USAF F-22 & F-35 vs Russian Su-57 & Su-35: BVR Missile Fight | DCS
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Cam's flying throughout this video was fantastic. Especially when he was defensive against the F-22 in the Su-35 really good stuff and I was amazed he survived as long as he did. Should have more of him in your videos
well in syria russians claim and shown photos of a captured f22 tracked by su35. They showed on our west news. They also claim they are the best stealth but a syrian s200 shot a israel f35, israels claim the f35 hit by bird. Is all over internet news 3 years ago. But you free to believe whatever you want.
Also they are 40 su57 in service and they use them in north ukraine to fly stealthy over air defenses and bombs.
Here a video ruclips.net/user/shorts86dAN3KKbbQ?feature=share
24:57 Grump and Cam awesome flying! Weaving in and out of buildings going for a gun shot was some anime shit right there. 👍
I feel like with the stealths you might as well have an altitude and speed advantage. You don’t need to hide in terrain & you’ll get better missiles if any lower opponent gets close enough to see you.
Yup, this is just silly.
"BVR" but everyone is just hiding behind *buildings* and using super-zoom Mk.II eyeball.
Then again, DCS's poor radar and missile mechanics does incentivise 3rd-gen Vietnam-style flying.
Even peer-to-peer 4th-gen combat, with the official "PFM Modules", devolves into this weird ground-hugging pseudo anti-Fox-2 gameplay.
It's exactly what I'd expect if you just took the 3rd-gen aircraft and their unreliable rear-aspect Fox-2 missiles from the Vietnam era, and simply made them faster, more maneuverable and cooler looking, while keeping the tech and tactics essentially unchanged.
Radar guided Fox-1 missiles are essentially just clones of the Fox-2s, replacing flares with chaff and putting the seeker on the aircraft, but keeping the fundamental tech and tactics the same.
The introduction of Fox-3s into this ecosystem would obviously prove extremely deadly for the ground-huggers (just look at how the playerbase complains about Fox-3s being too good, unfair and 'not fun').
So the Fox-3s were simply given a gamified exploit that allowed those same Vietnam-era tactics to be used against even the fastest, highest Fox-3 launch, thereby nullifying any advantage that building and keeping your energy up, being disciplined and respecting standoff distances, or even just practicing and knowing your timelines, etc. would have given the 4th-gen pilot.
@@mortlet5180 it's a difficult thing as we have to acknowledge that it's a game first and a sim second so it makes me wonder if they should just offer an option on the missles server side for if you want them totally realistic or gameified
@@pottyputter05 What I wouldn't give to have "full-fidelity" missile modules that we could buy.
Yes this could easily be controlled on a per-server basis, but I don't think that's the issue here.
Think about it, IRL Air-to-Air missiles (AAMs) don't need to hit you and they almost never miss by very small distances, like we often see in DCS. This is exactly why missile designers are willing to degrade the kinematics, range and the maneuverability of their missiles so much to put large explosive warheads on (reference the payload in The Rocket Equation), when even just the supersonic missile impact and subsequent internal detonation of 1-2kg of RDX would be enough to neutralize most modern lightweight fighters.
ED pushes to achieve the most "Realism", while actively ignoring any classified information (and even unclassified or declassified info if it didn't come with explicit, verifiable and written permission to publicly disseminate said information).
While this seems sound in principle, in practice they misuse it as an excuse to keep inaccurate or even completely unrealistic things in DCS. They even use it to actively ignore (or in some cases even completely revert it after the fact) multiple, fairly reliable (but not up to their 'standards') sources of information, even when it's obvious that DCS is lacking in that area and that no better source of that specific info is freely available either.
One very visible example of this, as it relates to AAMs in DCS, is Proximity Fusing. It is common knowledge (or at least easily verifiable) that kinetic "Hit-to-Kill" interceptor guidance, compared to using an explosive warhead which only requires guidance to get somewhere within tens to hundreds of meters (depending on warhead size, altitude, etc.) of the target, has been a *much* more difficult and less reliable technique until (arguably) very recently.
