Eurofighter & Gripen vs Foxhound & Super Flanker: BVR Missile Fight | DCS
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I wonder how the fight would turn out if the Gripens fight nose-cold in BVR like they are designed to do... they use the locks of 1 gripen to aim all others, and the new Gripen E's extensive jamming capability (highest powered jamming system on any fighter)
Such things we probably will never know unfortunately. I've read some things about Gripens doing well in Nordic air combat exercises and acting like AWACS for other models, but you can't know for sure ofc
Going on my 2nd month of owning DCS and the one thing I have learned is the most valuable commodity is situational awareness. You can have the fastest jet, the best missiles, the most fuel and ammo and it's worthless if you don't know what's going on around you. Worthless. Especially if you set the F10 map to fog of war. Can't cheat then. I got smoked in an F-16C by an old Mig 17 because I lost track of him but he didn't lose track of me. Granted it's the AI set to Veteran I am fighting against, but the point is still valid. Know what's going on around you first. All the other tactics then can be used.
This video series is really good. Definitely shows the benefits of AWACS and data link
How about f15EX and f35 vs some Chinese fighters? Seems like that’s going to be the American frontline going forward
Su 35 and j20
Would be a super cool fight, but the f-15ex isent in the game yet, its in its beta phase and prob gonna release soon
Still trying to get Aim-120D working on the F-15EX in game.
@@master_shifu4208 There’s a simple F-15EX mod which is in turn based off of the F-15E VSN mod which is a slight modifications of the FC3 F-15C in game. I think you might be thinking of Razbam’s F-15E (full fidelity) which has been claimed to release later this year but we’ll see about that.
Great video once again, thank you.
A few comments. USAF jets and a lot of NATO jets are designed with reduced radar cross sections via both specific design choices and overall size as you stated. In addition, older 4th gen. US jets are painted with radar absorbing materials, although I have no real idea of how effective or similar it is compared to the materials applied to the F-35 for example. Overall, I believe this would play a factor in real-world engagements and not necessarily by avoiding being seen on enemy radar screens, but more difficulty in acquiring a lock strong enough for the missile to fire. Low RCS plus a large emphasis placed on electronic warfare/jamming by NATO air assets are a very troubling combo, and per Russian performance in Ukraine with their jets being unable to fly at altitude consistently as a result of UA IADS, being shot down at low-levels by MANPADS, and even the latest Russian variants have been shot down by friendly-fire on several occasions (I'd guess way more often than they should be considering the limited number of daily sorties).
This, combined with the fact they are simply unable to obtain anything close to air superiority versus the 12th largest military worldwide, which happens to be just over their own border, leads me to conclude the Russian jets are underperforming compared to pre-war expectations and also when compared to how effective most western military analysts (professionals) thought the Russian AF would perform, which was very well.
One common complaint on the F-22 and several other US jets is the lack of an infrared sensor that's found on most Russian models. The US now has this sensor included in a targeting/sensor pod, including a version of the pod in a specific stealth configuration with a stealth pylon made specifically for the F-22. The F-22 is also still slated to receive that long-awaited helmet-mounted HUD per the last update I read, but it is well overdue by now.
My request: USAF F-15C and F-16C versus two equivalent Russian variants, with the missile loadouts adjusted to roughly equivalent models/ranges due to the current AIM-120D bug (however, I don't think DCS allowed the 120D to be mounted to these models, or at least the F-15 if I recall?).
Roger thanks.
Yeah that would be insane! :D F16 and F15 vs Russian counterparts in BVR. Very very good idea!
"This, combined with the fact they are simply unable to obtain anything close to air superiority versus the 12th largest military worldwide" where is ukrainian air forces lol?
Ive spent a lot of time going against the Mig 31 in the F16, the key is staying low to fool the Mig 31 radar then come up from underneath.
i'm hoping for the double rails to be added to the eurofighter
they'll allow it to carry 14 meteors(iirc)
The Eurofighter is coming as a main module, so probably there?
@@patricktho6546 i hope so
the issue there might be that no country has fielded that missile rack yet(afaik)...
