And also something to consider (as you mentioned in the video too) is that Suunto is designed and made completely in Finland where as many of the competitor watches are made in cheaper labor countries such as China or Taiwan. Suunto is also the only one who actually has sustainablity aspect in it's product line up. With those 2 points in mind the price doesn't seem so high anymore. Of course me being a Finn makes me a bit biased :D
I am a Suunto Dude and i was always super close before buying me a Garmin as i was looking yealous on their solar and map ability. Finally the waiting ended and i preordered the Suunto Vertical Solar. Cant wait to test it.🎉 I hope it's as durable as my Suunto 9 Baro which lead me to a lot of Summits .
I think suunto´s target was and is now again, trail, nature and endurance sport lovers. They seem to return to their origins. Suunto´s path has to be in my opinion, battery, maps, etc. Nothing to do in the smart watches batle. For not much buttons is a good news. In Coros it works.
Some of the best looking watches in the business! I can live with the big bezel since solar was added.....I can even live without the music on board. But the lag when interacting with the watch would drive me nuts.
The lag isn't terrible but it's there... I suspect it's due to the CPU power and the fact that Suunto tried to milk the most battery life out of it. However, I'm hopeful it can be addressed in a firmware update.
Love your videos! Just found your channel. Thinking of the Suunto race or the Vertical. Kinda think more towards the vertical but not sure yet. Oh and where you get your shirt in this video?
I'm an old school mountaineer -- I don't want a general purpose smart watch, I don't want a fitness watch; I want a mountaineering tool ... not a toy: I don't need lots of features, apps or cool charts that I can download ... just altitude. heart rate, 02, pace (including vertical), durability and crazy long battery life. The maps and some of the other features may be useful .on the margin.. Anyway, for me, it is Suunto all the way and I will be be receiving my Vertical Solar in my mailbox in a couple of days. Cheers.
@@mitroianoI wear it every time i venture into the backcountry. No GPS watch is essential; if you are doing serious route-finding, a GPS such as the Garmin 67i is more robust than any watch, plus (more important) experience. That said, the vertical is no nonsense watch with multiday battery life and the crystal is indestructible. Having accurate altitude, HR, distance, pace and even a decent map on your wrist is a luxury, but a very welcome one.
15:12 one important point here... you can create a route in the app during activity, it will sync in the backgrount and you can pick it, never turning off your current activity. You can also edit th3e route you are currently using, and this will sync and be corrected in the activity you are actually having on.
Nice one bro. Am a suunto person, hence why I came here. A bit confused now between Suunto vertical and Garmin. However, your review is the best that I have watched.
@@rogersellevoll70how are you liking it? I’m a Garmin Fenix 6X user at the minute but very tempted by this, for extra battery, eco pros and (quite simply!) for a change! Always had Garmin so far and interested in seeing what else is around 😁
@@010MACS I have now used it for about a month now,and are really satisfied with the watch. It has a great screen,but not amoled, but really bright. The UI is great and app is in my eyes way better than any other. There is a bit lag in the software and it is far from beeing a smartwatch. But as a primary training Watch for running,hiking etc like i do,this is really good. Changing from Garmin to Suunto? Two different systems,so you might like it,or hate it 😂
It's a REAL nice looking watch. In fact, it was tough testing this one because it tends to draw a lot of questions and attention in public since it's so stylish.
Except when it takes you something like 40 hours to download US maps Garmin can get done in 3 lol. It took AN HOUR for Dave to download a SINGLE STATE. That’s nuts.
Would love to see a comparison with the Instinct 2X - especially battery life. I feel like both watches make insane claims on battery life - and I can confirm that my Instinct 2X does indeed last forever in the current sunny summer conditions. Kinda interested in how the Vertical would perform in a head-to-head. Loved the vid! Keep it up!
They're not "Chinese" though they are owned by a Chinese company. The Suunto factory and many employees are still in Finland and 90% of Suunto's products are manufactured there.
@@ChaseTheSummit That's still Chinese. It could be 100% operated by Finns in Finland but if a Chinese owner has full ownership then they're beholden to CCP mandates. I'd rather not have a Chinese owned GPS tracker on me at all times and I really hope people think twice before buying this.
I got a Suunto Ambit 2 in 2013 when it was state of the art, and I have literally gone all around the world with it, and done everything from climbing Mont Blanc to skiing in Tierra del Fuego to scuba diving in the Galapagos to visiting hunter gatherer tribes very, very deep in the Amazon to adventure races and even hurling matches back home in Ireland. It never let me down, and was a truly massive help on several occasions. The thing was indestructible and so reliable. Hats off to the team at Suunto. I would not buy any other brand and I need an upgrade now. Thanks for the review, I cannot wait to buy the Suunto Vertical!
I was going to get the Epix pro … and then I was on the fence with the vertical. Saw I got 30% off of Suunto, and 25% off of Garmin so I bought both. 🤷♂️
lol, yeah this job tends to wear out the ol' wrist from wearing so many different watches! I also got a bit of a sun burn the other day which didn't help!
Another great video Dave. Keep up the good work. Having recently got the Garmin FR965, an amoled screen maybe a must, when I go back to the Fenix 6 it looks soooo old and dated.
Suunto's design is excellent....that is a good looking watch. But I am totally invested in the Garmin environment...so no Vertical for me. But one major thing that Suunto still lacks, is sensor connectivity. No ANT+ would not be exceptable for me!
Unfortunately it seems like most devices are dropping ANT+ support as time moves on in favor of BLE sensors but it's not ideal if you have a bunch of expensive ANT+ sensors laying around.
The Vertical looks more like an every day watch, as opposed to a Garmin. I like the watch extremely well and it would probably be sufficient for pure hiking. But I don't really like the bezel. I think Garmin does that better.
As a user who went from Suunto to Garmin Epix 2, not a day goes by without me missing the Suunto UX and usability. In Garmin menus the touch functionality is inconsistent, you can tell they haven't done it for long. And with the 5 buttons with short and long presses it takes you months to learn all the options compared to a week or two with Suunto. The usability of the Garmin has also been noted by several reviewers + some of my friends switching back to Suunto.
Never a suunto user, but I also found the garmin hard to use/learn. I use a coros now and that was so intuitive. On the Garmin, even six months after ownership, I still ended up hitting the wrong button all the time when looking for lap. The app is also terrible. I mean, to be fair, there's A LOT there, but finding something that's not already on the home page is next to impossible without a visit to google. I was helping someone look for their estimated threshold pace the other day, and we just gave up.
