Not going to lie, I love a good Steve dangle passion filled rant. But him using his “inside voice” for his reasoning actually made a lot more sense than him yelling.
People criticize Stuart Skinner but do you realize that he is younger than Joseph Woll and just finished his second season as a number one which included a Calder nomination and a run to game 7 of the Stanley Cup final. And by the way, he is making $2.6M for the next two seasons.
I think the people already labeling Celebrini as "generational" are totally out to lunch or they just wanna feel hyped up about something. He barely did anything for his team at the World Juniors compared to what Bedard did, there's no good reason to assume he's gonna be even close to as impactful of a player as Bedard.
these guys are soooo inaccurate/wrong.. they just say wjayever they want without actually fact-checking... they make no effort to be accurate, correct, or relay reliable information
@michaelcopper613 He's not generational, but he is a seriously impressive 1st Overall Pick. The only first overall picks better than him in the last 10 years are probably McDavid, Matthews, and Bedard. He's comfortably in a tier with Hughes and Dahlin.
@@QRM00 also, Hughes played in the USHL in his draft year, which is a much worse league than the NCAA where Celebrini played... I remember an interview from 2 yers ago where Hughes said he probably should've played a year in NCAA after being drafted instead of going straight to the show... his rookie year was bad sooo, you could argue Celebrini is actually better than Hughes was when Hughes was Celebrini's age .. but, only time will tell.
As a new hockey fan, I’ve been working on filtering the good hockey pods and accounts from the misogynistic and homophobic ones. Love y’all for making it easy to tell and for making a new queer girly fan feel accepted!!
JR finally getting in gives me hope that Mogilny will eventually get in, too, at some point. He was one of my favorite players growing up and I was super hyped when he became a Leaf.
I thought the same last year about Barrasso. And that would mean CuJo and Mogilny and Henderson would finally make it in. And yet, none of them have. I just don't get it. Those 3 guys should be in there.
I think this actually solidifies that Mogilny will never get in. If they were ever going to do it, it certainly would have been before Jeremy frickin Roenick.
Some other things that are younger than Cliff Fletcher: Nylon; Canned beer; The microwave; The ballpoint pen; The helicopter; The transistor; Velcro; Cake mix; Barbie; Credit cards; power steering; Macdonald's; the hula hoop. Also, between WWII, decolonialization, and the fall of the USSR Cliff Fletcher is older than at least 100 countries.
Genuinely appreciate the inside voice rant. Steve your screamy man mode can be entertaining but you make a lot of good points and in the podcast format I prefer just to hear you make your points this way
Steve, this Wings fan was ready for the talk last year. Signing Ghost Bear, Holl, and trading for Petry. Then he did nothing at the trade deadline and cost us the playoffs, and now he traded Walman for nothing. This has been a frustrating 12 months for me. Even with the DeBrincat and Kane deals
Ghost was a points machine for us, exactly what he was brought in to do. But holl copp petry and chiarot to an extent are the for sure headscratchers, too much money, too much term. Not how you build a winner at all. That’s literally what Ken holland used to do and he pitchforked him out of town for that. Time to really start questioning what’s going on in management for Sure
I am really starting to question what yzerman is doing. We have 1 prospect with elite offensive ability in ASP and that is it. His free agent signings have been at best okay and at worst abysmal. I’m scared for what he is going to do with all of this money this offseason. I’m also mentally preparing for Stian Solberg at 15
@@Anthony-GoAvsGo lol - it’s a joke on how SJers see the state. It’s SJ, then Sac, then Oregon. PS - Shasta is GORGEOUS. Went houseboating there last year and had a blast.
Note to Jesse - specifically for the hit on Savard at the end - if you want to go frame-by-frame on RUclips you can use the comma and period keys (aka the < and > keys). Steve was great today, both rants were perfect and he stuck the landing on 116 seconds. Adam, you look great.
On your mention of the 1942 Leafs team and WWII: I found out that a friend of mine at work has a relative who played for that team. He won the cup, then joined the RCAF and fought in Europe, then came back and won a second Stanley Cup in 1945. Also won the World Championship with the Trail Smoke Eaters. Pretty good run!
Celebrini said he went NCAA because his family was already in the states in San Jose (his dad is linked to the basketball Golden State Warriors) so that brought him to Chicago Steel and then BU (NCAA Div 1) after that... as a kid he dreamt of being in the CHL/WHL!