14? christ
@@grimreapers yup, 14. it was an official picture by the Eurofighter company which showed 4 double racks on one eurofighter equipped with 14 meteors in addition to 2 IRIS-Ts labeled "beast mode"
@@zahnatom Hell, you just need one of those loitering, then a couple scout planes flying around to tell it what the hell to unload its mass weaponry at lol
Yay another GR video! I get so hyped
I knew that that the Eurofighter will get both of them. I knew it! This is what the video what I was asking for like 2 months from an another RUclipsr who doing the same videos okay almost the same, BVR fights, dogfights etc. but for some reason he never done it. So THANK YOU for doing this fight. I was finally able to see this BVR fight from You guys and I was pretty sure that the Eurofighter can easily handle both Russian fighters in BVR. Thank you for the video, very nice job!
If you really want an actual simulation for something might happen you should make radars and missiles in their actual range and you should add the jammers
Thanks for the brilliant rematch
Great vid Capt!
Interesting! Thanks GR
I see him! I see him! Shoot!! Shoot!!
...cleans screen...
never-mind.
🤣
That was very interesting 👍
New rim greaper video let’s gooo
Im a rim greaper
Definitely something going on if SU35 can spot Raptor at 20nm and can't spot a Gripen or a Typhoon. Although the russian radars are a bit funky to use in game. Don't fancy these mod plane fights they're just too janky everytime for technical reasons. Otherwise good stuff
They did spot the Gripen and Typhoon, but more at 40-50km. Where’s as the NATO plans more like 100km. It was certainly an interesting fight and shows the importance of RCS funny enough
Yeh trying to fix the F-22 detection problem.
@@k-ron7403 True. Although the Gripen and Typhoon shouldn't be that much different in RCS (with payload) afaik excluding the front aspect companed to 4th gen fighters, except especially the Gripen is really small. Not sure if DCS gives only one generic RCS number for the airframes or is aspect also taken into account. Anyway mods are mods and ED gets it wrong sometimes too.
@@SatanTwister well the eurofighter is 70% carbon fibre and 12% GRP... that and the S shaped engine intakes definitely add towards its lower RCS
This ought to be quite entertaining 👍👊👊🍻
not sure how realistic this is but in a game that i play the eurofighter is an absolute UNIT and can carry 7 JASSM missiles (2k lbs per missile) AND 6 ASRAAM missiles, it is also capable of taking off and landing on a carrier with all of those missiles and full fuel
Isn't a very realistic game then hahahaha a carrier capable Eurofighter. Good one
Lemme guess, Neo Warfare X
Outstanding!! Loved the video!! Are al these mods still available? Last I knew they were locked or not working.
All are avail I believe apart from su-35, we have a private version of that.
Hahaha , I lost it at [10 Minutes Later]
But yeah, I guess there is something to be say for being "sneaky". it's not stealth, but at range it's stealthy enough.
Say, is there a certain RCS value for the radars to be able to lock on. say it need an RCS of 1 to be able to lock on. One should be able to work out the effective range of a radar vs a plane that way. Or,, with the data you guys already have, workout that value for a specific radar.
@@TeenTeenFpv Yes, that is the value I want to figure out, if possible.
If we know the RCS of the plane, and we figure out how far away the radar can see it, and lock on to the plane, we can figure out how much RCS the radar need to see the plane. And by that roughly figure out how far away it can detect other planes, if we know their RCS.
Of course in reality,, that's not gonna work, but this is DCS.
My prediction: Russia. Because in video games corruption and quality control aren't real.
Yet they’re beating you. Explain that to me please.
Yes!
great fights
In less than 24h we could see a real live Chinese airforce vs American airforce fight. Shall be interesting.
Lower RCS usually trumps large transmission power and large receiving surface.
Quotient between RCS and rx surface / tx power between fighters do not make up for a 10x RCS.
Hi can you do a video on how good the f35 meshes with the other current US fighters?? Like the f15 or f22
Hb Two heavily exported aircraft ;) F-35 and Rafale VS SU-35 and MIG-31👍
How would he know?
Our planes in game are pretty basic but will try.
F-35 and YF-12 VS Two MIG-31's/R-37M's BVR👍
Kap pumped gentleman's relish all over Simba's face.
