Stephen A. SHOCKS Mad Dog with Steph Curry-Wilt Chamberlain hot take | First Take
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Stephen A. Smith discusses who he would replace in the Top-10 NBA Players of all time if Steph Curry were to win a fourth ring.
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Curry for me, is the best teammate of all time, if you put him with any of theses legends, they are winning the championship.
Yeah, there is way too much attention to the hero ball dudes who put up stats and spectacular plays. Dynasties are about winning, consistently. Spurs - team ball. Warriors - team ball. It's about coaching and the buy-in of players to be unselfish. Curry is the engine of the Warriors' team effort. Dude has been an offensive threat since high school.
He’s a one trick pony
@@RetroNBA42 He's a champion.
@@RetroNBA42 nah bro. u the one who lives ponies
Him and Tim Duncan are are equal in that regard
Mad dog naming every nba player we dont know 😂 how old is this man cuz he dont even look that old
Around 60s
I'm 35 and know all those names it's called know the history of the game
I’m 20 and knew most but not all
Hahahahahahaha
How old are u? 4?
Mad Dog had me until he said Steph not better than Oscar 😂😂😂.
Yeah lol almost anyone says that Curry is the 2nd greatest point guard behind Magic, so if that is the case how is he not better than Oscar who is also a point guard
To say Shaq played against no center was ridiculous too
Hakeem David Robinson Alonzo ,Ewing. List goes on lol
@@wjl2068 Exactly, that made no sense
Oscar is the GOAT PG he's the greatest scoring PG of all time
The same argument about not wanting to remove who’s in the top ten can be made for NOT HAVING the greatest shooter in NBA history in it
celtics are done warriors winning the chip tomorrow
Before Curry the previous greatest shooter in NBA history wasn’t in the Top 10 so just because he’s now the best shooter doesn’t automatically put him in the Top 10
@@branblock1 the best shooter before steph wasn’t the best player on a 73 win team and only unanimous mvp EVER , I agree that he shouldn’t get on the list off of shooting alone but he is way more than the best shooter also one of the best winners in nba history
Yea but he's such a liability on defense and literally choked a finals away and played terrible.
I meannn, nobody considered Ray Allen in the top 10 when he was considered one of the greatest shooters of all-time.
Only thing about madd dogg is that he doesn’t show the same respect for the newer age players but I understand, 60-70s is his era.
Bob Cousy was playing agnst Plumbers
60s really shouldn't be his era, he was born in 1959...
The NBA had like 10 teams in that era 🤣🤣😆
The players that came first set the bar, and a less softer league. Anyone who comes after has to surpass that bar! Anyone who disagrees is both ageist and is filled with recency bias.
They smoked cigarettes on the bench bro
6'3 PG being compared to 6'6 - 7'0 giants and not Top 10? That is blasphemous
“Because Charles Barkley was one of the few heavy set players we need to make him top 5”
Height is a complete non-factor in my top-10. Why would it be a factor?
@@penkima4923 because there is a correlation between height of the player and being able to score and be effective in every facet of the game of basketball..
Admit it, height is still a big factor in basketball.
@@adrianjosephsenerpida2423 Skills, work ethic, and IQ can overcome height. Theres seven footers who can't score, defend, or even keep up with the pace of the game. Everybody has weaknesses.
@@adrianjosephsenerpida2423 Correlation between height and every facet of the game? Sounds like you're not saying anything at all. The small players tend to shoot 3-pointers more accurately. The bigs generally rebound more. Yes, there's a correlation. And? You want me to admit something? I thought I was pretty clear on my comment. A correlation can be calculated on any subject, including basketball. Or a top-10 list. But, it still isn't a factor choosing the top-10 list.
Wilt is the best overall athlete in NBA history in terms of size, strength, and explosiveness. If size didn’t matter it’d be Iverson pound for pound athlete. Halfway between AI and Wilt on the size scale is MJ. So take your pick of who you want to build around and build accordingly. Every team can win if it’s built properly around the star.
It should be said that although Wilt was the biggest force the league has seen, he was actually more of a finesse player, his fadeaway was one of the beautiful shots ever.
For how dominating Wilt was, he lost to Bill Russel's Celtics
1:57 lmfao dude got mad out of nowhere. Taking Wilt out of top 10 really got him going
Steph over Oscar for sure. KD not in the category with Steph right now
KD right now has had better career
@@dft1 KD couldn’t win a ring without steph
@@dft1 Talk to me after thursday
2 FMVPS say otherwise
Never has been
Mad dog said without stuttering "66-67 76ers"
He named numbers
I love Madd Dogg..especially when he start yelling. Lol
Curry is better than Durant🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
He is not. He has the perfect system build around him. If he went to the knicks he won’t be the same
@@brian6816 they built the system around him.. the warriors didn’t play like that before Steph.. warriors fans know. Y’all just started watching the Warriors. I can tell.