For me there is only very important question: Is it possible to pause a activity and continue it at for example next day? I came from Garmin and bought a Suunto 9 Baro and couldn't believe my eyes, that this basic function isn`t possible. With the Garmin i did a Hike, slept overnight and continued next day and at home i ended the activity and got one track. With a Suunto it is unpossible - till now?
The watch looks nice, but apart from being deeply invested into the Suunto space there are really a load of caveats to make in relation to the high price. That said, it's a refreshing design difference compared to Garmin and Apple. Might attract the hikers and sports enthusiasts that are looking for alternatives to the Garmin look.
OH MY GOD... I would love the Suunto Vertical, I was always a Suunto fan and had all of their previous watches but unfortunately I'm wearing a Garmin Fenix 6 Pro because it has offline maps AND MUSIC.... The suunto app and is way better than Garmin. Vertical has 32GB Storage but no music... it's a huge missed opportunity for Suunto 😞 I wait for the Vertical with Music, then finally I'll change to Suunto
I think the Heart Rate inaccuracy might be is issue because of it's weight. Garmin/Polar are usually light (outside of the Fenix type watches) so they don't bounce much.
I wondered that as well though I did have it strapped down REAL tight and the included band is very secure but I don't have large wrists which could be the issue.
A detail that is important to me is missing. How fast are the satellites fixed. Was very frustrated with the Garmin 945 and don't want to make a bad buy again.
It appeared the compass and the map was very smooth, rotating nicely and pointing the right way without any delay or lag. Is this better than Coros and Garmin?
You're correct... The Compass and Map surprisingly had little to no delay and the animations are actually pretty good. However, navigating through other aspects of the watch can be laggy which I find odd. In terms of Map/Compass it feels similar to the COROS/Garmin options out there. Garmin does have a bit of lag as well but they also display far more data on their maps with text for every road/trail/POI along with icons while COROS/Suunto simply have a base map with no details.
@@ChaseTheSummit I'd love for you to do a side-by-side comparison with Vertical, Coros Vertix 2 and Fenix 7 in this regard. So annoying when you get to a fork and have to wait for maps and compass to tell you which direction you're actually heading
Suunto fun by the day Ambit3 Peak went out. For me was the best until 9 peak came out. Will try to get the Vertical. Once Suunto only Suunto!!! Also I don't like the Fenix Military look.
Was a big fan of Suunto long ago, but fail big time back then with updates and drop beta watches that had way to many problems. Vertical looks nice tho, way to small bands for my taste tho. :) And Price should be lower to draw folks in to try it and with luck like it.
In the GPS test (high accuracy), I am assuming the Garmin 965 was left at its worst setting by mistake (while the Apple watch and Suunto were at their best)? Id so you should've mentioned it in voice as this was quite an unfair test to the 965 (which I have and it is spot on when multi-band is enabled)
yess i do agreed with you they should've put 5 buttons instead of 3..and i came from suunto ambit 3 peak, still using it, loving it...almost bought the 9 peak but luckily did not. been watching all the reviews about the vertical but none of the reviews mentioned about the return to the starting point function...usually that function crucially mentioned in the reviews but seems to me that no reviewers mentioned about it...
Good and fair review. I will definitely stick with Garmin. I use Spotify and turn by turn navigation on runs. I don’t understand why other companies don’t integrate music better (or not at all). Am I the only one who uses it?
I load mp3 songs onto my Garmin (old school i guess 😋). I own Garmin, Coros and Suunto. Garmin wins by far. Just the fact that when u are listening to music, there is a voice who gives you the training status is priceless.
I'm seriously looking at the stainless steel version as it has more than enough battery life for me, still looks great and has all the same features as the titanium version, minus the solar charging. In South Africa, I think it may be the cheapest option with a sapphire crystal display. I'd probably add a Coros nylon strap though
The Steel version seems like a great value considering you still get EXCELLENT battery life, a sapphire lens, and all of the other bells and whistles for $200 less!
My Jurassic Ambit 3 has passed away recently... it kept rock steady for all these years though! I was thinking about replacing it but I have a major concern... I've been thinking about my other metal watches because they heat up quite a bit just sitting in my wrist if they catch a bit of direct sunlight, particularly when I'm trekking in a particular direction or driving for example. All this heat will surely decrease the rechargeable battery lifespan. I don't have experience with titanium materials but I read somewhere titanium is less susceptible to this effect... what do you guys think?
Been a Suunto guy since 15 years ago. Just bought the 9 peak. Can only hope that Suunto brings this mapping feature in an update to previous watches. Come on Suunto!
Suunto Vertical vs Enduro 2 vs Forrunner 965. :D which best bargain which can handle ultra 50 miles 20h. hehe :) I know is hard question because it depend. But if some friend will ask what You will answer :) Thanks mate
Having a suunto 7 i've noticed that body battery, sleep, steps, heart rate, activity metrics are all really cool metrics but this isn't compiled very good so it's more of a novelty. Garmin's compile these metrics better to create a health system. Would you say the Suunto Vertical is more like the garmin in this aspect? Also, I like that the garmin has cool features like climb pro, pacepro. race predictor, stamina, recovery time advisor, running power, hrv, and training readiness. A lot of these metrics are what i'm talking about in the previous statement with all in one fitness/health performance.
The Vertical is very similar to the Suunto 9 Peak Pro / 9 Peak in that department but the underlying app/software has gotten better and matured over time. I think Garmin still has an advantage with some of these metrics but Suunto does have a Race Predictor, Virtual Partner (similar to pace pro), Estimated VO2 Max, Recovery Time Advisor, Running Power, and lots of other tools for training. They also recently introduced a new "training zone" that gives you more insight into training and a virtual coach.
Awesome and comprehensive review. Couple of big questions! Is the resources calculation still done by firstbeat, and is it getting the updated algorithms that Garmin would have? And within that with the more frequent heart rate measurements is it going to be more accurate? And second question, can you see your training load and any watch screens? Like the ATL, CTL, form stuff?
Thanks Hunter! To my knowledge there hasn't been any changes with the algorithm used for Resources... It's the same as the 9 Peak and 9 Peak Pro. I would assume it will be a bit more accurate now that Heart Rate frequency is every 1 second but I didn't really notice anything major from my time with the watch. Unfortunately, training load is still not available in a widget form on the watch but you can view your training effect in the logbook in your activities.