However, even with the AAMs we currently have in DCS and all their problems, ED have decided that it is more 'realistic' to have fighters 'defeat' active radar homing missiles, that came to within 15m (~50ft) of them, by literally out turning the missile (not decoying, masking or otherwise confusing the seeker). Sometimes the fighters are even flying so close and parallel to their persuing missiles that it seems like formation flying.
ED insists that this is better and more realistic than having lagging/de-synced players die from a missile that they never saw hitting them.
This doesn't make much sense as players are then able to exploit all manner of network issues (high latency, variable latency, packet drops, duplicate packets, etc.) to get a very significant edge. Indeed this lag-teleporting phenomenon was already widely observed years ago when this topic of proximity fusing was being actively discussed.
Considering the past and current rate of progress on this, I have absolutely no hope of getting even semi-realistic proxy fusing in DCS withh the next 5-10 years. However, if we ever do get it, you can bet that they will nerf the missiles so that the proxy fusing doesn't suddenly result in a much higher Pk or substantially decrease those Hollywood-worthy, high-G near-misses!
@@pottyputter05 Weird how the sim that's so complicated to fly that you'd need a pilot's license to takeoff is gamified in such a way.
Recipe to counter a flat spin: Air brakes deployed, flaps down, landing gear down, rudder opposite to the spin direction, full throttle, cook it with abundant altitude.
Aside from the bugs this turned out to be a really weird one. Su-35 killing F-22 and getting killed by F-35 in dogfight
it also wouldve helped to use chaff while youre trying to "run away" from their radar guided missile haha
@@paradiddlesixix7530 that was weird. Incoming missile and his defensive strat is to try and outrun it?
Did the F35 even get guns on at all? I think the Su-35 killed itself.
@@JelqSmith F-35A has gun
"Mom... can we get an F-22 Raptor?"
"No sweetie, we all ready have one at home..."
**-F-22- at home (Su-57)**
Amazing flying Grump. What's crazy is that's exactly what you see from the Russian pilots from Telegram videos taken by witnesses on the ground. Both their Su-35's and even attack aircraft like their Su-25's are keeping super lower altitudes, and then only pop up to fire, launch a salvo of flares, and hit the deck again. There's actually about 4-5 videos of Su-25's doing this, and I think about 2 of the Su-35's, that I've personally seen. I understand AESA isn't modeled, but people need to realize that Russian and other nations like India who are flying the PESA equipped Sukhoi's & MiG's have been doing training against AESA equipped adversaries, and have still had success, so tactics have been developed and employed. Not to mention the Russians relying on their IRST sensor more than most nations.
Iam prety sure American have exaggerate their planes abilities. Su 35 and 57 have made the best radars to detect stealth from bvr engage. Of course mods in dcs are incomplete. Not a hater and personally i like f22 to much. But russian planes are in another lvl.
@@alekosalekadis6095 I'm pretty sure the SU-57 isn't all that. All development in Russia is full of corruption, so yeah it's going to be very lacking in some aspects. Not to mention there are like 10 of them or something like that.
On the other hand F-22 is being kept under wraps when it comes to some functions. To my understanding they limited the pilots from taking part in international excercises, since the pilots aren't allowed to use all of the plane's abilities when other countries are present. Operating with limited abilities lead to some bad habits forming so they put a stopper on it.
@@LarryJL well in syria russians claim and shown photos of a captured f22 tracked by su35. They showed on our west news. They also claim they are the best stealth but a syrian s200 shot a israel f35, israels claim the f35 hit by bird. Is all over internet news 3 years ago. But you free to believe whatever you want.
Also they are 40 su57 in service and they use them in north ukraine to fly stealthy over air defenses and bombs.
Here a video ruclips.net/user/shorts86dAN3KKbbQ?feature=share
CAP, I was surprised you didn't zoom out to Sea, speed up, let the F-35 draw them in with quick pulses from the radar and then shoot them from the side or rear. The F-22 super cruise would be a big help to get into position before giving up the location. I'll watch the rest of the video and see what happens.
