All bass players are f****** sidemen. Jimmy was the band and the rest of the guys were sidemen and interchangeable and he could have replaced John Paul Jones anytime and got another great bass player. You're probably a bass player so you think you're part in the band is of some importance but it's not because the guitar player runs the whole show. Live with it. 😮
There Exist no musical entity where all Four Elements are so equally balanced to create the Fifth. John Paul Jones is the cerebral mastermind behind the Music. Classically Trained infused with Jazz Leanings, The arranger and the ability to play every instrument known to man mixed with a Quiet Knowingness devoid of Ego is the Genius of John Paul Jones.Zeppelinist know he is the Brain! NO QUARTER Forever!
@@chriskroll4166 You don't know what you're talking about. Nobody was interchangeable in Led Zeppelin. Why do you think they dissolved when Bonham died? BTW, Jimmy Page was, and still is, a narcissistic psychopath.
It’s gotta be huge egos.....with Paige & Plant....no room for creativity or quiet band members....ala George Harrison in The Beatles...he had to compete with Lennon & McCartney.....not an easy task
Page and Plant didn’t want their reunion to look too much like Led Zeppelin. Page was the leader of the band. It was his band. All four members slighted each other at one time or another. They stayed together because they knew they weren’t going to find that chemistry anywhere else. Bonham use to abuse Plant regularly. Page ignored JPJ regularly because he was mildly jealous of JPJ’s ability. Page and Plant snuck away from Bonham one night to party with Jagger and Richard’s who probably ditched Charlie and Bill. JPJ told Robert he could have done better after the release of Plants first album. Plant was very angry at Page because of his drinking during their Page/Plant tour. This video misses the mark on JPJ’s ambition as part of LZ. JPJ was very happy being in the background and not at the forefront of the band.
Being in the background is not the same as being able to make a meaningful contribution. JPJ was not a rock star. That's true. But he was very much a top-notch musician. And he deserved recognition as such. Page was a brilliant guitarist who became sloppier and sloppier as time went on, due to his excesses.
You can't build a Castle without a foundation. And..... If you've got a Great bass player and a Phenomenal drummer , you can throw any joe schmoow in the singer and guitarist spot, you'll have a good band. But if you reverse that, you'll have a really Crappy band!
Battle of Evermore. That's the one. He made that happen, Mr Jones. That could have been incredibly boring cuz it's only what three chords, four? Thank God for Mr Jones and the battle of evermore: dance in the dark of night, pray to the morning glow.
Page wrote the song and played mandolin on it. JPJ backed him on acoustic guitar. They swapped instruments for GOING TO CALIFORNIA. Also written by Page.
All four members played an integral part of the best band in History. The horrifying loss of their drummer should have been the end but the treatment of JPJ put an added miserable twist to the band's history. May they all heal and find faith in the Lord above.
John Bonham’s drumming is what draws me to Zeppelin every time. Jones was a superb musician and crucial member of the band. He did get the rough end of the stick by Plant and Page.
The Lemon Song, Ramble On, and that brief solo (first one) on Good Times Bad Times....no other rock bassist was playing lines that clean and that advanced in 1968 or 69. In bass circles? He's legend....we dont care that he wasn't famous. Anybody with an ear knows his contemporaries were so far out of his league that it wasn't even a contest. I love Jack Bruce and respect John Entwistle/Jack Casady but these guys were rough in comparison.
