Jessie has a fair point that a lot of the McDavid hype is being based on two games, but if you're going to say "What about everything Barkov did in the previous three series" you have to extend that to McDavid as well. He started the playoffs with a five assist game against the Kings, and had at least a point every game that series. Vancouver probably contained him the best, but he still scored 9 points in 7 games including three points in game 6 with the Oilers back against the wall. Finally McDavid was all over the Western Conference Final -- starting the series by scoring the 2OT winner, and ending the series with that fantastic goal around Miro Heiskanen in game 6. The highlight stat shouldn't just be eight points in the last two games. It should be the fact that McDavid has 15 points in the six(!) games where the Oilers or their opponents could be eliminated, with the Oilers being six-for-six in those games.
I think Jesse’s point would be more salient if the Conn Smythe was the trophy for MVP of the FINALS, but yeah you gotta take the whole playoffs into consideration
And then saying mcdavid needs to break an all time record in order to be in contention… is he forgetting that McDavid literally already did that with the Playoff Assists record? And by multiple assists at this point.
Feel like Jesse contradicted himself on the Connor Smythe talk. Said since Leach set a major record it makes sense to give it to him, yet didn't acknowledge that Connor has already broken the assists record and is above 40 points too. Seems similar enough to me. It's also an award for MVP of entire playoffs and uh... Connor has double the points Barkov does as well as absolutely dragging this team to some win when the squad was behind. To me, Connor is the playoff MVP full stop.
More to the point even if it's true, that means the goals that were happening when he was on the ice were happening from people of lesser quality since those you've listed are pretty much the top of what was around. So I mean, that's cool, that's cool, but I don't think that stat is quite the win you think it is.
Jesse is almost acting like McDavid hasn't also been great the whole playoffs like Barkov. If McDavid finishes with like double the points Barkov or Tkachuk get and doesn't win the Conn Smythe, it'll just look funny. I know points aren't everything, but we're talking about Connor McJesus here.
People lose sight sometimes that it's an MVP of the playoffs award, not MVP of the finals. If McDavid finishes with double the points of any Panther and sets all these records, there's no way he isn't the playoffs MVP.
Yeah I'm a bit confused on that as well. McDavid and Barkov have both played 3 rounds. I get that he had 8 points in 2 games but, he was miles ahead even before those two games. I just feel like rivaling the best playoff performances of all time should win you that trophy whether this ends in 6 or 7.
@@tjthejetus2843lmfao mcdavid has put up 3 points with barkov on the ice. One of those being empty net goals and the other 2 being powerplay assists. That's it. Unless there is no goalie or they have a powerplay, mcdavid hasn't beaten barkov.
@@JarradBruessel32 that’s fair. I just think defensive stats aren’t sexy and that’s why a lot of people forget/don’t care. That is extremely impressive. I guess we’ll have to see how the series ends.
They do a full segment extolling McDavid for not just being 5 points shy of Gretzky’s playoff points record but also breaking the all-time record for assists in one playoff year, and Jesse’s still, “Nah, Barkov should get the MVP.” Common Jesse Blake L.
The gap between McDavid and the second-best player in the nhl is equivalent to the distance between Sunrise and Edmonton. To have 8 points in back 2 back SCF games whilst going against BARKOV is bonkers, truly one of the best players ever to put on skates. Florida needs to match Edmonton’s desperation for a full 60 minutes. Edmonton has really outworked them frankly to every loose puck and have made the better plays. Its going to be a great game 6.
Barkov has been on ice for 3 points mcdavid has put up all series lol. You are really wrong about that. He was on the ice for the empty net goal but he wasn't marking mcdavid on that because that wasn't his man
Steve: "in these playoffs, Mcdavid has outperformed any player not named Gretzky or Lemieux, he deserves the Conn Smythe" Jesse: "You're basing your argument off 2 games." Does Jesse even listen to himself? This might be the most clown take ever on this podcast.
Jesse seems way too focused on the Conn Smythe just being a trophy for the finals series. He only wanted to acknowledge Barkov’s efforts in the other series. I think Jesse felt he needed to provide counterpoints to the obvious choice but got too caught up in being the heel and didn’t realize he’d started contradicting his own takes
Jesse generally has pretty dumb takes I tend to tune him out a lot. My "favourite" was when he was gaslighting steve, steve is getting more upset, and he's just going further on. The hell is the point of that lol.
McDavid has now played 51 playoff games in the last 3 seasons and has 95 points in those games. He is playing at a 82-game pace of 153 points per season in the playoffs. He just finds a way to continue to get it done.
