POTENTIALLY DEADLY POTASSIUM PERMANGANATE (PP) KOI FISH TREATMENT NEEDED😮*PART 1👍**
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2020
- Just as the POND NITRITE LEVELS were starting to come down I find a PARASITE IN THE POND that needs treating.
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When Steve @pengkoi gives you advise just do as he says, top bloke who knows the hobby inside out, I'd suggest people of Stoke on Trent pay him a visit,
Good video. Lots of people down south in US get sick fish too from too warm water all winter. I am in Ice Cold Canada where my koi live outside since 1991 in ice cold running water in temperature's -35 to -40 below. Never lost a koi EVER, just keep the water running
They go bad in well water after about 45 days with me. Always running fresh water, with a freshwater spring feeding into it. Without well water, they are fine all year. With well water, like I said, they go bad.
Good video, very useful and helpful. Keep the content coming 👌
Thanks, will do!
Thank you for the great info, great video!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for filming not a fan of pp myself but have always had it on hand just in case and for cleaning pond equipment and new stuff seems to have been a bad year for the bugs so far this year hope that's cleared it for you thanks for the run through and filming
Yes PP is a pain when you've almost sorted the Nitrite levels when your filters get knocked back. I'm going to do another in 5 days to see if I can extend the time its in the pond for better effect..
Iam sorry for your problem, I know how frustrating it is when you have a problem with your pond , I have a pond 4000 gal and when something goes wrong , I get stressed out ,, there like any other pet there family ,and you want them to be strong and heathy good luck , I will go watch your part 2&3 now 🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟
ive never used PP...think im a little scared of it, ive seen some of the damage it can cause to fish...but goodluck
Hi I wouldn't really want to dose my pond with pp unless I had a redox /orp meter on hand, this allows you to maintain the correct level of pp for the full four hours, as you do have to keep topping up the pond with pp as it becomes spent. I think you said you had algae in the pond and if I'm not mistaken this will use up the pp hence the reason it went brown so quickly. Great new channel, I have subscribed
Thank you, yes that is a good point about the Algea using up the PP!
Hi Andy early days video , just added pp to mine, ( costia) cheers for the video helped me a lot.
No worries. Gladnit helped. Did you see part 2. That shows how it all went from further doses..😉👍
Hope your PP treatment sorts out the problem, once the PP goes brown colour its basically not doing anything you can neutralize it with hydrogen peroxide so you can monitor your Koi again. thank for sharing
Did you get a brown scum left on the surface after?? I've been skimming it off with my net..
@@KoiPondLifestyle No None at all but that could be breakdown of the PP in the water and what it has dissolved
Beautiful image of trichodina (Not beautiful but... you know what I mean). Subscriber #82. Well done.
Thank you..
@@KoiPondLifestyle Wow you blew up in subscribers since (not so surprised ha ha). Again fantastic image - just had to share with other.
Good luck getting rid of trich with Pp as I tried all sorts to get rid of it in my pond for 18months but it never completely went. I tried multiple doses in a short time span, extended time doses and other treatments but to no avail! In the end I went with some advice from a koi breeder who recommended raising the salt level to 1% for 3 days then dumping 50% of water so as to reduce salt back to 0.5% and then letting water changes reduce back to 0 over time. This needs to be done very accurately with salt meter and the fish watched carefully as they can survive this level of salt but the trich can’t as long as you don’t bring the salt up slowly, I put that much salt in over 1 day 440kg of salt for my pond ( scary ) it has an osmosis affect on the trich like putting salt on a slug, it has same affect on the fish which is why a 50% water change needs to be done after 3 days.
THIS SHOULD ONLY BE ATTEMPTED IF YOU ARE CONFIDENT YOU CAN GET TO 1% ACCURATELY
this worked for me and as yet I have been trich free for over 7 months 😎
Hi, Thanks for watching. I have looked into the salt in the pond idea but once you've added it it never goes away until the water has naturally replaced it? I have salt bath fish in the past which seems to be a temp fix for a lot of things as well as parasites as they will die before the fish does in the concentrated salt water... Got an update in my next video on how the PP went..
Hey Mate good choice of treatment! we had PP our pond last month and haven't seen a single flashing for weeks...fingers crossed! keep your video coming pal.
Hi, Yes I saw your video, and subscribed to your channel as you have some interesting things going on there in sunny Australia mate. You did a good job there mate. How many treatments did you do as I usually do 3 over 3 weeks to catch the eggs as they hatch if there's any around? Keep the vids coming.. Cheers, ANDY...
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Many thanks Pal! our channel is only new and glad that you enjoy watching it! Koi keeping is hard in Aus due to most states banned having koi, we are fortunate here in Western Aus where we can still enjoy this hobby. There is also no chance of importing good bloodlines from overseas as it is illegal to import too. We only use PP twice a year in Spring and Autumn didnlt really have any major parasite scare so far...touch wood!
@@KoiPondLifestyle we are also your new happy subscriber #1.52K+ hope to learn from one another & look forward to your channel update too!
