Does A RAM HD With Air Suspension REALLY Ride Better Than One Without?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- I did a video comparing the cabs of these trucks and now I want to see if the air suspension option really does make a difference in terms of the ride!!! Thoughts? || Like || Subscribe || Share ||
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I would like to explain a few things. Just sold my 2015 air ride max tow and got a 2022 air ride max tow. These are closed systems filled with nitrogen. They never take in outside air so moisture isn't a problem. It just moves the gas back and forth. I live in the U.P. of MI at -20 never a problem.The leaf springs on the non air ride, you are riding on a pack of 4 springs with 2 overloads on top and the spring on the bottom front is there for controlling axle rap when loaded, like a traction bar or slap bar for us old guys. The air ride has 2 leafs that you ride on that is where the better ride comes from. The airbag is like overload springs. If you would have pushed on those bags with your finger there was no gas in them. And the 2 springs on the bottom are there for both overload but more so for axle wrap control. When you have weight traction. When empty the tires will just spin. My 15 had those 2 springs going forward of the axle only for axle wrap. I would say the 22 has more power so the springs need more control. The 15 road is better than the 22. The bags will play a part with the ride when carrying a load. When you saw that system leveing that was only because you braked hard and the rear of the truck came up the sensor read a defearance it didn't move any gas. The bags were already empty. The system on the 15 & 22 do opeareat differently. But I talk too much as it is. This system is simple & brilliant just my 2 cents.
Great explanation 👍🏾👍🏾
So the bags are empty when cruising around without a load? or minimal air in them but enough to make a difference in ride quality?
@@Laurant956 Yes, a real big difference. But on my 2022 they screwed up the system. On the 2015 when you would air down it would stay there even with fuel in the tank in the bed of the truck, you road on the springs only. Road better then my 3/4 03. My 22 will air down then reads the load is too heavy and air back up, you can't stop it. It does not ride near as nice as the 15 did. The 22 has more leaf spring also. Still a 2 main leaf but where as the 15 had 2 additional in front of the axle only ( like slap bars ). The 22 has it in the rear also. There are a whole host of things changed on the 22 that is just bullshit and could lead to trouble. I am sorry I got read of my 15. I would take a 15 over a 22 in a minute. Both trucks have the HO engine 4:10 gears.
@@upnorthyooper1196 Thank you for the reply we are currently trying to debate if it is worth the extra $1705 on our build but I am getting a lot of mixed answers plus we tow a bumper pull TT with a tongue of about 800lbs and use a WDH so I was told i would have issues with the WDH and Air ride together or to always run in Alt trailer height 🤷🏽♂️
@@Laurant956 Are you buying a dually to pull a bumper pull? The air ride works differently on a single wheel.No matter what you are pulling with a 22 dually I would buy the air ride? The WDH will not hurt the air ride system on the dully. When I said it airs up it doesn't air all the way up. So the ride is still a LOT better than just leaf springs. Airs just what it needs for the preset ride height and the 22 will do it automatically for you and you can NOT hurt the air bags. I wouldn't buy the HO engine, you don't need the extra power that just seems to confuse the computers shift points.
Daily drove a '12 ram 3500 CCLB DRW for 235,000 and a '17 f350 CCLB DRW for 120k (current) both with 109 gal transfer tanks. Also driven various 3/4 tons. Both DRW trucks were easy to daily once you got used to it. But there is a VERY noticeable difference in ride quality with huge points for the ram. Ford took to much weight out of the truck and hurt ride quality.
Thanks for costing me an extra $1700 for my next truck since now I need an air suspension.
All seriousness, first good side by side comparison of ride quality. Thanks for that.
You should do a video on the dealership you go to the most. Maybe interview a sales person and the finance manager. That dealership seems to have the trucks.
Not a bad idea 👍🏾
I went to my dealership and asked who work they never heard of your short videos who work ram .they liked it
Great video JB. I do have the air suspension on my SRW 3500 HO Limited Mega. I got the black with the midnight package and it’s been great. You can also soften the ride when your not towing by taking a little bit of air out of the tires when empty. I have zero complaints after a 11 months of ownership.
