Chevy 3500 6.6L Duramax Diesel (L5P) MAX TOWING Test **Heavy Mechanic Review**
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- I review this 2023 Chevy 3500 HD 6.6L Duramax Diesel (L5P) for a MAX TOWING Test. I load 20,000lbs on concrete behind this Chevy 3500 pick up truck and run it down the highway over the Appalachian Mountains to see if this Duramax Diesel has enough power to tow this heavy trailer.
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This weekend I had the pleasure of testing this brand new 2023 Chevy 3500 HD Duramax Diesel engine and strapping its max towing capacity behind it and seeing how this Duramax handles the heavy load. r
I go over the engine specs like how this Duramax engine makes 445HP and 910 pound feet of torque which is wild.
Next I talk about the different towing specs for the 3500 platform. technically the 3500's are rated for 36,000lbs but that is only a specific configuration of truck. the truck I had had a MAX towing ability of 20,000lbs and so I loaded up 20,000lbs of concrete on my trailer and towed it down the highway
I was surprised how easily this diesel engine towed the weight once it got to cruising speed. it just goes to show how well these diesel engines are towing heavy stuff.
went going down hills I got to see the Chevy exhaust brake working very well as well as the engine downshifting to slow the truck down. I didn't have to hit the brakes once.
on the way up the big slopes this Duramax had plenty of power to keep up cruising speed. in fact we didn't lose any speed at all. the truck worked very well and there is plenty of power out of this Duramax diesel engine when towing a heavy trailer.
Overall I was very impressed how easily this Duramax diesel towed it's max trailer weight on some pretty steep hills.
I can't wait to get other trucks and engine on the same route to compare them to the Duramax!
As a mechanic myself (retired) your channel is rapidly becoming my favorite. You are going to give TFL a run for the money.
I own that truck a 2021 3500 L5P and tow a 12,000 pound fifth wheel RV with it.
Thanks again for what you do. It is nice to have an actual mechanic doing these reviews unlike TFL where Andre and Roman pointed to the rack and pinion steering on a Dodge 1/2 ton truck and said here is the four wheel drive. None of that BS here.
Thanks much.
Thank you Jim! Means alot. I still get lots of stuff wrong but I feel like I can tell a rack and pinion from a front Diff lol I imagine your 3500 pulls that camper without an issue. I was happily surprised how well the L5P performed, I honestly thought it would bog down a lot more then it did.
@@TheGettyAdventures One thing to keep in mind is that in theory lets say a tall fifth wheel holiday trailer for example is going to pull a fair bit harder for the same given weight as your loaded trailer simply because of wind resistance. That difference would become more and more prominent as one drives faster or if there is a head wind. Of course with this loaded flat deck trailer it will show how well each truck you test does against its rivals with this same style of load and wind resistance.
Sounds like you get may get things wrong as well, was it a half ton Dodge truck or was it a 4th/5th Gen Ram ( Chrysler built ) truck ? You know, the 4/5 th Gen that Dodge has nothing to do with them.
TFL is playboy of truck content, GA is Penthouse.
I’m in my late 50’s. Like many others , I grew up on a large cattle and sheep ranch. I started driving when I was about 10, my dad said I’ll have you driving as soon as you can reach the brakes, clutch and drive safely on our property. We had about 13000 acres in the Sacramento mountain of New Mexico. Anyway we had pickup trucks still operating: 1946 Ford 1.25 ton with flat head V-8, a Dodge 3/4 from 1963, a 1965 Chevy 1/2 ton, a 1968 Ford F-250, a 1979 Ford F-350 crew cab and a 1983 Ford F-150. I left for the Navy in 88 and ended up with my own construction company in Ohio (long story).
Anyway every rancher and farmer in the 1930’s -1980’s absolutely ignored the “max towing” certification of the pickups they owned. My Dad always added lead spring overload kits to our 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks. We pulled 2, 4, 6 horse conventional trailers. All our pickups had “side boards”. For those of you not familiar side boards were just steel panels with a swing gate that made the bed of the pickup capable of carrying two grown horses.