Curry is just overrated. Never would have won if Kyrie/Love were playing in 2015. Never would have won without KD. Dude was scared to play Lebron after 2016 and needed KD to save him who at the time was a top 2 player.
Boy you better get off that dope smh
He’s been better lol
Wilt only won when he played for the team, which he hardly ever did. Check his stats when the won the chips, they were lower. These were the seasons he listened to his coach. Part of being a great player is knowing how to play tactically and Wilt only knew how to play for himself. Steph doesn’t play for stats,he goes for titles and gets the stats along the way.
warriors winning the chip tomorrow
Idk man I disagree. Wilt just did what the coaches told him to. When they told him to pass more, he led the league in assists... The man is just a beast
@@MrBobby13531 "He said in training camp that he wanted to lead the league in assists. He thought that would be cool. Of course, we all thought that would be cool too. But he didn't want us to run. He wouldn't throw outlet passes off rebounds. Only Billy or Chet were allowed to run out and score on the fastbreak if they got long rebounds.
"Wilt wanted to be involved in every half-court play, so he stood there in the middle and all of us would run around him and he tried to pile up his assists. You've got to remember that assists were kept much more strictly back then. There was none of this stuff like today where you can take three dribbles and a head-fake and it counts. You got assists if you caught the pass and made the shot. So that meant Wilt would only pass it to guys who could catch and shoot -- Luke, Billy sometimes, Wali, Hal and me. In my case, he'd try to get me to just go backdoor for a layup, because he didn't trust me to do much else. And he'd never pass it to Chet Walker, because Chet always had to be pump-faking or use a dribble and take away the assist."
- Matt Guokas
And no, he didn't just do what the coaches told him, he resisted. That's why he clashed with coaches:
"But Chamberlain made it clear that he did not like to be told what to do. He complained to reporters about Hannum's strategy, and Hannum insisted to the same men that Chamberlain was going to have to change. The tension built until one night in Vancouver, British Columbia, shortly before the opening game of the regular season. Hannum and Chamberlain got into a violent locker-room argument and avoided coming to blows only when the other players intervened. Hannum, deciding a showdown was necessary, ordered the other players out, then took off his jacket. 'You've been fighting me as a coach all the way,' Hannum said. 'Now fight me as a man.' Chamberlain glared at Hannum for a long moment and then folded, saying, 'Aw, I can't fight you, Alex.' Hannum felt that his approach was vindicated when, in the opening game of the season, against Baltimore, the Warriors won easily though Wilt scored only twenty-three points. In the second game, against St. Louis, the Warriors won again with Wilt scoring only twenty-two. As the team continued to win, sportswriters began talking about the "new Chamberlain" and the "new Warriors." One article was headlined, "The fight to remodel Wilt Chamberlain."
This emphasis irritated Chamberlain, suggesting as it did that he had previously been an immature and selfish player who was responsible for the failures of his teams. Despite grudgingly yielding to Hannum's authority, he still resented the coach, and complained about him to Guy Rodgers, one of his closest friends on the team. But Rogers thought Hannum's strategy was obviously paying off. Rogers wanted to see the Warriors win, and it vexed him that Chamberlain seemed willing to put his own pride ahead of the best interests of the team. 'You've got to bow down, Wilt,' Rodgers told Chamberlain. "Admit it, cat, that we're a much better club with you feeding us part of the time and then getting back to protect our basket.'
-The Rivalry: Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and the Golden Age of Basketball
You mean the year they won when he led the league in assists. Also Wilt has 2 great finals performances but they still lost
That's a great point that is often overlooked by everyone BUT i don't think Wilt necessarily went for stats, it just happened 😂
Low-key mad dog is a genius even Stephen a smith is impressed
Mad Dog is a radio sports legend. He's a true historian when it comes to sports
I’m not done yet!!!! 😂 😂 get ‘em Mad dog!!!
“I’M NOT DONE YET!” 😂
Amare with a highlighter and no papers hahaha love him man
a top 10 ALL TIME list of nba players without wilt is like a top 10 empire list of all time without ancient egypt or rome
Mad Dog states at 2:02 that Shaq played against weak center competition. When Shaq first came (1992-93) into the league, the top centers were: Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing, Mutombo and Mourning. That's a very solid group of Hall of Famers. Ewing and Olajuwon were the oldest of the group at age 30. There was also Brad Daughtery, but his career was cut short. Rik Smiths had a decent career and Rony Seikely was very underrated. It wasn't until the 1997-98 season that Shaq began to consistently be voted onto the 1st team All-NBA.