Air suspension is one of the things I would most definitely pay for on a truck it is well worth having. Thanks for comparing the 2 trucks JB.
I added air ride on my 03 dually and that truck rode like a dream
I pull a 43' 5th wheel Forrest River Sabre camper with my 2007 Ram Big Horn 2500 Cummins. In the last couple weeks I have decided to upgrade and order a new Ram. I was debating over getting a Laramie or a Big Horn. By watching your videos I have decided on buying a Laramie. I am ordering a Ram 3500 with the high output Cummins crew cab short bed. I was debating over the air suspension and had pretty much decided on getting it. After seeing this video I'm sold 100% on it. Thank you JB!!!!
Love mine, but gotta say possibly my favorite function is the adaptive cruise control.
I love the side-by-side comparison you do bro! Extremely valuable info! Definitely looks like the suspension is worth it. My truck has the aftermarket Air lifter suspension with their wirelessly controlled onboard air and I probably have as much money into mine as this option. To have it integrated into the factory suspension system and to actually improve the ride is a no brainer to me.🇺🇸💪
Thanks Bro 👍🏾🇺🇸🇺🇸
Dude! I hear exactly what you're saying. I just traded my 2019 RAM 3500 dually (which was a Bighorn) in on a 2022 RAM 3500 dually (Laramie) and it has the HO with 420hp, 1075lb torque, and it does not have the air suspension under the back. It definitely rides harder than my other truck! Without a doubt! Up here in PEI Canada, we get harsh winters, and our roads take a beating! Right now, we have frost heaves in the road that get this truck airborne if you're not careful. It will rattle your kidneys at times, so you need to be a bit more diligent when driving it. That's for sure. However, she's my daily driver, and I love it!
Great video JB. I love the air suspension on my 2024 Ram HD 3500 Dually Limited Longhorn. On a different subject, the adaptive cruise control is a game changer.
I test drove 4 different configurations w/o the air suspension set up. Gives the rough ride you expect. When I ordered my 2022 DRW I removed all the chrome and got max tow w/ the savings. The daily driving is massively improved, to me it's just as comfortable as my father's f-150. Towing wise, you're still feeling the pot holes.
I have a '22 3500 DRW with the air suspension & 4.10 rear. It rides better unloaded than my '18 2500 SRW. Under load, it's even smoother. I couldn't be happier with the money spent on the Max Tow package. Worth every penny.
Thanks for sharing Eric, If I go dually next, I will probably skip max tow but will get the 4.10/air 👍🏾
Agree 100%, I keep telling people I can’t believe how smooth my 22 DRW is. It rides smoother unloaded (just toolbox and 5th hitch) than my 1500 did.
Seriously people? Better than 2500 or even 1500? Really dude?🤡
@@yz2616 The '12 1500 I had before the 2500 had a really soft suspension even with the off-road package so I don't think that's a valid comparison (plus it's a much lighter truck). But yes, the 3500 with air suspension definitely rides better than my 2500 with rear springs. No question at all.
I’m a hotshot trucker I had a 2022 3500 tradesman until a 900lb elk ran out of infront of me so I upgraded to the 2022 3500 Laramie dually with air and it is night and day difference towing takes a lot of the rigidity from the gooseneck making a super smooth ride… I feel like the bags feel better under load
You have to come and drive in my yard like you used to. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
JB, I took the plunge and just purchased a 2022 3500 6.7 H.O Limited Longhorn Mega Cab SRW from Criswell. I am trading in my 2018 3500 Laramie. I drive down to Maryland and pick it up Saturday. It has just about every option except the air suspension. Thanks for featuring their dealership on your channel or I would have never found my new truck.
That’s awesome and congrats 👍🏾👍🏾
Definitely needed to verify the tire pressures of both trucks before starting, on 17 inch rims you can change the ride significantly going from the max sidewall pressure to something a little more reasonable for an unloaded truck.
I ordered my 22 ram 3500 HO megacab with about every option except max tow I wanted 3:73 and air suspension. We test drove the air suspension and it had a strange hoping feeling to us.