@@saionnthia Cheers. Why is the Koi keeping banned in Australia??
Hi Andy, carp were originally imported into down under as game fish and have since spread throughout many waterways. They pose a major environmental threat, as it can rapidly outnumber native fish and greatly disturb aquatic environments through their destructive feeding habits. Many States is developing controls to reduce the number of carp in Australian waters. Sadly we have idiots that like to dump their unwanted koi into local lake very often too!
I use Parziquantel for Trich and works like magic. Try Montmorillonite( Koi clay) after, it will boost your fish's immune system up after chemical treatment. i do Montmorillonite every week for my Koi pond.
Hi, Thanks for watching, and the info. I have recently started using clay. I made some videos with it and how it has helped my pond. Please subscribe and check out my other videos and see what you think? Cheers..
When I use pp I have a quarter dose ready when I see it starts to be not as purple I add a quarter dose in I normally use around a extra full pond dose when using pp to make sure it’s purple for 4 hours hope this helps :)
I think people mess with things too much. It doesn't take all of this. They thrive in mud pools in Japan. Just feed and filter water they will be fine
I agree. Using chemicals that hammer bacteria should never be done when there is nitrite in the pond. A basic understanding of the nitrogen cycle, the affect of nitrite stress on a fishes immune system (and therefore the fishes ability to resist pathogens), would make this common sense. Taking advice from a chemical medicine seller (the Koi shop) is dubious.
Hi I was wondering what microscope u use and what make it is thanks
Nice one sir...
Thank you..😉👍
That's awful! Thank goodness my koi never get sick as they go though 6 months of extreme cold in Canada in ice cold running water keeps parisites away. My two oldest koi are 30 years old and never had a sick koi. You need to let them go though cold period with very cold water. My water temperature is barely above freezing all winter and my koi do so good in ice cold running water. Your pond will be much healthier if you let them have proper winter like all cold water fish
Hi, thanks for the feedback. My Koi pond isn't heated so temps have been in the near freezing each winter. Your real lucky not having parasites before. In the UK we seem to get them more in the spring as the ponds come out of winter when the Koi are more vulnerable. My fingers are crossed this year we don't experience anything like that this year..
@@KoiPondLifestyle many years ago before I had ponds had goldfish inside and they got sick scratching and it was horrible. Here in Canada we have very cold long winters of six months in ice cold running water and it seems to keep them healthy. Summer my ponds rarely get above 17 Celsius too. Spinning balls and deep shady pond keeps water coolers
Interesting. How do you feed your Koi for growth if your temps are so low for so long??
@@KoiPondLifestyle they don't eat for six months as it's too cold. I stop feeding mid September to early October. In summer they eat high quality Puppy chow made here in Alberta. I feed them this since 2001
@@KoiPondLifestyle they make up for growth in Summer. Maybe long periods of fasting and sleeping below the ice makes them extra hungry. In summer big koi swim very fast and come half out of water for this puppy chow. They eat more than my two dogs I swear!
Are you in a koi club? If not you should join the Potteries & District Koi club. We are from all around stoke on Trent. 👍🏻
Hi and Thanks for watching. I'm not part on any club at the moment. Its always interesting to hear from other local Koi pond keepers and share experiences.
Koi Pond lifestyle. You should come to our meeting and meet us all.
I thought that your pond was being vandalized by a stranger pouring dangerous chemicals into the water . 😳 scared me!
😉😂 No it is me, but the potassium Permanganate I was using can be quite dangerous to the fish... 🤔👍
3:49 I can confirm the trichodina. These protozoa can be killed with potassium permanganate, but bacteria like Bacillus columnaris also appear in the spring, right? How do you kill the bacteria?
Hi, I've not had to deal with Columnaris or 'Saddleback' before but I hear that many expert fish keepers recommend a combination of nitrofurazone and kanamycin as the best treatment for an outbreak of columnaris? I would suggest asking your local fish supplier for their advise as well? Water quality plays a big part in the promotion so regular water checks and good quality water will also help.
Thanks
what abbout fish affected by fungus and what treatment for cattle fish
I believe there is a product called vercon (not sure about the spelling) that I've not used yet but others on RUclips have made videos on it.
Did you change the water or just do nothing after that? Is the PP toxic to fish if it is not cleared out of the water? I watched a few videos and most of them change the water after the pp treatment.
Hiya, once the PP is 'spent' or turns brown, it's no longer toxic. You can remove the brown spent PP with Hydrogen peroxide, but this is usually so the water clarity I better guicker, but your adding more chemicals. Yes I would water change after the PP treatment. The PP is a very harsh pond treatment and can strip oxygen from the pond very quickly, so as much air as possible should be added during treatment.... Thanks for watching.. There was a follow up video (part2) that demonstrates the Hydrogen peroxide you might find interesting. 😉 👍
I used BSDT and Fluke M haven't tried PP
PP can be good but knocks back the the filters and will kill any good bacteria on the walls of your pond. Second dose and a scrape test to come...
