Getting Oil & Red Science Right | Dyson Sphere Program | Masterclass #2
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- This is a step-by-step "Play Along" guide on Dyson Sphere Program, 2023 Proof. Blueprints included!
This episode: Red Science!
This run will be focused on
Explaining all the details
No Spaghetti
Easy to use layouts and blueprints
Blueprints supplied! (Tech appropriate, based on latest update)
This playstyle is extremely organized and will very effectively scale towards endgame, and in my humble opinion, very optimized.
It is definitely not the only way to play, so I encourage you to try things out for yourself as well!
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Dyson Sphere Program is currently in Early Access and updated on a regular basis. Despite being in early access, it is extremely polished and complete, so I highly recommend you checking out the game if you are a fan of Factorio, Satisfactory or other building/management/factory games.
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Nothing too world-shockingly new so far, but the next episode will include a new ' end of early game' strategy i've adopted over the last months. It will help you avoid a lot of power issues, spaghetti, as well as a lot of unnecessary time spent building things that will be broken down later on. Make sure to join in!
Sidenote: Membership options are now live as well for those of you that would like to support this channel!
"Since everything you're making right now is temporary, you don't need to make it perfect." THANK YOU for saying that! I'm not so OCD that everything has to be perfect but if my layout is too inefficient I feel like I've done something wrokg lol!
Totally!
I've recently realized this, and the fact that I don't have a time limit or anything. There's nothing stopping me from completing destroying stuff and moving it around or doing something completely different. Huge mental obstacle that I didn't realize was so huge till now
Keep these episodes coming , they are a big help
Wow! I wish I had seen these before starting my current DSP playthrough! Thanks for this Excellent Series!
Just subscribed, your videos on DSP are amazing, easy to follow along, and great info. I've yet to "beat" the game. I get so far, then my resources just collapse. So, I'm following along, hoping that by emulating what you're doing, I can finally say I've "beaten" the game. Cheers, and keep 'em coming!
it feels good to be back :) will probably start a new playthrough this evening and will watch all of your stuff (again :D). its great to see that your channel has grown so much! and its great to see the game is still amazing :)
This has been super helpful and I been following along and building as you go the blueprints for the mall have been a lifesaver. I always been fascinated by Dyson Spheres and this game was a little overwhelming especially with the crappy tutorial. I look forward to what i learn from this video. First video I got about 6hr of gameplay out of.
Awesome to get a new series for DSP from you! Keep it up and I like the pace, really no need to spend too much time in the early stages.
As I am having a playthrough with minimal resources, I am more focused on bottlenecks, so maybe you should mention that oil wells decay over time, but I guess later down the line you will centralize processing anyway, so only a minor detail.
On another note as I saw the flickering on production you could maybe make a small section for early game energy production, like if the thermal station is worth it.
With minimal resources you can pretty much play as I do here, you'll just need to make sure you don't fill up unnecessary stockpiles with items you don't need, and put everything you do produce to good use. I think you'll like the next episode, as the strategy I will use to get to yellow science fits rather well into a minimal resource game.
You are right, your strategy is viable for minimal resources, but the most annoying bottleneck will come with purple science, in my seed I was blessed with less than 100k silicon in the starting solar system. Just annoying to get silicon from stone, so I will postpone automating purple until I have warpers ready to get it elsewhere reliably.
love the video. for the oil refinery i just use one export belt and use the filter on a splitter, works pretty good as well imo😃
Enjoying this series. Thanks for all the information!
This game really is breathtaking beautyfull the combat demo too is so exciting
Trying to catch up on the new series, interesting to see a few new tips and tricks. Love the blueprints.
I have 2 blue print folders filled with about 50 blue prints for start->win. One for a fire ice gas giant start, and one for deuterium gas giant start. It takes me about 15 hours to "win". The other 7 plans I have are planetary builds. A planet that builds every machine(including warpers and antimatter fuel rods), a refinery planet, a photon/antimatter planet, 100 white science/sec planet, rocket planet, solar sail planet, and a Dyson sphere creator planet...basically all rocket and em launchers. After "winning" there is no need to dick around with small builds. Planetary builds is the only thing that makes sense.
That's some serious blueprinting! I like it!
I tried it... My PC almost caught on fire while building...
Guess I stick to my little play through and wait for a new PC.
@@WhitedevilEE Or you know, don't blueprint an entire planet at once :P Setting down huge blueprints definitely hurts the performance, which seems to pick back up again once you've actually completed building the design. I'm sure there's someone who can point out the technical reason for this, but at least a partial solution to this is simply build the planet up from smaller blueprints.