That said our 22 dually rides way smother then our 16 megacab srw. Both trucks are 4x4. My only complaint about the truck is the glitchy 12" screen and the DEF consumption is horrible compared to my 16. My wife and kid both think the 22 dually rides better then my 16 srw.
Thanks for sharing and congrats on your rig!
You should do a height comparison in regards to the beds of the trucks with and without the air bagd
Spot in reviews bro
Another great side x side comparison video! Thanks! I've noticed an extra sticker on either the windshield or side window on some of your more recent videos. Are those dealer upcharge stickers?
Thank you and they are and I believe they were $3k above MSRP
@@JB_WhoWork Thanks for the reply. Even though I don't agree with any upcharges I guess 3k is better then the 10-15 we have seen..
I have a 2021 mega cab long horn limited DRW with 90,000 miles. Love the way it rides with a trailer little ruff without Probably going to put airbags on it love the idea of lowering pressure on back tires
Wow, you are working that Cummins lol 💪🏾💪🏾
This is a great video. I'm on month 6 waiting for my SRW 3500 longhorn.
Wow… I’m bummed by the wait times… Seems like everyone has a different wait time at the moment… Depending on what RAM does for 2023, I may order one this year. Thanks 👍🏾
I'm on month 1 of waiting on my srw 3500longhorn.. ... Dealer told me around 16 weeks... I hope it's not 6 MO....
I got my 2022 3500 limited srw w/air suspension in about 4 months.
My 2022 2500 Cummins order took about 6 months. Ordered July 9 2021, delivered to dealer Jan 12 2022. At least it came near my birthday, Jan 17th!! Love my Ram Laramie w/ Ram air suspension!!
I have a 21' 2500 night edition in black with rear air suspension, the black is sharp but a pain to keep clean. I see upgrading to a 3500 someday not sure srw or drw but if it is a Ram I will go back with the rear air suspension
Yup, it’s really worth every penny and my biggest regret on ordering my truck 3 years ago 👍🏾
Hey JB I enjoy your vid‘s. I just picked up my my 2022 ram 3500 with the HO motor with 8 foot bed Laramie edition with the chrome package. Loving it so far. My 2011 ram 1500 with the big hemi drove like a sports car compared to this 3500. The weight difference is amazing.
JB if the black one had air ride I’d say go for it. Trade today. To me the white doesn’t have the character without the night package. What do you think
Honestly a HO dually w/o air towing my fifth wheel is still child’s play lol! It doesn’t even touch the bump stops with 2700#’s of pin weight 💪🏾! If night was available with my RAM, I would have selected it without thinking about it. I personally think with my truck having painted bumpers it looks great and lessen the amount of chrome it could have👍🏾
I get my truck back from the shop tomorrow. Wish you lived out here to compare the ride between stock, and mine with the Carli 3.25” pin top.
Ahhh man… that’s gonna look amazing! Stock wheels? I wish you weren’t 2000 miles away either lol!
@@JB_WhoWork staying with the stock Alcoa’s. The tires are 37x12.5. Basically the last mega cab dually video CJC off-road did is going to be how my truck will look.
On my ram I've noticed that when we first bought it the ride was more stiff and after about 5000 miles the ride was way smother
My understanding is the wheelbase is the same on the mega cab with short bed vs crew cab with long bed.
I have a ‘17 3500 Limited DRW with the air-helper suspension. They may have changed since then, but on mine it has 2 settings: “Alternate ride height”, which deflates the bags OR Regular ride height. And you can only change from one to the other when stopped. I don’t think the air bags do anything for the ride when the truck is empty… the leaf springs are doing all the work at that point, but Once loaded it definitely makes a difference. Sounds like the system has changed & more options have seen added since my version.
The longbed has a longer wheelbase than the MegaCab SB.
The air suspension for 2019 has been updated to accommodate better on road characteristics but that is to go along with a few other updates as well 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork wow I’ve always thought they were the same length.. i thought the amount removed from the long bed was simply added to the crew cab length resulting in the Mega Cab. Thanks for the info, sir!