As time went on, and this group got old and/or retired, the center position was no longer as noteworthy. By 2002, the third team All-NBA center was Ben Wallace - a great defensive ballplayer, but very limited offensively. There were a few players emerging who were in the PF/Center mold: Duncan, Gartnett, Webber and to some extent Nowitski but I don't believe they consistently matched up 1:1 against Shaq in games. Yao Ming came along later on. Brad Miller and Ilgauskas were decent during the second half of Shaq's career, but far from hall of famers.
So the fact check on Mad Dog is that he's half right. The first 7 or so years of Shaq's career, there were many great centers in the league but the level diminished in the following 7 years. In his 19 year career, Shaq was dominant for the first 13-14 seasons (thru 2005-06)
1:57 Stephen a face when talking about KD 😂
Here after game 6 and I paid close attention to Smart guarding Curry and what Stpehan A said is true ...... Curry was being guarded at the half court and he still made a 3
Wow mad dog finally washed Stephen a in a debate I’m impressed 😂
He didn’t wash him. He’s an idiot for taking Robinson over Steph, and if you agree I’d have to think you’re 1 too ngl. I’m not even a avid curry fan, and believe he’s better.
Oscar is better the Curry man what ? Oscar was never the best player on his team
@@justeezy8569 I would bet you never seen Oscar play before.
@@anthonyburnett6183 Oscar was the better player on the kings, but he have 0 sucess as the alpha on the team and just won 1 title thanks to Kareem.
@@TheBestMovieAlive ok is Oscar better than curry? Alright then. Idiot
Wilt Chamberlain isn’t going off no top ten’s list or the Mt. Rushmore list Wilt Chamberlain has over 90 plus records on the books and responsible for 3 nba rules changes it’s crazy how that man gets disrespected like his does smh.
its cause hes dead so he cant say nothing to the haters
@@giantsashavor7809 Bro stop the cap🧢 show some respect on his name
Exactly Chamberlain was & is the best that has ever played nobody on his level.
I like how mad dog and Stephen a play off eachother they should have there own show it’d be great
As a lifelong 660 WFAN listener, I'll always watch/listen Mad Dog no matter where he's working.
Please Mad Dog is a clown
Curry has all these good players around him because his team can develop these players into all stars, none of them were already an all star.
I’ll take him over Oscar stop it
Might wanna learn your history kiddo youd be a fool if you did that
@@mattrice3993 bro I am taking Stephen curry all time over Oscar.
@@kevothegoat9891 curry can shoot what else? Oscar Robinson was a great defender great finisher and great passer like I said get educated
@@mattrice3993 curry isn’t just a great shooter 😭bro can score anywhere inside and out. Please who was Oscar defending bro stop it and Steph has proven he could be the best player on a championship team something Oscar never has done
@@kevothegoat9891 jerry west,walt frazier,dave bing,lenny wilkens, kc jones, Bob cousey etc like I said get educated kid. And everything you just listed off basically says all curry can do is shoot .you just played yourself bruh.😂
Appreciate the greatness that is Steph Curry. He is a Legend and changed the way basketball is played.
Warriors is a dynasty and Steph Curry is top 10 already
How's he top 10? He wasn't even the best player on his team for 2 of his championships.
@@jonm7888 Curry is the most underrated player in the league, maybe in the history of the league. I’m not really a Steph fan or Warriors fan (I suppose I like them, but they’re not my team) - I’m just a stats geek. He has gravity unlike any other player the league has seen. He virtually always leads in the league in effect on teammates TS% on/off court, often by an absurd degree. One year, his teammates (ignoring his shooting) shot an average of 7% higher TS% when he was on the court vs off. For example, Klay was 52.5% when Steph wasn’t on the court and 60.5% when Steph was on the court, which was basically typical for the team.
While Curry and Durant were both on GSW, in the regular season and playoffs combined, Golden State is plus 1.3 points per 48 minutes with Durant on the floor and Curry off. It's plus 12.1 points per 48 minutes with Curry on the floor and Durant off. Both sample size are well over 2,000 minutes. Curry >> Durant.
he’s wasn’t even the best player on some of his winning teams like 2017 but anyways he not better then jordan, magic, bird, kobe, duncan, lebron, shaq, bill russell, shaq, hakeem or kareem steph at the highest is 12
@@jonm7888 he's easily top 10. He was always better than KD as well, you never watched those teams.
@@carolemcantwell1319 he was better than KD on those teams, everyone knows that.
This segment and ESPN’s top 10 list goes to show how LITTLE they know about ranking and evaluating basketball.