I’ve pulled the 3/4 ton single rear wheel pickup with two horses on the trailer and 4 full size bulls or 6 full size cows on the trailer. Figure on the side boards weighing 300 lbs + 2000 lbs for horses in the pickup bed + 4000 lbs for the steel 6 horse trailer, + 4 bulls weigh in at (1800x4= 7200). This made the total load be approx 14,000 -15,000 lbs. Now, there would be additional weight in the truck. 2 saddles, and gear 150 lbs, the fuel tanks (2x20 gallons = 250lbs) and then our sideboard had two 45 gallon propane tanks running horizontally at (90x 4.25= 382 lbs) and then two adult cowboys at 350 lbs. basically often carried near 15,000, 16,000 lbs…….
These trucks did what we asked. But if we compare today’s pickups…… truly the differences are almost unbelievable! I’ve pulled 15000 lbs with a 2013 F-150. The pickup had more pawed a brakes than the 1979 F-350! The reason I’d never pull that load on the highway with out 1/2 ton is liability. Can the 1/2 ton with airbags pull 15,000lbs safely? Well, yes I can argue that the current F-150 with 3.5 or 2.7 ecoboost with air bags and a properly loaded trailer would pull the trailer far far safer than the 1979, or any 3/4-1-ton pickup made before the mid 1990s.
But we live in a litigious society. If I were in an accident overloaded by “regulation”, it really doesn’t matter if I was not at fault, the lawyers would have a field day.
Best truck channel on RUclips!
Thank you sir!
By far
Thanks for the honest review. After 20 years as a Cummins fan/owner, Ram's outrageous pricing and my dislike of the clunkiness of the Aisin in my '19 Ram, I have a '24 Duramax on order. Keep up the good work.
I used To pull 15,600 with my 2006 Chev 2500 Duramax with no problems. The 2023 2500 LT Duramax has many more improvements since then and I can’t wait to get mine soon !
Long time Duramax owner here. 20 years 4 trucks. I put over 300K on each one before selling. I currently have an 08 LMM 2500HD that I am sinking a lot of money into instead of buying a new 95K truck. Currently has 430K on the odometer but I had the engine built two months ago and upgraded to hold 1000hp. Transmission as well. I will never tune it past 600hp though. I prefer reliability over speed or gear crunching. Transfer case is new. (last year) The rear differential may be my next upgrade. I tow up to 13,000 a few times a month for business but mostly I tow in the 6,000 lb range with a slide in camper on the back. (motel room) So at 17,000lb. gross I get around 12 MPG at 70 MPH unless I have head winds hitting the high profile camper and trailer. The best upgrade was installing a 52 gallon Titan poly fuel tank under it. I hate stopping for fuel !
I own a 2015 MLM in a DRW configuration and tow a 18,000 5th wheel toy hauler with no problem. My rig has 230K with original CP4 pump and no issues I am glad to report 🤞🏼
You deserve so many more subscribers for this effort. This is exactly what I'm looking for when I search for towing performance.
As a trucker you should put the blocks tight together in the centre with no space in them. If you get a wobble happening they can move they way you have them. Or place blocks between so they cant move inward towards each other. Be safe out there, great review. Love my L5P.
Alex, I think your channel is quickly becoming my new favorite truck channel on RUclips! Great work!!
One thing maybe worth mentioning, is that in 2023 (for 2024 model year) GM updated their HD trucks including the Duramax, with improved hp and torque numbers, supposedly stronger internals, a new turbo and supposedly a much stronger exhaust brake, and higher towing numbers. It'd be fun hearing you talk about the updated engine and your take on that, as well as maybe at some point testing the new updated L5P with a heavier load.
I also love that you tested the towing with the cruise control on! I have no doubt that the Cummins exhaust brake is still stronger, but I'm curious to see how the updated one does in the Duramax, since people have said that the current Duramax's exhuast brake is completely useless.
Again -great work!!!
I will agree the exhaust brake could really only be felt at like 2500 RPM. the cummins exhaust brake can be felt much harder forsure!
I am excited to review the 2024 Duramax it seems like the GM felt they needed more power and I can't blame them with ford droping like 1200 lb-ft of torque out of the powerstroke.