It would be interesting to hear Steve's indoor voice discussion after the free agents and RFAs signings are done. At this moment in time, there are a lot of overpays just waiting to be factored into a lot of teams caps coming up.
@@Nathanielhiggerson66 nah.. they just suck at their job..they forget,... they dont have actual opinions, they just say whatever they think will get views, they dont care about relaying accurate/reliable aka facts
The trick in that comment is that Steve failed to tell us that Oilers are all up to be resigned and will be higher than the Leafs. This is all cancel culture behavior towards Mitch Marner. To get a better handle on Marner listen to Real Kyper and Bourne show aired this past Friday from 19:31 to 22:19
Adam, your JR take was insane. I watched him play for the Hawks way back in the day and he was a beast. Everything you wanted in a hockeyplayer, especially foe the era he played in.
loved the Campbell rant, it's absolutely spot on and with the HHOF. Roenick was a great player but not HHOF worthy. Their reputation is now tarnished and just a club like you said. As a Devils fan, I agree with the Leafs needing to move on from the core because of everything that was pointed out with other teams
The trick in that comment is that Steve failed to tell us that Oilers are all up to be resigned and will be higher than the Leafs. This is all cancel culture behavior towards Mitch Marner. To get a better handle on Marner listen to Real Kyper and Bourne show aired this past Friday from 19:31 to 22:19
@@jeffe2267 So glad you said that, the cancel culture on Mitch Marner is hard at work and very sadly, Steve has decided to join in, all one needs to do is look at Steve Stamkos and Steve Yzerman's past to see when they blossomed into difference makers, when they finally had proper support. To blame Mitch Marner for the Leafs failures whilst I might add leading all Leafs in playoff points, is absolutely idiotic.
I love your playoff and off-season podcasts (not a Leaf fan, so I start when the Leafs season ends), and the inside voice rant about cap space is maybe my favorite thing you’ve done. I feel like you’ve had a loud rant about this before, but inside voice drives home how ridiculously the team is built and the contrast to other teams is a decent blueprint to understanding how the cap works for and against teams. And you’re right about the HHOF. What a f’ing joke
I know Calgary lost the Tkachuk trade but Huberdeau & Weegar scored 14 more goals than Tkachuk this season. If Huby goes back to being an 80 point guy, Calgary won (again). Weegar is a stud RHD who just clapped 20 goals.
Right, so we're realizing that cap increase doesn't necessarily mean you can improve your team with the new money. Minimum, maximum, and everything in between will scale up, in addition, ALL other teams will have the same extra money! So you're left with essentially the same buying power you had. You have to improve your team in other ways.
So what I learned from this episode is that the Leafs should blow it up or lose Marner for nothing. The core 4 contracts have skewed the salary cap percentages to a point where they are irredeemable. The top 4 have proven they can’t get it done themselves. The Leafs can’t surround them with better players because of how much they make. When JT’s contract is done Steve explained how it doesn’t matter. Best case is somebody gives the Leafs something for Marner but I don’t see it happening without retention. Most likely Marner walks during the off season and the Leafs try and spend whatever money they save on a top flight D. Except those aren’t available very often and that’s another wasted year of Mathews.
Tbh, the HHOF committee seems like the NHL itself. It's a Good Ole Boy's Club, as UrinatingTree has said in the past. It's why Colin Campbell got in and how Harold Ballard somehow is still in
Ron Hainsey, former Columbus Blue Jacket. Thanks for mentioning us! Curtis is also a former Blue Jacket! Ken Holland to CBJ as Team President… I’m willing it into existence.
CHL gives each player in the league a full ride scholarship to college for each year they play in the league. So even though they're not directly a college team they get a free college education all the same.
It's just like real world. Your salary goes up, but so does the price of everything, so you're in fact earning less, because of inflation. Same goes here. The cap is going up, but so is the price of 3 guys, so you're even worse off than before. The percentage is humongous. Over 50 % of the cap. Yikes. Boo hiss and everything, get rid of it. Though I'm not really sure who would take the bait with just 1 year left. And no one is getting Tavares.