How is the screen compared to the garmin fenix? On video it looks very good! I tested a fenix 6x next to suunto 7 (with a 1.4 inch display :P. ) and the 6x looked really ugly. Is the Vertical any better? Also a fair comparison would be the non titanium. I think that price is pretty interesting for still being very premium. And thnx for the great review!
The display is pretty similar to the fenix 7 it’s MIP so it won’t compare to an AMOLED like the Suunto 7. MIP displays are duller to preserve battery life and are always on. It’s still a pretty good display for MIP though and the clarity is better than the Suunto 9 Peak
The only thing that %90+ people want out of these watches is quality maps functionality (names, route planning...) and super long battery life. The Garmin answers that, the Suunto still doesn't on the maps front. However, if Suunto comes up with a bare bones watch that just has Garmin level maps functionality and insane batttery life AND NOTHING ELSE, then they will win, because Garmin have added so much useless stuff that the Suunto can capitalize on that and launch a skeleton winner. A powerful flashlight would be nice too, the garmin Enduro 2 has that and its surprisingly not a gimmick.
Depends what you’re looking for they’re both great. The Epix has more “smart” features. The vertical has insane battery life and is a bit more primitive.
Hi Dave, congratulations for this (usually!) excellent video! I was really excited to learn more about this new Suunto watch, having myself been a Suunto fan since 2005. I have very recently changed to a Garmin Epix 2 however for actually very similar reasons that you state - it has more smartwatch functionalities. But above all, it has am Amoled display which for me is still the key feature Suunto watches are missing. I have a 9 Peak Pro and 9 Peak, and had a 9 Baro before that - the screens are in my view the same and are just so disappointing. You also have a point with the 5-button versus the 3-button layout. I was used to that on the Suunto, but I think it has limits if you do not want the touchscreen to work during exercise - which I actually disactivate. And lastly, I wear my outdoor watch during holidays nearly all the time and - yes - I want a great looking watch face. Here Garmin is simply unbeatable and what you can download on the ConnectIQ store is just fantastic. I am really sad for Suunto since I love the brand and its philosophy, and their efforts to be carbon neutral. The new Suunto Vertical is great, but does not beat Garmin for what I am expecting this watch to offer to me.
Dave, in addition to your good mood and that new family approach (your wife's first 50k🙂💪) it's also your good person, your good vibes, good humor, that make your official channel my favorite. keep up the good work. PS: I already ordered the Vertical (steel version, since the titanium one is priced upa upa). Abraço 🇸🇯🇵🇹🇺🇸🇺🇦. PS: doing a quick search on the net I see that steel is more resistant to scratches than titanium, the latter being more resistant to corrosion and lighter. The question remains: what is the ideal for trail, mountaineering, etc?
Thanks for the kind words! Indeed steel is more durable and less likely to scratch but they do apply a scratch resistant coating to the Titanium that helps.
@@ChaseTheSummit I do hope they come up with a solid FR265 competitor out of nowhere. Competition has been declining the last couple of years; seems like only Coros was actually trying.
So the titanium version it has only solar more than the steel? Because this is something pulling me away from the epix and Fenix 7, of they're not sapphire models they have only single band gps compared to their sapphire versions which has dual or multi band gps....
The 9 baro relies on the older non-multi-band chipset. Unfortunately, not super accurate. These newer Suunto's are some of the best on the market in terms of accuracy due to the new chipset being used.
I get the benefit of battery life, but the lag and stuttering on these MIP watches is just so horrible, I could never use one. Would feel like using a device from the 90's
I must say, I just CANNOT justify the price point when I see this User Interface lag. It's pretty, it's well designed, it's actually PRETTIER than anything Germin, but I just can't pay this money and have such a noticeable lag to the interface. I don't understand what they got wrong there.
Garmin is awesome but suunto lasts longer...my traverse from 2015 is still going strong ...Garmin don't ....i hope garmin will fix that and get a better solar in the future... and suunto is vertical is made in EU...
It is personal but for me Suunto is way better looking watch, Garmin looks so old fashioned and basic. On top of that Garmin fenix is missing depth meter for free diving which straight away disqualifies it for me. It's not all about running and trails. There is a room for improvement for Suunto for sure but it's still my pick for today.
"sustainability". Yet they don't allow the customer to change the battery. Once the battery is dead in a few years you throw your very expensive watch in the bin. What a joke.
Am I crazy or you just decided to ignore the obvious and disturbing interface lag, like there is nothing there?! Come on, this is an expensive watch and it moves like a Fitbit or Garmin from 4 years ago. Don't even want to compare to Samsung and Apple as those are computers with a hand strap, but any other device (including cheap chinese) that had been released in the past 2 years has a snappier interface.
20 years ago, I would disowned myself having brought the Garmin fenix 7x pro sapphire solar at two thousand dollars here in New Zealand. Five hundred dollars for a watch was extreme way back then too. I've been through four watches since then. Awesome review on the Suunto mate
I have the Garmin Instinct 2x Solar Tactical and the Foretrex 801 that I use on deployments. I was going to wait for the Tactix 7 pro to go on sale to have more features and color maps but found that I get a military discount on Shinto’s site. I kinda wanna stick to garmin but I can get the Vertical Titanium solar for $628 shipped. Is there a way to view real time gps maps on the connect app over Bluetooth? It would be nice to have real time satellite maps when grid searching while hunting or grid searching for mines (just training at the moment). I am EOD and use the 801 currently. Can’t afford the Tactix I want at the moment but if I can view real time gps on the connect app over Bluetooth it would hold me over until I can. Thank you 🙏
Suunto is a watch brand that advertises rock-solid performance and sturdiness, but that's not true. I bought a Spartan Ultra for €600, it was repaired twice and now Suunto is telling me that it won't is no longer repairable (8 years later) for a brand like Suunto this is unacceptable, given all the misleading advertising they do on the after-sales service and the solidity of their watches. what they were able to offer me was to buy a watch again
Again, Suunto is at least a generation behind and it's a real shame to say that. It would be good for the market if Garmin had serious competition again.
I'm happy they finally added a long lasting watch to the lineup. I'm happy with my Suunto 7 and it works well, only if the battery lasted longer. I would definitely buy Vertical if my 7 now decided to break. Probably going for the cheaper Vertical.. what is the point of that extra 200 really...
