Great video. What I was hoping you'd get to was how much Mango's head to head changes while in Loser's. For example, vs Zain in Winners he has a 1-10 record while in Loser's he's 8-5 (this isn't counting Summit Champions Leagues and Octagon). That means 8/9 of his wins have been in Loser's. That's why I think Mango is a Loser's Monster imo.
realizing all three of the biggest recent losers runs culminated with beating zain game 10 rly shows that truly no one remembers second place cuz it takes such intense skill to be able to go game 5 with someone right after they beat you but we don’t really think about that much
Brilliant video. The smash community is infinitely better with people like walt and the great ppl at pgstats. This video was something above and beyond expectation. The super creative and perfectly executed Pound 3 animation, incredible stuff. Even better story telling, loved the narrative, the ending was so fitting both narratively and visually. Great job. Hope everyone who put in work on this project, from the melee historians to walt, feel extremely proud.
Fun video, I really liked the part where you brought it back to how we think about players rather than there actually being a definitive method to determine it. In the end, it's just a storyline, but it's certainly one of our community's most celebrated ones.
Been excited for this video because I started liking Melee a lot over the past 2 years and Summit 11 was the first ever melee tourney I watched fully live So thx for this amazing video Walt/People who helped
@@il100374 glad I joined I love the community not that other communities are bad but Melee’s community is just something different everyone just acts like you’ve been here since the beginning and even if u suck ballz it’s fine and I love that
This video reminds me of a classic quote. "There are 3 types of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics". Thank you for making sure your statistics told the truth by accounting for the eras. Primeau content. EDIT: PLUS THAT'S FACTS ABOUT THE PROG THING. MAN IS A VISIONARY.
The animations you used in this video were so cool. It’s such a creative way of showing old tournaments when even if they were recorded at all it was with awful camera quality on a crt tv. Keep up the great content pgstats.
This video is such a wonderful analysis of the different datasets, and a great viewpoint into past histories and awe inspiring moments! Thank you for all the work that went into this!
Trying the explain the history of pro Melee for the past 10 years to a friend who doesnt follow it at all is impossible. These videos are the only hope to preserve these incredible storylines. Thank you!
This video is fantastic. The illustrated animations of the bracket characters, and the extremely concise graphical visuals really make it a fantastic presentation. Well made PGStats
Since I view Mew2King as, like, the quintessential winner's bracket player, it'd be interesting to examine his success in general placement depending on whether he came from winner's or loser's- I do think that we consider him to be a dominant winner's bracket player because he made a lot of upsets, played some of his most memorable sets and maintained his image as an intimidating opponent from winner's side... even if he may have finished 2nd or 3rd or whatever.
Would love to see data on number of games played across losers runs too -- anecdotally it feels like Mang0 often deals with 5-game losers sets over and over again to get back to grand finals, and it's part of what makes his runs feel so satisfying
Gotta give respect to both Mang0 and the smash community but I don’t know if there’s anything more hype in all of sports or esports than Mang0 going ballistic, the way crowds will just explode after a normal win and the way he actually executes whenever he’s not hammered or sandbagging is just beautiful
I think another curious feature of Mango losers runs is the feeling that he has to play a ton of games he has to play, I'm curious how each of those loser's runs stacks up in terms of games played instead of sets played
when talking about mango losers runs vs hbox losers runs and why we remember mangos more, its because people want to see mango win more than hbox, generally speaking. they get more hyped for mango
Writer here - you're totally right, my bad. I think I just messed up since the data displays similarly in the graphing system we used. Thanks for noticing, hope you still enjoyed the video!
22:04 look at hboxs demeanour during what is literally the most stressful situation any pro smasher could be in. Dudes literally laughing to himself after hitting the smash di on the up air that would of cost him a major. What a fucking psycho.
What if we relegalize wobbling but the person being wobbled can pause to throw off the ices timing (if they quit, it's counted as a loss, pausing more than 4 seconds in a single pause is counted as a quit).
More like they just showed a bunch of different data sets to silence potential "b-but your data is skewed and cherry picked!!!" comments, some of which I'm sure you'd have left had they not done that.
That animated bracket at 11:19 is goated in and of itself
I was going to comment the same, I admire whoever made it.
literally scrolled down to say this
For real. Who made this? I hope they are credited.
I was so hype and amazed on that bracket
That animated bracket at 11:19 is goated*
fixed
drop that cancerous phrase
Bro imagine winning a major after losing round 1 of winners
Winning THE major
Has anyone besides mang0 and mkleo won a major from losing round 1?
@@theultimatemaster137 zero at tbh5
I dont have to imagine it I've done something similar. One time I lost out of a local after losing round 1 of losers.