Wait what's Jesse talking about... Barkov would deserve it based on all the series but here's McDavid with 42 points in 23? Playoff games... That's almost two points per game against only playoff worthy teams. You can't base McDavid off this series alone then base Barkov off the entire playoffs. 😅 McDavid could go out and purposefully score the game winner on his own net next game and still deserve the Conn Smythe, I honestly don't know what it would take for anyone else to even be close to deserving it at this point.
Hmmmm why does the entirety of the playoff count for everyone else but not McDavid? McDavid +11 42 points in the entirety of the playoffs thus far. Barkov +/- 0 and 21 points. Half of what McDavid has done and allowed 11 more even strength goals against while on the ice. Barkov 12 5 on 5 points, McDavid 25. He's Double Barkov offensively and blown him out of the water Defensively. So why does what he's done through 3 rounds not count. Just this series? Over 5 games Barkov has 4 points and is Even. McDavid has 11 points and is +4 in 5 games. Again this series alone. More than double the offense and besting him Defensively. How is Barkov even a conversion as a playoffs on the whole or just this series. Either way McDavid is crushing him.
100% he’s stating only the 2 games are amazing for McDavid and Barkov had an amazing run, even better than Barkov. McDavid had an amazing run since the start of playoffs and it’s dismissive to not look at the whole body of work. McDavid wants lord Stanley anyways so it really doesn’t matter at the end of it all about the Conn Smythe.
Saying McDavid has blown Barkov out of the water defensively is objectively wrong. I’m a big Edmonton fan but you can’t deny that Barkov has stopped Kucherov completely, Pastrnak, Panarin, Hyman, Draisaitl and McDavid 0 full strength goals. Without Barkov they’re soooo much weaker.
@@DioxideCadEveryone said he would shut McDavid down. 2 way forward that McDavid had to figure out. The only thing that’s been stopping the Oil is Bob not Barkov.
@@4minutemajoragreed. That was my take after game 6 and after each game before that. Bob had to be superhuman for them to win game 1 and 3, and then he has just been a normal goalie for the rest of them. And Oilers have shown they are the better team. And McDavid is miles better than anyone on the Panthers.
Wait, according to Jesse's reasoning Barkov gets credit for the early rounds but Mcdavid doesn't? Barkov (a favourite of mine) has 21 points, Barkov's defense is not worth 21 points worth of scoring difference between Mcdavid.
Jesse going on about how McDavid's first 3 games of the series puts him out of contention for the Conn Smythe... McDavid had 3 points in those games. Only Barkov (1G 3A) and Evan friggin Rodrigues (3G 1A) had more points in those games then him (tied with Reinhart and Bennett, 1G 2A each). And that's with Edmonton scoring 4 goals. It's McDavid for Conn Smythe. There's no argument.
@@JarradBruessel32agreed, which is why Mcdavid having 20+ points more than Barkov, being on the ice for fewer even strength goals against and having a better plus minus over the course of the entire playoffs so far should carry significantly more weight than the panthers who are undoubtedly a deeper TEAM than the oilers winning 2 extra games. (1 if they force game 7) The literal only argument for Barkov right now is the panthers as a team have more wins. McDavid in every statistical category is significantly ahead of him, Barkov just has better teammates (specifically goaltending in the 1st 3 games can be pointed to as the difference) I'm not even an oilers fan, I'm an islanders fan. I think the only reasonable scenario for Mcdavid to not get it is if he gets shutout AND Barkov has a Hatrick/4 or 5 point night
@@mikefarino4368 lmfao mcdavid starts 71.7% of his shifts in the offensive zone. Even strength he starts 63.8%. He doesn't play pk at all. He has been on for 21 goals against even strength. Barkov starts 54.6% of his shifts in the offensive zone. He starts 49.4% of his shifts in the offensive zone when even strength and has been on the ice for 15 even strength goals all playoffs. Mcdavid has been on for 21 goals against even strength so you are factually wrong. Barkov also has played 50 minutes on the pk this playoffs. Mcdavid has played absolutely 0 seconds short handed.
@@mikefarino4368 mcdavid is ahead of barkov points and plus/minus and thats it. Every other category barkov has him beat. Better shooting percentage, his faceoff percentage is 11% higher than mcdavids, more blocked shots, more hits, more takeaways. Mcdavid has him beat in points and plus minus thats it.
That empty net save, regardless that it ended poorly, should be on future Stanley Cup hype videos/commercials. Watching that play out was some of the most insane hockey I've seen in a bit.
Barkov may be my favourite Panther - however I believe both shorties were scored with him on the ice...maybe the best defensive forward in the league and 2 shorties in back to back games makes him ineligible for the Conn Smythe. And I really like how that dude plays.
