Black Square Analog Baron for MSFS | In-Depth Review with Commercial Flying Instructor
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Black Square are back - this time it's a Bonanza with two engines, but is it worth picking up? Time for another in-depth review!
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0:14 Introduction
2:48 Baron history
7:57 Interior showcase
13:38 Startup, taxi and runup
42:00 Take-off & performance checks
57:19 General handling and stalls
1:05:35 Rejoin & circuits
1:23:28 Conclusion
Thanks as always to Just Flight for kindly providing this product to review!
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This footage was created by a real world commercial flight instructor. Although you may use this for learning purposes, it is recommended as guidance only and should not substitute any training from your ATO. It is intended to merely provide an insight into real world commercial training operations at a school we are familiar with and to enhance your desktop simulator experience. We are in no position to share or copy any company-specific data. If you are a trainee Private or Commercial Pilot, please refer to your approved training/company documentation ONLY.
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Software used:
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020
Just Flight FS Traffic
PSM50 GTN 750
thank you for a great in depth look. I already own this plane and the 414. I love how the 414 flies and the fact that they keep on adding functionality to it (great EFB, now circuit breakers), but I think that the failure modeling and some of the in depth work on the systems (radio signal degradation, physics simulation on gauge needles etc.) really shines on this plane. I hope they keep improving the flight dynamics.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, there are certainly some fantastic features on this aircraft. Hopefully the Black Square team keep tweaking the handling.
Did you notice that the Asobo external model has 4 of 6 props that are angled the wrong way? It has 1 clockwise prop and 2 counter clockwise on each hub. Once you look at the props at rest you cannot un-see how odd this is.
Yes I read about this on the forums, I really should have mentioned it 😂
Now I can't unsee this 😐
Ah that’s so annoying!! You can’t unsee it!! Well spotted.
Just want to comment on the discrepancy of expected performance from the table and what you have seen in your flight. I think the difference comes from a typo in the flight_model.cfg where the parasite_drag_scalar = 0.62 should read 0.82 for the turbo and parasite_drag_scalar = 0.65 should read 0.85 for the non-turbo version. That would correspond to the same line in the Bonanza. These data are modified versus the default plane values as simple performance adaptation.
With these values, I get @ 12000 ft with 5500 lbs weight a 209 kts GS with 33 in/2400R PM engine settings. That sounds more realistic as handbook data are often a bit optimistic.
Great spot sir! Hopefully they bring an update to fix it.
Great find I changed those figure and feels and performs more like the specs say, many thanks
57:08 I much prefer your "You died" splash screen (and sound effects) compared with the standard Asobo one. Maybe this will become a future feature? 😂 Seriously though, this is a cracking review. Whilst I also already own this add on, I have learnt so much from your thorough and considered instruction and testing. Likewise for the other reviews you've previously provided - they are definitely the most complete ones out there imo, with the ones from ITB as a close second. Well done and thanks for supporting our wonderful community with this quality content!
Thanks! Maybe someone will mod that in at some point :P
Or a flame texture over the screen and a Wilhelm scream.
Clearly one of the most professional review videos I have ever seen. Like taking a real-life orientation flight with a CFI. I too have the product and one thing in the flight model that I would add to your list was the lack of any induced yaw flying at high power/RPM. You can pretty much keep your feet off the rudders for entire flight until you reach the runway again. Still, a very fun airplane.
Thank you! I would say that according to some devs I'm working with on the DA42, the new propeller model has a very strange way of demonstrating asymmetric blade effect, so it's necessary to pretty much remove it to get the single engine performance right - with the side effect of killing all the induced yaw. Hopefully Asobo will fix it soon.
Another strange thing is that the prop of the stopped engine continues to turn slightly. You may see this on turboprop but never on piston engines as the internal friction of the piston engine is way too high to get turned by a feathered prop.
Yes you’re right, although I’m not sure individual devs can do anything about this as the prop physics are an Asobo creation.
29:14 yeah sad that, but there is two I know of which are based in Elstree and the other being Fairoaks with the 'November' registrations
Yes I’ve seen a couple buzzing around here. Not many though!