Agree - I don't believe any truck rides as good as the Ram OEM air. I have it on my 2016 and won't have another truck without it. I added the Sulastic shackles to the rear to absorb the minor bumps and they made the ride even better.
Just picked up a ‘24 ram 3500 DRW HO. I upgraded from my ‘20 ram 3500 DRW SO.
Would have liked a quick view of the payload capacity difference between the two
I have the Laramie three-quarter ton with factory airbags,,,, and I love it,, as a every day driver, and for towing,,,
(Cummins) the most amazing truck, Lol
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Hi congratulations for you got the new RAM. I have a question for you, why you buy it from Idaho? Good deal?
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Had air ride on my last three trucks and never a single issue with any of them. I always mount the compressor in the cab behind the rear seats so its not under the truck taking in moisture. The ride is much better with air ride and if you tow there is no comparison.
The backseat is the real test, that is where I find that people hate riding in them
I would also think adding airbags after the fact u won't get the same benefits. Since different leaf pack design
Nope, adding bags will probably make it ride worse
I thought the Towing Package, with the 1075 ibs/ft of torque included a finned differential cover, or has that been dropped ...?
Yup it was dropped awhile ago
Have you ever done a video for those buying used Ram 3500s and what to look for and what to add?
I have not but I will keep this in mind!
I have not but I will keep this in mind!
any reviews on the 4500/5500 rams ? for the guys getting into hot shot
I have a few reviews on them, check out my playlists 👍🏾
Is it an optical illusion but does the black one look smaller than the white???
Is the air suspension you're checking out the factory/stock suspension or an aftermarket?
I just looked up air suspensions for my 14 Tradesman. If I end up not going with the Silverado, I may have to invest something and get this one equipped! This thing is about as bouncy as a truck could be!
It’s probably an illusion and the air suspension is factory
One thing that’s crazy is watching the video I see the seat moving a lot more in the one with air suspension vs the non air suspension so what’s up with that?
I have a 2022 ram 3500 long bed high output Cummins with the air suspension and I tow on a regular basis approximately 14,000 pounds and sometimes I’m towing seven days a week, if I’m not towing I feel the truck is very comfortable to drive and I think it handles great on windy roads, but while I am towing the air suspension is automatic and adjusts its self, so on bumpy roads with a heavy load the vehicle gets very stiff and very bumpy, I’m comparing this to my 2016 ram 3500 single rear wheels and under a load with that truck it just became very comfortable to drive so I do feel for around town driving it’s very comfortable but when you load it up heavy and you get on a bumpy road especially when you have to slow down you really feel the bumps in that air suspension really does work well but it does get stiff when loaded also I recommend if someone wants to put a lift kit on one of these trucks do not buy the air suspension because it’s too complicated and too expensive to try and modify, I would stick with the leafspring suspension that would be the easiest to put a lift kit on, but if you’re towing heavy loads like myself you cannot go wrong with the air suspension system, thank you for the great video you always give good videos you’re a good guy👍
Thanks Jon and I learned something from this post. I haven’t been able to test out a RAM 3500 air suspension truck with pin weight. It would be nice if ram allowed you to override the system to make it soften up 👍🏾
JB Reviews just recently I was on a bumpy road with a heavy load I tow my tractor for the work I do and the road was so bumpy the suspension
got so stiff I stopped and press the button to lower it I think it lowers it maybe half an inch up to 3/4 of an inch and it did soften it up a little bit but it changed how the truck drove it was actually better with the backend higher and stiffer but I think you can soften it up when it goes in lowering mode it’s kind of complicated because we can’t manually adjust it but overall it’s really a good truck and I think Dodge sets it up this way for liability reasons longevity warranty etc. and I think no matter what someone drives they should be very proud of what they have and what the cost of these things we all work so hard to pay for them I think Dodge Ram has done a good job.
Have you done any videos/reviews on leveling kits?