Another bassist here, I love those lines but they are heavily derivative of James Jamerson and the fast parts on Lemon Song are not that clean, tbh a big chunk of JPJ's more notable lines and licks were very derivative of jamerson and his immediate successors on the soul scene like Rod Hicks; it was a style he had to learn for his pop and soul session days. he wasn't anywhere near as distinctive or original a stylist as Bruce/Casady/Entwistle, and I don't agree he had more chops (or precision when he gets busy) either; there's also a helluva lot more dull doubling of guitar riffs (which every decent bassist was doing at the time) and hanging onto one bass riff for ages in JPJ's playing. Bruce's live playing with Cream had vastly more improv and sometimes that doesn't come off, but at his best he had a harmonic sophistication (especially on his solo albums and later jazz-rock work) I don't hear in JPJ bass playing (though Jones was sophisticated in his own arranging and a better keys player) I certainly wouldn't say any of these guys were massively ahead of the others. by 68/69 you also had Phil Lesh, Chris Squire, Tony Reeves, Tim Bogert, Louis Cennamo, Glenn Cornick, Leo Lyons, Gregg Ridley as players just off the top of my head that were all on a similar level in terms of technique and harmonic knowledge. A lot of Bogert's jamerson derivative lines on the first Vanilla Fudge album from 1967 were already at leat as dexterous as JPJ's. Don't get me wrong, JPJ was great and Ramble On is a damn classic, but I don't think it's historically accurate at all to suggest he was massively ahead of everyone by 68/69
Jones was integral on so many levels. Page and Plant totally disrespected him. Plants vocals were only good in the studio and he was a poser. I still feel he’s a great rock singer but like I said he left much to be desired live. Page in the later years was hit or Miss due to his substance abuse.
I've never seen any live Zep I liked. Jimmy and and Robert seemed to go out of their way reinvent the music live and I've always had a problem with that. They never did the songs the way I expected to hear them. Vocally and guitar wise it was never the song as you knew it to be. Different guitar parts that made the song or different vocal parts. Jonesy was the unsung hero in that band and always consistent.
@@aschule5684 While that is true, it was virtually impossible to reproduce live what they did in the studio, where Jimmy had the benefit of overdubbing guitar parts to his heart's content. Only JPJ was capable of sitting behind a Hammond, or a Rhodes, or a Mellotron, and still hold the bass line with his feet on a pedal set. The man was a genius.
JPJ was master musician. I seen them live in NYC. They pulled 3 chairs up to the front of the stage and Robert, Jimmy and JPJ did going to California. It was mesmerizing. Jones was outstanding on the Mandolin. I never looked at him the same way again.
I think John P Jones was very important to the band and that he was wrongly shunned by Page & Plant. Being the quiet one JPJ was victimised in my opinion as previous interviews prove. Plant has called John P Jones a Double Glazing salesman in a few interviews which i feel is so wrong and showed to me a side i didn't like of Plant. If i was a personal friend of Plant i wouldn't trust him or Page for that matter as i would believe they would stab me in the back at a moments notice.
Page knew without Bonham he would have to get finally a good drummer and he wasn't able to the job. So he decided to drift in oblivion and spent the rest of his life re-mastering eh Zeppelin catalog over and over and playing with people like the Black Crows and Puffy Daddy. BTW, what is up with the inclusion images of all the Zeppelin tribute bands? What a hack job.
LOL! Love the Led Zeppelin cover band photos instead of the actual Page and Plant. Page was an egomaniac. He didn’t do anything worth mentioning past Physical Graffiti. He lives in the past, which must be a sad experience.
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The bottom line is that without that quartet, Led Zep would've never been what they were .. the synergy was mandatory!
All bass players are f****** sidemen. Jimmy was the band and the rest of the guys were sidemen and interchangeable and he could have replaced John Paul Jones anytime and got another great bass player. You're probably a bass player so you think you're part in the band is of some importance but it's not because the guitar player runs the whole show. Live with it. 😮
A musical genius.
There Exist no musical entity where all Four Elements are so equally balanced to create the Fifth. John Paul Jones is the cerebral mastermind behind the Music. Classically Trained infused with Jazz Leanings, The arranger and the ability to play every instrument known to man mixed with a Quiet Knowingness devoid of Ego is the Genius of John Paul Jones.Zeppelinist know he is the Brain! NO QUARTER Forever!
Some of the fans actually read music and have completed music composition classes.
We know Jones was the brain of LZ.
Jimmy was the brains of the band and the rest of the men were sidemen and interchangeable.
@@chriskroll4166 You don't know what you're talking about. Nobody was interchangeable in Led Zeppelin. Why do you think they dissolved when Bonham died? BTW, Jimmy Page was, and still is, a narcissistic psychopath.