Simpsons jokes are the best, seymour butts, amanda lovinkiss...
agreed
timeless
Brilliant entertainment as ever. Do you have a tornado mod?
No sadly
The Tornado F3 was a terrible fighter. It could barely operate above 30k ft. It should have stayed as a ground attack aircraft.
Wonder how these mods would work if the FC3 missile warnings were off unless the jet had an irl MWS
I think all these planes have MWS IRL?
the eurofighter definitely has MWS
if its the British version, it should even have LWS so those cheeky sukhois couldn't even sneak up with their EO which uses a laser range finder to... well... measure range. The Gripen apparently also has MWS, so does the Su-57. I dont know about the SU-35. the su-57 and gripen use a passive missile approach warning system unlike the eurofighter which uses an active one meaning that at even in low vis scenarios or situations where the missile isn't clearly distinguishable from the background(through IR or UV) the eurofighter could still detect it.
i don't know, how the MWS in FC3 works exactly, but also a RWR can detect radar guided missiles, because the Fox-3 have their own active radar and for a Fox-1 the attacking aircraft has to send a continous radar signal, indicating a lock. Fox-2s shouldn't be recognized by it.
Hey Cap, can you guys do a mission (setup) that shows if Planes with BAGS on them, when they do Air to Air refueling does it fill the BAGS as well.
As far as I am aware ALL planes fill these bags when AAR. I stand to be corrected.
@@grimreapers LOL Cap, I setup a mission with 2 F14B's. One AAR used a 2 basket plane, both F14's connected for about 3 + minutes disconnected when on their way, That same flight they vectored to a S3 Viking - Single Basket. One plane connected, took long time to fill, no sure it was internet tanks or all 2/3 bag. Plane disconnected and they continue to their 4th way point, I was like, HEY what about your wingmen, Hell with him huh...
I could have been a pilot if it wasn't for all those switches and nobs.
agree
I could have been a pilot if i didn't have short legs!
Smaller jets = less fuel, yes? In a real NATO/Russia war there would be a good chance AWACS and Tankers would have been taken out in the first hours of a serious Russian attack, so the ever present "BINGO fuel" would have to be an ever present factor that the Russian forces could use to their advantage. Like in that last fight, CAP would not be able to press ahead with the intercept because of his fuel levels, correct??
Not really because some jets scouts AWACS and Tankers just like in Vietnam or Iraq.
Yeah Russian planes don't need fuel like stupid NATO planes
The AWACS and tankers would just be sitting unprotected near the front lines waiting to be attacked, right?
@@Rover200Power AWACS and tankers are a corner stone of Western military projection. These are major assets that the West rely on for mission success. They need long runways to take off and land on. This limits the number of bases that they can be stationed at. Satellite imagery can easily confirm their location. Cruise missiles can do the rest. Meaning at that point Western aircraft will need to take off with full fuel loads thus smaller weapons loadouts and shorter range missions. Hopefully the Grim Reapers can wargame this scenario some time in the future. It would be interesting to see how it plays out.
@@jamesclimie4825 as CAP has pointed out several times, Russian aircraft are bigger and can hold a lot more internal fuel than their Western equivalents. Thus unrefueled longer range missions. If the Russians/Chinese were to take out the West's reliance on air to air refueling it would surely have an impact on mission planning. The Su-27 for example flew from Russia to the Farnborough Airshow one year on internal fuel only. The F-35, because of its small size and internal weapons bay is heavily reliant on air to air refueling for mission success.
Whoo goe Typhoon
Atleast Meteor + Gripen hits somewhere, other than f-22 and aim-120D´s. Has anyone btw tried last ones lately? Think aim-120d is totally broken for now. Atleast shot from F22A (Grinelli).
I can't get AIM-120D to work from any plane for last few months.
I’ve also had this problem to some extent, probably due to one of the open beta patches messing with .lua compatibility. Hopefully Grinelli will address this in an update or something
Informative as always! If you haven't already, could you try to save Nancy on her little island hopping trip from those evil yellow mongrels?
ok
I am very new to dcs and was wondering how you got the eurofighter typhoon
Good. Now do it with
Dassault rafale & eurofighter Typhoon vs
Mig 31 & su 35.