Hronek wasnt going to open market he was an RFA. And let’s be honest he was gong to get 5.5 or less had he not been traded to the Canucks where he got to play with the best defensemen in the league. Quinn Hughes took Luke Schenn whose career looked done and got him a multi year 4 million dollar contract by making look like he could still play.
What if Mitch Marner was a defenseman? We talk about 88 or even 16 at centre. Why couldn’t Marner be a Q Hughes? Marner sure as hell isn’t a Draisaitl or even Reinhart based on playoff performances in key games
Adam’s fixation on Sutter ‘ruining’ the Flames is hilarious. I dont think Sutter is some genius, but the team objectively played better under him than they did the guy’s replacement. He’d just rather blame a coach than admit his buddy Allan’s client is overpaid trash
The dude went from being a perennial 75-90 point player to a 15 goal 50 point player, so saying he's trash is just a ridiculous take. He was elevated by Barkov, but something else is causing his drop in production. Could be personal, could be the system he's playing in. But saying he butted heads with Sutter is a far smarter take than your brain dead opinion of "he's trash"
Steve’s analogy of Joseph Woll being like a really good trailer that makes us want to watch the movie instantly makes me think of the 2014 Godzilla trailer with the paratroopers jumping out of the plane..God that movie didn’t match the trailer
When they first showed Brad's video, I thought he was Al Bundy. Cap space? The Leafs pay extra to get anyone to play in Toronto. Mind you, I'm not bought-and-paid-for, nor am I contractually obligated, so I'm free to laugh at the Kool-Aid peddlers.
You also probably understand what it takes to be a winner, which is more than I can say for most Leafs fans that seem to want the same comfort food of empty regular season cardio numbers and no playoff success. The Leafs front office and ownership seems to want that too, so maybe those fans want a job working for the Leafs to keep with the trend.
On that Woll debate, it's weird for Adam to be the one coming in idealistic and Steve is explaining the realistic, on-the-ground scenario as to why an undesirable behavior might be best, given constraints.
I’m sorry but Adam screaming for Woll to EARN IT was so frustrating. The whole idea is there’s no world where he earns 3x4; he either earns 5+ off a great season or less because he’s hurt, but the bet is that he’ll be great and they get a discount. Players do need to earn their money, I agree, but it won’t work in this case.
Steve, I did this same flowchart last offseason, so I feel you. (On reddit, 'Team Sport: Highest-paid Players Must Wait to Win') *TL;DR* : One player making 14+% of the salary cap hasn't won the Cup since Crosby in '09. McDavid was *so* damn close, this year, but Toronto's salary structure is simply success-prohibitive.
The big difference between Mogilny and a lot of the other big Russian stars of his time is that Mogilny not only didn't schmooze with the Russian Mafia, but he testified against them when they tried to shake him down (wanted Mogilny to pay $150K or he would be shot and stabbed). It must have made for some awkward tensions in the Vancouver dressing room when he there at the same time as Bure, who got run out of town because the team got sick of the mobsters he was hanging out with.
I think the Wings dumped Wallman to gain cap space and a roster spot. Who knows if they are going to sign a FA, I think he was more interested in the cap and roster spot for guys that need to be brought up.
Fun fact, bedard, celebrini, Benson and a few other guys drsfted high all played together. Apparently their team didn't lose a game for like 3 straight years.
The new Ownership Management is not short term. I could see them directing Player Personnel to let this "experiment" play out. Get what you can for Marner or let the contract expire, along with John Tavares', all the while looking for that ten-million-dollar RD. (not a re-signed 14 million RW ) Not a re-tool on the fly. But like Steve suggests, a re-design on the fly. If John wants to finish here, give him a low cap, 2-year, contract to retirement. He is invaluable to the dressing room, and probably wants to bring a Cup back to Toronto more than we realize. That's what Montreal should have done with Markov. That kind of math allows much more flexibility. Remember. New Ownership Management.
I have a feeling this season is going to be brutal. Marner resigns. Bertuzzi and maybe Domi walk. Woll and Jones tandem in goal, if they can stay healthy. They struggle to get 20 players. Wait for Tavares contract to drop and let him walk or resign him for way less. Probably miss the playoffs. THEN start doing things to build. The window is going to be closing awful quick with a wasted year this season.