I have a ‘24 Sierra 3500 with the Duramax, love the truck so far. She’s earning her keep here in Alaska, trucks don’t stay “new” for long here. Love your channel, appreciate you taking the time to make such great content.
Do you folks do the Krown undercoating up there? Ive seen 2020 gmcs here in the northeast completely rusted out.
I love my 2021 HC 3500. 8’ box is the way to go. Awesome channel!
Alex, great video, looking forward to the other towing reviews! One note on the "towing gear", that doesn't make sense in 8 and 10 speed transmissions. Instead of pulling that large hill in (say) 6th gear you'd be towing it at the same RPMs in 7th with a "towing gear". Rear axle gear ratio means nothing by itself, the final gear ratios available is what matters. A deeper rear axle ratio just means you can start from a dead stop a little easier, but once you're moving the transmission does all the work so it's completely pointless to have a deeper rear axle ratio. These aren't are grand dads 3 speeds anymore where you only have 3 final gear ratios to choose from and they all need to be low.
Agreed John! I think having the 10 speed allows for lowers gearings but I guess my point would be for someone who was really towing heavy or planning on it. having 3.73 gears on top of the 10 speed would just add even more pull in comparison to a 10 speed with 3.42's. Either way GM probably has much smaller people working on these drivelines then me so I assume they know exactly what they are doing!
Agree.
Amazing video as always! Love watching you put these trucks through their paces and all the information that you give as well! Definitely agree with others that it’s the best truck channel on RUclips! Keep it up !!
Thank you Ryan! Always with the kind words
I agree that undersquare is better for a few reasons but in terms of making torque its actually not as simple as longer stroke = more leverage. The other equation to keep in mind is wider bore = more force on the lever. You need both force and leverage to make torque so in theory, engines of the same size, one slightly over and one slightly under square should make similar torque.
Undersquare does however improve the thermal efficiency of the engine since the area available for heat rejection near TDC is reduced. Worth mentioning though that a larger bore can fit larger intake/exhaust area and that has some efficiency (more so power making) benefits as well. There are all kinds of tradeoffs. Off course rod/stroke length can affect the side load on the piston as well as the piston max velocity and dwell time at TDC.
Well, that was a mouth full. 😁
I really appreciate your effort on these video’s,hope its paying off.
Well I really like being able to play around with all these trucks so its a win win. But thank you Colbie!
I love summit White in chevy....had 2 of those and should have kept my last one....I also like 18" wheel pkg they come with on LT.....
I am in a black 23 2500HD now and while I love the truck that Summit White is the best looking.....especially for working.....clean truck man!
Love the channel. You should do the same test with the ford 7.3 . Curious to see how that long stroke gas engine does pulling max weight.
Thank you for explaining the difference with the towing weight capacity.
Great job. Keep the towing videos coming. That’s what trucks are all about.
Your really testing these trucks we like that. The powerwagon looks great
Thats the plan!! Hoping to really dial these towing videos in. But shocked how well the PW towed that weight
That trailer is gonna be a game changer.
I’d like to see a head-to-head comparison of the Duramax and the power stroke I just bought my first Silverado 3500 Duramax
Great informational video brother. Thank you
I am liking these tests and also getting your perspective.
Thank you sir!
You should do a max towing test on the 6.6 gasser.
A tall RV test would be nice. The frontal area of an RV makes a big difference.
I like this channel better than TFL. They talk too much about useless junk, are too biased, and aren't mechanics. Great job.
Great video as always, I'm excited to see the rest of the trucks hauling !!!!
Hi Alex.
You are incredible; you work unbeatable at real world.
CONGRATULATIONS ALEX!
Thank's to God I came to your channel; day by day my favorite.
Big hug from CDMX, México.
Thank you Gerardo, Appreciate the kind words!
Love the towing videos! Thx for doing these.
Love the videos. Can't wait for you to get the GM 6.6 gasser w/the 10 speed and see how she does. Will be interested to hear your thoughts on that truck too vs. the one you reviewed with the 6 speed.