HI Chase the Summit, I have watched your video and its a nice review . I have watched three other videos about this watch and Its looks amazing. I use Samsung Smart watch 4 classic and relie on that watch and samsung health for my entire health profile along with the withing smart body cardio scales. They are Link with Google Health, is the Sunnto Health Portal App and services as good or better then Samsung Health. Also does the New Sunnto get calls, texts and other app notifications.
I have 3 Suunto watches, all excellent devices, but poor battery life. Stopped buying due to battery life, and no Solar options. Now I am again interested in their products. Solar and titanium are my thing.
I don't like their software policy. It's not possible to configure or use the watch without their web or mobile app. With Garmin, I can connect my watch to PC and have access to .fit files directly, without Garmin connect or any other app.
Great vid. And I'm picking suunto. First, best looking aesthetically pleasing over any of the other watches. 2nd simplicity I like the fact that it only has three buttons thirdly hands down the battery life
Does anyone have issues with the underside of the Vertical Watch Strap Lugs digging into their wrist/arm? If yes, has anyone found a positive solution to this situation?
Hey Dave, I have got my hands on the Suunto Vertical today but looks like the weather and solar widgets do not work on iPhone as I don’t have them in the widgets in the app list and if I enable them on the watch they just disable and won’t show??? Any ideas as the weather app is something I really wanted from this watch and don’t want to move to Android from IOS
Hey man nice Video. I have the watch now. But my problem is when i download a map of my area, it just shows me squares on the display and no map. (I have gps) do you have any tips? Thx
ive just purchased the non solar version and with continuous heart rate turned on and a it only lasted for 7 days, currently in the 2nd week ive turned the CHR off and battery has dropped by 8 percent in 1 day, so am not really sure what is going on here
Does Suunto vertical can do the trackback like garmin does?, and it can do the route in reverse as well?, you know in case I got lost doing enduro on a Bike find the way back that’s what I’m looking for
I dont have a Garmin with maps, but one tester I've talked with said the Vertical's maps are smoother and more responsive than what's on the Epix, presumably because of the Suunto not having the in-watch re-routing function. Your thoughts on that?
The animations and scrolling are pretty smooth but I wouldn't say they're significantly faster or better than on the high end Garmin's (specifically on the 965, and Epix). Garmin also displays a lot more data since the maps aren't just an image (like on Suunto and COROS) but instead are data rich routeable maps with map labels and icons for points of interest (water sources, mountain summits, road/trail names, etc...) but I would say the experience with the Suunto Vertical maps is pretty good if you don't need that other data.
@Chase the Summit Thanks for the response, and apologies for the slow reply back. I came across a video that I believe highlights what the testers were seeing regarding the difference in mapping. As noted, high-end Garmin's have re-routing functionality, which surely uses a lot of processing power ... a lot for than the Vertical. But here at about the 3: 17 mark, it definitely looks like the Garmin is very choppy and slow to respond to movements compared with Suunto's implementation. ruclips.net/video/i2WdfDiTwl8/видео.html I could see Garmin's approach working for a more leisurely activity like hiking, but it doesn't seem practical for something faster pace, like running on technical trails or biking.
@@ryantipps5082 I primarily use Garmin’s for trail running on technical terrain and never have an issue with the map. I could see it being problematic for really fast activities like downhill mountain biking but for running it’s totally fine.
And also something to consider (as you mentioned in the video too) is that Suunto is designed and made completely in Finland where as many of the competitor watches are made in cheaper labor countries such as China or Taiwan. Suunto is also the only one who actually has sustainablity aspect in it's product line up.
With those 2 points in mind the price doesn't seem so high anymore.
Of course me being a Finn makes me a bit biased :D
where do they store and process user data?
@@hughjanus7354 china because it's a chinese company. Sad thing is Suunto property will get stolen much like Tesla and Chinese Xpeng.
Owned by China now though..
So, you think Taiwan is a cheaper labor country? Have you ever been there?
Suunto sold out to China like the rest of them. No need to hype them up they gave up the ghost just like Garmin and the rest of them. 🤦🏽♂️
I am a Suunto Dude and i was always super close before buying me a Garmin as i was looking yealous on their solar and map ability. Finally the waiting ended and i preordered the Suunto Vertical Solar. Cant wait to test it.🎉
I hope it's as durable as my Suunto 9 Baro which lead me to a lot of Summits .
Love that the maps are free. That’s a major thing I think.
I'm a Garmin guy but good to see Suunto is upping their game! Keep it up!
I think suunto´s target was and is now again, trail, nature and endurance sport lovers. They seem to return to their origins. Suunto´s path has to be in my opinion, battery, maps, etc. Nothing to do in the smart watches batle. For not much buttons is a good news. In Coros it works.
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I like the Garmin app much more but I’m getting used to the Suunto…better aesthetics
Some of the best looking watches in the business! I can live with the big bezel since solar was added.....I can even live without the music on board. But the lag when interacting with the watch would drive me nuts.
The lag isn't terrible but it's there... I suspect it's due to the CPU power and the fact that Suunto tried to milk the most battery life out of it. However, I'm hopeful it can be addressed in a firmware update.
@@ChaseTheSummitlooks like they have done this - any plans to do an update video of the new software? 😊
Love your videos! Just found your channel. Thinking of the Suunto race or the Vertical. Kinda think more towards the vertical but not sure yet. Oh and where you get your shirt in this video?
Nice move from Suunto :) I am still happy with my Garmins :)
I'm an old school mountaineer -- I don't want a general purpose smart watch, I don't want a fitness watch; I want a mountaineering tool ... not a toy: I don't need lots of features, apps or cool charts that I can download ... just altitude. heart rate, 02, pace (including vertical), durability and crazy long battery life. The maps and some of the other features may be useful .on the margin.. Anyway, for me, it is Suunto all the way and I will be be receiving my Vertical Solar in my mailbox in a couple of days. Cheers.
How useful do you find it for mountaineering? Did you have time to test it?
@@mitroianoI wear it every time i venture into the backcountry. No GPS watch is essential; if you are doing serious route-finding, a GPS such as the Garmin 67i is more robust than any watch, plus (more important) experience.
That said, the vertical is no nonsense watch with multiday battery life and the crystal is indestructible. Having accurate altitude, HR, distance, pace and even a decent map on your wrist is a luxury, but a very welcome one.
My Suunto 9 Baro still does the job... but damn am I tempted to splurge and buy the Vertical!
15:12 one important point here... you can create a route in the app during activity, it will sync in the backgrount and you can pick it, never turning off your current activity. You can also edit th3e route you are currently using, and this will sync and be corrected in the activity you are actually having on.