Clearly there’s a difference between greatest and best, Curry is Top 10 in both, Curry is the 2nd best PG or the best ever
Overall player he's not, definitely best shooter but he sucks in defense.
@@mscooldeadly you’ve have not watched him defensively, to say he sucks is excessive, not gifted yes
@@vincevincent3425 no he sucks at defense accept it
Curry the best of being so overrated
@@vincevincent3425 he sucks in defense, when draymond is injured 3 months ago, curry is an easy target in defense,, he cant guard one by one and a bbq chicken in switches
Wilt is in his own stratosphere. It’s funny hearing anyone put anybody above him. He is the record book. All these other guy’s playing for 2nd.
Wilts numbers are too crazy to have him outside that top ten. Too good, too dominant
Take the stat padding of russel westbrook and put it on a big guy you get wilt.
@@steviegreenthumb4720 Bruh are u serious?
@@steviegreenthumb4720 Nha bruh! Wilt dominated hard. Do not diss him like that
Wilt wasn't a winner. total stat padder
@@MrLelepele Bill Russell got 11 rings in 13 years. Against Wilt. Wilt got two. Ever.
We love Mad Dog
People forget that NBA being only 10 teams back then means that EVERY team is loaded.... another way to think about it is that Bill Russell is facing Wilt Chamberlain TEN TIMES in a regular season o.o
People have to stop disrespecting The Great Wilt Chamberlain.. Stop just stop. 🛑
Low-key players like Stephen curry and Jayson Tatum are skilled creative talented player's that benefit from having a great chemistry team
This is when you need Ryan Clark to put Mad Dog in his place for yelling.
the average height of the nba back then was 6 ft 6 without shoes
now its 6 ft 6 with shoes on
the average height of a center back then was
6 ft 10 without shoes
the average height now is 6 ft 10 with shoes
so take that into consideration
wilt would be listed at 7 ft 3, 300 pounds in his prime today , hed be the biggest, when taking into his height and weight
Wilt played in a league with 8-12 teams at a time
while still having an 82 game schedule
with about 80% of the teams having a hof center
this means wilt played a hof center just about every night
C-Bill Russell: 6’11” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons)
(up to 14 times in the regular season)
C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'4" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons)
(up to 5 times in the regular season)
C-Willis Reed: 6,10.5” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons)
(up to 10 times a season)
C-Walt Bellamy: 7, 0" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons)
(up to 10 times a season)
C-Artis Gilmore: 7'3" HOF
C-Bob Lanier: 7'0" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons)
(up to 7 times a season)
C-Nate Thurmond: 7'1" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons)
(up to 7 times a season)
C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season)
(Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’9) (26 times in 5 seasons)
(Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons)
(Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons)
(please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are about 6’9)
ALL STARS AND OTHERS:
Dennis Awtrey: 7'0"
Tom Boerwinkle: 7'2"
Nate Bowmen: 7,0"
Mel Counts: 7'1"
Walter Dukes: 7'1"
Jim Eakins: 6'11"
Ray Felix: 6'11"
Hank Finkel: 7'0"
Swede Halbrook: 7'5" (look at his highlights)
Reggie Harding: 7'0"
Jim McDaniels: 7'0"
Otto Moore: 6'11"
Dave Newmark: 7'0"
Rich Niemann: 7'0"
Billy Paultz: 6'11"
Craig Raymond: 6'11"
Elmore Smith: 7'0"
Chuck Share: 7,0 "
Ronald Taylor: 7'1"
Walt Wesley: 7,0"
TOM PAYNE 7'4 "
GREG FILLMORE 7'1
CRAIG SPITZER 7'0
LARUE MARTIN 6'11
VIC BARTOLOME 7'1
GEORGE JOHNSON 6'11
WILLIAM SMITH 7'1
(the heights are with the added 1 1/2 inches to take into consideration the fact that players in this "era" were measured without shoes)
you can look up the hof centers on youtube pages like:
70s fan
Wilt chamberlain archive
This guy yelling at Smith sounds like an angry pre schooler
Sounds like bill russell needs to go cause he had them great great teammates 🥲
Historically great and a pioneer, he deserves his place in the top 10. That would be like not having Babe Ruth in the baseball top 10 or Joe Louis in the greatest heavyweights.