They can actually reopen the window if they miss the playoffs at some point, they need a Youth movement again, and they don't have one coming. Every good team has a several youth movements and a retool year to keep their window open. Leafs haven't had that yet bc they keep going into win now mode while Tavares is still good. Means they never give young guys a proper chance too so they can't see what they actually have in guys.
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Not going to lie, I love a good Steve dangle passion filled rant. But him using his “inside voice” for his reasoning actually made a lot more sense than him yelling.
The “Cliff Fletcher is older than dirt” segment was great.
AGREED
I WAS DYING they were so into it
The Newfoundland fact actually had my jaw dropped. Hahaha
Came for the Colin Campbell rant. Was not disappointed. Completely agree that the HOC made a massive mistake in inducting him into the hall.
They need some people for the Alan Eagleson wing.
Hall of disgrace
People criticize Stuart Skinner but do you realize that he is younger than Joseph Woll and just finished his second season as a number one which included a Calder nomination and a run to game 7 of the Stanley Cup final. And by the way, he is making $2.6M for the next two seasons.
Love how this episode dropped right before the presidential debates started tonight. Fyi, it was a REALLY easy decision which one to watch.
You missed out on arguing about golf 😂
He said Celebrini was a more complete player than Bedard NOT a better player.
I think the people already labeling Celebrini as "generational" are totally out to lunch or they just wanna feel hyped up about something. He barely did anything for his team at the World Juniors compared to what Bedard did, there's no good reason to assume he's gonna be even close to as impactful of a player as Bedard.
these guys are soooo inaccurate/wrong..
they just say wjayever they want without actually fact-checking...
they make no effort to be accurate, correct, or relay reliable information
@michaelcopper613 He's not generational, but he is a seriously impressive 1st Overall Pick. The only first overall picks better than him in the last 10 years are probably McDavid, Matthews, and Bedard. He's comfortably in a tier with Hughes and Dahlin.
@@QRM00 Hughes is an interesting comparison...
Celebrini seems to be a much better defender than Hughes but Hughes is more offensively skilled... imo
@@QRM00 also, Hughes played in the USHL in his draft year, which is a much worse league than the NCAA where Celebrini played...
I remember an interview from 2 yers ago where Hughes said he probably should've played a year in NCAA after being drafted instead of going straight to the show... his rookie year was bad
sooo, you could argue Celebrini is actually better than Hughes was when Hughes was Celebrini's age ..
but, only time will tell.
Also those teams you listed in comparison involves contracts that were given to the stars AFTER THEY WON THE CUP!
As a new hockey fan, I’ve been working on filtering the good hockey pods and accounts from the misogynistic and homophobic ones. Love y’all for making it easy to tell and for making a new queer girly fan feel accepted!!
Yea they are cringily woke around here
No Jesse and Adam, Adam Fox was not traded for Dougie Hamilton. They were traded away from the Flames together.
Colin Campbell rant was on point 🔥
JR finally getting in gives me hope that Mogilny will eventually get in, too, at some point. He was one of my favorite players growing up and I was super hyped when he became a Leaf.
I thought the same last year about Barrasso. And that would mean CuJo and Mogilny and Henderson would finally make it in. And yet, none of them have. I just don't get it. Those 3 guys should be in there.
I think this actually solidifies that Mogilny will never get in. If they were ever going to do it, it certainly would have been before Jeremy frickin Roenick.
Some other things that are younger than Cliff Fletcher:
Nylon; Canned beer; The microwave; The ballpoint pen; The helicopter; The transistor; Velcro; Cake mix; Barbie; Credit cards; power steering; Macdonald's; the hula hoop.
Also, between WWII, decolonialization, and the fall of the USSR Cliff Fletcher is older than at least 100 countries.
Genuinely appreciate the inside voice rant. Steve your screamy man mode can be entertaining but you make a lot of good points and in the podcast format I prefer just to hear you make your points this way
I'm high while watching this and almost lost my mind when I hit play. It sounded so weird and I was not expecting it
Probably didn't smoke enough.
Loool immediate heart rate spike
I try to have sex when I’m high - it feels great!
10:19 DID ADAM JUST CALL SAN JOSE "SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA"???? THIS IS BLASPHEMY!!