Where is the routable maps?
Suunto app
wait what ?? so i could just update my route on the phone and it will sync while i'm in an activity running in the bush ??
Nice one bro. Am a suunto person, hence why I came here. A bit confused now between Suunto vertical and Garmin. However, your review is the best that I have watched.
This is the watch i have been waiting for from Suunto. I have 9 Baro, 9 Peak and 9 Peak Pro. But this is THE watch❤
Already ordered from Suunto. Nice test as always from you👍👍
@@rogersellevoll70how are you liking it? I’m a Garmin Fenix 6X user at the minute but very tempted by this, for extra battery, eco pros and (quite simply!) for a change! Always had Garmin so far and interested in seeing what else is around 😁
@@010MACS I have now used it for about a month now,and are really satisfied with the watch. It has a great screen,but not amoled, but really bright. The UI is great and app is in my eyes way better than any other. There is a bit lag in the software and it is far from beeing a smartwatch. But as a primary training Watch for running,hiking etc like i do,this is really good. Changing from Garmin to Suunto? Two different systems,so you might like it,or hate it 😂
😍😍 Dave, the Suunto is much better looking than the Coros or the Garmin. It has traces of the Polar vantage. Finally Suunto is resurrected.
It's a REAL nice looking watch. In fact, it was tough testing this one because it tends to draw a lot of questions and attention in public since it's so stylish.
Except when it takes you something like 40 hours to download US maps Garmin can get done in 3 lol. It took AN HOUR for Dave to download a SINGLE STATE. That’s nuts.
@@zfjamesis it real? 40hrs?
Would love to see a comparison with the Instinct 2X - especially battery life.
I feel like both watches make insane claims on battery life - and I can confirm that my Instinct 2X does indeed last forever in the current sunny summer conditions.
Kinda interested in how the Vertical would perform in a head-to-head.
Loved the vid! Keep it up!
Seems really really laggy, which in my opinion isn't something we should tolerate at such a price point
I'm hopeful they can address the lag in a firmware update. Time will tell.
I´m a Garmin user, but always had the desire of having a Suunto. I still tprefer my Garmin and all its echosystem but maybe that day is comming....
I use both 😊 Love them both too.
I'm a Suunto guy since my 9 and now a Peak 9. They have their own philosophy and they are made in Finland. It's like Finland's mentality in a watch.
They're Chinese now.
@@VirgilOvid 🤦♂
They're not "Chinese" though they are owned by a Chinese company. The Suunto factory and many employees are still in Finland and 90% of Suunto's products are manufactured there.
@@ChaseTheSummit That's still Chinese. It could be 100% operated by Finns in Finland but if a Chinese owner has full ownership then they're beholden to CCP mandates. I'd rather not have a Chinese owned GPS tracker on me at all times and I really hope people think twice before buying this.
@@VirgilOvid exactly. It's unfortunate, but we can't just blindly trust China
Great review! It’s wonderful to see Suunto upping their line of watches with the Vertical. Liked your well balanced coverage.
For me, it undermines the review a bit if you are wearing a Garmin watch during the review of another watch brand.
I got a Suunto Ambit 2 in 2013 when it was state of the art, and I have literally gone all around the world with it, and done everything from climbing Mont Blanc to skiing in Tierra del Fuego to scuba diving in the Galapagos to visiting hunter gatherer tribes very, very deep in the Amazon to adventure races and even hurling matches back home in Ireland. It never let me down, and was a truly massive help on several occasions. The thing was indestructible and so reliable. Hats off to the team at Suunto. I would not buy any other brand and I need an upgrade now. Thanks for the review, I cannot wait to buy the Suunto Vertical!
Brilliant! Please share your experience with the new toy, when you can.
I was going to get the Epix pro … and then I was on the fence with the vertical. Saw I got 30% off of Suunto, and 25% off of Garmin so I bought both. 🤷♂️
How did you get 30% off the Vertical??
Suunto forever!!! Yesyesyes!
They've been killing with design. This continues the trend. Great to see features matching the looks.
It's a great looking watch!
I put usefullness at 1st place, but I cant lie that Vertical looks best of best from all sports watches. Just looks amazing.
Now the Question is.... New Suunto Vertical or a Garmin Enduro 2 ? what's your opinion @chasethesummit ?
My dude... your wrist @5:08... not all heroes wear capes.
lol, yeah this job tends to wear out the ol' wrist from wearing so many different watches! I also got a bit of a sun burn the other day which didn't help!
You look like Thanos in Endgame. "I used the watches to destroy the watches. It nearly killed me."
What's crazy about the music thing is my Suunto 7 has downloadable spotify capability (although i think this is because of WearOS capabilities.)
Another great video Dave. Keep up the good work.
Having recently got the Garmin FR965, an amoled screen maybe a must, when I go back to the Fenix 6 it looks soooo old and dated.
Garmin Look cheap 😂. Suunto or Apple. Garmin in so overated. 😅
Suunto's design is excellent....that is a good looking watch. But I am totally invested in the Garmin environment...so no Vertical for me. But one major thing that Suunto still lacks, is sensor connectivity. No ANT+ would not be exceptable for me!
Unfortunately it seems like most devices are dropping ANT+ support as time moves on in favor of BLE sensors but it's not ideal if you have a bunch of expensive ANT+ sensors laying around.
As a Garmin user, Suunto’s price point makes it a hard sell to switch brands.
The Vertical looks more like an every day watch, as opposed to a Garmin. I like the watch extremely well and it would probably be sufficient for pure hiking. But I don't really like the bezel. I think Garmin does that better.
As a user who went from Suunto to Garmin Epix 2, not a day goes by without me missing the Suunto UX and usability.
In Garmin menus the touch functionality is inconsistent, you can tell they haven't done it for long. And with the 5 buttons with short and long presses it takes you months to learn all the options compared to a week or two with Suunto. The usability of the Garmin has also been noted by several reviewers + some of my friends switching back to Suunto.
Never a suunto user, but I also found the garmin hard to use/learn.
I use a coros now and that was so intuitive. On the Garmin, even six months after ownership, I still ended up hitting the wrong button all the time when looking for lap. The app is also terrible. I mean, to be fair, there's A LOT there, but finding something that's not already on the home page is next to impossible without a visit to google. I was helping someone look for their estimated threshold pace the other day, and we just gave up.