The Wingwing ads just keep getting worse lmao. I didn't think it could be any less enticing than when they had the guy with the speech impediment do it, but that ear rape music is unreal.
You need to understand the R-37 missile little bit. You dont really need to pick up the enemy aircraft in your in the MiG-31 you can just fire that missile into the expected direction at high altitudes, and the missile itself going to find the bandit very easily.
There's no way you'd have missed him. Even at 0.1 sq mtr RCS, the Irbis on the Su-35 would catch the Gripen at 50- 80 nm (depending on the specs you want to go for).
Hi cap, can you do f-14b variant and f-16c variant VS mig 29 and su-27 or su-30?
It seems to be fairly equal
@@TeenTeenFpv yes indeed but in most cases both sides would not know what they are fighting until contact.
Pilot skills is a very important factor.
Lol I still think you should use The Rafale ;)
F-35 and Rafale VS MIG-31 and SU-35👍
F-35 would probably kill them especially when the AIM 260 comes out and is added
@@Mystical922 whenever that's going to happen lol AIM 260 isn't even in service yet. As is I think it'd be a entertaining fight, when The AIM 260 is added then yes One F-35 would likely smoke both Planes!
@@Anarchy_420 if your good enough you can do it with the 120 the stealth but you can’t waste missiles or your finished. In real life the F-35 would smoke the 2 of them easily. AIM-260 is going swimmingly according to the airforce and all we know is minimum specs of 200 KM range likely much longer.
@@Mystical922 closer to 300km 180 miles ;)
@@Anarchy_420 I figured but all stats are worst case scenarios due to third party testing that verifies only the worst performance so that we don’t embellish like Russia and China
Cap how come you have the su-35 mod is there a new download link?
Round 3 : so good you played it twice! :D
(check video description)
3:37 would it be unfair in the same way irl, or just some mod-stuff?
There are a few stuff that’s missing , jammers , awacs , sam sites etc
Mod stuff, some of their jammers are not working so would be unfair in game if we only used the jammers that are working.
no idea about RL TBH.
In a BVR fight, the results would always be the same Euro tech/training/tactics will knock every single Foxhound and Flanker out of the sky with 0 losses due to combat. Britain & Sweden alone could take out the entire Russian Airforce, without a single hull loss.
no fuckin way. makes no sense
Eh, modern militaries are still pretty decent at crashing their own aircraft without necessarily any help, so I wouldn't just go assuming a 0 loss lol. Nevermind outlier examples in history, like the F117 that was shot down - that was certainly "not supposed to happen".
Modern NATO militaries - exceedingly potent? Absolutely! Flawless? Hardly.
S-400 ALONG WITH S-300V4 WILL SHOOT DOWN 60% OF NATO JETS AT 200 KM AWAY
yeah sure budy, grow up
@@RyTrapp0 I did specify 0 losses due to combat ;)
Valued mooers.
What about a Gripen NG? It could carry op to 10/11 Meteors!!
who`s first on altitude +meteor+radar section ... bye bye mig .....
And she said...20:23
Why tf is your in-cockpit engine sound the same as the external one?
If we're talking about NATO's premium fighters, shouldn't we include Rafale F3R and F-35? Both of these aircraft have arguably better radar and targeting systems that Eurofighter and Gripen
Why dont you use Rafale together with Eurofighter ?
Having some probs with the Rafale mod working in game.
@@grimreapers i hope they Will be resolved soon
How about trying the Chinese J-11 and J-20 against the Russians? Might be interesting.
ok
@@grimreapers Great, thanks, looking forward to it ❤
telling a mig31 to go low sounds so stupid to me. hes a mach 3 interceptor lol. Have the su go fast up front while holding the mig out back then when the enemy is close(su baiting for the mig) you can pounce on them with better missile and mach 3 speed.
You cant be serious with those su35 lcd dials. They look like a toy.
Couldn't you get the raffale an actual heavy fighter instead of the grippen?
yes
you wonder, how many of these super-super-super missliles russia actually has or can afford in the real world. Especially when you talk about fighting Nato.
