted a little too long for my comfort. She definitely loved Ramses more than he loved her & her love was forcing her to be blind on certain aspects that showed them to be incompatible (religion, military, sex, etc) . I truly felt bad for her. Ashley decided to tear all the red flags down and make a damn dress smh well, it’s her life not mine lol Taylor and Garrett were set from the beginning so congratulations to them!!
Tyler "the Creator" is a liar and I don't think there is a genuine bone in his body. I think he wanted to be the next Brett and Tiffany. I don't think the love is real for him. He's looking for a come up. Tyler said in an interview with the Vail Files that he started a new business. I wonder if Ashley helped him fund that business? Also, I never thought I'd be disappointed to see a black woman get married. This is so embarrassing for Ashley.
Let’s be honest-she was in lust, and it clouded her judgment. Once that oxytocin kicked in, she ignored a lot of real red flags in the relationship. If Marissa continues dating Ramses without the physical aspect, there might be hope for them. But I doubt he’d ever agree to that, so it’s probably a moot point.
Ramses is disingenuous to the core.. I don't believe he ever had any intentions of marrying whomever he was partnered with. Marissa should cut all contact with this man, charge this experience to the game and learn to be less enamored with the fairytale fantasy.
I saw a video with the kids where they call him dad. And it sounded on Bri that the grandmother was involved. The kids would call him dad in all situations, including when the grandmother was there
I was eating a sandwich while watching the Marissa Ramses scene and felt so bad that they were showing us her breaking down. It seemed so intimate and raw and here I am eating my stupid sandwich. Also Ramses is a selfish and disingenuous person.
Between the unwatchable breakdown and inevitable weddings with one of them being based on lies and deceit…. I just hit fast forward to confirm these dummies said I do and turned it off.
I LOVED Ashley's dress, she was gorgeous! My heart was breaking the whole time knowing all the info we know now. I didn't remember Taylor's dress being short either?? I didn't like it at all, but I like them together and think they will be a great couple
Ramses never had any intentions of getting married. He got some sex out of the situation, then at the last possible moment came up with whatever excuse he could find to get out of it.
Ramses should not have gone on the show having such hesitant on getting married within 2-3 weeks when that is the premise of the show. He also should not have matched with her knowing she has a bubbly high energy personality. She should have matched with the other guy that liked her.
Question: Do you believe the martial relationship is paramount to the parent/child relationship? Many religions prize the husband/wife union over the role of parent. (The reason I have limited the question to male/female is because they can create a child inside the marriage that is a product of them both). It just feels like Tyler may value husbandhood more.
Transparent? Ramses was the most disingenuous, talk around in circles, fake spiritual, deceitful empathy clown. The smartest thing that Marissa ever said was that he should have never been on the show, and that is 💯. He knows exactly what love is blind shows premise is and should have had all that divorce-searching bs beforehand.
As soon as the unprotected sex stopped…so did he. She was just a good time for him😢
@@momsof1 💯
U do realize this is an edited show....They most likely said Alot to each other off camera or didn't make the cut.
I felt so bad they kept filming Marissa during her breakdown 😢🥺
Exactly but omitted Alex and Tim scenes
Agreed. They were definitely exploiting her pain for entertainment. And you can tell they were asking her questions while she was uncontrollably crying. She couldn’t speak. But, they continued to ask. Disgusting behavior by Netflix & Kinetic & disregard for a Black women’s trauma.
I don’t know why everybody is acting like Marissa wasn’t a lot. She gave me anxiety just watching her on the screen and from seeing her mom they all need therapy and I think her relationship with her mom has really affected her. Marissa is very high strung and needs to work on that if she wants to be in a relationship. Ramses isn’t perfect but I’m so glad he called it off
I’m thinking Marissa is not being herself completely in the beginning. Then when the real her shows up it might be a turn off.
I find it very telling that the first time we see Tyler’s family is at the wedding. Why didn’t we get scenes of Ashley meeting them like he met her parents? Is it because they didn’t want to be put on the spot about the kids?🤔
💯😭💯
Probably because they would have spilled the beans on the kids.
This episode could've been a footnote.. I like Ashley and want to believe that she will cut her losses following these revelations about Tyler. However, based on the comments she's made on the show, I think she's going to "stick beside him".
Lol at this episode being a footnote😂 bring us the reunion immediately!
My heart broke for Marissa during her breakdown 💔 Although I have been trying to give Ashley some grace, the conversations she had this episode showed me she low-key married her dad 😔
Prime example that if we don’t face our trauma we can very likely repeat it. She had issues with her father and grandfather. She really thought she was getting a good guy in Tyler but 😰
💯
And I think she still deserves grace, because clearly that's a blind spot being played out through her unhealed trauma. It was hard to watch, though. She has blinders on...for a man she barely knows.
Hi Ladies…I told you Ramses was for the streets 🤦♂️
In my opinion she’s like high energy lots of love and then too low and not wanting anything (I sense that not saying in right) but she really is a great girl, it broke my heart for her
Thank You for having a mature POV...I really can't stand when some women just hate on the man ...call him all types of abuser, gaslighter, narcissist for simply not wanting to be with the girl you were rooting for...I personally don't see anything wrong with what Rams said.... Relationships break down all the time ..it's simply a part of life ...But I think ur ability to give him the benefit of the don't, versus just dragging him is the difference between someone watching this through a healed heart. ..and someone watching this whose still angry hurt and projecting.
Rams is not for her. She will find her person. There’s something missing from the story though, but he was not ready for marriage.