I disagree with Jessie.. McDavid has the 4th most points playoffs ever this isn't two games it's a a whole playoffs of brilliance. Breaking the assist record and modern day points record is a big deal I think he deaervesb
Yes and No, You have to take in account in the 80s there was no such thing as interference, you could open ice hit, there was much more hooking and holding. Goalies could play the puck. The rules of the game today is to allow skilled players to do their thing. Equipment has improved, skates are better, not playing with solid wood sticks anymore. You're right goaltending changed from stand up to Butterfly and it's much harder to score if you get to the net. But getting to the net is easier and the speed of a shot is faster. Think there is advantages and disadvantages in each era that makes this records incredible.
Yes and No, You have to take in account in the 80s there was no such thing as interference, you could open ice hit, there was much more hooking and holding. Goalies could play the puck. The rules of the game today is to allow skilled players to do their thing. Equipment has improved, skates are better, not playing with solid wood sticks anymore. You're right goaltending changed from stand up to Butterfly and it's much harder to score if you get to the net. But getting to the net is easier and the speed of a shot is faster. Think there is advantages and disadvantages in each era that makes this records incredible.
Jesse is so out to lunch with his Conn Smythe take. Contradicting himself left and right with the arguments and angles he’s taking too. What was that lol
Hronek contract will look better once the cap continues to go up. Also that's how much good rhd go for. Some people don't like it but don't see things objectively
1. The Mascon MacTavish goal line stop in the WJC final in overtime is number one. He batted the puck out of the air on the goal line and then scored 2. I disagree with Jesse’s argument about the sequence of games not mattering. I think McDavid scoring these points while facing elimination and that pressure makes it 100x times better and more impressive
I agree, Mason MacTavish stop in overtime in the Gold medal game at the WJC in 2022 is the biggest goal line stop. I think they might have been talking about about with the goalie pulled though.
Markstrom deal is in line with where it should be given his age. Typical would be just a first, and Flames said they wanted a first plus a roster guy, so they got what they asked for.
McDavid, 4th most points all time. Jesse "hurr durr no way McDavid wins the playoff mvp" another ice cold take by the man who doesn't seem to know a lot about hockey
would the McTavish World Jr goal line stop count? It wasn't an empty net but him making that played lead to Canada rolling back the other way and scoring to win gold
Why you might also remember Kyle Maclean is because he scored his 1st NHL goal against the Leafs this year on a really nice move when a puck found him coming out of the box. The Isles also have his dad as an assistant coach (for now) and there was a nice moment that went semi-viral about his dad's reaction to it trying to hold back being too excited
Another thing to consider with the Conn Smythe is the votes have to be in by 10 minutes to go in the third period in every potential Cup clinching game (thanks for the info CJ). What if it's tied at that point and McDavid has a couple of points? Who do you vote for for? That being said, I think McDavid should win it regardless. Smashing the cap era points record is enough for me, chasing down Gretzky is the cherry on top if he gets there.
Jesse the con smythe is technically for the whole playoffs and McDavid set records and only has Gretzky and Lemieux ahead of him in the record books. It clear its McDavid had the better playoffs. It disingenuous to say McDavid has only 2 good games in the finals but compare Barkovs prowess in the other rounds when Connor McDavid set the record for most assists in a playoffs.
Pretty sure Draisaitl Back is still screwed from that Cross Check to the back by Tyler Myers against Vancouver. He's not moving right, his skating is off his one timer of. He's still reading the play well and passing well. But he's just not moving right. Pretty sure he's injured. You can stand in one spot on a busted ankle and fire home that one timer from the side. But a back? It's going to effect your faceoffs skating and swing through on a shot. I don't think he's going to come on now. Tkachuk and Bennett keep running him. No way he heals an injury like that while playing.
Youre wrong about the barkov not shutting him down narrative. Look up the stats when hes away from barkov. Majority of his points have come when hes avoided him on the ice. Barkov has shut him down when the matchup happens
The part that makes your point moot, is that McDavid just dominated the game on Panthers home ice, they could have matched him up against McDavid and they either didn't, or couldn't. Barkov didn't shut down McDavid.
@Marixa1979 that doesn't make the point moot. When he was on the ice at the same time his production didn't happen. That's the point 😂 you can match up your lines for face-offs but live line changes mix things up and you can't always have them out vs eachother 100% of the time. That's not how the game works, man 😂😂
@rona6063 that's literally not how the sport works 💀 live line changes happen. Florida chooses off of dead puck face offs. There's opportunity to slip the match up for edmonton, dummy 😂😂
My hometown team the Sheffield Steelers (UK), play in orange and just won the grand slam (all 3 trophies League, Play-offs and Challenge Cup), in the British league. Our arena looks great with all the orange around, definately looks good on a winning team!