JPJ was a critical huge force in zeppelin.
It’s gotta be huge egos.....with Paige & Plant....no room for creativity or quiet band members....ala George Harrison in The Beatles...he had to compete with Lennon & McCartney.....not an easy task
Page and Plant didn’t want their reunion to look too much like Led Zeppelin. Page was the leader of the band. It was his band. All four members slighted each other at one time or another. They stayed together because they knew they weren’t going to find that chemistry anywhere else. Bonham use to abuse Plant regularly. Page ignored JPJ regularly because he was mildly jealous of JPJ’s ability. Page and Plant snuck away from Bonham one night to party with Jagger and Richard’s who probably ditched Charlie and Bill. JPJ told Robert he could have done better after the release of Plants first album. Plant was very angry at Page because of his drinking during their Page/Plant tour. This video misses the mark on JPJ’s ambition as part of LZ. JPJ was very happy being in the background and not at the forefront of the band.
Being in the background is not the same as being able to make a meaningful contribution. JPJ was not a rock star. That's true. But he was very much a top-notch musician. And he deserved recognition as such. Page was a brilliant guitarist who became sloppier and sloppier as time went on, due to his excesses.
@@piscesman54 Yes his playing suffered on 4th August 1979 when i saw them at Knebworth
@@awolwakefieldyorkshirePage is a
legend but you're right.Booze and drugs really diminished his talent.
You can't build a Castle without a foundation.
And.....
If you've got a Great bass player and a Phenomenal drummer , you can throw any joe schmoow in the singer and guitarist spot, you'll have a good band.
But if you reverse that, you'll
have a really Crappy band!
John Paul Jones was a musical Mastermind
Jonesy was an important part of the band. The four always knew that but it was still Jimmy’s band. Always was, always will be.
Best musician in Zeppelin. Should have been on board for “No Quarter”.
Battle of Evermore. That's the one. He made that happen, Mr Jones. That could have been incredibly boring cuz it's only what three chords, four? Thank God for Mr Jones and the battle of evermore: dance in the dark of night, pray to the morning glow.
Page wrote the song and played mandolin on it. JPJ backed him on acoustic guitar.
They swapped instruments for GOING TO CALIFORNIA. Also written by Page.
All four members played an integral part of the best band in History.
The horrifying loss of their drummer should have been the end but the treatment of JPJ put an added miserable twist to the band's history.
May they all heal and find faith in the Lord above.
John Bonham’s drumming is what draws me to Zeppelin every time.
Jones was a superb musician and crucial member of the band.
He did get the rough end of the stick by Plant and Page.
Any one of them missing it wouldn't be the same band. As we see that today. Yes John Paul Jones is a dream musician.
Great success is as difficult as great failure.
No one ever appreciates the bass player
JPJ has never gotten the credit or recognition he deserves.
RIP ANGEL 😇
Now, ask about the groupies he juggled away from/ahead of the police...
They All Rocked I Mean This Is Led Zeppelin By The Way They Ruled No Matter
What Anybody Says. Greatest Band In The World.
It's funny but I always thought that what differentiated Led Zeppelin from other rock bands was the sound of J.P.'s bass. Jones.
The Lemon Song, Ramble On, and that brief solo (first one) on Good Times Bad Times....no other rock bassist was playing lines that clean and that advanced in 1968 or 69. In bass circles? He's legend....we dont care that he wasn't famous. Anybody with an ear knows his contemporaries were so far out of his league that it wasn't even a contest. I love Jack Bruce and respect John Entwistle/Jack Casady but these guys were rough in comparison.
