I love the respect you keep putting on Nightwing, a lot of people don’t know that Nightwing is listed as on of the top ten best hand to hand combat in DC
Yeah because DC doesn’t do the character justice. The toughest we’ve ever seen Dick was in Teen Titans, and that version of the character was a Dick, Jason, Tim hybrid.
Ngl man, u fr had me in the beginning with the Harley Quinn pick😂😂😂 I literally had to step away and have a mini-crashout episode at how completely and utterly ridiculous it was lol🤣🤣🤣
WHAT ???? what do you mean batman isnt an unstoppable human being who can destroy anyone ? Nah fr tho I love when batman gets beat by other characters, bc that shows he is a human, and it shoes he never give up.
I agree some of the best stories are about Batman over coming the odds as a man among gods. Sadly a lot of writers and fans like to make him a Jack of all trades and a master of all. Last Batman comic I picked up had him falling from outer space in his normal Batsuit only to walk it off and hack emotion into a terminator that was beating on Superman a terminator Batman's subconscious built. At this point Batman is just a demi god who by simply existing causes reality to change in his favor.
Yeah when he gets by enhanced people and not other normal humans because that doesn't make any sense he is the best fighter on the planet as a normal human
@@danielendless The most unbelievable part of that story is how any of the bat family end up agreeing with Catwoman But Cass specifically has just as much conviction as Bruce She wouldn't have went to fight him
@@rabootfanboysam5068 I mean yeah she get Bruce She gets his guilt she gets why he fights It also help she can see how he truly feel about all of them Bruce has a hard time expressing his emotion For Cass that no problem since she can see it no words need it I need more of they're dynamic maybe for arc 2 of her new comic series
@@painvillegaming4119Ain't no way Batman considers Harley as family even if he believes in redemption I don't think Joker would EVER be near the Batfamily in a friendly way non the less Harley
@@painvillegaming4119Before you come with "Joker manipulated and beat her" he did do those things but she continued to commit terrible terrible things with him and she's the one that fell for Joker first and falling for someone who has had a reputation of bad things is a huge red flag
11:20 100%agree i hate the " the winner is the one who's writing it" we know it's true to a certain degree but when matching up characters through potential, feats, hacks is what needed to be addressed. It's about consistency
@@Achieme I love stan but you shouldn't have a random bozo pull up and slap around Thor that just bad writing If it characters in equal footing like hulk or Thor yeah at that point it depends on the story you wanna tell
@painvillegaming4119 exactly because if DC were to declare Harley or Joker being masters of martial arts and able to beat Batman or Lady shiva fans would be calling BS. When fans pull the Goku vs Superman everyone who aren't bias would say superman because of stats and there's no argument against that
@@Achieme Don't know why you're bringing up different story matchups on a video about a very specific iteration of the DCU, post Infinite Frontier Comic books only, no pre flashpoint, no Absolute, but sure Goku, if you aren't bias, there's no argument. Like what, so like Post Infinite Frontier Superman only, versus The Monkey King who is trapped in the Phantom Zone? Is that what you mean? You're definitely not referencing the Dragon Ball character in this context. Like, Infinite Frontier Superman beats Dragon Ball Daima Goku, no argument if you're not bias. Must be that guy stuck in the Phantom Zone.
@insupportofjunhado I'm simply referring to main line, if I were to say who would win Flash vs Quicksilver I'm not talking about the movies, video games or alt universe. Just the mainline comics. If I wanted to be specific. I would said who'd win Fox Quicksilver or DCEU flash
My heart literally froze in place when you mentioned Harley Quinn lmao Nah but seriously Nightwing deserves more respect, he’s definitely on Batman’s level, the only reason why he hasn’t properly surpassed him is because progression doesn’t exist in comics and I’m positive if Lady Shiva was created today she’d be called “woke”
@@RyomenAyeni225sadly yeah tho if annoying when they create a flawless character that is the bestest ever But people need to recognize when a character is good and when they're badly writing Shiva is a great character
@ I agree but it doesn’t make a difference to some, I’m convinced by the the way the world is rn that she’d be called woke regardless But yeah, writing matters
Some people underestimate Nightwing due to how he can be portrayed in media outside of comics (and in comics as well sometimes), but his skills and abilities are absolutely nothing to sneeze at. He most definitely has a good shot at beating Batman in a fight.