That's the Mango
I respect that Ken STILL shows up in sone of these stats
"Respect your elders."
Or in this case: Pay your respects to the King.
Long live the king
My mans Ken is still top 5 idc what anyone says
I was there in the Ken days, he was great but not even top 20. It's okay.
@@chloelittle7036 how
Great video. What I was hoping you'd get to was how much Mango's head to head changes while in Loser's. For example, vs Zain in Winners he has a 1-10 record while in Loser's he's 8-5 (this isn't counting Summit Champions Leagues and Octagon). That means 8/9 of his wins have been in Loser's. That's why I think Mango is a Loser's Monster imo.
I was hoping we'd get to Mew2King's head at 5:56.
That “Never EVER” gave me chills
Got a time stamp?
@@crumpsypoo9171 don't feel like looking for it but iirc it's at the beginning of when he starts talking about pound 3
@@crumpsypoo9171 12:10
@@seasonedcurlies9005 Thanks man
realizing all three of the biggest recent losers runs culminated with beating zain game 10 rly shows that truly no one remembers second place cuz it takes such intense skill to be able to go game 5 with someone right after they beat you but we don’t really think about that much
Brilliant video. The smash community is infinitely better with people like walt and the great ppl at pgstats. This video was something above and beyond expectation. The super creative and perfectly executed Pound 3 animation, incredible stuff. Even better story telling, loved the narrative, the ending was so fitting both narratively and visually.
Great job. Hope everyone who put in work on this project, from the melee historians to walt, feel extremely proud.
Fun video, I really liked the part where you brought it back to how we think about players rather than there actually being a definitive method to determine it. In the end, it's just a storyline, but it's certainly one of our community's most celebrated ones.
Melee is a beautiful game, and the way you guys crunch numbers to contribute to narratives adds to its beauty.
Been excited for this video because I started liking Melee a lot over the past 2 years and Summit 11 was the first ever melee tourney I watched fully live
So thx for this amazing video Walt/People who helped
@@il100374 glad I joined I love the community not that other communities are bad but Melee’s community is just something different everyone just acts like you’ve been here since the beginning and even if u suck ballz it’s fine and I love that
the bracket animation is absolutely fuckin flames
This video reminds me of a classic quote. "There are 3 types of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics".
Thank you for making sure your statistics told the truth by accounting for the eras. Primeau content.
EDIT: PLUS THAT'S FACTS ABOUT THE PROG THING. MAN IS A VISIONARY.
Channels like you guys help keep Melee alive. Being able to break down these crucial corners of the community is a thing of beauty
The animations you used in this video were so cool. It’s such a creative way of showing old tournaments when even if they were recorded at all it was with awful camera quality on a crt tv.
Keep up the great content pgstats.
lets goooo great work to the entire stacked team behind this content piece!
It's not about the number of loser's run victories, it's about the quality 👌 And that's the Mang0
Yo the editing on this video is incredible tbh. Love mango and his story too!
Mango plot armor, perfectly balanced 11 loser runs, 11 winner side, 2 resets
Really appreciate the hard work that went into this video!
Amazing video. Best editing I've seen in a while. Great work!
"his love of a good brewski"
Shows mango stabbing a light beer.
Merica
5:54 The Faces of Victory
the notebook bracket animation was clean asf, keep up the good work panda!
Phenomenal video, love this analytical style.
crazy good video. i love the animated bracket section for pound 3 :)
Losers Bracket Mango
Tell me a 3 word phrase more legendary?
3-1 finals comeback
@@IntelTheft LOOOL
@@FirePuff12 Game four Leo.
(Not saying it's more or less legendary, just another cool 3 word phrase)
"Prog probably said it better before" is a universal truism
This video is such a wonderful analysis of the different datasets, and a great viewpoint into past histories and awe inspiring moments! Thank you for all the work that went into this!
Dude your videos are so fucking good. Excellent writing and pacing, sick editing and interesting topics, who tf could go wrong???
Great production quality!
Good video
How about a video about the curious case of lui$ game 5 clutches
🤔🤔 Hmm.....
This is all so good, and the editing is great throughout - but holy shit, that visual starting at 11:11 is so fucking cool.
Trying the explain the history of pro Melee for the past 10 years to a friend who doesnt follow it at all is impossible. These videos are the only hope to preserve these incredible storylines. Thank you!