Yeah, one of them sometimes operates at my local airport which is Shoreham (EGKA)
Great review, agree with your comments at the end of the review, positive and negative.
Thanks!
My man! 💙 20:36
It is a nice add on. We must aldo say that most of the aircraft of this age on the market are all, more or less, upgraded with glass panels. It is hard go find a real life Baron or Bonanza with old steam gauges.
You're kidding right? In the US glass panels are still for LSA's and rich men with their cirruses. The overwhelming majority of us fly with setups exactly like this. Asobo has given a new generation of simmers the impression that GA flying is a 2023 DA-62 with synthetic vision.
@@TobyMikeBravo if you look at aircrafts on sale you see that most if them are upgraded with glas panels.Not G1000 but glas psnels. Here in Europe there are only few remaining. The only american made GA that sell here is the Cirrus. Even in the flying school have aircrafts with glas panels. I am a glider pilot (old school) but youngs pilot even on gliders pay lot of money to install new devices, even on old gliders.
A great and thorough run through. I'm eally enjoying both this and the bonanza.
One thing is confusing me though... At the top right of the instrument panel is a button which swaps between GPS & Nav which is fine but I can't for the life of me work out what the GPS APR button next to it does (it has an ARM or ACTIVE options). I thought it might be a shortcut for arming the approach on the auto pilot but it doesn't seem to.
Unfortunately for me it seems to be the only thing Black Square didn't add to their manual. If anyone reads this and happens to know - point me in the right direction pls. I'm sure it'll be obvious when someone tells me but for now it just sits there taunting me every time I fly... 😅
Glad you enjoyed the vid! I’ll have to have a look at this button myself, I must admit I don’t recall seeing it 😅
@@FlyFromHome Great thanks, though don't worry too much. I'm still at the forgetting to pull the gear up then wondering why I'm stalling in a climb phase so maybe an extra button isn't for me after all... 😅
I do appreciate your vids though, they're great to help me familiarise myself with a new aircraft.
I just bought it, hoping some attention was paid to the flight model.
It’s just another high priced airplane where more attention was paid to failures and turning stuff on than how it actually flies.
I’d prefer this over the C414, but the latter flies so much better.
It’s not a MSFS any longer, as some developers have figured out how to make great flight models.
I think they have improved it a bit but that’s not really the focus of this addon I guess. With them moving into making their own aircraft from the ground up, Black Square might be able to improve the flight models retroactively.
The 414 and the Comanche are really the pinnacles of flight modelling in MSFS though.
Thank you for the nice video. The BS analog planes really are nice planes however the flight modeling is a major issue for me. They really lack a weighty feel, and are just too powerfull/light. The Bonanza for example takes off like a bushplane so powerfull and quick to accelerate and like the Baron just climbs too fast. Maybe not an issue for most but for me, it is really immersion breaking.
I do really enjoy the added functionality and layout etc though. Really enjoyable compared to the glass.
Yeah the flight model needs a little more work, but the systems are excellent.
Cessna 310 or this? I'm interested in realistic wear and realistic failures. I like the idea of cessna getting more dirty as you use it, but it's not critical. Aerodynamics don't have to be super close since I'm not training for actual flying
The 310 is probably the more in-depth simulation but it’s a lot more expensive - pay your money and take your choice!
Does this package add the capability to feather an inop engine?
Yes it does.
Where can I find a POH for the G58P Baron?
You might be able to google one up, but most of the performance tables are included in the manual BS include in the root file of the aircraft.
Thank you for a great video! I wish I new about 414 and 310 before I bought this one)) Please clarify what two buttons you have right next to the right of FS Traffic button in the upper menu? Are they paid nav system?
One of them is the PMS50 GTN750 nav system pop out and the other is the navigraph in game app. Glad you enjoyed the video!