Stephen gotta get another ring to be top 10. When your in the top 10 it’s all about being the overall best player in the league at one point. Stephen maybe was known as the best player in 2016 when he won mvp but then Lebron won the championship against him down 3-1 so it’s hard being in the top 10 everybody is soooooo great 💯
He is already top 10 right now...MJ,Bron, KAJ,Magic,Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Kobe..then Curry..Russell is 10th. Hakeem, KD, Giannis,Moses Malone and Wilt are in the next 5 spots and none of them has Curry's greatness
Chris Russo is similar to Skip Bayless because of his takes. I hope he debates with Sir Charles Barkley tho
The old heads always stuck in the past and refusing to see a new player surpass a older good player
I’m so shocked Stephen A has Steph behind KD and then let’s “kd deserves mention in this list” come out of his mouth. Steph wins a 4th ring and he’s better than Durant. Curry has won 10 finals games (as of now) without Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant has won ONE finals GAME without the warriors in his career. Stop the blasphemy Stephen A
Put it this way KD wouldn't win those 2 rings without the warriors....but the warriors wouldn't win their 2nd and 3rd ring without KD. Also the warriors wouldn't win their first ring against a healthy Cavs
@@okiedokie2557 okay so Steph still has a injury asterisk championship, but another finals appearance, on the verge of winning another. Kd hasn’t sniffed another finals appearance. All I’m saying is KD, got swept and played terrible vs the same team Steph is leading the finals against. Steph’s won 3 games vs Boston to nets getting swept
@@okiedokie2557 The fact that they are on the verge of winning another one and have gone to 3 finals without him, kinda means they had a pretty great chance of winning 2nd and 3rd without him
@@okiedokie2557 😆😆🤣 KD not going back to the finals, warriors got the next 3 🏆
@@zmankicks7688 a championship is a championship. We not asterisking the Raptors title because Klay and KD went down. Why always downplays the Warriors 2015 win. Injuries are part of the game.
The problem is he is one of its own kind of player no player ever play the game like him
Yes all the mentioned players are better than him as a basketball player but his impact on the game is matchable with Jordan and LeBron
Now a 6foot guy think about to become a basketball player because of him
AI and Kyrie play a similar style as individual players.
Stop it
Curry over Oscar Roberson sorry not sorry 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
This was settled years ago
Quit being delusional
Not better then Oscar I’m sorry.
So is it about Rings or the impact because SAS makin it seem like its all about the Rings
Imo I do got steph at top 10, but I got him on the back end of that list, at 8 or 10
"But I have now racked up all the all-time scoring and playing records-all the ones that count-and what else is there? Final standings at the end of this season: Chamberlain leads the scoring, with 2,534 points, for the sixth year in a row. Chamberlain shoots 2,081 and hits 1,063 for a .510 average. or 34.7 points a game. And that's in 73 games: I didn't play them all. See what I mean?"
-Wilt Chamberlain, 1965
You see, Wilt didn't care much about winning, what he cared about most was accumulating surface level stats. What top-10 all time player thinks of retiring after just 6 years just because he accumulated surface level stats, without having won the Championship? The guy really sad "what else is there?" That really says it all.
"He said in training camp that he wanted to lead the league in assists. He thought that would be cool. Of course, we all thought that would be cool too. But he didn't want us to run. He wouldn't throw outlet passes off rebounds. Only Billy or Chet were allowed to run out and score on the fastbreak if they got long rebounds.
"Wilt wanted to be involved in every half-court play, so he stood there in the middle and all of us would run around him and he tried to pile up his assists. You've got to remember that assists were kept much more strictly back then. There was none of this stuff like today where you can take three dribbles and a head-fake and it counts. You got assists if you caught the pass and made the shot. So that meant Wilt would only pass it to guys who could catch and shoot -- Luke, Billy sometimes, Wali, Hal and me. In my case, he'd try to get me to just go backdoor for a layup, because he didn't trust me to do much else. And he'd never pass it to Chet Walker, because Chet always had to be pump-faking or use a dribble and take away the assist."
- Matt Guokas
And that one's for the casuals who equate assists to "unselfishness."
A player playing in the 60s when the NBA didn't matter much ?
Wilt cared about women.
@@cp3190 it mattered way more then than it does now...who tf cares about this pussified nba? Nobody...I used to be a diehard fan, I checked out a long time ago
So now his stats are here to discredit him because of statements? These same stats lead his team to 2 rings, beat the greatest sports dynasty to ever exist, wilt in his entire career never played with more then 1 hof in his primes I looked through all him team I couldn't actually find a true hof that was in his prime except 1 and this man wilt was just supposed to overcome the celetics? Like idc why he put up his stats he did and won rings out of it, if he didn't win any rings ofc he won't be top 10 but he did you can go spew your nonsense somewhere else.
Dude said he's not better than Oscar 😱
Russo is right curry not top 10
Magic never did not have on his roster a top 2 center at that time in Kareem ; the 2nd best shooting guard in the league in Worthy ; the best wing defenders in the league in Byron and Cooper and for a shorter stretch the strongest player in the league in Maurice Lucas. 17 and 18 warriors with KD don't compare to that. Curry has to be before Magic.