If the Panthers win the Cup and McDavid gets the Conn Smythe, I'd wager he's gonna hate that trophy and will probably mean nothing to him. The only goal is the Cup. I'm not a fan of any player on the losing team winning the Conn, no matter how great of a performance.
Now that Adam has mentioned Euro 2024 in Germany, I can't but share the fact that Czechia have Krejci and Chytil playing for them in this tournament which I find kind of cool 🙃
As a Dutch person living in Edmonton, I am having the time of my life
Colour-wise that works really well!
This was the best oppening to a podcast ever
The camera cut on to Steve’s empty chair😂😂
From sadness of no steve to steve from home! A true rollercoster of emotions
Took the words right outta my mouth!!! Dad vibes all round!!!
Jessie has a fair point that a lot of the McDavid hype is being based on two games, but if you're going to say "What about everything Barkov did in the previous three series" you have to extend that to McDavid as well. He started the playoffs with a five assist game against the Kings, and had at least a point every game that series. Vancouver probably contained him the best, but he still scored 9 points in 7 games including three points in game 6 with the Oilers back against the wall. Finally McDavid was all over the Western Conference Final -- starting the series by scoring the 2OT winner, and ending the series with that fantastic goal around Miro Heiskanen in game 6.
The highlight stat shouldn't just be eight points in the last two games. It should be the fact that McDavid has 15 points in the six(!) games where the Oilers or their opponents could be eliminated, with the Oilers being six-for-six in those games.
I think Jesse’s point would be more salient if the Conn Smythe was the trophy for MVP of the FINALS, but yeah you gotta take the whole playoffs into consideration
"based on 2 games" lol. come on man. multiple mvps, multiple art ross trophy's. you just arent in reality. hes been this guy.
Yeah and without the points McDavid is garbage, he does absolutely nothing in defense
@@MrJray1120he even said before that that the trophy is for the whole playoffs. He knows. It's just an awful take.
@@Cedisdead gretzky never competed for a selke either. What kind of argument is that? Some forwards just get on the score sheet. That's what they do.
Jesse bringing up two games acting like that's the measuring stick for Davos entire body of work in these playoffs lol.
And then saying mcdavid needs to break an all time record in order to be in contention… is he forgetting that McDavid literally already did that with the Playoff Assists record? And by multiple assists at this point.
McDavid needs to put up apparently 16 points in 4 games to be considered worthy apparently
Maybe I'm just tired but the OEL name confusion and 7th grade volleyball reference had me laughing so hard
We sure paid for that PLD instant analysis with a pushed back release!
BABY DEBUT OMG 😍
Baby Dangle gonna be lit co-hosting LFR37 in 2044 to recap the Leafs 18th Stanley Cup trophy
Lmfao sure. It will be their 18th year in a row losing in the first round
18th first round exist?
@@danieldosso2455 or 18th losing the first round to the Bruins :D
Feel like Jesse contradicted himself on the Connor Smythe talk. Said since Leach set a major record it makes sense to give it to him, yet didn't acknowledge that Connor has already broken the assists record and is above 40 points too. Seems similar enough to me.
It's also an award for MVP of entire playoffs and uh... Connor has double the points Barkov does as well as absolutely dragging this team to some win when the squad was behind.
To me, Connor is the playoff MVP full stop.
Convinced me
also if they era adjusted the points mcdavid probably already broke the all time playoffs scoring record
Barkov prevented Kucherov Panarin, Pastrnak, Hyman, Daisaitl, Kreider and McDavid to 0 5-5 goals. That’s a pretty crazy stat too.
@@DioxideCad You do see that Barkov is -4 in the past 2 games yea? He's at a flat 0 overall? Are you sure about that stat?
More to the point even if it's true, that means the goals that were happening when he was on the ice were happening from people of lesser quality since those you've listed are pretty much the top of what was around. So I mean, that's cool, that's cool, but I don't think that stat is quite the win you think it is.
Didn't realise having the most assists ever in one playoffs wasn't an All-Time record. Don't know if I understand this Bay Street style accounting.
I was not prepared for the cuteness overload at the start of this podcast 🥹💗
Jesse is almost acting like McDavid hasn't also been great the whole playoffs like Barkov. If McDavid finishes with like double the points Barkov or Tkachuk get and doesn't win the Conn Smythe, it'll just look funny. I know points aren't everything, but we're talking about Connor McJesus here.
People lose sight sometimes that it's an MVP of the playoffs award, not MVP of the finals. If McDavid finishes with double the points of any Panther and sets all these records, there's no way he isn't the playoffs MVP.
Yeah definitely a complete out to lunch take. Yeah this guy has 20 less points and mcdavid torched him back to back games, let's give it to him.