Just a fun fact that I thought about being a avid comic reader but Nightwing has DEFINITELY defeated Batman a lot in recent years now that DC Management has finally decided to push him as one of the pillars of DC. There’s at least handful I can think of just this year alone where they fought and Nightwing either won outright or is winning before the plot demands the fight stopped
Another fighter than can likely beat Batman is Green Arrow (Conner). Batman himself said Conner was second to only lady shiva (this was before Cass debut and Richard Dragon returned)
Connor was fighting relative to a weakened damian wayne same damian who thought that even with having the powers of eclipso in his hands would still not beat batman
Okay, you got me in the 1st choice, not going to lie. Especially when you referenced "Heroes in Crisis" as evidence. All the other choices *chef's kiss*
@@painvillegaming4119I think he made a comment about her being in the Brave and the Bold (delayed) along with oyher batfamily members because comic fans haven't had the luxury of seeing them in movies/live action.
Jason honestly should be the gadget guy of the Robins not Tim imo. Dive into the realm of Jason being scrappy and very versatile/jack-of-all-trades That doesn’t mean I think Jason shouldn’t be hyper skilled in combat though, he should just mix gadgets in heavily. Jason has been trained by the best of the best he should reasonably be up there, but DC hates him
It's dependent on who the writer wants to win. Lazy. Maybe. But true. Once I found out Squirrel girl was one of the most powerful marvel characters, I stopped caring about who could beat who.
That Harley Quinn Section gave me a small heartattack I remember in the comic where Wally West became a murderer, Superman says that her martial arts are on par with Bruce ... for some reason Now Clark's my goat but that shit was not it, Bottom 10 Superman moments of all time
Im glad you mentioned Nightwing the way they be depicting him in these animated movies is a crime. And to me it makes sense hes Bruce's best student and protege with his own unique twist on combat due to his agility and acrobatic skills, he should give Bruce a run for his money. Pls make a part 2 I'd like to hear what other characters youd put on this list. For me I'd include Black Canary and Bronze Tiger as well
Let’s be honest nobody is gonna beat Batman IF he hopped on some of banes juice. Oh the criminals in Gotham think they know fear imagine a Batman the size of bane THAT WOULD BE FEAR! “But that’s just a theory a bat theory”
I don't consider Deathstroke to a great fighter because his dangerous factor tends to Supersteroids + Near impossible to destroy armor + Gun/Sword + some hand to hand combat skil. Deathstroke isn't a God of Combat. He is a guy that does well in several areas but wouldn't say he is the best or top 5.(He also doesn't many martial arts combats for people in comics.)
@@pocus2740 Canary Cry is just a sonic attack that grants immunity to Sonic Hypnosis and sometimes she can glide with it. It doesn't give her a edge to the fight. And she isn't Black Bolt, where every sound is a sonic bomb. Also did you know that First Birds of Prey she used her Canary Cry less than 10 times. Even when she got her Canary Cry back with Lazarus Pit.
@@ghostrouxinol6169that’s not all the canary cry is it definitely would give her a significant advantage bc she can use it as a attack which can be very destructive, we know it can destroy structures pretty easily if she wants to use it in that way and also she could definitely destroy your ear drums if she wants lol
I think ever since Dick tanked a point blank bomb and then proceeded to beat Deathstroke 1v1 no gadgets just hands...he's arguably better than Batman. Not saying for sure but there is a conversation to be had at least.