You forgot About Jamaal Wilkes and Norm Nixon
@@gabrielruiz9871 And Bob McAfoo who I am just finding out is statistically the best big man shooter of all time ahead of Dirk and Ewing.
Learn basketball Worthy wasn't no shooting guard
@@theetruth8626 Worthy played the 2-4 positions. For a stretch, he was the most versatile player in the league and yes from 89- 91 he had become a better player than Magic.
Baffles me that only 80-90s players can be considered top 10
KD and LeBron?
Kobe too
Steph A said KD, the point is 9 of the top 10 players just didn’t play between 1970-2000s
@@ellobosolo3487 5/10 if we include Shaq and Tim Duncan
If they’re the best they’re the best, somebody past that time period doesn’t have to be included if they legitimately aren’t better than those people
Mad Dog is the great value version of Skip 🤦🏾♂️🥴 Curry is a top ten player!
He’s not
@@jetblack4206 how’s he not?? Who’s your top ten??
@@befrlilhomie8929 mj,lebron,kareem,wilt,russel,hakeem,shaq,duncan,larry,magic,kobe all better players then him (this wasn't in order) all these players were better leader,defenders,all of them have 2fmvps, better ring value I mean like why is steph better then any of them? What he shoot better?
If you don't count 2 of stephs rings then you can't count none of Bill Russell's rings. Steph is top 10
and magic also
Curry is just overrated. Never would have won if Kyrie/Love were playing in 2015. Never would have won without KD. Dude was scared to play Lebron after 2016 and needed KD to save him who at the time was a top 2 player.
@@coldones9505 then to that logic. LeBron never would have won if he didn't create super teams and kd would never have won without Steph. You can literally make that sane argument for all the greats. Plus I disagree about Steph. They had the fully healthy Cavs down 3-1. Thsts one win away from a title but you expect me to believe they couldn't beat them if both teams were whole the entire series. Curry played with a sprained mcl, bogut was their only rim protector and he got hurt so to your logic , LeBron wouldn't have won if warriors were fully healthy
I don't want to diss Cousy, K-C Jones and other Celtics 60s HoFs. They were great players. But I wonder, how many of them would be a part of Hall of Fame if Russells defence have not revolutionized the sport?
Also, so much attention is given to Stephs stats. Even when his missing due to the great defence, even if you can do something about him - dude still creates so much space with the attention he has to be given that everybody around him just trives.
Yes, you can do something about Steph Curry, the way you can't/couldn't do about Lebron, KD, MJ, Shaq or Kobe. But even if you can and have to (because you can get down 20 in a matter of minutes the way you won't with other greats), he still creates unpararelled in history space for his teammates. This doesn't get enough recognition in the discussion, especially in era when it became so crucial.
Dog knows more than mr. potatoe head
Lool....In their hearts of heart they know Steph is by far better than magic. They are just finding it hard to admit.
Only a uneducated dummy would say something so stupid
Nine teams in 66-67 😂 league was garbage. It was an adult aau league
Going up against war vets😭
@@kevothegoat9891 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m dead
oh but kareem won his first ring when there was 16 teams in the league but y’all don’t say anything about that
@@kevothegoat9891 and players today are podcasters, instagram models, rappers, tiktokers, and twitch streamers.
@@patek9789 16 vs 9 is a huge difference 😭😭
I know those players..Wilt also had Jerry West. The man is literally the NBA Logo. Let’s don’t act like Wilt had nothing..
Wilt's first six years on the Warriors.41.5 points & 25.1 rebounds a game. Seriously!
and he still wasn't a winner. James Harden averaged like 36 ppg, didn't win jack.
@@binary his teammates and coach are big reasons why.
How you score that many point but don’t got more chips??
Mad dog perfect fit in any sports ahow
Wilt chamberlain regular season stats: 30.1-22.9-4.4…. Playoffs stats: 22.5-24.5-4.2…. Huge drop off in scoring basically 8 point drop off from his regular season average….
Steph curry regular season: 24.3-4.6-6.5
Steph curry playoffs: 26.5-5.4-6.3…. Improving or maintaining productivity across the board…. And he has more chips than wilt….
celtics are done warriors winning the chip tomorrow get ready for a celebration
Bro they didn’t even have 3 point shots though…
Can u put Stephs efficiency numbers as well ?
Exactly brought up 68 wins like Steph didn’t literally have the greatest regular season of all time 😂
Wilt playoff numbers are lower because he played a lot of playoffs where he was out of his prime at his peak years he averaged way more than Curry 🍛 plus he is a top defender of all time literally 100x better defender
It hard to judge Curry top ten.. right now. All I know I test at 34...had his best year....