Yeah I'm a bit confused on that as well. McDavid and Barkov have both played 3 rounds. I get that he had 8 points in 2 games but, he was miles ahead even before those two games. I just feel like rivaling the best playoff performances of all time should win you that trophy whether this ends in 6 or 7.
@@tjthejetus2843lmfao mcdavid has put up 3 points with barkov on the ice. One of those being empty net goals and the other 2 being powerplay assists. That's it. Unless there is no goalie or they have a powerplay, mcdavid hasn't beaten barkov.
@@JarradBruessel32 that’s fair. I just think defensive stats aren’t sexy and that’s why a lot of people forget/don’t care. That is extremely impressive. I guess we’ll have to see how the series ends.
Hey Jesse if the best playoff performance in 30 years isn't worth the Conn Smythe WTF IS?
Go Oilers, eh?
Love having you guys aboard the Oiler train. 🎉 Except Jesse always tossing cold water on the Oil.
They do a full segment extolling McDavid for not just being 5 points shy of Gretzky’s playoff points record but also breaking the all-time record for assists in one playoff year, and Jesse’s still, “Nah, Barkov should get the MVP.”
Common Jesse Blake L.
Mcdavid with 1 point puts him in top 3 runs of all time and yethe doesnt deserve the smythe? Holy moly what a bad take.
no he doesnt
@@JaneNayes yes he does ur just a hater lmao
The gap between McDavid and the second-best player in the nhl is equivalent to the distance between Sunrise and Edmonton. To have 8 points in back 2 back SCF games whilst going against BARKOV is bonkers, truly one of the best players ever to put on skates. Florida needs to match Edmonton’s desperation for a full 60 minutes. Edmonton has really outworked them frankly to every loose puck and have made the better plays. Its going to be a great game 6.
Barkov has been on ice for 3 points mcdavid has put up all series lol. You are really wrong about that. He was on the ice for the empty net goal but he wasn't marking mcdavid on that because that wasn't his man
connor brown is on the precipice of becoming an oilers folk hero
The next fernando pisani
Having a hard day, that just got 10x better because I completely forgot there’d be a new SDPN. Thanks for the levity 🙏🏻
Lol Isla not blinking even once 😂
Gotta get that 'traumatized 1st-round-exit Toronto Leafs Fan' expression figured it out early in life. 😅
That was the best who he play for segment in the history of who he play for 😂
1:34:24 When Adam lists off six coaches, holds up a six and goes "That's seven" haha Love you guys!
Steve: "in these playoffs, Mcdavid has outperformed any player not named Gretzky or Lemieux, he deserves the Conn Smythe"
Jesse: "You're basing your argument off 2 games."
Does Jesse even listen to himself? This might be the most clown take ever on this podcast.
Jesse seems way too focused on the Conn Smythe just being a trophy for the finals series. He only wanted to acknowledge Barkov’s efforts in the other series.
I think Jesse felt he needed to provide counterpoints to the obvious choice but got too caught up in being the heel and didn’t realize he’d started contradicting his own takes
Yea this was really dumb. "Writing off what barkov did for 3 series and basing it on McDavids last 2 games only" what about his last 3 series bud lmao
Jesse generally has pretty dumb takes I tend to tune him out a lot. My "favourite" was when he was gaslighting steve, steve is getting more upset, and he's just going further on. The hell is the point of that lol.
Steve’s brain in the blue room functions best. Nice insights from him this podcast
Steve looks like the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz drinking out of that water bottle.
Victory baby!
HEY ISLA!!! 😊😊😊
My goodness she's growing congratulations! beautiful family!!
Jesse complaining about giving the Conn Smythe to McDavid based on two games and then says he'll reconsider based only on game 6.
McDavid has now played 51 playoff games in the last 3 seasons and has 95 points in those games. He is playing at a 82-game pace of 153 points per season in the playoffs. He just finds a way to continue to get it done.
Wait what's Jesse talking about... Barkov would deserve it based on all the series but here's McDavid with 42 points in 23? Playoff games... That's almost two points per game against only playoff worthy teams. You can't base McDavid off this series alone then base Barkov off the entire playoffs. 😅 McDavid could go out and purposefully score the game winner on his own net next game and still deserve the Conn Smythe, I honestly don't know what it would take for anyone else to even be close to deserving it at this point.
OMG Steve congratulations on your second adorable baby! Well done girl dad!
Omg she is so precious
Hmmmm why does the entirety of the playoff count for everyone else but not McDavid? McDavid +11 42 points in the entirety of the playoffs thus far.