The problem with fights in comics is that the fights depends on the plot, Batman have lost in fist fight agains't the Riddler and even Harley, like, sometimes he beat Shiva, Cassandra and Deathstroke, them in the other, he is beat up by Punchline, is juts like Superman, being evenly matched with Doomsday and Darkseid, but then being beat up by Grundy, the same Grundy who is beat up by members of the batfamily, the dude in recent comics even beat up Donna Troy, he dind't win the fight, but made her bleed and have a hard time, comics have a hard time in power scaling their heroes, because if they are too strong the story ends quickly, but if they nerf them too hard, we have things like Batman losing agains't Punchline.
I will argue it be Cassandra Cain. Batman aka Bruce Wayne he said if she stop holding back that their wouldn't be alot people who could stand toe to toe with her.
Tbh I don't think many people want to watch Batman just lose. They want to see him lose, learn from it, and then grow to beat the opponent later on. Batman can beat anyone for the sake of the story, not for Stan Lee's reasoning but because otherwise people wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much. It's simply catering to the desires of the readers.
@@painvillegaming4119 I don't mind. For example, the hero ranking in One Punch Man. I like it. There are some things that exceed some heroes and they will never stand a chance. You got a S-level villain? Better get a S-level hero.
*Batman becomes evil and the only ones who can stop him are the Robins* Grayson:I can defeat him in a fight Tim:I can use my mind to defeat him. Jason:I can use my gun. *•••* Grayson:Uhg, for the love of god Jason:What? We have to stop him, I am just using the fast way! Grayson:You just, uhg, he, you, ahg, he can dodge a bullet, what you gonna when he dodges the bullet? Jason:Well am, if that doesn’t, Im gonna use… 2 GUNS!, and if that doesn’t work either well, use more guns until one hits him I don’t know. Grayson: …Sometimes I, I hate you. Jason:Yeah me too.
Nice video Shiva Cass Dickie And like you said in an all out serious fight just martial arts Cassie and Shiva wins 7 out of 10 times Dick wins 4 or 5 currently Ghostmaker is a no for for two reasons 1. Even though bruce said they're equals he also did say he hasn't beaten him since they turned 20 2. In the alternate universe where batman went after the failsafe arc there was a ghostmaker there amped by venom and had the same amount of training as prime Bruce and Ghostmaker but our bruce dogged him easily. Fun fact: thats where he lost his hand at first. But great video, sorry for ranting
You forgot Kyodai Ken, Batman’s old classmate. He beat him at everything, even when he came back as an an adult in the anomated series episode “Day of the Samurai”.
To be fair, Batman has already beat these characters. Batman knows every system of fighting. As good as these characters are, they simply don't compare to Batman at his best. TERRANCE OUT
@LegendaryOverfiend Batman has defeated Deathstroke before too. Mentioning that a character has been defeated, doesn't matter if it happens alot. TERRANCE OUT
@@worldsfinesteamup Yeah but he still wins more then he loses thats my point lol. I can beat my friend in a game 3 out of 10 times but that doesn't make me better thas all im saying
I think Cass is the best technical fighter. If one was limited to only martial arts and confined to a limited space she'd have the best odds. Nightwing is better than the others because his agility and optimized version of batmans teachings makes him the oddest opponent in this apex field of combat. I'd imagine even Cass couldn't dismantle him the way she does the better trained fighters because he'd be the oddest to predict.