I have not only because I haven’t done one yet
Would like to hear your perspective. I've got a 3500 swr ho/aisin on order and considering a leveling kit. Appears there's more than one brand /kit out there
Check out CJC Off-road, they have great info and who I will consider when I do any lifts 👍🏾
Found some videos from cjc, 👍
Did he say the spring setup is different/lighter with the air bags?
I have to disagree my experience with my 2020 3500 DRW with rear air suspension rides like crap unloaded. Any bump I hit in the rear is very harsh and if anyone is in the back seat will actually get airborne. This is my only pep peeve of this truck, I wish I could lower the air pressure in the rear bags when I'm not towing. Other then this issue, I absolutely love the truck, It pulls my 21K pound 5th wheel like a dream.
Is this at lower speeds or all the time? This is true at lower speeds
Mega cab is way sexier & it’s a nicer color😁🤘🏼🤘🏼
My next truck...
Blackout?
@@JB_WhoWork Blue with midnight edition .
How is the longevity of the air suspension
Are they durable for years to come?
They are great when they work, in cold climates they can be very temperamental... also like any other parts, with age and use they wear out.
I have a 14' 2500 with factory air suspension, it rides great ill give it that but not worth the headaches when it isn't functioning properly.
I will be converting it it coil suspension with some kind of suspension assistance.
the biggest factors of my decision is price, reliability and safety
If an air bag blows there is no other suspension components other than bump stops to fall back on.
The price of air bags, compressor, suspensio modules are all expensive at $700+
So for me to convert to coils and add aftermarket bags/timbrens/summo etc I'm still under price of one bag.
I loved
I don’t know how you could possibly beat that black truck.
Only with air ride bro. Lol
Yup… such a beast, whenever I see one I’m always itching to build one 👍🏾
Does the new Dodge 1500 limited air ride better than Coil Springs
Not in my view. I had a 2013 1500 four corner air. System crapped out, thanks to my cold climate in Alberta. I swapped out the air with coils and OEM struts. Straight swap. I found NO difference in ride quality after the switch.
How much air lbs were you testing with?
This system comes from the factory so it has a air tank that does not show PSI
Really shouldn't refer to that as an air suspension , it is a leaf sprung suspension with an air assist, leveling system, and is sold as that. the ride difference is simply the extra leaves, thats the case with any truck" add leaves, ride rough "
Why is "Ebony and Ivory" playing in my head...?
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Theres a black dually at my local dodge dealer exactly like that one...kudos dodge
Come to Santa rosa California you could mix a drink in the truck in my air ride single rear wheel 2021 🐏
Once you buy a dually… you’ll always buy a dually if you haul !!! My 2020powerstroke dually rode better than my 22 HO. I live in NY and the roads here are the some of the worst roads in the country !! That being said the Ram isn’t bad for everyday driving.
The suspension on the Ford trucks do seem a little softer but I haven’t driven one in awhile so I’m just going off my memory 👍🏾
Put a loaded trailer on and then have an option on air lol
Why haven’t they sold those trucks yet ?
They are gone
This video is 3 months old 😅
Just move from thurmont to baltimore. You'll find those rough roads 🤣
LOL
I got a ranch full of dead Tams from 2001- 2019 all started out baddas, ended up all being cheap ass shit. Plastics in rams dryrot in 3- 5 years. All of them .
Def not 37” tires on night edition.
I’m saying if you get the 37” tires on it, it makes it look so much better 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork my bad, I missed that. My Ford drw has wheels, and 34" tires and leveled and looked awesome, but tougher to get a level tow. My 21 drw night edition ended up getting new wheels and 33" tires and i tow level now with my toy hauler, but tires don't look as good as before. :)
Do you have air suspension?
I don’t think you really understand what you’re talking about. Neither one of those trucks are air suspension trucks. Air suspension and airbags are two different things. Airbags is just basically for load truck leveling. Air suspension is different
It’s just those horribly ugly mirrors 😞😞😞
Wrong Dodge is a maintenance nightmare. In the hotshot business Dodge breaks down way more than any other diesel with the exception of stupid people hauling with Nissan diesel trucks.