I think the figures that are thrown about the most are F22 with an RCS of 0.0001, F35 at 0.005 and SU57 at 0.1 - 1.
F-35 is stealthier than F-22 according to remarks by Airforce officials
@@mac2857 also it is smaller and if the same or similar paint etc is used, the F35 should habe a significant advantage from several angles
The SU-57 has a larger RCS than that. It's lack of radar-absorbing coating and other issues make it as large as a clean super hornet's
@@cockatoo010 with all due respect is clear you don't know anything about the subject, I recommend you to do your research because firstly the rcs data is classified, not to mention that the rcs changes constantly depending on the angle and the radar wave lenght, and the Su 57 does use composite materials and has an radar absorbing paint.
@@cockatoo010 yeah this is you just hating not facts. Watch the channel combat approved it shows the su 57 in detail
Easy question to answer the one at the end... YES I WANT TO SEE MORE!
Problems aside, it is interesting to also see you try to work around them as well, such as the stuck airbrake :P
Hell yeah! Your on a roll lol did I win a request lottery😆👍
Thanks for doing yet another request! Most appreciated, can't wait to watch!😁✌
I heard a rumor that the Su-57 isn't actually that stealthy at all. I saw a picture of it up close and you could see the rivets holding it together. But hey, when have the Russians ever lied?
Does it really matter ? They have like 3
10 experimental units were produced, each for a different role.
6 were built as a serial unit. The serial units don't have the rivet problem.
I recommend watching "Millennium 7*" channel. Dude has made an hour long video about it.
Those are the prototypes the serial production units have only entered service this year
@@Clarkem1 6 and counting 🤦🏾
Those are the prototypes the serial ones doenst have that. I recommend you watch Milenium 7 and learnd about the topic with objectivity
I’ve been asking growing sidewinder for this but never have them I found you thanks
In the third fight with cap in the felon, I think Cap’s canopy was opened at the very start of the flight. No idea on the speed brake but maybe bad binding.
it was frustrating to watch him with airbrake ON...
Probably just oversped it on his way down from ~45 000ft.
DCS: I am the greatest and most accurate flight sim on the planet !
Also DCS: Don't forget to blow your canopy when you get into a dogfight so you can hear when the enemy aircraft shoots at you...
@@rags417 i mean, theyre community generated mods, right?
Re-Re-Match Please! Excellent scenario! Herculean effort!
(and yes, I stopped getting all of my favorite RUclips videos, until I switched it from "personalized" to "all" too, so you're not just imagining it)
"Grump doesn't have a stealth fighter"
Doesn't matter in DCS since ED has not clue what stealth means in regard to low observables aircraft.
EW and ATC radar have no problem seeing stealth fighters (the tails B2 is a different story). Radar that is accurate enough for fire control has a big problem seeing (and targeting) stealth aircraft.
Also, the SU-57 is loaded with right angles that render it no more stealthy than an F16.
And then there is the US doctrine of using the F22 and F35 going radar silent, the F35 finds targets with its EO sensors, F22 fires missiles in the direction provided by the F35 which then datalinks the missiles to the targets. No radar required at any point. But as that is a technology from the last 20 years I don't expect ED to understand that. Heck they still have AGM-88 acting like AGM-45, going stupid when the radar is turned off and ignoring their INS.
DCS is a really good attempt at a flight simulator, but they have cut too many corners for it to be considered realistic. They should give their aircraft fantasy names and stop trying to push them off as the real thing. Flight models are accurate enough, but damage modeling is too generic across aircraft and weapon systems are buffed or nerfed to make it not really matter.
I mean you can't really complain about it when you use modded aircraft. None of the vanilla planes have stealth so there is no point in ED wasting time programming more detail. I with GR would use less mods as 99% of the time it's just a janky mess.
are you going to pull a "challenger" and release classified material on how stealth in those fighters work?
aspect matters, hard to model in a sim
TBH stealth is only roughly modelled in game at moment.