Unfortunately DC hates our boy. He’s rarely/sparsely shown out in the years the same way he did in Under the Red Hood Bro was young as hell in UTRH forced Bruce to not hold back, and then ever since hasn’t grown beyond that really
I discovered your videos a few days ago, although I don't know much English (although I put subtitles) I think they are pretty good and you usually say exactly what I think about some things, it makes me feel good since none of my friends like comics, so thank you very much!
weight and strength in this video matters a lot tho, even if skills were equal, the bigger opponent wins. So if you're saying Lady Shiva kicks Batman's ass, it means her skills must be way beyond Batman in order to overwhelm his strength advantage
I still think that he would wreck anybody on this list when he fights how he likes, by using gadgets, trickery, and deception. Whats Lady Shiva gonna do when she gets backhanded across the face with an electric gaunlet
@LanceLee-dh5pc Saying that Lady Shiva's fight would be easy, it's the same as saying fighting Batman is an even easier fight. Sandra Wusan doesn't fight for fight. A fight means that one of them will die. Cassandra Cain and Batman likely have the same years of experience. Not to mention that while Batman was learning other fields, Cassandra was fully focus on combat and assassination. (Yes she won't kill anybody alike Batman.) But the fact she already skilled at young age and not in her peak of her prime like her mother, shows how skilled she is. I don't know about Ghost. But I can say that Nightwing is the closest in terms how Batman fights. Not just as combat but as combination of skills and tech support. But I think Dick can give Bruce a fight for his money. He is also the character that likely knows Bruce the best. Since it's likely that he knowing for 10-20 years and he fought a long side him for 5-10 years. I amn't saying this characters would have 100% win rate against him but it'snt 0.
His tech and gadgets aside a lot of people forgets a lot of stuff about bruce and doesn't mention it, first of all canonically bruce always holds back it's official by DC by the way, second bruce has learnt a lot of alien martial arts including klurkor kryptonian martial arts which he used to knockout supergirl in world's finest and all martial arts in slag galaxy in offworld series and recently he learnt all of damian's new moves in batman v robin lazarus event, dc just want to add tension so they have to show batman struggle against guys like shiva and cassandra otherwise it would be bloodbath, cause in zdarsky's run bruce almost soloed the entire batfamily while he was mentally unwell and said that he didn't teach them everything he knows which most likely means stuff like his alien martial arts and some other stuff which we don't know about.
Technically, I think Richard Dragon appeared in The Question Black Label book in 2020, but that's out of continuity. Still, I find it funny that some of Richard's most notable appearances outside his own book are when The Question or someone he likes need to be annoyed into character development lol
I agree with everything you said in the video, but if you’re gonna powerscale Batman ( or any comic book character for that matter) I feel like you have to include the older comics as well
I have bo problem with him staying in current continuity BUT he uses pre Infinite Frontier examples to prove his point. Its usually just a shield because folks who have read older books know that Batman wasn’t OP like hes been since the 90s.
@ me personally, I feel like he’s being a bit unfair towards Batman, also, if we’re gonna talk about recent books I think in a 2022 DC guidebook it said nightwing is second only to Batman
Writers definitely play a factor in that department. Nightwing is underrated amongst fans and even DC itself. The animated use mirroring New 52 was hard to watch when Nightwing kept being disrespected in fights lol.
Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Cheshire Connor Hawke, Cassie Cain, Katana, and, at least during Post Crisis, Black Canary are all SUPERIOR to Batman on purely skill level. But Batman has a utility belt. And he will use it to equalize things.
I was ready to give a very hateful comment when you started talking about Harley Quin. In all seriousness, I think both Ghost Maker and Nightwing are equals, or just a bit below batman, but in a fair fight I would give them each 40%-50% against Batman
IMO Batman should feel more like a strategic fighter than a skilled one. He learns 100+ fighting styles but isn’t a master of any of them, instead focusing on variety to counter different opponents. Maybe grappling is more effective against Killer Croc but boxing is better against Harley or something. He would be far from the strongest in each respective fighting style, with his strength coming from his ability to use them like any other of his tools. He should still be able to be over powered by more skilled opponents who have more experience in their style though.
Tiny correction but in Event Leviathan (2020) #3 Jason does end up beating both Batman and Robin (Damian) in a fair fight when both of them are trying to arrest him because they suspect he's Leviathan after going crazy because of Roy Harper's death in Heroes In Crisis. I'm not saying Jason would win over Bruce easily, he's done it thrice though (first fight in UTRH, the second one was where he lost and lured Bruce to the joker) and the second being in Rhato 2016 special and then Event Leviathan which was purely hand to hand. Pretty good list though!