@@KoiPondLifestyle maybe a PP dip is best. Ill stick to BSDT and fluke M for no
See I had costia a few weeks back and i did 3 doses in 3 days as expected first dose went bron in about a hour so did next day did 3 hours and 3rd day it lasted 4. But as far as my filter went it didnt do any noticible effect on the filter at all. So i dont know if it does knock your filter back. Did you notice higher reading after doing it?
@@HEDST8 high Nitrite for 3-4 days so water changes, reduced feeding and now back to normal. Cheers. KPL...
Always have hydrogen peroxide on hand before using then measure as per instructions & pray good luck people's.
How did the treatment turn out
Hi, Thanks for watching. All good so far I'm just working on an update on how the treatment went after nearly a week has past, but so far so good, even though the pp only lasted 1hr 40mins at the longest.
Did you add any new. Fish ?
Hi, Thanks for watching. Yes I added 3 new fish a while back bt they had just been scraped and tested before I had them.
sir even I see my fishes rubbing against substrate can i use pp solution on
albino pacu
sharks
tinfoil
PP is a very harsh treatment that I use if nothing else works. It depends what your treating your pond for?🤔
@@KoiPondLifestyle they are flashing
also can it be used over scale less fishes??
@@rishabhraj8172 hiya, you could do with determining what is causing the flashing so you are accurate with your treatment. Yes PP can be used with scaleless Koi..👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle sir for what are all reasons do they flash?? i have no idea
@rishabhraj8172 I always check the water parameters first. PH, KH, ammonia, Nitrite, Temperature. Fish food stuck in the Gill straight after feeding... If All those are good then look at scraping the fish that's been flashing the most to see what could be on the fish..🤔
How do you think you got Tri?
I really have no idea mate were the parasites come from. Some say it could be from bird droppings and others say they could be introduced through new fish to the pond if just one fish has comes with an egg attached to it?? Thanks for your interest in the pond.
I had 10 years of Tri free bought a new Chag at Christmas from my normal supplier and bang infected.
Found out later they haven’t been quarantined properly.
PP treatment and still present to this day in a very small amount. Didn’t keep the PP purple enough for 4 hours.
You supposed to keep the water purple throughout the 4 hours
Hi, thanks for watching. Yes I was hoping to keep the PP active for the 4 hrs so next time I will remix more to keep it going for the 4hrs. Cheers...
I don't like the method of testing... The rod to break tablets were moved to each test vial without cleaning. Vials were shaken without lids on which would alter results
Thanks for sharing
Have you got a link to this microscope?
Hi, Thanks for watching. Great bit of kit to allow you to react quicker. Link is from Amazon www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07LGVLF1Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@KoiPondLifestyle Thanks very much, found the channel yesterday and watched almost all of the pond videos, really well put together and enjoyable to watch! Might not be so easy but would love to see a more detailed explanation video of how you built the hang over edge frame for the aquarium! Keep up the good work :)
@@foxyben1212 Hi thanks for your comments. New video coming out tonight. Hope you enjoy it. I have a video planned where I go into more detail with the aquarium frame as I plan on taking it out and inspecting it now it's been on for a while apart from other updates. Cheers....
Where can I buy pp. im from philippines
Hi Ryan, there should be plenty of places that will sell PP in the Philippines. Have you tried your local supplier? I googled it for you and found this place: shopee.ph/Potassium-Permanganate-50g-i.78617889.3803792588
Be very aware of the amount you put in and always have some Hydrogen Peroxide handy in case the PP goes wrong and it needs neutralizing? See this video where I demonstrate how the hydrogen peroxide works if needed.. ruclips.net/video/-JiTlJINAcI/видео.html
Happy Ponding...👍😉
I know it can knock your filter back,has anyone ever removed the media to a safe place while the pond is being treated then returned the media back???
Hi, yes PP does knock the filters back but you would have to create somewhere to ensure the bacteria stays alive whilenita out of the filter system as it would start to die once out of the filters.🤔
@@KoiPondLifestyle I was thinking K1 media,removing it and placing in a vat with water and air stone, once treatment is done pop it back??
You can't knock it till you've tried it..🤔😉👍
what are your NO3 levels
Hi, Thanks for watching. I don't usually take many NO3 Nitrate level readings unless I get a sudden Algae bloom, as that is less harmful to the fish. I think the last one I got was as the Nitrite was changing to Nitrate and the blanket weed started to grow alot. I just decided to see what the level was out of curiosity.
@@KoiPondLifestyle I have anew pond (this year) and have alot of blanket weed. The pond as no NO3 only four koi in around 13000l total volume
You put a air stone in the bucket to gas the pp off
Hi, Thanks for watching. The air stone is put into the PP to mix it and add as much air as possible for around 15 minutes before adding it to the pond. PP tends to reduce the amount of oxygen in the pond during application, so I try to get as much air into the pond as possible. Hope this helps.
Koi Pond lifestyle. No it’s it gas the pp off