Another bassist here, I love those lines but they are heavily derivative of James Jamerson and the fast parts on Lemon Song are not that clean, tbh a big chunk of JPJ's more notable lines and licks were very derivative of jamerson and his immediate successors on the soul scene like Rod Hicks; it was a style he had to learn for his pop and soul session days. he wasn't anywhere near as distinctive or original a stylist as Bruce/Casady/Entwistle, and I don't agree he had more chops (or precision when he gets busy) either; there's also a helluva lot more dull doubling of guitar riffs (which every decent bassist was doing at the time) and hanging onto one bass riff for ages in JPJ's playing. Bruce's live playing with Cream had vastly more improv and sometimes that doesn't come off, but at his best he had a harmonic sophistication (especially on his solo albums and later jazz-rock work) I don't hear in JPJ bass playing (though Jones was sophisticated in his own arranging and a better keys player) I certainly wouldn't say any of these guys were massively ahead of the others.
by 68/69 you also had Phil Lesh, Chris Squire, Tony Reeves, Tim Bogert, Louis Cennamo, Glenn Cornick, Leo Lyons, Gregg Ridley as players just off the top of my head that were all on a similar level in terms of technique and harmonic knowledge. A lot of Bogert's jamerson derivative lines on the first Vanilla Fudge album from 1967 were already at leat as dexterous as JPJ's.
Don't get me wrong, JPJ was great and Ramble On is a damn classic, but I don't think it's historically accurate at all to suggest he was massively ahead of everyone by 68/69
Guess you forgot about The Ox
I was lucky enough to see Zep 4x; even then, I knew I was witnessing musical HISTORY. -68
Jones was integral on so many levels. Page and Plant totally disrespected him. Plants vocals were only good in the studio and he was a poser. I still feel he’s a great rock singer but like I said he left much to be desired live. Page in the later years was hit or Miss due to his substance abuse.
I've never seen any live Zep I liked. Jimmy and and Robert seemed to go out of their way reinvent the music live and I've always had a problem with that. They never did the songs the way I expected to hear them. Vocally and guitar wise it was never the song as you knew it to be. Different guitar parts that made the song or different vocal parts. Jonesy was the unsung hero in that band and always consistent.
@@aschule5684 While that is true, it was virtually impossible to reproduce live what they did in the studio, where Jimmy had the benefit of overdubbing guitar parts to his heart's content. Only JPJ was capable of sitting behind a Hammond, or a Rhodes, or a Mellotron, and still hold the bass line with his feet on a pedal set. The man was a genius.
JPJ was master musician. I seen them live in NYC. They pulled 3 chairs up to the front of the stage and Robert, Jimmy and JPJ did going to California. It was mesmerizing. Jones was outstanding on the Mandolin. I never looked at him the same way again.
KUSHMIRROR😅
i think jonsey would have been ok except that he disapproved in jimmy coming late stoned and out of tune.
I think John P Jones was very important to the band and that he was wrongly shunned by Page & Plant. Being the quiet one JPJ was victimised in my opinion as previous interviews prove. Plant has called John P Jones a Double Glazing salesman in a few interviews which i feel is so wrong and showed to me a side i didn't like of Plant. If i was a personal friend of Plant i wouldn't trust him or Page for that matter as i would believe they would stab me in the back at a moments notice.
Victim (singular) "reveals" - Victims (plural) "reveal". Learn English.
Page knew without Bonham he would have to get finally a good drummer and he wasn't able to the job. So he decided to drift in oblivion and spent the rest of his life re-mastering eh Zeppelin catalog over and over and playing with people like the Black Crows and Puffy Daddy. BTW, what is up with the inclusion images of all the Zeppelin tribute bands? What a hack job.
Your thumb nail is terrible....
LOL! Love the Led Zeppelin cover band photos instead of the actual Page and Plant. Page was an egomaniac. He didn’t do anything worth mentioning past Physical Graffiti. He lives in the past, which must be a sad experience.
Golden stars is nothing but a litany of gossip hit pieces of music bands don't fall for it. just look at the content ..
Page is grossly overrated. Plant was a prancing show pony.
The most sued musician ever for plagiarism. Page.
I can't stand to watch him live. Sickening.
@Watchman70 Alvin Lee, now there's a guitar player. I'm going home by Helicopter done by Ten Years After at Woodstock...incredible.
I think you are a frustrated Bay City Roller fan then?
@@frankmoore1299 who is that? So you know them and listen to them, so what.