Barkov +/- 0 and 21 points. Half of what McDavid has done and allowed 11 more even strength goals against while on the ice. Barkov 12 5 on 5 points, McDavid 25.
He's Double Barkov offensively and blown him out of the water Defensively. So why does what he's done through 3 rounds not count. Just this series? Over 5 games Barkov has 4 points and is Even. McDavid has 11 points and is +4 in 5 games. Again this series alone. More than double the offense and besting him Defensively.
How is Barkov even a conversion as a playoffs on the whole or just this series.
Either way McDavid is crushing him.
100% he’s stating only the 2 games are amazing for McDavid and Barkov had an amazing run, even better than Barkov. McDavid had an amazing run since the start of playoffs and it’s dismissive to not look at the whole body of work. McDavid wants lord Stanley anyways so it really doesn’t matter at the end of it all about the Conn Smythe.
Saying McDavid has blown Barkov out of the water defensively is objectively wrong. I’m a big Edmonton fan but you can’t deny that Barkov has stopped Kucherov completely, Pastrnak, Panarin, Hyman, Draisaitl and McDavid 0 full strength goals. Without Barkov they’re soooo much weaker.
@@DioxideCadEveryone said he would shut McDavid down. 2 way forward that McDavid had to figure out. The only thing that’s been stopping the Oil is Bob not Barkov.
@@4minutemajoragreed. That was my take after game 6 and after each game before that. Bob had to be superhuman for them to win game 1 and 3, and then he has just been a normal goalie for the rest of them. And Oilers have shown they are the better team. And McDavid is miles better than anyone on the Panthers.
Dangle's Baby... Automatic Like!!
It's better than Brodeur/Terreri?
-Adam Wylde 🤣🤣🤣
I haven’t finished the pod yet, if they recorded before the PLD trade that will be so funny 😂
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Haven’t even watched yet and this episode looks unreal
Wasn’t an empty net but Mason Mctavish’s goal line save in the juniors was elite. Shortly after Kent Johnson scored the golden goal
Wait, according to Jesse's reasoning Barkov gets credit for the early rounds but Mcdavid doesn't? Barkov (a favourite of mine) has 21 points, Barkov's defense is not worth 21 points worth of scoring difference between Mcdavid.
Jesse, Connor has 42 points for the playoffs….of course he is in the running for the Con Smythe, win or lose
5:34 Our customary occasional Adam Wylde DIVORCE!? reference.
GRIPPER NATION RISE UP!!!!@
Jesse going on about how McDavid's first 3 games of the series puts him out of contention for the Conn Smythe...
McDavid had 3 points in those games. Only Barkov (1G 3A) and Evan friggin Rodrigues (3G 1A) had more points in those games then him (tied with Reinhart and Bennett, 1G 2A each). And that's with Edmonton scoring 4 goals.
It's McDavid for Conn Smythe. There's no argument.
Lmfao it's not just a finals award
@@JarradBruessel32agreed, which is why Mcdavid having 20+ points more than Barkov, being on the ice for fewer even strength goals against and having a better plus minus over the course of the entire playoffs so far should carry significantly more weight than the panthers who are undoubtedly a deeper TEAM than the oilers winning 2 extra games. (1 if they force game 7) The literal only argument for Barkov right now is the panthers as a team have more wins. McDavid in every statistical category is significantly ahead of him, Barkov just has better teammates (specifically goaltending in the 1st 3 games can be pointed to as the difference) I'm not even an oilers fan, I'm an islanders fan. I think the only reasonable scenario for Mcdavid to not get it is if he gets shutout AND Barkov has a Hatrick/4 or 5 point night
@@mikefarino4368 lmfao mcdavid starts 71.7% of his shifts in the offensive zone. Even strength he starts 63.8%. He doesn't play pk at all. He has been on for 21 goals against even strength. Barkov starts 54.6% of his shifts in the offensive zone. He starts 49.4% of his shifts in the offensive zone when even strength and has been on the ice for 15 even strength goals all playoffs. Mcdavid has been on for 21 goals against even strength so you are factually wrong. Barkov also has played 50 minutes on the pk this playoffs. Mcdavid has played absolutely 0 seconds short handed.
@@mikefarino4368 hahahahahahahahahahahshahahhaha you are wrong in so many instances it's hysterical
@@mikefarino4368 mcdavid is ahead of barkov points and plus/minus and thats it. Every other category barkov has him beat. Better shooting percentage, his faceoff percentage is 11% higher than mcdavids, more blocked shots, more hits, more takeaways. Mcdavid has him beat in points and plus minus thats it.
That empty net save, regardless that it ended poorly, should be on future Stanley Cup hype videos/commercials. Watching that play out was some of the most insane hockey I've seen in a bit.