@@Kevin-hb7yq Not really. Aspect is already calculated as part of rasterization of the plane's meshes when drawing each frame and the angle of each surface is already calculated for lighting. The only reason why it probably isn't done already is because there isn't much of a point as it won't change gameplay at all.
Despite the technical issues.. this was REALLY intense
Hey Cap,
Have you seen the community F-35 mod? What are your thoughts on it? If I may, any chance you could reach out to them and see if they’d let you showcase it? Its been in the works for years and looks great. Miles ahead of the VSN one we use now. Interesting video as always, hope you and the misses are doing well.
PS; a short video on getting the R-77M working for the Su-35 would really help some of us less .lua gifted people out ;)
Will try this now but I doubt we'll get anything. I haven't done anything to get R77M working BTW, it just works as default for us?
LOVE YA CAP! Keep up the good work!
The problem with this is no one has an objective to go after. Can you imagine the non stealth plane flying around in buildings when he has something he needs to attack or defend. The stealth planes wouldn't fly anywhere near him in real life. They would go do their mission while he played around in the buildings.
What if the mission is to reduce enemy air capability to zero?
@@Laerei If he played around in the buildings while they were bombing his base or fuel depot or ammo dump he would be useless. Just like he had no air capability. He would have to come out to play or lose everything.
Wish the mod creator of the F-35 would update the flight model. We know now (from video evidence, and estimated sustained then rate and AOA) that the F-35 pulls higher AOA than an F-18, and sustains tighter turns than an F-16.
Wtf ,f35 outrates the f16 ? No way
This 1000%, there's a video of an F35 pulling the same loop into flat spin physics witchcraft that the F22 can w/o vectoring, albeit a little less nimbly. The thing is just so capable that I think people are in a state of disbelief; I imagine if it were accurately modeled it might get a little unfair tho
@@forzaelite1248 any plane can enter a flat spin , it just depends on weather it can get out of it or not , some can and some cannot and those high alpha maneuvers depends on its speed n sht
@@hemendraravi4787 yeah I should've probably specified post stall maneuvering and recovery but it can do it at will whereas before a flat spin was grounds for an eject, not quite sure about it out-rating the F16 but with the engine and tech available it shouldn't be too hard to beat what we've done before
@@manuelpiston Highly doubt that considering that the major problem pilots had with the F-35 is that it loses a lot of energy in turns
Ahhhh, I love watching good pilots just getting at it
Tries to outrun a missile in an F-22. Flys too high without O2 on and blacks out. Accidently blows the canopy mid fight. Launches missile too low and blows up own plane. Fun to watch but not sure how good the pilots were lmao
And the SU57’s dcs busted damage model strikes again.
Yeah idk why they test a model that eats missiles
very cool fight!! it looks like a black out due to too many G forces
More of these please :) dog fights in the city are scary! :)
Recent thing i learned about the su-57 is it has nearly the same indentical side profile as a yf-23. The russians definitly were checking out those yf-23s when we had them just sitting out in the sun. We should of atleast put them indoors. But its stealth profile from the rear is basically non existant on the su-57. And thats where the YF-23 excels over any fighter, basically to this day. Its giant tails that were the size of an f-35 wing alone gave them impressive performance without the need of vectoring. And the flat underside also helped. They were going mach 1.8-2.0 while the raptor hit 1.56 tops.
Has the side profile of a stealthy su-27 actually so the yf-23 was conceived with the su-27 profile in mind
@@lastknownjedi5119 I doubt that, its a completely new design made from a computer. I know this for a fact. Its a diamondwing completely unique frame, still to this day, basically a 6th gen airframe made in the 80s.
- The thing about side profile and YF-23 being left in the sun makes no sense.
- Thrust vectoring will always be better for maneuvers, especially at low speed, when wings don't receive enough air.
- The YF-23 tails were so big because they combined vertical and horizontal surfaces. In plan view, they look normally sized.
- No point in going faster than the F-22, since stealth coatings degrade with high speed temperatures.
Doesn't matter actually, when it boils down to it, there are only so many ways to solve a problem.