Garmin has a very bad user experience. Garmin connect: I hate it. The Suunto app is much better. The same for the watch usability.
I went from Suunto to Garmin, less than 12 months later I'm moving back, Garmin was ok when it worked, but terrible reliability and build quality.
For me there is only very important question: Is it possible to pause a activity and continue it at for example next day? I came from Garmin and bought a Suunto 9 Baro and couldn't believe my eyes, that this basic function isn`t possible. With the Garmin i did a Hike, slept overnight and continued next day and at home i ended the activity and got one track. With a Suunto it is unpossible - till now?
Still not possible unfortunately.
The watch looks nice, but apart from being deeply invested into the Suunto space there are really a load of caveats to make in relation to the high price. That said, it's a refreshing design difference compared to Garmin and Apple. Might attract the hikers and sports enthusiasts that are looking for alternatives to the Garmin look.
OH MY GOD... I would love the Suunto Vertical, I was always a Suunto fan and had all of their previous watches but unfortunately I'm wearing a Garmin Fenix 6 Pro because it has offline maps AND MUSIC....
The suunto app and is way better than Garmin.
Vertical has 32GB Storage but no music... it's a huge missed opportunity for Suunto 😞
I wait for the Vertical with Music, then finally I'll change to Suunto
I think the Heart Rate inaccuracy might be is issue because of it's weight. Garmin/Polar are usually light (outside of the Fenix type watches) so they don't bounce much.
I wondered that as well though I did have it strapped down REAL tight and the included band is very secure but I don't have large wrists which could be the issue.
A detail that is important to me is missing. How fast are the satellites fixed. Was very frustrated with the Garmin 945 and don't want to make a bad buy again.
I already bought galaxy watch 5 pro, This one would've been a better choice.
Good Watch, but Fenix 7/Epix is still gold standard. Waiting for Polar now to see what‘s coming next.
It appeared the compass and the map was very smooth, rotating nicely and pointing the right way without any delay or lag. Is this better than Coros and Garmin?
You're correct... The Compass and Map surprisingly had little to no delay and the animations are actually pretty good. However, navigating through other aspects of the watch can be laggy which I find odd. In terms of Map/Compass it feels similar to the COROS/Garmin options out there. Garmin does have a bit of lag as well but they also display far more data on their maps with text for every road/trail/POI along with icons while COROS/Suunto simply have a base map with no details.
@@ChaseTheSummit I'd love for you to do a side-by-side comparison with Vertical, Coros Vertix 2 and Fenix 7 in this regard. So annoying when you get to a fork and have to wait for maps and compass to tell you which direction you're actually heading
Great watch! Maps, compass and heading up is so sensitive and without mayor lags. Nice feature.
And nice T-shirt;) Where can I get one??
Suunto fun by the day Ambit3 Peak went out. For me was the best until 9 peak came out. Will try to get the Vertical. Once Suunto only Suunto!!!
Also I don't like the Fenix Military look.
Was a big fan of Suunto long ago, but fail big time back then with updates and drop beta watches that had way to many problems.
Vertical looks nice tho, way to small bands for my taste tho. :) And Price should be lower to draw folks in to try it and with luck like it.
In the GPS test (high accuracy), I am assuming the Garmin 965 was left at its worst setting by mistake (while the Apple watch and Suunto were at their best)? Id so you should've mentioned it in voice as this was quite an unfair test to the 965 (which I have and it is spot on when multi-band is enabled)
yess i do agreed with you they should've put 5 buttons instead of 3..and i came from suunto ambit 3 peak, still using it, loving it...almost bought the 9 peak but luckily did not.
been watching all the reviews about the vertical but none of the reviews mentioned about the return to the starting point function...usually that function crucially mentioned in the reviews but seems to me that no reviewers mentioned about it...
Finally, a Suunto with a knowledge I was looking for
I always preferred the design and attention to detail of Suunto over Garmin.
It's a sharp looking watch. I really like the look and feel of this one.
Great review Dave. Good to see Suunto continue to tweak the typography on their watch faces. Hope that flows down the the P9P.
Good and fair review. I will definitely stick with Garmin. I use Spotify and turn by turn navigation on runs. I don’t understand why other companies don’t integrate music better (or not at all). Am I the only one who uses it?
I load mp3 songs onto my Garmin (old school i guess 😋). I own Garmin, Coros and Suunto. Garmin wins by far. Just the fact that when u are listening to music, there is a voice who gives you the training status is priceless.
I'm seriously looking at the stainless steel version as it has more than enough battery life for me, still looks great and has all the same features as the titanium version, minus the solar charging. In South Africa, I think it may be the cheapest option with a sapphire crystal display. I'd probably add a Coros nylon strap though
The Steel version seems like a great value considering you still get EXCELLENT battery life, a sapphire lens, and all of the other bells and whistles for $200 less!
My Jurassic Ambit 3 has passed away recently... it kept rock steady for all these years though!
I was thinking about replacing it but I have a major concern... I've been thinking about my other metal watches because they heat up quite a bit just sitting in my wrist if they catch a bit of direct sunlight, particularly when I'm trekking in a particular direction or driving for example. All this heat will surely decrease the rechargeable battery lifespan. I don't have experience with titanium materials but I read somewhere titanium is less susceptible to this effect... what do you guys think?
Been a Suunto guy since 15 years ago. Just bought the 9 peak.
Can only hope that Suunto brings this mapping feature in an update to previous watches.
Come on Suunto!
I don't think that's possible unfortunately as the Suunto 9 Peak and 9 Peak Pro do not have internal storage for this type of application.
Suunto Vertical vs Enduro 2 vs Forrunner 965. :D which best bargain which can handle ultra 50 miles 20h. hehe :) I know is hard question because it depend. But if some friend will ask what You will answer :) Thanks mate
i like the i miss you tat
Hi. I want watch exclusively for maps while hiking. Would garmin be better option over suunto in same price range? Tnx
Having a suunto 7 i've noticed that body battery, sleep, steps, heart rate, activity metrics are all really cool metrics but this isn't compiled very good so it's more of a novelty.
Garmin's compile these metrics better to create a health system. Would you say the Suunto Vertical is more like the garmin in this aspect?
Also, I like that the garmin has cool features like climb pro, pacepro. race predictor, stamina, recovery time advisor, running power, hrv, and training readiness. A lot of these metrics are what i'm talking about in the previous statement with all in one fitness/health performance.