I'm liking for the Isla appearance and *NO OTHER REASON* /s
Barkov may be my favourite Panther - however I believe both shorties were scored with him on the ice...maybe the best defensive forward in the league and 2 shorties in back to back games makes him ineligible for the Conn Smythe. And I really like how that dude plays.
The pass sent to him during last game that lead to the goal never reached him and was a bad pass. Not his fault lol
In Matthew Tkachuk's defense, he wasn't expecting the refs to actually call his flagrant dive.
Multiple Blue Jacket shout outs! Dubois, Waddell, and Curtis!
Fire the freaking cannon.
Dang the Dutch look like they know how to party
Lol jesse is out to lunch on the mcdavid stuff. It's the whole playoffs dude, he is almost 20 points up on Barkov lol
Barkov is a 2 way guy. Mcdavid isn't. Points aren't everything
@@JarradBruessel32tired narrative thats been wrong for years now
@@rona6063 what do you mean?
@@JarradBruessel32McDavid dominated in his own zone last game while barkov got out skated by Connor brown and gave up a shorty lmao
@@JarradBruessel32 he's not doing a great job of it, giving up 8 points in two games against Mcdavid
Jesse’s bias against the Oilers ruins this show on a regular basis.
I disagree with Jessie.. McDavid has the 4th most points playoffs ever this isn't two games it's a a whole playoffs of brilliance. Breaking the assist record and modern day points record is a big deal I think he deaervesb
Jesse: "I want to ignore everything McDavid did in the playoffs and vote mvp for an objectively worse player that won the Cup"
Happy to continue pushing my problems under the cupboard.
9/10 on the DTIOM for the Oranje 🇳🇱
Came from Spotify just to say thisss… SARGE IS THE GOAT!!! Go troops go
Sarge is terrifying. Looks like a burn victim.
I love these duck jerseys. I'm a ducks fan
Dicky Duck? Awesome if he gets it! He's the sweetest person, and deserves all the success.
A fun fact they missed about the Savannah Ghost Pirates is that Jared Staal, the youngest of the Staal brothers, is their head coach.
McDavid is doing this in a much higher skill era. From goalies, to d to offense. He is above and beyond the best player to ever play the game
Yes and No, You have to take in account in the 80s there was no such thing as interference, you could open ice hit, there was much more hooking and holding. Goalies could play the puck.
The rules of the game today is to allow skilled players to do their thing. Equipment has improved, skates are better, not playing with solid wood sticks anymore.
You're right goaltending changed from stand up to Butterfly and it's much harder to score if you get to the net.
But getting to the net is easier and the speed of a shot is faster.
Think there is advantages and disadvantages in each era that makes this records incredible.
Yes and No, You have to take in account in the 80s there was no such thing as interference, you could open ice hit, there was much more hooking and holding. Goalies could play the puck.
The rules of the game today is to allow skilled players to do their thing. Equipment has improved, skates are better, not playing with solid wood sticks anymore.
You're right goaltending changed from stand up to Butterfly and it's much harder to score if you get to the net.
But getting to the net is easier and the speed of a shot is faster.
Think there is advantages and disadvantages in each era that makes this records incredible.
Jesse is so out to lunch with his Conn Smythe take. Contradicting himself left and right with the arguments and angles he’s taking too. What was that lol
Naw the zoom in to Steve’s Mic in The beginning is actually hilarious 😅
16:18 Jesse went full returd. Sorry buddy, l love you! But that was an absolutely mental take.
Treliving's trade history should terrify all of us
as a fan of both the Oilers and the Dutch football team I am having the best time right now.
Hronek contract will look better once the cap continues to go up. Also that's how much good rhd go for. Some people don't like it but don't see things objectively
Baby dangle. I can’t!
Mason McTavish had the greatest goal line save of all time for the Canada juniors in my opinion.
1. The Mascon MacTavish goal line stop in the WJC final in overtime is number one. He batted the puck out of the air on the goal line and then scored
2. I disagree with Jesse’s argument about the sequence of games not mattering. I think McDavid scoring these points while facing elimination and that pressure makes it 100x times better and more impressive
McTavish didn’t score the gold medal goal. Kent Johnson did.
I agree, Mason MacTavish stop in overtime in the Gold medal game at the WJC in 2022 is the biggest goal line stop. I think they might have been talking about about with the goalie pulled though.
I'd love for Bertuzzi and Domi to stay. Love their skill and in their face play and attitude.
Youre not putting Mctavish's goal line save on the mount Rushmore?!
Markstrom deal is in line with where it should be given his age. Typical would be just a first, and Flames said they wanted a first plus a roster guy, so they got what they asked for.