Honestly I think she’s super high energy and then super low energy (.living in the extreme) that’s what I’m picking up
Taylor’s dress she chose during the fitting was indeed full length. I also didn’t care for the shorter length she ultimately chose but it was okay.
Reading her interview with glamour just makes me question if he ever truly even liked her. Forget love😕 The only kindness he ever did was break up with her and it was more for him then her. Other things that make me doubt he ever even liked her are that she mentions he didn’t even want to date her. I get anxieties about a huge commitment like marriage, but if you ever even cared about someone you’d at least want them to be apart of your life. I take back what I said, he’s as terrible as Tyler in my eyes😭 That interview blew me. I did not think he could sink lower in my eyes.
ETA: I wish she could skip the reunion because she needs to have absolutely no contact with him ever again😵💫
Wasn't Tyler's mom also deleting photos of the kids?
I absolutely love Marissa and was just admiring her beauty inside and out yesterday. I watched the episode this morning and wanted to pull off my earrings for Ramses. Her spirit is so beautiful, she still got up and hugged that fool. I would never want to see him again!!!!
Also why nobody talking about Him having a thong bodysuit on????
I just found you ladies this season and I have really enjoyed your recaps/break downs. This episode was a bust for me. Knowing all the outside stuff about Tyler from the lives of the other women in his life just ruined it for me. It’s just coming too fresh off the heels of that info.
Exactly the same for me. Tyler and Ashley’s scenes were not enjoyable at all.
Same!
Amen! Much too sordid, like a Jerry Springer story, but even more disgusting. I'm done, with the whole franchise. Abuse at this level is just not entertaining. Bless up, everyone.
Hannah went on an apology tour on the Viall podcast. She said she watched herself and realized she needed to change her personality for the better. She accepted that she came off very harsh and wants to be a better person. She also looked like she slimmed down and has a great new more blonde hair color.
I don't see the issue with Marissa's energy/ bubbly personality. I know genuinely happy people who don't display high energy when they are sick. Is there something else that I am missing?
There was a video on Instagram where one of the twin girls was calling Tyler dad, so no, they don't think he's just their uncle.
I know the producers struck gold, but watching Marissa‘s devastation in real time was not only uncomfortable but it was painful. It lasted a little too long for my comfort. She definitely loved Ramses more than he loved her & her love was forcing her to be blind on certain aspects that showed them to be incompatible (religion, military, sex, etc) . I truly felt bad for her. Ashley decided to tear all the red flags down and make a damn dress smh well, it’s her life not mine lol Taylor and Garrett were set from the beginning so congratulations to them!!
Tyler "the Creator" is a liar and I don't think there is a genuine bone in his body. I think he wanted to be the next Brett and Tiffany. I don't think the love is real for him. He's looking for a come up.
Tyler said in an interview with the Vail Files that he started a new business. I wonder if Ashley helped him fund that business?
Also, I never thought I'd be disappointed to see a black woman get married. This is so embarrassing for Ashley.
Right! It was a wedding, but it felt like a funeral☹️
Hey ladies ❤ I'm not watching the show until the reunion.
Heyyy!💕
Let’s be honest-she was in lust, and it clouded her judgment. Once that oxytocin kicked in, she ignored a lot of real red flags in the relationship. If Marissa continues dating Ramses without the physical aspect, there might be hope for them. But I doubt he’d ever agree to that, so it’s probably a moot point.
It was painful to watch that scene with Marissa. I was yelling "just stop begging him!!!!" 🫣😞oh! I hated that. My heart breaks for her.
Ramses is disingenuous to the core.. I don't believe he ever had any intentions of marrying whomever he was partnered with. Marissa should cut all contact with this man, charge this experience to the game and learn to be less enamored with the fairytale fantasy.
I saw a video with the kids where they call him dad. And it sounded on Bri that the grandmother was involved. The kids would call him dad in all situations, including when the grandmother was there
Tyler's mom knew because she was calling them kids her grandchildren on her facebook, but she scrubbed it clean like tyler did before the show aired.
I was eating a sandwich while watching the Marissa Ramses scene and felt so bad that they were showing us her breaking down. It seemed so intimate and raw and here I am eating my stupid sandwich.
Also Ramses is a selfish and disingenuous person.
Between the unwatchable breakdown and inevitable weddings with one of them being based on lies and deceit…. I just hit fast forward to confirm these dummies said I do and turned it off.
😂😂😂 it was definitely hard to watch this entire episode. Somebody else said this episode could’ve been a footnote lol
I LOVED Ashley's dress, she was gorgeous! My heart was breaking the whole time knowing all the info we know now. I didn't remember Taylor's dress being short either?? I didn't like it at all, but I like them together and think they will be a great couple
Yes, we’re really hoping Taylor and Garrett make it!
Am I the only one who really liked Taylor and Garrett and didn't find them boring 🫣😅
You’re not alone. It was nice to see them being consistent throughout! They were less drama but still interesting
Ramses never had any intentions of getting married. He got some sex out of the situation, then at the last possible moment came up with whatever excuse he could find to get out of it.
Ramses should not have gone on the show having such hesitant on getting married within 2-3 weeks when that is the premise of the show. He also should not have matched with her knowing she has a bubbly high energy personality. She should have matched with the other guy that liked her.
Yall havent been uploading on podcast???
It’s coming! We had a little hiccup there. Thanks for checking!
Question:
Do you believe the martial relationship is paramount to the parent/child relationship?
Many religions prize the husband/wife union over the role of parent.
(The reason I have limited the question to male/female is because they can create a child inside the marriage that is a product of them both).
It just feels like Tyler may value husbandhood more.