I knew I saw this video post!!!
joking, I know this is a new post. :)
Thank-you for your in-depth review of the Analog Baron from Black Square. My name is Guerry. I’m from the States, and once I found and dusted off my British to English dictionary, I was impressed with your concise yet thorough review of this addon. I have been cutting my teeth on MSFS for about a week (when I have time) and am currently learning on the C152 with that nagging instructor. After all, if you come away walking… At times with my comments I do get verbose. So please feel free to shove a sock in my mouth and let me know if I write too much. I have a thick skin.
However, before I begin my Pulitzer Prize winning comment, would you please answer a question for me regarding MSFS aircraft. Once I feel comfortable with the C152 and think it is time to move on to flying something greater, do you have a recommendation for me to learn flying on a complex, high performance aircraft? I do not care if I already have it on my deluxe version or if I need to purchase an addon. Furthermore, I do not care if it has fixed or retractable gear. I’m guessing that the most important things are the constant speed prop, reasonable performance, and introducing me into glass instruments with the option for steam panels.
I think you gave a very fair evaluation of the Baron. As one who at one time was current with a private ticket, I have flown with friends who owned all types of aircraft ranging from a C172 to a C414, so I am somewhat familiar with the steam instruments and older NAV/COM radios. So I thought your positive and negative remarks were justified. By the way, when you employ colorful metaphors when something goes wrong, you do not faze me a bit. For I am also retired Army and am well versed with such motivational endearments.
Although you corrected yourself later in the video, I immediately remembered the difference between published and actual flight performance of an aircraft. Most certainly, the published performance is prepared by aircraft engineers, who remain sequestered for weeks in a large office room with their slide rules, and are sustained by pizza delivery people sliding nourishment under the door. So I already knew that the published performance charts, etc. are at best starting points for flight planning.
The only thing I might add, which might be considered a bit pedantically trivial in a review is to include dealing with weight and balance planning and how accurately it affects a flight.
I would continue this opinionated litany, but as I have read the other comments, you pretty well answered my other noted concerns.
Thank-you again, sir. I am looking forward to your next review. In the meantime, I will see if I can catch up by reviewing your earlier evaluations.
Thank you for this delightfully in-depth comment sir, I’m very glad you enjoyed the video.
As a first foray into complex aircraft, you might consider the Just Flight Arrow or Turbo Arrow, or the Black Square Analog Bonanza. We have reviews of all of them up on the channel.
Alternatively, if you’re after the challenge of a multi-engine aircraft, I can recommend the C310 by Blackbird or the C414 by Flysimware (my personal favourite), or the Carenado piston twins if you’re after something that flies well but doesn’t have lots of complicated systems and realistic engine damage to manage.
@@FlyFromHome: Thank-you so very much sir! But I forgot to ask a very salient question.
Between the manifold pressure and RPM instruments is a little gauge with a black and white rotating cross. Would you please tell me what that gizmo does? Despite my indefatigable research, I could not unveil its mystery. Nevertheless, it was such a distraction to me as I tried to concentrate on the rest of the video.
Thank-you ahead of time.
I believe you’re referring to the propeller synchronisation indicator. It rotates one way or the other to tell you that one prop is turning faster than the other and you should adjust the RPM (or engage the electrical propeller synchronisation) until it stops rotating.
@@FlyFromHome Thank-you sir!
Great video and I did buy the black square Baron but not the Bonanza, I also have the honeycomb yolk and I do have the bravo throttle quadrant would you be willing to do a sensitivity video on your yoke since you're a real pilot and would know more how it would feel and I'm just a sim pilot
I’m in no way an expert either lol, I usually make a esperante profile and just play around with the sensitivity until things feel ‘right’ to me.
How do you cold and dark
Just spawn at a parking spot 👍🏻
@@FlyFromHome thank you
Glass is overrated anyway.
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I cannot say for the prices in dollars, but I can tell you that this one is 31 euros, when I bought the 414 last week for 29.99 USD on flysimware shop (during a still running sale). So the argument of the Black Square being *much* cheaper doesn't hold. At least, certainly not right now, and by only a thin margin the rest of the year.
I paid around $50 for the 414 when I got it, so I wouldn't say that's a thin margin! I certainly think the 414 is worth the extra though - it's hands down my favourite aircraft in the sim.