But lets be honest, that load ain't nothin' compared to that CAT you had on the trailer introduction video....
Brian that cat dump truck I had was a HEAVY load lol. and yes the 10 speed 6.6L is something I'm really looking forward too!
would love to see a towing review with the 3.0 duramax but anyways love ur vids!!
how many liters is this truck in this video ? why didn't he mention the size of this engine ?
Its on the do list foresure!
@@kylebutler7142 6.6L L5P Duramax (As the title mentioned ha)
@@GenericRushHD oooh methinks the original title didn't have that detail...it's been edited...
You talk about the rear end gearing not being a 'towing gear' but clearly the truck drags stuff around just fine. It doesn't need 3.73s or 4.10s because it makes good power across the rpm range. My 06 with 3.73s and the 6spd was great. Cruised on the highway and pulled whatever behind me
Ben Hardy made a comment on a recent video of his I absolutely agree with “Anything over 800lb. ft. of torque in a pickup truck is overkill.”
Your content is second to none. Keep up the fantastic work👍
Thanks Franky! Hoping to keep it coming
Hey Alex, nice vid but based on your math when you were pointing out the weights of all six blocks at time frame 27:20, you were at 20,300 pounds but you said 19,800 so technically, you were over the max but it just goes to show that these Duramax beast can handle just about anything thrown at them. And the scale weight put you under the Dmax's max tow weight of 20k pounds.
Great video man!
Ram power wagon can’t really handle
That weight well . The Chev 3500 is a beast !
she was lugged down pretty good but she did it! and yes the Duramax blew the 6.4 hemi out of the water, but that should be expected lol
Great video! TFL has a competitor on RUclips now.
Did you forget to put it in tow/haul mode? I couldn't see the light on the dashboard.
Haha we have a LONG way to go to compete with TFL. But thank you! So when I was editing this video I thought the same thint I could of swore I was in tow/haul
I love Duramax
Geny makes a pintle hitch that is adjustable and good for over 20k
I got so nervous because when you tested the straps you didn't comment and say this ain't going nowhere lol
I just traded my 2017 SRW 3500 and bought a 2023 GMC Denali 3500 DRW for towing my 15k fifth wheel. Did you happen to scale front and rear axles of your truck before hooking up to the trailer? It seems like your front end was a bit light. On my 17 I had a ranch hand bumper and a 18k winch and my front axle was always 5600 lbs and with my 5er hooked up my rear axle weight was between 7000 and 7500 which is why I went to a dually. On my 2023 my front end is right at 5200 empty and the rear about 3800 with me in the truck. I would really like to see someone test the L5P with a Banks Derringer and I dash, oh and yes my truck has them and I like the extra 80 hp and 144 trq at the rear wheels.
No issues because it’s a Duramax
Great video as always
I would love to see comparison with ram 3500 Dooley if possible For the power stroke I would say take your time 🥱
Awesome towing review! I would suggest bringing up some of the non engine shortcomings.
I love the duramax, however the front end is made of glass and needs to be rebuilt every 75-150k miles. This is a 3k dollar expenditure that the competitors do not have.
I was thinking the same thing as I was editing this video. Talk more about pros vs cons in terms of total truck when it comes to towing.
@@TheGettyAdventures If people would use a grease gun the front end would last a lot longer. I had a 2017 Chevy 3500 L5P with almost 280,000 miles on it when I sold it. Everything was still good. Yes I used it for towing a 25 ft gooseneck trailer all those miles.
Really appreciate the content. A frequent comment about diesel vs gasser is diesel is best in a specific segment of users - mostly 3/4 tons. Would that change when getting into 1 tons? Thinking about things like ho Cummins.
Just traded my 6.6 gasser in on a truck just like that. Can't wait to stretch its legs.
I wish the exhaust brake worked like the Cummins but I won’t trade that Allison for that 68re or aisin for nothing
Great content!
Thank you sir!
Does that setup require a CDL in Canada?
Damn that duramax sounds good.
Surprising how quiet that truck was pulling 20k uphill. Just a slight purr. I have the same 2022 truck but I only pull about 12k.