The Vertical is very similar to the Suunto 9 Peak Pro / 9 Peak in that department but the underlying app/software has gotten better and matured over time. I think Garmin still has an advantage with some of these metrics but Suunto does have a Race Predictor, Virtual Partner (similar to pace pro), Estimated VO2 Max, Recovery Time Advisor, Running Power, and lots of other tools for training. They also recently introduced a new "training zone" that gives you more insight into training and a virtual coach.
Feels like the price for the non-solar version makes that a pretty competitive offering. It’s an interesting prospect!
Awesome and comprehensive review. Couple of big questions! Is the resources calculation still done by firstbeat, and is it getting the updated algorithms that Garmin would have? And within that with the more frequent heart rate measurements is it going to be more accurate? And second question, can you see your training load and any watch screens? Like the ATL, CTL, form stuff?
Thanks Hunter! To my knowledge there hasn't been any changes with the algorithm used for Resources... It's the same as the 9 Peak and 9 Peak Pro. I would assume it will be a bit more accurate now that Heart Rate frequency is every 1 second but I didn't really notice anything major from my time with the watch. Unfortunately, training load is still not available in a widget form on the watch but you can view your training effect in the logbook in your activities.
@@ChaseTheSummit OK great. Thanks so much for getting back to me, and for all of the detail! Again, excellent review all around.
How is the screen compared to the garmin fenix? On video it looks very good! I tested a fenix 6x next to suunto 7 (with a 1.4 inch display :P. ) and the 6x looked really ugly. Is the Vertical any better?
Also a fair comparison would be the non titanium. I think that price is pretty interesting for still being very premium. And thnx for the great review!
The display is pretty similar to the fenix 7 it’s MIP so it won’t compare to an AMOLED like the Suunto 7. MIP displays are duller to preserve battery life and are always on. It’s still a pretty good display for MIP though and the clarity is better than the Suunto 9 Peak
The only thing that %90+ people want out of these watches is quality maps functionality (names, route planning...) and super long battery life. The Garmin answers that, the Suunto still doesn't on the maps front. However, if Suunto comes up with a bare bones watch that just has Garmin level maps functionality and insane batttery life AND NOTHING ELSE, then they will win, because Garmin have added so much useless stuff that the Suunto can capitalize on that and launch a skeleton winner. A powerful flashlight would be nice too, the garmin Enduro 2 has that and its surprisingly not a gimmick.
100% this!
I'm thinking of buying suunto vertical or garmin epix pro. Which one do u think better?
Depends what you’re looking for they’re both great. The Epix has more “smart” features. The vertical has insane battery life and is a bit more primitive.
Where can one buy that shirt?
It's from a local running club. www.movefreedesigns.com/store/p35/yetirangerheathersage.html#/
Hi Dave, congratulations for this (usually!) excellent video! I was really excited to learn more about this new Suunto watch, having myself been a Suunto fan since 2005. I have very recently changed to a Garmin Epix 2 however for actually very similar reasons that you state - it has more smartwatch functionalities. But above all, it has am Amoled display which for me is still the key feature Suunto watches are missing. I have a 9 Peak Pro and 9 Peak, and had a 9 Baro before that - the screens are in my view the same and are just so disappointing. You also have a point with the 5-button versus the 3-button layout. I was used to that on the Suunto, but I think it has limits if you do not want the touchscreen to work during exercise - which I actually disactivate. And lastly, I wear my outdoor watch during holidays nearly all the time and - yes - I want a great looking watch face. Here Garmin is simply unbeatable and what you can download on the ConnectIQ store is just fantastic. I am really sad for Suunto since I love the brand and its philosophy, and their efforts to be carbon neutral. The new Suunto Vertical is great, but does not beat Garmin for what I am expecting this watch to offer to me.
Suunto have still a lot of homework to do
Dave, in addition to your good mood and that new family approach (your wife's first 50k🙂💪) it's also your good person, your good vibes, good humor, that make your official channel my favorite. keep up the good work. PS: I already ordered the Vertical (steel version, since the titanium one is priced upa upa). Abraço 🇸🇯🇵🇹🇺🇸🇺🇦. PS: doing a quick search on the net I see that steel is more resistant to scratches than titanium, the latter being more resistant to corrosion and lighter. The question remains: what is the ideal for trail, mountaineering, etc?
Thanks for the kind words! Indeed steel is more durable and less likely to scratch but they do apply a scratch resistant coating to the Titanium that helps.
Finally! Now we just need polar to catch up.
They've been quiet for a while. I'm excited to see what comes next.
@@ChaseTheSummit I do hope they come up with a solid FR265 competitor out of nowhere. Competition has been declining the last couple of years; seems like only Coros was actually trying.
Look like you have more of a 6,75in wrist if I eyeball it ok 😂
I was a Garmin guy but I'll try this on my 6,25in wrist! Thanks for all the infos!
So the titanium version it has only solar more than the steel?
Because this is something pulling me away from the epix and Fenix 7, of they're not sapphire models they have only single band gps compared to their sapphire versions which has dual or multi band gps....
I bought suunto 9 baro. The GPS is terrible. So innacurate. My apple watch series 8 blows it out the water which is disappointing.
The 9 baro relies on the older non-multi-band chipset. Unfortunately, not super accurate. These newer Suunto's are some of the best on the market in terms of accuracy due to the new chipset being used.
I may have missed it but what kind of glass is on this watch face?
Sapphire
Need to fix that speech impediment before making your own RUclips channel
Nah, I’m good. But thanks for commenting completely off topic.
I get the benefit of battery life, but the lag and stuttering on these MIP watches is just so horrible, I could never use one. Would feel like using a device from the 90's
Only thing stopping me from getting a suunto is lack of iq store
Suunto did introduce the "Suunto Plus" store for adding features to the watches but it's not quite as capable as Garmin Connect IQ yet.
I must say, I just CANNOT justify the price point when I see this User Interface lag. It's pretty, it's well designed, it's actually PRETTIER than anything Germin, but I just can't pay this money and have such a noticeable lag to the interface. I don't understand what they got wrong there.
Garmin is awesome but suunto lasts longer...my traverse from 2015 is still going strong ...Garmin don't ....i hope garmin will fix that and get a better solar in the future... and suunto is vertical is made in EU...
It is personal but for me Suunto is way better looking watch, Garmin looks so old fashioned and basic. On top of that Garmin fenix is missing depth meter for free diving which straight away disqualifies it for me. It's not all about running and trails. There is a room for improvement for Suunto for sure but it's still my pick for today.