What do you expect, he's Canadian
Steve, this Wings fan was ready for the talk last year. Signing Ghost Bear, Holl, and trading for Petry. Then he did nothing at the trade deadline and cost us the playoffs, and now he traded Walman for nothing. This has been a frustrating 12 months for me. Even with the DeBrincat and Kane deals
Ghost was a points machine for us, exactly what he was brought in to do. But holl copp petry and chiarot to an extent are the for sure headscratchers, too much money, too much term. Not how you build a winner at all. That’s literally what Ken holland used to do and he pitchforked him out of town for that. Time to really start questioning what’s going on in management for
Sure
The re-rebuild begins now!
I am really starting to question what yzerman is doing. We have 1 prospect with elite offensive ability in ASP and that is it. His free agent signings have been at best okay and at worst abysmal. I’m scared for what he is going to do with all of this money this offseason. I’m also mentally preparing for Stian Solberg at 15
Gost kept the season alive for us. 10/10 player as far as I'm concerned lol
Adam imitating the deep voice has me dead 😂 0:07
This one is an indoor voice rant.
The loud one later is going to be blockbuster.
San Jose is north California. We’re, like, 50 miles south of San Francisco. We’re almost Oregon!
As someone actually from NorCal (Mt. Shasta).. no youre not basically Oregon
@@Anthony-GoAvsGo lol - it’s a joke on how SJers see the state. It’s SJ, then Sac, then Oregon.
PS - Shasta is GORGEOUS. Went houseboating there last year and had a blast.
Damn I thought all of the big cities were basically SoCal. I know San Diego is right next to Tijuana but dayumn
@@luc00144 I’m in SJ, and it’s probably an 8 hour drive to get to San Diego. CA is very large.
Vincent Lecavalier was traded from the Flyers to the LA Kings in 2016 and retired at the end of the season.
Note to Jesse - specifically for the hit on Savard at the end - if you want to go frame-by-frame on RUclips you can use the comma and period keys (aka the < and > keys).
Steve was great today, both rants were perfect and he stuck the landing on 116 seconds.
Adam, you look great.
On your mention of the 1942 Leafs team and WWII: I found out that a friend of mine at work has a relative who played for that team. He won the cup, then joined the RCAF and fought in Europe, then came back and won a second Stanley Cup in 1945. Also won the World Championship with the Trail Smoke Eaters. Pretty good run!
Celebrini said he went NCAA because his family was already in the states in San Jose (his dad is linked to the basketball Golden State Warriors) so that brought him to Chicago Steel and then BU (NCAA Div 1) after that... as a kid he dreamt of being in the CHL/WHL!
It would be interesting to hear Steve's indoor voice discussion after the free agents and RFAs signings are done. At this moment in time, there are a lot of overpays just waiting to be factored into a lot of teams caps coming up.
you guys literally talked about Cellebrini lighting up the world juniors for Canada 6 months ago...
they just tryna downplay him because of Bedard and the CHL/OHL
@@Nathanielhiggerson66 nah.. they just suck at their job..they forget,... they dont have actual opinions, they just say whatever they think will get views, they dont care about relaying accurate/reliable aka facts
Panthers top 4 salary: 37 million. Oilers tot 4 salary: 36.25 million. Maple Leafs top 4 salary: 46.65 LOL
It's insane. Especially because they're all forwards
The trick in that comment is that Steve failed to tell us that Oilers are all up to be resigned and will be higher than the Leafs. This is all cancel culture behavior towards Mitch Marner. To get a better handle on Marner listen to Real Kyper and Bourne show aired this past Friday from 19:31 to 22:19
Adam it hurts me every time you say San Jose is in southern CA. It’s NorCal, Northern California
More like central California, but also no one cares
@@B2Roland babe look up San Jose California, it’s literally in the Bay Area.
Steve : 1935 Radar invented !!
Jessie: Radar ?...What is that ???
😴🤷😖😦
Adam, your JR take was insane. I watched him play for the Hawks way back in the day and he was a beast. Everything you wanted in a hockeyplayer, especially foe the era he played in.
The discussion of CHL vs NCAA has been going on for many years. It depends on what you are looking for as a player and a person.
Hawks fan in Wisconsin.. never miss this show. It's great.
"Schrödinger's cat is younger than Cliff Fletcher!"
...or is he? We can't know while the box is closed.
Steve is amazing! His 116 second spiel was the better than any ‘hockey analyst’ could do (not a slight at Steve at all). What a true pro!