I'm not expert on gearing, but I don't see how having 3.42 gears would ever be a bad thing when you have so many gears to choose from and also considering the fact that these trucks make peak torque so low in the rev-range. With 3.42 gears you get better fuel economy while towing at highway speeds and if more power is ever needed while towing the truck simply downshifts. The 10-speed gearbox seems to provide a lot of flexibility insofar as towing and fuel economy is concerned.
How do you get yourself into this types of jobs I live in Texas [I mean hauling with a truck]
Did I see a shoe with a bit of leg in one of those blocks ?
you saw nothing.
Is this the same trailer you intend on using with 1/2 ton trucks? Another great video!
Hoping too yes. I'll be replacing the pintle with a normal 2 5/16 tongue because the 1/2 require weight distributing hitches at their max weights.
So according to the scale that was about 2k lbs. of tongue weight. Not too much squat for that much weight. GM makes great rear springs.
Let’s go Chevy
Are you becoming a reluctant Duramax fan?
It's more about turbos than diesels...gassers aren't unhappy they are different animals , higher rpm is in there dna .
Can you explain how you only figured the truck had 2k lbs tongue weight / 10% of apprx 20k towing weight if the trailer was pitched forward like it was? Wasnt that indicative of more like 15 percent or maybe even more? Love your channel thanks!..J
What kind of elevation are you testing at? Makes a huge difference for naturally aspirated gas engines
The way u secured your load... dont you have any regulations about how to secure your load in Canada?
Our 2020 l5p dually did gvrw of 53,000 pounds of loaded shipping container across the country just fine even tho only rated for 30k max if it's a std cab 2wd configuration witch it's not, crew cab 4x4 it is. Only stupid thing is sealed transmission fluid system with no dipstick. Guess today's truck owns can't be trusted with not dropping contamination into the dip stick
What’s your thoughts on the high RPM while going down hills. I’m always kind of worried when mine does that. Are they ment to handle it?
What's the difference between 2022-2023 L5P
Can someone tell me of the big 3 who builds the best emissions system? I feel all the engines and trucks are fine, all the problems seem to be emissions?
you are not wrong Cliff, the emission issues are what seem to be killing these Diesels. I know this videos was about the Duramax but they seem to have the least amount of emission issues. Granted it very much depends on how you maintain and drive the trucks as well.
The EPA doesn't want better fuel economy.
Banks has a good video where he tears down a 22 and23 duramax interesting.
How you rate the duramax in towing things
don't the Super Duty HD Fords have many options for final drive (differential) ratios? the mpg was a little high considering the 3.42 rear end
Ya they have a few options! And ya exactly I thought that was pretty high fuel economy!
Did you used the towing mode
Someone has got to help me! Because Dodge dealers can not! I have a 2017 Ram 3500 dually with a Cummins, crew cab and 4x4 eight foot bed. Not HO engine and not the Aisin transmission. The door jamb sticker says GVWR is 14000 lbs. Does anyone know where or how I can find the 5th wheel towing capacity for this truck? The local dealer said that the truck is 3 years old and cannot find the numbers. 😠
16,660 to 21,660 depending on your axle ratio. Find a new dealer and Google "2017 ram 3500 towing chart".
Seems like GM has priced their diesel trucks about 10k below the Ford and Ram diesel trucks here in th US.
With 225lbft of torque less than the ford that makes sense.
@@freedomisntfree_44I will be towing and I'm not paying 10k for an extra 225ft lbs.
@@bunsguns8222 cool story 👍 gm trucks have been worth a damn on the farm.
Not to rack on you but that load securement at the beginning was not enough. At least by BC standards and the blocks should be touching the middle or blocking in between
@Aitch The blocks will migrate towards each other and the straps will loosen up.
I am really stuck on if I want to go diesel or gas! We only tow about 10-15 times a year with our camper. But eventually 5-10 years from now it will be much more. Do you think diesel is worth it in this case?
I am only one voice but I did spend my working career as a mechanic. I know you want Getty's opinion but I will also offer mine. If you are going to "short trip the truck", 1-10 miles for commuting or grocery stores etc. then stick with gas. The modern diesels need to work in order to keep the emission components clean and working properly. When you start towing more often and working the truck like it was designed for, then go diesel. The $10 to 12 k more you spend for the diesel will pay back at resale time.