Loving it! Can't wait for the big update
I agree regarding getting the science done asap. Messing around too much with building is fun, yet progressing to the midgame makes things so much more relaxing. I will have to start a zen-game in the next few days. It will be good to chill out and build again.
Fun fact: the less-than/greater-than keys can do more than copy-paste recipes between facilities. They can also copy belt-labels. Only useful if doing lots of labels, of course.
You remind me that I need to update my box-of-shame sorter blueprints. There’s a bug in one of the splitter filters.
Oh my, when are you doing that much manual labeling that you found THAT out :O
Embarrassing to say - when I’ve labeled everything and then have to delete and re-route the belts.
Sometimes I’m *really* bad. /ashamed
@@Yardiff Don't worry, I just noticed that the coils & boards setup from the first episode is running at half speed due to insufficient sorters. We all make mistakes sometimes! :D
Jump to 12:00 if you want to actually start hearing about oil as the title says.
I noticed with the oil facility, you have some sorters that attach from one oil refiner to the other refiner rather than to the belt. I love this new series
Nice catch!
Just fotninto the game and definitely going to be binging this series a few times to learn
Not a noob by any means but im learning some helpfull stuff, my big failing has always been what to mass produce, so new game and I finaly did the mall so now im following you to red matrix, thanks for the videos.
@22:50 one of the coal mines isn't feeding onto it's belt.
Don't know how you will see this but im confused how you used the spliter to balance all your in puts. Thanks.notherwise it's been amazing
Do you have a specific timestamp that you're confused about? Not sure which part you're referring to.
Maybe I’ll check this out once my Satisfactory fix is fulfilled. Ratios scare the crap out of me though. Me no good at math.
When in doubt - build more! :D
So far everything looks very efficient. I must say that in early game DSP is in many ways similar to Factorio, yet it seems better. Maybe just a subjective feeling, but I believe that logistics in Factorio, and many small issues were less efficient, especially for new players, while in DSP it is very easy to kick into a game. And, last but not least: I actually enjoy not having any bugs around. I love being able to focus on building stuff only... I hope we will get option to turn off enemies in game update, when those enemies finally show up.
Don't worry, you can turn off enemies! It's a completely optional feature
CTRL+C does the same for selecting a blueprint area
At 10:44 you say that you want 3 red science per second so you need 6 hydrogen per second, but the red science recipe only gets you 1 red science per 6 seconds, so to get 3 per second you'd need to run 18 of them, which would cost 36 hydrogen per second. Am I missing something?
Oh, I see where I'm confused; each run only demands 2 hydrogen every 6 seconds, which is 1 every 3 seconds; 18 times that is 6 per second. Nevermind. :)
You got it!@@robinleepowell
I might be jumping ahead here since it could be mentioned later in the series, but why not use the early refined oil supply in the thermal power plants?
I try to stay away from any type of power supply that is too reliant on inputs that might easily lead to a power spiral.
Low on power = low on production = lower power... you get the idea.
Going wind > solar > Deuterium rods is usually a pretty safe & easy way to avoid problems.
(and yes, Deuterium rods do have the same potential issue, but at this point you'll typically be producing on several planets so one planet being low on power is in most cases not a spiral waiting to happen)
@@TheDutchActuary that is a good point - I really need to learn to become efficient in my factories - your series is helping quite a bit though, so thank you for that!
The initial set up for red science is overkill - just get enough hydrogen to research x-ray cracking, then do a big set up.
The build is actually not really meant for the red science (in the long rung), and I don't think x-ray cracking is particularly useful. If anything, I would say that cracking itself is overkill (at the very least for the purpose of red science initially)
I like to do this too. Just input 4/s crude oil to get 2/s hydrogen and prepare another 3/s graphite to kickstart red science. Late use X-ray cracking to get a total of 6/s hydrogen and 4+3/s graphite for 3/s red science. No double belts and no excess refined oil to deal, gracefully! And there is a extra 1/s graphite to feed the mech.
the calculations for oil usage are of you need 2 every 4 seconds per machine if youy have 24 you need 12 oil per second
is there a blueprint for that storage tank thing? cant find it
Any reason why you didn’t use the second refinery recipe to convert refined oil into hydrogen and graphite? It seems to be designed specifically for red science production.
Mostly because you'll quickly switch to getting hydrogen from other sources, and graphite is much easier to get straight from coal. There's nothing wrong with using those options per se, but I don't consider them to be efficient.