Just look at the C-5 Galaxy and AN-124, they look very similar from the side profile, but the same mission requirements dictated their aesthetics before they even could get to adding the instrumentation and engines.
Same with the "Checkmate" and F-35 as well as the Korean "Baby F-22"
no , they have gone their own path , just like the usa they experimented with various forms across the years. the chinese J20 though is suppposedly based on the Mig1.44 , i mean they bought one of the prototypes.
That grey out was cool effect
Finally a worthy opponent
the real strenght in the f35 is that there are more f35s then all the other 5thgen combined
Yeah I think the US operates like over 300 at this point while Russia can barley put together a single squadron of SU-57s last I heard.
@@WalrusWinking Only China can try to match the US with their J-20. But who knows if the J-20 is capable.
@@TerraZetzz I mean the F-22 has capabilities that the pilots are not allowed to use in combat exercises with allies and NATO countries. From what I've observed Eastern countries will OVERSTATE the capabilities of their equipment while Western countries ESPECIALLY America will UNDERSTATE the capabilities of their equipment and be way more secretive about it. For a historical example look at the MIG-25 and how pathetic this war in Ukraine has been so far with big bad Russia. The J-20 could very well be the exact same. Because the specs I've seen about that thing look utter fantasy at least the B model and in my opinion could probably be like a child trying to wear daddy's boots. Is it smart to underestimate them? No. And the U.S. is not underestimating them, but just like China's GDP they're more in likely overstating the significance.
Now there is 4 stunning looking aircrafts.
Cap in the flanker I think would be better cause he dogfights like it’s natural he moves and just performs while he is planning in the stealth he over thinks to much and it cost him
Su 35 isnt a stealth aircraft but should be a lot harder to detect and lock anyway because of EW and still relativily low RCS
The broken airbrake and oxygen system on the Felon are just modeling Russian build quality.
Lol so true.
Russia has neither the time nor the money to build QUALITY things.
'Good Enough' is fine for them.
Over optimization is the root of all evil. Ask Nazi Germany.
more like this videogame quality))
@@stalinliberator464 DCS is the most realistic military flight sim. And just cause your a commie don't mean you get to say that Russia builds quality planes.
@@AV8-tur What planes have they built aren't good aircrafts, in the past 20 years. Also, Russia isn't communist.
I love how in round 2 the round was over but they just didn't tell you 😂
that was fun to watch
@34:50 Why was Cap so mad that he made a sonic boom? What's the disadvantage of creating one in a dog fight? And I'm so sorry if I ask these questions, but I'm trying my best to learn what's going on in these simulations. 👍 p.s. thnx Cap for the editorial vid you sent me on the HUD.
when aircraft made sonic boom it created a massive "cloud" around it (from sub sonic speed to super sonic speed), this is model in the game, so if some one (the enemy team) by chance saw that "cloud" they would know some one is there, it basically says to every one "Hey! I'm here, point your radar at me!"
@@somsokca7836 of courses, know it makes perfect sense. Forgot about all those cool cloud burst IRL. Thnx so much for taking time to explain that. Be well. 🍻
Cap wasn’t mad he made one. He got worried because he heard one meaning the enemy was supersonic and just went right over it next to cap.
@@saulhannibal3819 yep this ^ is exactly what I thought. He was more like "oh shit an enemy aircraft just went right past me and I don't have visual".
Video idea: "How many drunk toddlers would it take to defeat a platoon of French Foreign Legionnaires?"
Su-57 in another video makes me happy, It's interesting to see the change in approaches made to combat the stealth factor the tactics of using the Su-35 as bait and the buildings as cover is smart forcing the opposition close in for the Felon to intercept from the side to rear. I think if the F-35 stood off and let the raptor engage the Su-35 it's superior radar will help track the Felon especially if it gives its rear its lowest stealth aspect. overall good fight and great video keep em coming
Well the SU-57 is buffed in this mod, not to mention the Su-57 isnt a stealth plane. And the F-22 is also nerfed for 'Balance' Im not sure why considering this is SIM but ask the mod creators not me. Im not sure about the F-35, havent looked at the mod
@@kohlshu8979 I know the jets aren't accurate by any means but working with what they have at hand it was still was a commendable fight, Irl Su-57 has stealth aspects but not on the level of the F-22 and F-35 but it still has stealth qualities. If this was a accurate fight the F-22 and F-35 would've at best max ranged both the Su-35 and Su-57 at worst knock them out at 10 miles.