@@jimm2442 thank you! Really appreciate the advice!
@@jimm2442 Do you know if at that point it is worth getting a DRW? My wife is not comfortable with towing still. I was thinking that might get her to finally give it a shot
Hi Jordan. Jim is completely correct. In terms of strictly towing the Diesel is a much better option, but in terms of actually owning an HD truck for years if you are not going to be driving the diesel 20-30 miles a day at least you'll likely end up with emission related issues which are NOT cheap to fix. The Gas trucks although not as powerful and will not tow as well, do really get the job done just fine. Obviously if your camper is north of like 14,000lb then you may not have a choice but if you are under 12,000lbs a gas HD truck of any brand would tow that just fine.
@@TheGettyAdventures thanks for the reply! Does the same go for say the 3.0 duramax? We are looking at possibly a suburban for now
do pick ups with diesel engines require def or they exempt since they are labeled as "light duty"?
Don't know about Canada. In 2008, the US EPA "mandated" Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) for all diesel trucks 3/4 ton or larger. DEF is used in selective catalytic reduction (SRC) systems to reduce the pollutants in diesel exhaust. I believe that it was required in 2010.
@@carlwright6889 DPF’s we’re mandated for 2008, not DEF. DEF didn’t hit the scene until 2011 I believe.
Every on road Diesel engine is required DEF starting with 2012 models.. Unfortunately lol
I love diesels , really do…..but the all the emissions stuff stops me from buying one !
Can't blame you they are truly killing any reliability on any modern diesel.
That’s a lot of weight.
Is the duramax still in third place in your book?
Ford 6.7 Powerstroke HO is king. Then Cummins then Duramax.
@@kylebutler7142 The CP4 is the deal killer on the Ford as it is a ticking time bomb.
@@jimm2442 The Bosch CP4 pump is a high-pressure fuel pump, or injection pump, that debuted in 2011 in the Ford Powerstroke and GM Duramax engines.
@@kylebutler7142 yes but both GM and Ram has moved away from the CP4. GM went to a Denso pump in 2017 and Ram went back to a CP3 in i think 2021. There are huge lawsuits regarding the CP4, and it keeps grenading in Fords as we speak. Supposedly Ford literally can't move to another pump, because the current 6.7 Powerstroke was designed for the CP4 and another pump won't fit... from what I've heard. So in my book that just cancels out the Ford - I wouldn't even consider buying one.
@@ohaggdah Actually there is a replacement pump for the CP4 on the ford 6.7, I believe its on the market now although I imagine the demand for it will be insane, its a pump design that Stanadyne I believe has had out for years in other applications and S&S Diesel Performance is collaborating together and have kits out to replace that CP4. They made the announcement perhaps a month ago that it was about to hit the market as they have been working on it for some time. I have no idea what the price tag would be but if it all pans out well there is that option of making the ford more reliable. My understanding is that the ford using the CP4 was far better than the prior Duramax that used the same pump as GM had no electric assist pump like the Ford does, so the GM had some major issues for sure.
You should learn how to do proper load Securement the way you have that tied down You might as well not have nothing at all. Other than that I like your videos
Probably was not by the book but she didn't move. Ill have to look into that for next time. Thank you!
@@TheGettyAdventures all you need to do is put the blocks together that you don't have a gap side to side because going down the road and bouncing they'll move together and loosen the straps
Seems like semis are going down the road with spaced out loads strapped the same way every day?
Pretty dissapointed to see it can only do 20k in a SRW 1 Ton diesel given the new F250s can tow 22,000lbs with a 6.8 base gas motor.
Eye byy, looking fer a local Canadian company that make them minty flags 3:36
Its not a Chevrolet.. Its a Ram truck
Too much repeat of info, not fair to compare a Gm 3500 to a Ford F-250
That’s great. It can tow 20,000 lbs of concrete. But how about 20,000 lbs of something like steel?
Or what about 20,000 pounds of feathers?
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