Cheers for absolutely crushing the last 2 hours of this work week lads
Jack Hughes didn't play collegiate hockey ! @8:40
Lmao for Mitch Marner all I can think of when it comes to him is the bit from Eddie's old stand up skit " What have you done for me lately "😂
loved the Campbell rant, it's absolutely spot on and with the HHOF. Roenick was a great player but not HHOF worthy. Their reputation is now tarnished and just a club like you said. As a Devils fan, I agree with the Leafs needing to move on from the core because of everything that was pointed out with other teams
Steve saying Maine University just made me cringe, as a University of Maine student
Definition of insanity is going the same thing over and over and expecting a different result
This is one of the worst, most untrue cliches.
so podcasting/
The trick in that comment is that Steve failed to tell us that Oilers are all up to be resigned and will be higher than the Leafs. This is all cancel culture behavior towards Mitch Marner. To get a better handle on Marner listen to Real Kyper and Bourne show aired this past Friday from 19:31 to 22:19
@@jeffe2267 So glad you said that, the cancel culture on Mitch Marner is hard at work and very sadly, Steve has decided to join in, all one needs to do is look at Steve Stamkos and Steve Yzerman's past to see when they blossomed into difference makers, when they finally had proper support. To blame Mitch Marner for the Leafs failures whilst I might add leading all Leafs in playoff points, is absolutely idiotic.
Adam, take it from me, a Southern California resident in Orange County (GO DUCKS!), San Jose is NOT in Southern California. ( 0:10:17 )
Who cares
@@B2Roland He made a non factual statement. Obviously I as a southern California resident cared enough to correct it. Who pissed in your Wheaties?
This was one of the best episodes in a long time. The Cliff Fletcher jokes, the core four rant, and the evisceration of Colon Campbell. All glorious
BEDARD and Celebrini are both from North Vancouver
Steve Dangle is one of the Leafs" fans who "get it."
Donation complete, thanks sdpn for all that you do!
Here is a question about every pro hockey player: At what point in his career has a player reached a point where 'he is what he is'?
Steve, the criteria is 3 years since your last professional hockey game, not 3 years since you announced your retirement.
I love your playoff and off-season podcasts (not a Leaf fan, so I start when the Leafs season ends), and the inside voice rant about cap space is maybe my favorite thing you’ve done. I feel like you’ve had a loud rant about this before, but inside voice drives home how ridiculously the team is built and the contrast to other teams is a decent blueprint to understanding how the cap works for and against teams.
And you’re right about the HHOF. What a f’ing joke
I know Calgary lost the Tkachuk trade but Huberdeau & Weegar scored 14 more goals than Tkachuk this season. If Huby goes back to being an 80 point guy, Calgary won (again). Weegar is a stud RHD who just clapped 20 goals.
Florida won the cup. They won the trade lol
Right, so we're realizing that cap increase doesn't necessarily mean you can improve your team with the new money. Minimum, maximum, and everything in between will scale up, in addition, ALL other teams will have the same extra money! So you're left with essentially the same buying power you had. You have to improve your team in other ways.
the final segment can also be called why the florida panthers won the cup and have made back to back finals
Celebrini must be Canadian. He played for us at the World Juniors and was originally on our roster for the Men's World team
when trying to show the matt cooke hit on savard, *use the < and > keys to move frame by frame*
Weird that a team's ability to get away with murder seems to just follow Gregory Campbell around the league.
Dangle Campbell rant, instant thumbs up
My inner 13 year old boy is a bit disappointed you didn't name this episode "Touch Wood".
2 hours. Bless !
Right!?
So what I learned from this episode is that the Leafs should blow it up or lose Marner for nothing.
The core 4 contracts have skewed the salary cap percentages to a point where they are irredeemable. The top 4 have proven they can’t get it done themselves. The Leafs can’t surround them with better players because of how much they make. When JT’s contract is done Steve explained how it doesn’t matter.
Best case is somebody gives the Leafs something for Marner but I don’t see it happening without retention. Most likely Marner walks during the off season and the Leafs try and spend whatever money they save on a top flight D. Except those aren’t available very often and that’s another wasted year of Mathews.