McDavid, 4th most points all time. Jesse "hurr durr no way McDavid wins the playoff mvp" another ice cold take by the man who doesn't seem to know a lot about hockey
She's an absolute doll baby. ❤❤❤
Surprised people arent talking more about adam blowing "who he play for" 😂😂 so funny, seems like something well see in a compilation.
Adorable way to start the show 💕 She must take after her mom, peaceful and quiet 😉
Thank god she gets her looks from her mom 😂😂😉
21:45 mcdavid set the assist record and has more points than you thought youd ever see again.
would the McTavish World Jr goal line stop count? It wasn't an empty net but him making that played lead to Canada rolling back the other way and scoring to win gold
Why you might also remember Kyle Maclean is because he scored his 1st NHL goal against the Leafs this year on a really nice move when a puck found him coming out of the box. The Isles also have his dad as an assistant coach (for now) and there was a nice moment that went semi-viral about his dad's reaction to it trying to hold back being too excited
I actually really like the new Ducks jerseys!!!
Markström never waived his no trade, and also, seeing Ullmark's trade makes the Markström deal look much better for Conroy.
Overtime will kill me as an Oilers fan.
The video on Netherlands fans was fun to see.
4:55 yes we dutchies tend to do that. Please note, these people don’t even have tickets. They just drive 6 hours to Hamburg just to party 🎉😊
Segment idea for the summer. Each person lists the top 5 best, and bottom 5 worst, team names from NHL History. Then you guys rank ‘em.
Another thing to consider with the Conn Smythe is the votes have to be in by 10 minutes to go in the third period in every potential Cup clinching game (thanks for the info CJ). What if it's tied at that point and McDavid has a couple of points? Who do you vote for for?
That being said, I think McDavid should win it regardless. Smashing the cap era points record is enough for me, chasing down Gretzky is the cherry on top if he gets there.
Gripper Nation In the Cut
I may be deluded, but Adam looks like he's been hitting the gym. HARD!
Jesse the con smythe is technically for the whole playoffs and McDavid set records and only has Gretzky and Lemieux ahead of him in the record books. It clear its McDavid had the better playoffs. It disingenuous to say McDavid has only 2 good games in the finals but compare Barkovs prowess in the other rounds when Connor McDavid set the record for most assists in a playoffs.
Pretty sure Draisaitl Back is still screwed from that Cross Check to the back by Tyler Myers against Vancouver.
He's not moving right, his skating is off his one timer of.
He's still reading the play well and passing well. But he's just not moving right. Pretty sure he's injured. You can stand in one spot on a busted ankle and fire home that one timer from the side. But a back? It's going to effect your faceoffs skating and swing through on a shot. I don't think he's going to come on now. Tkachuk and Bennett keep running him. No way he heals an injury like that while playing.
Youre wrong about the barkov not shutting him down narrative. Look up the stats when hes away from barkov. Majority of his points have come when hes avoided him on the ice. Barkov has shut him down when the matchup happens
Hahahaha
The part that makes your point moot, is that McDavid just dominated the game on Panthers home ice, they could have matched him up against McDavid and they either didn't, or couldn't. Barkov didn't shut down McDavid.
@Marixa1979 that doesn't make the point moot. When he was on the ice at the same time his production didn't happen. That's the point 😂 you can match up your lines for face-offs but live line changes mix things up and you can't always have them out vs eachother 100% of the time. That's not how the game works, man 😂😂
@@andrewminidis9776At home there is no excuse to not have your matchup. Florida had exacttly who they wanted out with McDavid all game.
@rona6063 that's literally not how the sport works 💀 live line changes happen. Florida chooses off of dead puck face offs. There's opportunity to slip the match up for edmonton, dummy 😂😂
My Dutch fans are the best. I’m born in Netherlands but now Canadian. Go Oilers Go! Go Holland Go!!
My hometown team the Sheffield Steelers (UK), play in orange and just won the grand slam (all 3 trophies League, Play-offs and Challenge Cup), in the British league. Our arena looks great with all the orange around, definately looks good on a winning team!
If the Panthers win the Cup and McDavid gets the Conn Smythe, I'd wager he's gonna hate that trophy and will probably mean nothing to him. The only goal is the Cup. I'm not a fan of any player on the losing team winning the Conn, no matter how great of a performance.
I didn't know there was a team called the Ghost Pirates. I was a ghost pirate for Halloween when I was 5.
Now that Adam has mentioned Euro 2024 in Germany, I can't but share the fact that Czechia have Krejci and Chytil playing for them in this tournament which I find kind of cool 🙃
This show rocks
Gretzky all time goal record is 1 of his easiest records to break? What ?🤷wow that is insane thing to say Steve.