You also don't have a large amount of oil to work with early in the game either, and you do need a bunch of that for other purposes.
Going through. Re-watching. Waiting for the next stage o game update
Any particular reason to stockpile that sheer volume of refined oil rather than just burning it in a thermal generator for a little extra power generation and introducing a essentially 3rd renewable power source to your base?
Seems a lot to just sit on that could at least have some redeemable return considering you're going to be producing absurd volumes of it either way.
I try to stay away from relying on fuel that will eventually run out by itself, potentially causing a cascading power issue that might turn off your entire planet (been there, done that...)
The stockpile itself isn't really needed, but its also not going to waste as early end-game I usually reach a point where I actually run out of oil (temporarily) before I scale production up again.
@@TheDutchActuary I'm seeing what you mean now, I incorrectly figured oil wells were a continuous output source. I'm now finding on my starting planet the oil wells are now barely outputting 0.3 units a second.
Definitely wish I had kept more of that stockpile now, fortunately with some merging it's still possible to keep the refinery continuous fed for now.
How can you put belts and buildings that close? When I try to put inserters, it says almost always "too close". I have to leave one block gap between all my buildings and belts otherwise it says "too close". But sometimes it doesn't, it is weird.
It depends where you are on the grid. In some places (specifically, on the edges before a 'jump' in the grid) the buildings get pressed closer together.
This is why I tend to make my blueprints at the northern edge of a grid section. If it works there, it will work everywhere.
How are you merging your belts like that? Joining two belts together for me just deletes one direction
No tricks involved, it should ' just work ' when you join up different belts in this shape (assuming you're talking about merging, not splitting - for that you need a splitter).
If it's not working for you the only reason I can think of would be some mod interfering. I've not had a single problem with this over hundreds of hours of gameplay.
i am a noob and this is helping a lot but you need to hurry up cause i'm stuck on what to do ... i've unlocked so much but now i'm scared to jump planet for titanium!
Hahaha don't be scared, dive in! And if it doesn't work out, start over and try again!
But don't worry, after next episode we'll fix that issue where you have so much unlocked and no idea where to go next ;)
Can you explain the math between need 24 oil refinery needing 2 full belts of oil?
Sure!
Step 1: Oil is processed into refined oil at a rate of 2 oil / 4 seconds. Or in other words: 0.5 oil/s.
Step 2: So 24 refinery's need 24 * 0.5 = 12 oil / s as inputs in order to be fully functional.
Step 3: At this point i'm still working with mark 1 belts, which can handle at most 6 items / second. So you'll need 12 / 6 = 2 full belts.
Hope that makes sense!
@@TheDutchActuary Thanks man! that makes perfect sense!!! I was missing the 0,5 oil/s!!
I don’t understand how you are splitting the crude oil to get 2 full belts of crude oil
There's about two full belts of crude oil incoming, the splitting / combining of those two belts is mainly to ensure there's always production materials incoming, even if one line gets low on supply (as oil does slowy run out)
I imported blueprints from the link and they are not organized like in video and it seems like lot of them are missing. Anyone know what i did wrong ?
Unfortunately the organization isn't ' copied ' into the blueprint, but you'll need to do that yourself. Simply naming them 01, 02, etc is an easy way to do that. They should all be there though! (I do have more playthroughs so only the ' combat ' library is included in this link. You can find the other libraries of blueprints in my other series though)
Really like your DSP content, have you considered playing ICARUS? Would like to see your take on both mission and open world play and progress
I'm usually not a huge fan of single person survival games (with a few exceptions like Subnautica). But hey, maybe!
@@TheDutchActuary there is a multiplayer option with ICARUS
Couldn't you use the light oil to make graphite
You can, but it's a fairly inefficient way to do so.
i always fixed hydrogen overflow by having it feed into a thermal generator chain
That works! But it won't be that long until you'll need whatever hydrogen you can get!
@@TheDutchActuary I always have coal go into those I just switch it to hydrogen when I need to get rid of it to make oil
Shouldn't you setup xray cracking first?
There is really no need for cracking if you don't overproduce things early in the game.
When does the game stop being a 3D carbon copy of Factorio ? Legit question, I bought it a few days ago, and while the factorio vibe ain't so bad, I already played that game years ago.
The moment you leave the planet! I get the comparison (its the same genre afterall), but getting to travel around the stars is a very original take (not to mention it looks gorgeous!). And you know, Dyson Spheres!
@@TheDutchActuary Oh man, I guess this is going to sink more hours than I'd like to admit.
can i have world file