23:39 important context for ken at mlg DC 2005, he lost to neo in roy dittos in winners, keep that in mind.
how does mango have that mentality that allows him not to crumble in the most tense moments like what the fuckkk howwww
This video is fantastic. The illustrated animations of the bracket characters, and the extremely concise graphical visuals really make it a fantastic presentation. Well made PGStats
Up next: Mother’s Day Mang0
Since I view Mew2King as, like, the quintessential winner's bracket player, it'd be interesting to examine his success in general placement depending on whether he came from winner's or loser's- I do think that we consider him to be a dominant winner's bracket player because he made a lot of upsets, played some of his most memorable sets and maintained his image as an intimidating opponent from winner's side... even if he may have finished 2nd or 3rd or whatever.
This is a really entertaining and well edited video. Good job man
Walt is gonna revitalize this channel
REALLY cool video. Our community has so many tools that I feel aren't taken full advantage of--super great to see you in the lab with this stuff
he's the best losers player because he does it with falco, the most gimpable character, and he does it in style
"That's why he's the goat. THE GOAT!!"
the animation for POUND 3 is awesome
Would love to see data on number of games played across losers runs too -- anecdotally it feels like Mang0 often deals with 5-game losers sets over and over again to get back to grand finals, and it's part of what makes his runs feel so satisfying
a stat that would be really cool to note is how many majors has mang0 made it to grand finals winners side and lost compared to a win from winners.
Gotta give respect to both Mang0 and the smash community but I don’t know if there’s anything more hype in all of sports or esports than Mang0 going ballistic, the way crowds will just explode after a normal win and the way he actually executes whenever he’s not hammered or sandbagging is just beautiful
he got the goat in his name for a reason
He's not the greatest losers player of all time. He is simply the greatest Melee player of all time, period
Melee is sick af
Fucking sick video god damn, insane some people can pump out melee content with this much quality. Fucking love melee man
awesome documentary
The pound 3 jiggly puff animation is really cool.
Another certified Tisch banger.
Graphic Design FeelsGoodMan
This is great content. Appreciate the work put into this
I want that big house 9 video.
Welp this is gonna blow up
I loved that Unix got some recognition too! Great video
I think another curious feature of Mango losers runs is the feeling that he has to play a ton of games he has to play, I'm curious how each of those loser's runs stacks up in terms of games played instead of sets played
when talking about mango losers runs vs hbox losers runs and why we remember mangos more, its because people want to see mango win more than hbox, generally speaking. they get more hyped for mango
Great video
Love the ukg track selection
Love those videos
ty
18:19 kage LMFAO that was my favorite clip it was too funny
Why is it always the channels with a low amount of subs that make the best content
because we don't plan on having a low amount of subs for long :)
15:24 i thought PC only had 4 major wins, (2 from winners, 2 from losers?)
Writer here - you're totally right, my bad. I think I just messed up since the data displays similarly in the graphing system we used. Thanks for noticing, hope you still enjoyed the video!
@@Epengu no big deal epengu :D
15:52 fun fact, both of those resets are from armada (KOC4, TBH6)
Wicked video!
yum
THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT
I'm hype
Man Crunch is the real hero of this story. Damn.
Or villain I suppose if you're an Hbox hater. Seems like they have a great friendship, is all I'm sayin.
Hbox fell off🥱
the only reason mang0 lost to hbox at Evo 2015 is because he used the plup tag (the real goat)
22:04 look at hboxs demeanour during what is literally the most stressful situation any pro smasher could be in. Dudes literally laughing to himself after hitting the smash di on the up air that would of cost him a major.
What a fucking psycho.
Except for my losers runs in Ultimate but my seed is so bad I have to start in LR1 and almost impossible to make it out of pools
While of Unsound Mind
5:53 the pics of each player 😂😂
I really want to see one of these written by walt
What a great video!
OK that animation was amazing. 11:15
good vid.
m2k stats are nuts 50% from either winner or losers
My mans naturally said indubitably
What if we relegalize wobbling but the person being wobbled can pause to throw off the ices timing (if they quit, it's counted as a loss, pausing more than 4 seconds in a single pause is counted as a quit).
Thats without considering the losers run Mang0 got second place. Tourneys such as Genesis 2 , 3 and 4, The recent summit 12, etc
#ThatsMyGoat
#NotMyGoat
Yo this was super rad
this is dope
19:35
Crunch GIGACHAD
You guys just keep changing the rules to make your point
More like they just showed a bunch of different data sets to silence potential "b-but your data is skewed and cherry picked!!!" comments, some of which I'm sure you'd have left had they not done that.
Great video but I would’ve liked to see losers runs that result in a grands appearance or even top 3.
mangoBB
I am glad I am not that kid!!
POUND 3
he sounds like fextralife? are you his son?
and now evo 2022 doesnt have smash ;(
mangoFan
What about MKLeo do his Data