Tbh, the HHOF committee seems like the NHL itself. It's a Good Ole Boy's Club, as UrinatingTree has said in the past. It's why Colin Campbell got in and how Harold Ballard somehow is still in
Dear Carolina, you will likely have at least 1 forward spot available. Its not the best option, but bring Jeff to the playoffs
Ron Hainsey, former Columbus Blue Jacket. Thanks for mentioning us!
Curtis is also a former Blue Jacket!
Ken Holland to CBJ as Team President… I’m willing it into existence.
CHL gives each player in the league a full ride scholarship to college for each year they play in the league. So even though they're not directly a college team they get a free college education all the same.
“We got some cap space”
Sure you do Brad.
As a flames fan it’s fun to watch leaf fans speculate on what Brad will do while we know what Brad will do. “I’m on everything, does nothing”
It's just like real world. Your salary goes up, but so does the price of everything, so you're in fact earning less, because of inflation.
Same goes here. The cap is going up, but so is the price of 3 guys, so you're even worse off than before. The percentage is humongous. Over 50 % of the cap. Yikes.
Boo hiss and everything, get rid of it. Though I'm not really sure who would take the bait with just 1 year left. And no one is getting Tavares.
Hronek wasnt going to open market he was an RFA.
And let’s be honest he was gong to get 5.5 or less had he not been traded to the Canucks where he got to play with the best defensemen in the league.
Quinn Hughes took Luke Schenn whose career looked done and got him a multi year 4 million dollar contract by making look like he could still play.
As someone that had their favorite player traded Steve you're right sometimes that's exactly the thing you need to make you better
Matt Roy would be a great RD2 addition but would likely cost 4.5-5.5M
So he's basically a straight replacement for Brodie
thats fine hes a brodie replacement.
i’m sorry adam but you should’ve really let the cliff fletcher segment just run its course. that was spectacular
The Toronto cap situation really consumes Steve, eh
What if Mitch Marner was a defenseman? We talk about 88 or even 16 at centre. Why couldn’t Marner be a Q Hughes? Marner sure as hell isn’t a Draisaitl or even Reinhart based on playoff performances in key games
Let’s make Mitch a dman if they don’t trade him then 😂😂😂
So you either make a lot of money and hope to have the worlds best GM, or take a pay cut and win the cup.
116 seconds. That should have been the title. Amazing!
Love the Cliff Fletcher chat, very entertaining 😂
Good lord did Adam only see Roenick play after the 2005 lockout. Second line Center? What an egregious take.
Roenick should have been in a long time ago , his politics kept him out which should not happen . well deserved entry into the Hall
I guess his 500 goals were a fluke
It's Adam he doesnt seem to put much thought into most things he says
Adam is shocking
Adam’s fixation on Sutter ‘ruining’ the Flames is hilarious. I dont think Sutter is some genius, but the team objectively played better under him than they did the guy’s replacement. He’d just rather blame a coach than admit his buddy Allan’s client is overpaid trash
Is Kadri & Andersen a Loss for Marner?
@@noomJbrother that would be phenomenal and you’re not getting that
The dude went from being a perennial 75-90 point player to a 15 goal 50 point player, so saying he's trash is just a ridiculous take. He was elevated by Barkov, but something else is causing his drop in production. Could be personal, could be the system he's playing in. But saying he butted heads with Sutter is a far smarter take than your brain dead opinion of "he's trash"
The equation is flawed if you don't take the 4th highest paid player into account. Lose Tavares enter Rielly at 7.5m to maintain a "core 4"
its really funny how that narrative starts to fall apart next year but then Steve is like you have to pay your good players.
What if they trade both Marner and Tavares. 😊Toronto needs a bunch of top defencemen.
Steve’s analogy of Joseph Woll being like a really good trailer that makes us want to watch the movie instantly makes me think of the 2014 Godzilla trailer with the paratroopers jumping out of the plane..God that movie didn’t match the trailer
Dont flock with us. Perfection
Islanders still have a 1.5 million cap hit for Rick DiPietro for another 5 seasons.
No they don't. It was a compliance buyout which doesn't go against the cap. They are paying him 1.5 million for 5 more seasons.
First: and?
Second: it doesn't count against the cap.