The first production model of SU 57 has slightly improved its RCS by applying 30% RAM coating on it and the RCS of around of SU 57 which is actually an (serial production) around 0.01m2 as the size of the human fist. But still it not as stealthy as F22 and F35 which has the RCS of around 0.005m2 and 0.00015m2. But remember the SU 57 has a stealth features which might help to undetect in a Long Visual Range.
@@heatblast876 Source?
Kohlshu all over the internet. Do some research. People complaining or saying “the SU57 isn’t stealth lol” or “my raptor will eat it before it ever sees it coming” is just wrong. Most times it is young children saying “my stealth jet will beat up your stealth jet”
Bell clicked and all'ed. Happy flying.
new to dcs but 35 low flight kill was hellla epic
Cam did well avoiding grumps fire as long as he did
yup
The Super Flanker going low the to the buildings (if memory serves me right) is like the Harrier's in Falkland war staying low to fight forcing the enemy Mirage to go down to fight them. Cause if the Harrier went up to the optimal altitude for the Mirage they would have lose.
The Flanker should have stayed high and way back and just kept illuminating the Yanks to keep them guessing while the Felon maneuvered to nail them as they went hunting the (non-existant) Flanker in the city.
Flanker could only see the US planes within 10 miles.
Gonna sit back and wait for a "Survive the Pirouette" challenge. Or Cap does ballet examples. (grin)
Can we vote on Cap's tutu 'skin/colours"?
Would pay
@@randalljones4370 A10 wings and engines on his little boots?
@@greylensman2834 Bless his Nomex socks.
Do the Aim-120D's no longer work?
Nope. I'll try find someone in mod community to fix them.
What was that merge from the su-35? I see the pilot attended the Prometheus school of running away in a straight line.
Every time I hear, "You have done very well." I think of Young Mr. Grace front Are You Being Served?.😁
May I ask what program is this simulation run on.
do you know of any new or latest mods for the F22 and F35, I recently downloaded DCS and have tried to load the F22 and F35 but has not worked
That super flanker pilot thought GG's
is the data link on the F35 and F22 working in sim as the 35's main strength is to Bird dog for a missile truck to kill.
yeah I feel like F35 plus F15EX would be the actual comparison here if everything in DCS was like the real world
The 22 should see everything the 35 sees and vice versa but I guess DCS doesn’t have that
both the F22 and F35 have the FC3 F15 Avionics in dcs
@@Mystical922 I mean, how many of these videos can't just be summed up as "how shitty is DCS's implementation of [x]"?
@@williamhumber5890 I mean they got one clean round off before it fell apart do to stupid stuff and really dumb trigger happy tactics probably DCS and human error
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F22 turning your back on the SU-35 was not a good idea at all.
I think this definitely deserves to be redone there should be no mistakes and a winner definitely has to be declared I honestly would suggest replacing the SU-35 with the J-20
duly noted.
Hearing you through Grumps speakers, make you sound younger.
I can live with that...
Dam air breaks messed you up man
The link for the Su-35 isn't working anymore. Is there another way to get the Mod?
We have an old version of the mod but have been asked not to share until it's re-released sry.
About the running out of O2 at 21:00, do you think the plane decompressed?
Would love to see f22, f15ex. Vs su35, su57. Stealth and max fire power!!
Capt we changed the hat today and she likes it - all is well.
Did you get the $ back from old one I hope?
No it cost more 😪
It’s not BVR if you guys can see each other
If I was on the Russian side, I'd use the "Felon" as a sniper (staying low), and the "Flanker" as bait. Never thought I'd see air to air urban combat!!