Baily Howell? Frank Ramsey? Zack Sanders??? how long ago what this?
Not sure about top 10 all time but I do think Curry is better than Oscar Robertson. I would put Curry maybe 12-15?
Mad dog spoke fact’s straight fact’s couldn’t have said it any better . Steph is top 15 no doubt. But top 10 you must be crazy lmao 😂💯🏀
Same players should not be compared.
He top 10, he revolutionized the game, he not a better player than Durant or Duncan but he won more chips. Durant shouldn’t even b considered tbh
Steph already top 10 player, and is better than KD since 8 years ago. KD is arguably the second or best offensive player all time, but not better than curry. Curry's effect on games is not translated in stats. Imagine guys like Igoudala could ever be in a team to beat Lebron's superteam, win a championship, and be the FMVP? Imagine how many years did KD have before joining Curry to show he is better than Lebron, then left Curry and got swept by a team that Curry is about to take down. Imagine the bust that Wiggins was for so many years, and then suddenly and "coincidentally" become a superstar after playing along side curry. U can have the world's greatest engineers and never triumph anything, while there are literally over thousands of engineers smarter than elon musk, BUT they are not greater than him. Like reggie miller said, even he could shoot over MJ, imagine what Curry would've done. I'm not putting Curry over MJ just yet, but imagine GSWs ball movement with Curry and Klay both shooting at normal, MJ is not winning those 6 rings so easily. U putting magic, MJ, russel, lebron...duncan, robertson all before steph? Do this instead. Pair a guy like Giannis or Lebron with Steph, and do the same for any of those top 10 players like kobe and lebron, MJ and lebron, duncan and lebron etc. Imagine which pair will be the most unstoppable. KD had a ton of chances playing with numerous superstars in westbrook, harden, kyrie etc. KD could not succeed playing with any of them for 10 YEARS!!!! KD joined Curry and instantly become "best player" and NO TEAM COULD COME CLOSE to beating them. GSW became a champ guarantee! We all know lebron is better than KD. Prime Lebron had wade, bosh, kyrie, love, AD, Westbrook. Did Lebron ever had the dominance of Curry+KD GSW?? Not even close! Lebron had wade and bosh and lost to dirk and spurs. Curry and KD GSW would've obliterated the Spurs or Dallas. And we know Lebron is better than KD. So how is that possible????
You're speaking facts but it's either they can't fathom the reality or just plain self denial.
Add Wiggins in the mix. As I've said before, they don't need Kd but atleast a better upgrade for Harrison Barnes. Now they got Wigs same result a championship team and it's all because of Curry's effect.
The fact you have steph in your top 10 already makes this invalid but anyways, steph still out here with only ZERO fmvp, 0 all defense selection, 0 dpoy, had one if the coldest shots in nba history hit on his head, blew a 3-1 lead in the finals, 2015 beat the cavs that had 2 of thier best players injured and still went to game 6, 2017 and 2018 beat a far worse cavs team, while still putting up less numbers then both kd and lebron he has no argument for being the best in any of his rings, like just because he can shoot and he gets double teamed doesn't make him a top 10 player lol, every top 10 player has been double or triple teamed almost entire games especially guys like wilt and shaq, curry efficiency when thr games within 3 points IS FAR worse the when the difference is double digits Clearly showing where steph gets points (when the games already far outta reach and his playing againist bench players) like why do pll think his top 10 he literally accomplished less then 11 players objectively speaking lol
Every player mad dog named, curry has a totally different style of game play than all these players. Plus you can say all those players games, but wen u switch up that format to favor Currys game he's arguably top 5 all time.
Bruh being stupid u too uneducated on basketball to even say who's top 5
Just no
Yes
Boomers stuck in the 90s can’t comprehend a 6’3 basketball player that changed their beloved game with his shooting and changed the NBA is being considered a top 10 player.
Curry beat the 2nd greatest player of all time in lebron and led his team to 3/4 finals against him, has 6 trips to the finals in 8 years and is among the most winningest trio in NBA finals with 2 other players that aren’t even considered for the top 75 list.
Curry and kd you meant
You just be younger then 15 🤦♀️
it's just me, or that Amare's smoking something over there? : )
Wilt’s scoring title with women can’t be broken.
And your feminity shows why u hate so much
These convos just get worse and worse, because the amount of top players keeps increasing but the number 10 will only ever be 10.
Steph was top 10 before game 6.