You need a captain like Adam Lowry, Steve
When they first showed Brad's video, I thought he was Al Bundy. Cap space? The Leafs pay extra to get anyone to play in Toronto. Mind you, I'm not bought-and-paid-for, nor am I contractually obligated, so I'm free to laugh at the Kool-Aid peddlers.
You also probably understand what it takes to be a winner, which is more than I can say for most Leafs fans that seem to want the same comfort food of empty regular season cardio numbers and no playoff success. The Leafs front office and ownership seems to want that too, so maybe those fans want a job working for the Leafs to keep with the trend.
The leafs have a long history of destroying goalies careers, and reputations
Jesse casually declaring that Bouchard is on the same level as Makar....smh
They dont watch the west, except for the Oilers lol
He's better
@@Meeces55 he wish
It was a joke.
1:41:03 Vinny LeCavalier and Jerome Iginla: Two guys that played their last NHL game with the LA Kings 😢
On that Woll debate, it's weird for Adam to be the one coming in idealistic and Steve is explaining the realistic, on-the-ground scenario as to why an undesirable behavior might be best, given constraints.
I beat that drum for over a year about Willy his value was sky high up until the new contract was signed
I’m sorry but Adam screaming for Woll to EARN IT was so frustrating. The whole idea is there’s no world where he earns 3x4; he either earns 5+ off a great season or less because he’s hurt, but the bet is that he’ll be great and they get a discount.
Players do need to earn their money, I agree, but it won’t work in this case.
Tre is using the same lingo he did with Sammy, “We know we have a really good goalie here…” Sounds like the same tone to me with Marner.
Steve, I did this same flowchart last offseason, so I feel you.
(On reddit, 'Team Sport: Highest-paid Players Must Wait to Win')
*TL;DR* : One player making 14+% of the salary cap hasn't won the Cup since Crosby in '09.
McDavid was *so* damn close, this year, but Toronto's salary structure is simply success-prohibitive.
Best move the Leafs could make is trade our management for Vega's management. Problem solved
The big difference between Mogilny and a lot of the other big Russian stars of his time is that Mogilny not only didn't schmooze with the Russian Mafia, but he testified against them when they tried to shake him down (wanted Mogilny to pay $150K or he would be shot and stabbed). It must have made for some awkward tensions in the Vancouver dressing room when he there at the same time as Bure, who got run out of town because the team got sick of the mobsters he was hanging out with.
I think the Wings dumped Wallman to gain cap space and a roster spot. Who knows if they are going to sign a FA, I think he was more interested in the cap and roster spot for guys that need to be brought up.
Fun fact, bedard, celebrini, Benson and a few other guys drsfted high all played together. Apparently their team didn't lose a game for like 3 straight years.
Though unlikely, it is possible that Cliff Fletcher could have a memory of watching Eddie Shore play in the NHL-- for the New York *Americans.*
Did Dangle do hi 116 second marner rant on the fly? Impressive!
I know someone who pronounces his first name like Colon, but it's spelled Colin. He's now the mayor of Strathroy ON.
Cliff fletcher was around your age when the Leafs last won the cup.
If you play in the CHL they will pay for your university education after your junior career.
The new Ownership Management is not short term. I could see them directing Player Personnel to let this "experiment" play out. Get what you can for Marner or let the contract expire, along with John Tavares', all the while looking for that ten-million-dollar RD. (not a re-signed 14 million RW ) Not a re-tool on the fly. But like Steve suggests, a re-design on the fly. If John wants to finish here, give him a low cap, 2-year, contract to retirement. He is invaluable to the dressing room, and probably wants to bring a Cup back to Toronto more than we realize. That's what Montreal should have done with Markov. That kind of math allows much more flexibility. Remember. New Ownership Management.
I have a feeling this season is going to be brutal. Marner resigns. Bertuzzi and maybe Domi walk. Woll and Jones tandem in goal, if they can stay healthy. They struggle to get 20 players. Wait for Tavares contract to drop and let him walk or resign him for way less. Probably miss the playoffs. THEN start doing things to build. The window is going to be closing awful quick with a wasted year this season.
They can actually reopen the window if they miss the playoffs at some point, they need a Youth movement again, and they don't have one coming. Every good team has a several youth movements and a retool year to keep their window open. Leafs haven't had that yet bc they keep going into win now mode while Tavares is still good. Means they never give young guys a proper chance too so they can't see what they actually have in guys.