I've been bugging for a F-35 Lightning VS SU-57 BVR Fight although I heard it wouldn't make sense because they both have the exact same stats in terms of stealth and that the FELON would dominate if they were to make it to a merge, however this fight makes a little more sense!
In dcs yes but irl not even close
In IRL the RCS of the F-35 puts the SU-57 to shame
In real life the SU-57 is apparently massive relative to other stealth aircraft. This is just what I've heard tell me if I'm wrong.
@@WalrusWinking similar to a normal F-16
@@jurajsintaj6644 Yeah lil but the SU-57 is SUPPOSED to be stealth lol
Hi, i’m looking for the Su57 mod, i followed your link and it seem to be moved to the trash. Please retore it if you don’t mind. Thanks very much.
We love Captain Grump!
You've just fired a missile at a target within 10 miles.... they have used the terrain to evade it..... do you A) Turn and run (bearing in mind they can probably visually see you now) or B) Use the terrain yourself..... I guess we know the answer now! Thanks for clearing that one up Cap!
Also...tactically.... a 20 mile split pincer would have been a better move, pinging the F-35's radar on and off to draw in the two SU's with the 22 flanking
How does the missle track a stealth plain
Stick forward, right rudder and power.
Grump's pretty damn good...lol
Are you doing a tutorial series on the f1?
Yup as soon as I get a chance next week.
Is there a way to install the su-35
We have an old version of the mod but have been asked not to share until it's re-released sry.
you should mention in the title or description that said planes are mods , people might get the imperssion that this stuff is official
Ok will add what now.
@@grimreapers thanks
I'm surprised they don't use guidance from ground-based low-frequency radar to get missiles within [their own high-frequency radar] lock-on range.
Cus low frequency radar can only tell you that there's SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE, and that's about it. And any communication between surface-to-air missiles and ground radar, would just give away the location of the ground radar. This is all 70 year old technology. There's nothing new here. There's really nothing involved in stealth technology or missile technology, that wasn't widely known to everyone in the scientific community in the 1940's.
@@ashscott6068 Don't you know where the ground radar is anyway? (I thought lf-radars were generally left on all the time) and I think they're accurate to around 100 meters (correct me if I'm wrong) so not enough to target an aircraft, but certainly enough to point a fox3 in the right direction.
@@gail_blue I think the positional accuracy of those big low frequency radars is a lot worse than 100m so it might be enough to vector a plane into the vicinity of a stealth jet, but not enough accuracy for a missile. The other problem is that those radars are very big and not particularly mobile so they make easy to find targets that would be prime candidates for cruse missile strikes and SEAD missions in the opening hours of a conflict.
Very scuffed, but very interesting.
i’m no ordie but i’m pretty sure if we were flying stealth with air superiority payload, an F-35 in reality would be carrying 2 aim-9s and 4 aim-120s which i don’t think is bad but i was only an avionics maintainer and never really studied the radar cross section with specific payloads
Lol I said fire as you got him lol
Raptor/Felon pilots should be up at 50,000ft supercruising with their radars aimed down. and Yeah Felon is closer to 0.5m than 0.005m RCS
In real life yes, but in game they wouldn't be able to see the Felon up that high.
Great video tbh. Very descriptive of reality, like the issues with f22 missile launches
So, will we ever get a Grim Reapers vs. Growling Sidewinder+LongShot crossover?
It's just no poss, we do our fights so differently.
@@grimreapers
Ah, understandable and it's not surprising from the different video formats.
Thanks for the explanation. 🐈⬛
Anyone know at 19:50 what that was that just fell past the jey
You didn't seem to mention to subscribe to all notifications for the grim reapers 2 channel as well...
For some reason GR2 isn't struggling.
Fun to watch video. However in real life I think both Russian jets would go down by a missile hit by a jet that never showed up on their radar screen. They would be left wondering where the jet was located that fired that missile.
What are your qualifications / research / combat experience to give this statement? Or just your feelings?
@@dylan4972 Russian technology is often old and out of date. USA has the latest tech and a lot of stealth jets.