"sustainability". Yet they don't allow the customer to change the battery. Once the battery is dead in a few years you throw your very expensive watch in the bin.
What a joke.
It's not user replaceable but Suunto would do it in their service center for an additional charge.
Am I crazy or you just decided to ignore the obvious and disturbing interface lag, like there is nothing there?! Come on, this is an expensive watch and it moves like a Fitbit or Garmin from 4 years ago. Don't even want to compare to Samsung and Apple as those are computers with a hand strap, but any other device (including cheap chinese) that had been released in the past 2 years has a snappier interface.
20 years ago, I would disowned myself having brought the Garmin fenix 7x pro sapphire solar at two thousand dollars here in New Zealand. Five hundred dollars for a watch was extreme way back then too. I've been through four watches since then. Awesome review on the Suunto mate
Suunto was acquired by Liesheng which is a company backed by Xiaomi...
Is data privacy still ok given Xiaomi is a Chinese company?
I have the Garmin Instinct 2x Solar Tactical and the Foretrex 801 that I use on deployments. I was going to wait for the Tactix 7 pro to go on sale to have more features and color maps but found that I get a military discount on Shinto’s site. I kinda wanna stick to garmin but I can get the Vertical Titanium solar for $628 shipped. Is there a way to view real time gps maps on the connect app over Bluetooth? It would be nice to have real time satellite maps when grid searching while hunting or grid searching for mines (just training at the moment). I am EOD and use the 801 currently. Can’t afford the Tactix I want at the moment but if I can view real time gps on the connect app over Bluetooth it would hold me over until I can. Thank you 🙏
Suunto is a watch brand that advertises rock-solid performance and sturdiness, but that's not true. I bought a Spartan Ultra for €600, it was repaired twice and now Suunto is telling me that it won't is no longer repairable (8 years later) for a brand like Suunto this is unacceptable, given all the misleading advertising they do on the after-sales service and the solidity of their watches. what they were able to offer me was to buy a watch again
Again, Suunto is at least a generation behind and it's a real shame to say that.
It would be good for the market if Garmin had serious competition again.
I'm happy they finally added a long lasting watch to the lineup. I'm happy with my Suunto 7 and it works well, only if the battery lasted longer. I would definitely buy Vertical if my 7 now decided to break. Probably going for the cheaper Vertical.. what is the point of that extra 200 really...
HI Chase the Summit, I have watched your video and its a nice review . I have watched three other videos about this watch and Its looks amazing. I use Samsung Smart watch 4 classic and relie on that watch and samsung health for my entire health profile along with the withing smart body cardio scales. They are Link with Google Health, is the Sunnto Health Portal App and services as good or better then Samsung Health. Also does the New Sunnto get calls, texts and other app notifications.
I have 3 Suunto watches, all excellent devices, but poor battery life. Stopped buying due to battery life, and no Solar options. Now I am again interested in their products. Solar and titanium are my thing.
I don't like their software policy. It's not possible to configure or use the watch without their web or mobile app. With Garmin, I can connect my watch to PC and have access to .fit files directly, without Garmin connect or any other app.
I get my Suunto Vertical solar tomorrw, I let you know What I think, I do Mountainbiking, Kayaking and Camping, so It's gonna be intresting.
Great vid. And I'm picking suunto. First, best looking aesthetically pleasing over any of the other watches. 2nd simplicity I like the fact that it only has three buttons thirdly hands down the battery life
Does anyone have issues with the underside of the Vertical Watch Strap Lugs digging into their wrist/arm? If yes, has anyone found a positive solution to this situation?
Hey Dave, I have got my hands on the Suunto Vertical today but looks like the weather and solar widgets do not work on iPhone as I don’t have them in the widgets in the app list and if I enable them on the watch they just disable and won’t show??? Any ideas as the weather app is something I really wanted from this watch and don’t want to move to Android from IOS
Hey man nice Video. I have the watch now. But my problem is when i download a map of my area, it just shows me squares on the display and no map. (I have gps) do you have any tips? Thx
ive just purchased the non solar version and with continuous heart rate turned on and a it only lasted for 7 days, currently in the 2nd week ive turned the CHR off and battery has dropped by 8 percent in 1 day, so am not really sure what is going on here
Nah I'm good it's laggy as hell looks like a watch from 2015. I'd buy it if it was $250 max not more than this
Does Suunto vertical can do the trackback like garmin does?, and it can do the route in reverse as well?, you know in case I got lost doing enduro on a Bike find the way back that’s what I’m looking for
I’ll stick with my Fenix 7 sapphire solar thanks.
Apart from the battery life, that suunto hasn’t got much going for it
Why is the digital watch face pushed to the left - instead of being centered?
What I visual mess, on otherwise very nice watch.
My suunto 9 peak pro is all the time with bug in my activities.
What kind of bugs?
First time “watching” your channel. What watch are you wearing in this? The lime strap one.
which is better among these garmin instinct 2 solar tactical vs Suunto Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar Forest
I dont have a Garmin with maps, but one tester I've talked with said the Vertical's maps are smoother and more responsive than what's on the Epix, presumably because of the Suunto not having the in-watch re-routing function. Your thoughts on that?
The animations and scrolling are pretty smooth but I wouldn't say they're significantly faster or better than on the high end Garmin's (specifically on the 965, and Epix). Garmin also displays a lot more data since the maps aren't just an image (like on Suunto and COROS) but instead are data rich routeable maps with map labels and icons for points of interest (water sources, mountain summits, road/trail names, etc...) but I would say the experience with the Suunto Vertical maps is pretty good if you don't need that other data.
@Chase the Summit Thanks for the response, and apologies for the slow reply back. I came across a video that I believe highlights what the testers were seeing regarding the difference in mapping. As noted, high-end Garmin's have re-routing functionality, which surely uses a lot of processing power ... a lot for than the Vertical. But here at about the 3: 17 mark, it definitely looks like the Garmin is very choppy and slow to respond to movements compared with Suunto's implementation. ruclips.net/video/i2WdfDiTwl8/видео.html
I could see Garmin's approach working for a more leisurely activity like hiking, but it doesn't seem practical for something faster pace, like running on technical trails or biking.
@@ryantipps5082 I primarily use Garmin’s for trail running on technical terrain and never have an issue with the map. I could see it being problematic for really fast activities like downhill mountain biking but for running it’s totally fine.
You know you have to make Vertical vs. Vertix 2, right? Very similar ...