It reminds me of their famous new best tank in the world, that no battlefield has ever seen so far.
Except that R-37 and R-77-1 are extensively used in ukraine
Absolutely, especially since they turned out to be such garbage in Ukraine
@@user-qn3xu5ee3t Almost every piece of footage I’ve seen of Russian jets shows quite light loadouts.
@@clivereid so? There are usually little to none Urk planes in the air so what's the need to carry full load? Those missiles are used on every Su-35s and MiG-31s sortie
The modelling is terrible - long range search + track and lookdown on the Eurofighter and Gripen's RADARs is excellent - you'd easily see anything flying at any altitude within 80/60 miles respectively. ISRT on Eurofighter would also see most missile launches in the search envelope providing the pilot with a speculative target to blind fire into.
to see how bad the Russian army is, you need to visit The Sun channel and Grim Reapers comments
MiG-31BM is only capable to carry 77-1, not the very first R-77
7:18 but the eurofighter mod has a HMD????
For some reason has stopped working for me? I tried everything.
@@grimreapers maybe it broke with a new version? I haven't updated the mod for a few months now and it works fine in the version i have.
Nether the less i liked the video :D
And when the EF module comes out you have to do it again and see how much better the EF will be. And i am especially hyped for the Iris-T because rn it's just a modded missile but a proper imolementation would be very nice :D
@@Lxcx333 yep its broken in a new version. the creators screwed something up with the controls so iirc it has the F-15's controls rn which obviously doesnt have a HMD
"nobody dodges a METEOR at that range" what absolute nonsense the wrong missile for that job - ASRAAM on the other have would be close to 100% kill prob against in aircraft in front of your nose as this was.
We've seen that the Russians can't field the SU-35 and it doesn't perform to spec... you software should be updated. You should add the Swedish AWACs (Saab 340 AEW&C) capability 'cause, well the Swedes would insist. Better why not the US AWACS capability, or both?
Gripe. Has the lowest RCS of any Nona teal than fighter and it’s not close. Why are you playing with these if they’re not modeled properly? Also the Swedes are using the E version not the C .
Probably because all the real data is classified so they have to guess everything.
the craziest thing about the gripen is the arguably top of the line EW suite
The Russian jets look so much bigger? Is that pretty consistent over the decades? Why?
Where do you guys get your rcs numbers from exactly? I can get much more accurate ones than I guarantee are on the internet but I'm not positive about the number of non NATO blocked ones available for well. Me. Aha. But um I'm a hobby knife maker. I'm 31 and used to work as a senior network systems administrator then information security management until I couldn't do the Internet anymore. So no I can't get you ACTUAL classified rcs numbers from any 5th Gen or even 4.5gen fighter, but I know for a fact that I can get much better than resolution of a thousandths of a meter information. Now do I think that would be necessary for a PC simulator? I mean. That one can be argued about obviously.
*IM NOT A PILOT* (but I could do a plane if I had to at gun point - helicopter you best get off 😋😅) nor do I have this simulator (I'm very seriously thinking about making a new PC cause I need one and kinda have to thank you guys for showing me this game, I'll keep this short as possible[I come from pro gaming 2004ish to pubg recently and politics and the internet I refuse to waste my life with])
I honestly haven't taken a look into this game yet but if it's not open source which it doesn't sound like it is - If I were you I'd totally disregard this post. Cause we both know that it's .. I can't make real life with the processing power even of 2022. Well. Can and feasible are two different things. I meant feasible*🙃
They could make this a cloud deal and that would work.. I'm just talking out my ass now. 😅👍
If you think it's bad on here it's worse in a professional environment by 5000x 😌😑
·Inmypersonalexperiences·
The pilots were not very good.
Mig -31 played it wrong. It should have flown high and fast and kept lobbing missiles at the enemy.
Jez... more BS
Stop peeking those tactical maps. It's called cheating. Also checking that ban list if one is alive or not and which plane is still flying, is also called cheating, in real fight you do not have that advantage.
It's not cheating, it represent the aircraft's datalink. All of these planes have datalink.
They're also trying to get these done in a reasonable amount of time LOL - exceptions are made for entertainment purposes