@@timmyburden5701 the SU-57 is a 5th gen fighter with current gen stealth and is super maneuverable. The SU-35 would absolutely be prey for the F22 unless it can get within range to find it, but the SU-35 is better in every way to the F35 other than stealth. So I really don't think it would be that easy.
@@dylan4972 I mean you could be right. I still feel that the su57 would have a difficult time getting any good lock on a f35 beyond visual range. I do think the su57 is very maneuverable in a close dog fight. India tried out a su57 and they were not impressed. The su57 does look cool.
I said fuc yah as you said F-35 down lol
Bruh, he went full ace combat on your ass. Said to hell with those civilians, imma use buildings as my jammer
Good thing the over g doesn’t cause tunnel vision or black out
8:20 why didnt cap pop flares here?
I just didn't think he would be chasing me.
Airbrake stuck on? "This is not bug, this is feature of SU-57!"
Ooof, well, this one was painful to watch
I know nothing but isn't the 57 only stealth from front on?
why are you guys not supersonic and higher altitudes in bvr fights? this is exactly the opposite of what would really be happening irw most likely
Problem is if you do that, you can't detect the Su-57 if it's low down and shooting up.
Does cap script his mistakes? I feel like some of his piloting is just very weirdly thought out.
Yeh it's annoying but you will see some mistakes on GR, it's the bad thing about recording it live.
Before watching this, I can of think this is an uneven match up. 2 stealth crafts vs 1 stealth and 1 normal, as much as I love the Flanker, it is an awesome aircraft, stealth alone states it should be targeted and shot down, way before it gets anywhere near the F-22 and F-35 to take a shot. As much I would to watch the Russian's piss all over the USA, in this match, having 2 aircraft that can close to serious distance with out being ''seen'' is too much of an advantage.
The SU-57, either flies formation with the flanker, in which case, it's position is known from a great distance, or it bugs out and leaves the flanker in which case, the flanker should be shot down in minutes, leaving a 2 v 1 case.
EDIT: Ok I take that back. The flanker, that was some damn good flying, thought those buildings, impressive.
Sorry to break your communist bubble, but Russia would be the one getting pissed on in any real war scenario. There isn't a country on the planet powerful enough to "piss on" the U.S. #1 baby.
F-22 could have beat them all...
Bad pilot... 😆 lol
Great video love it..!!
in the near future it be a su 57 and su75 vs f22 and f35
Hit that bell, m8.
Should've had the J-20 instead of the SU-35
J-20 and J-16 VS SU-57 and SU-35 BVR!👍
Noted.
@@grimreapers hell yeah, thanks Cap!😁✌
@@grimreapers not trying to bother you😅 Also very much looking forward to this Request--
U.S. Carrier Fleet 3rd* rematch VS Russian Carrier Fleet! U.S. Carrier Fleet has additional Iowa Class Battleship and LHA Amphibious Assault Ship with F-35's and Helicopters! U.S. Carrier has half F-18's and half F-14's!Please have F-18's take off first! Please have The Iowa Class Battleship next to The Carrier and Helicopters on Support Ships! Plus Human Pilots starting in flight with SU-34's and Super Hornet's!
Do you guys play it in VR?
About 50% of the GR guys do.
he's setting a trap in the buildings and Im not going to fall fo..boom
Am I high, or should the Su-57 have been dead in round 1? The missile exploded right next to it, a clear hit, and he was still flying around.
Even if the plane survived, the pilot wouldn't.
lol you new to dcs? plenty of video shown missile hit and the jet still flight, even when tac view said that jet is dead.
@@somsokca7836 I've been playing DCS for years, I rarely see an aircraft survive a direct hit from an Aim-120. If It did, it was a larger aircraft. The Felon just isn't modeled correctly. They said in the video that the Felon is taking more missiles than it should to bring down.
@@OverlordAntares I see fw-190's survive direct hits from aim-7 and aim-120's
20:55 your pilot ran out of oxygen, thats why the view is so weird
hmm
@@grimreapers if u dont trust me cap, take the viper to angels 40 and shut ur O2 system of😂