Steph belongs in the top 10 Kobe should be higher on the list. Oscar gotta come off, and I’d choose Shaq over Duncan
11th & 12th not bad
@@qp4131 so who u taking of, mj,lebron,kareem,russel,wilt,shaq,hakeem,magic,bird,duncan,kobe, that'd 11 you'd have to take 2 of them of hakeem is untouchable vs steph since his a far far better player in defense then steph gaps too large, won 2 fmvps, 2 of the 5 hardest rings in nba history,dpoy etc, shaq 4 rings 3fmvp enough said, Duncan 5 rings enough said plus 2fmvp if you need, kobe 5 and 2 enough said, bird 3mvp,3 rings,2 fmvps enough said, magic 5 and 3 3 enough said, mj that's all, lebron that's all, kareem that's all, wilt 4 mvp, 2 rings, 2fmvp(giving 1967 to wilt since award didn't exist) 7 scoring champion 70 records, likely multiple time dpoy winner, 1x assist title *8x block leader due to unofficial block tracking, bill russel 11 rings, I mean I don't see steph taking any of these guys of the top 10 list
Curry way better than bird bro😂
so its bird, magic, bill, kareem, wilt, shaq, hakeem, lebron, kobe, jordan, duncan. thats 11
even if u say bill offensively but defensively and rebounding is 2nd to wilt
Tired of these top 10 talks. So many deserve spots for different reasons. Steph personifies the best of team work, selflessness, joy, decency on and off the court, quiet demeanor that plays the exact opposite, and defying the rule of physical attributes in the game of professional basketball that requires big, physical body. And he’s the best shooter we’ve ever witnessed - the ONLY indisputable argument in the history of NBA. You can even argue about who the GOAT is - Michael or LeBron or Bill Russell… but you can’t argue about who the best shooter is without being laughed off the court. So top 10 or not, Steph is actually in a class all by himself.
Steph is no where near a top 10 player
Still chasing that plumber,Bob Cousy.Ñot mad at you dog!
And what mad dog says right there is the reason why I wouldn’t take will Chamberlain offer any “Mount Rushmore“ Only Michael Jordan could claim to be better than he is without me but it out and hysterical laughter
Mad dog be coming wit facts & history we need I didn’t kno wilt was that great
Great like Westbrook and James Harden. Always looked to put up stats and didn't care about winning. If that is a top 10 player to you, then I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.
@@tylertheurer9122 wilt did win, he beat the greatest sports dynasty even if it was once he beat it that is something no other athlete will ever be able to say (other then his team) so I mean him pitting up these stats, winning , contribution to amazing team accomplishment and winning 2fmvp (1967 no debate) all his records, accolades is firmly able to put him top 10 for decades
@@tylertheurer9122 universal playz is right, nobody else can say they ended an 8 year championship streak. harden or westbrook would never
Mad Dog is insufferable IMO. Dude literally didn't include the 1995 Bulls even in his top 5 NBA teams ever. Guy said Cleveland is the best sports town. Dang, I thought Skip Bayless said contrary things just to say contrary things, but this guy, my lord.
Taking Oscar and Durant over steph is straight hate.
Take KD out of that list please...
1. Micheal Jordan
2. Lebron James
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Tim Duncan
8. Stephen Curry
9. Larry Bird
10. Shaquille O Neal
Effect on the game??? Magic had an impact! No league without him
I love Hakeem but Shaq better folk 😂
I would think about moving Larry bird or Oscar Robertson
Larry Bird no, Oscar Robertson yes. Just my opinion but Oscar is fringe top 20 and they only bring him up here because he is a PG and he feels it discredits Steph if he has multiple PG's as better.
@@tylertheurer9122 I feel you on that imo the top 10 is
Jordan
Lebron
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Hakeem
Larry
I think he can move around because imo he's at the bottom of the top 10 so if Steph is trying to crack the top 10 then naturally he'll have to pass Larry
Does Stephen A realize how crazy he looks and sounds???
Stephen it's top ten BEST PLAYERS. Mad dog is correct. Curry top 20 no question an that's ok
For Mad dog basically everything is older the better. Nobody can exceed what's done in history. You can be the 5th best center all time but still top 10 while the best shooter all time don't. What shooting is not as important? Points in the paint worth more? To him your new Ferrari can be 2.8s and more comfortable car at the same time but it's not a better car than the 1960 classic
Petrovich was a better shooter than Steph, might wanna go back and see for yourself
Mad Dog is hilarious... its like he stopped watching sports after 1976
Mad Dog hates on Bill Russell hard.
I thought the mad one was supposed to be Mad Dog... Stephen A is mad - Steph better than Magic?
Why are we talking about these players who dribbled the ball like idiots and shot underhanded free throws?
These guys literally smoked cigarettes on the bench and had 2nd jobs LMAOOOOOO
They played against plumbers, farmers and electricians.
Stephen and the other guy would take curry over Oscar robertson , proving that they don't know basketball