Batman has already been beaten by WB, they've refused Terry from having a movie or continuing his series and Present Batman's last live-action movie was in 2022(A ten year gap from the last)
The Number One DC Character that can beat Batman is Warner Bros.
David Zaslav giving Batman a run for his money
@@LeonD1017bruce prep time about to go wild
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Warner Brother's get in there own way and mess it up
I love the respect you keep putting on Nightwing, a lot of people don’t know that Nightwing is listed as on of the top ten best hand to hand combat in DC
@@newworld6438 funny how that list has at least 3 batfamily members if not 4
Yeah because DC doesn’t do the character justice. The toughest we’ve ever seen Dick was in Teen Titans, and that version of the character was a Dick, Jason, Tim hybrid.
Hes also listed as only SECOND to batman
@@andyplays9493 Cass when she isn't nerfed for absolutely no reason “hi theyre “
@@painvillegaming4119 Tell me the last time cassandra beat a nonwounded nightwing who was fighting seriously
Bro.. You had me on Harley. I was about to drop a dozen angry paragraphs. 😂
same I was about to craasg out
Ngl man, u fr had me in the beginning with the Harley Quinn pick😂😂😂 I literally had to step away and have a mini-crashout episode at how completely and utterly ridiculous it was lol🤣🤣🤣
@@jacksonmiles3126 not that out of character for bloody Dc to do
Going to be honest some of the things DC has been doing last few years I was believing it and sighed of course.
WHAT ???? what do you mean batman isnt an unstoppable human being who can destroy anyone ? Nah fr tho I love when batman gets beat by other characters, bc that shows he is a human, and it shoes he never give up.
I agree some of the best stories are about Batman over coming the odds as a man among gods. Sadly a lot of writers and fans like to make him a Jack of all trades and a master of all. Last Batman comic I picked up had him falling from outer space in his normal Batsuit only to walk it off and hack emotion into a terminator that was beating on Superman a terminator Batman's subconscious built. At this point Batman is just a demi god who by simply existing causes reality to change in his favor.
@@Legacyartisti don't mind OP bat God from time to time but zdarsky stories aren't good
Yeah when he gets by enhanced people and not other normal humans because that doesn't make any sense he is the best fighter on the planet as a normal human
@@BINGUS959 Bruce isn't normal by any extension
@@painvillegaming4119 i mean he isn't enhanced by anything other than steroids and peak human limit, i mean he doesn't have superpowers or anything
Zadarski: and then Cassandra gets one shot... by a grappling hook
@@danielendless The most unbelievable part of that story is how any of the bat family end up agreeing with Catwoman
But Cass specifically has just as much conviction as Bruce
She wouldn't have went to fight him
@@huntertezz tom king old man Thomas pissed me off
Can we get a good Batman and Batfamily run?
I mean being a better fighter than someone doesn't mean you're gonna win in a fight. Cass is more skilled but she likely would lose to Bruce.
@@shaunbryantjr2355Bruce has so many other advantages on top of being a top 5 martial artist in the verse.
@@shaunbryantjr2355Yeah, people don’t seem to realize this. IQ, armor, tech experience ect all play a large role in determining the winner of a fight.
You know Batman's preptime is unmatched cuz since he can't consistely beat Shiva himself, he adopted Cassandra in to finish the job for him /jk
3 steps ahead
They're dynamic is adorable honestly
@@painvillegaming4119 100% agreed, I'd argue Bruce arguably has the healthiest relationship with Cassandra out of all the Batfamily members
@@rabootfanboysam5068 I mean yeah she get Bruce
She gets his guilt she gets why he fights
It also help she can see how he truly feel about all of them
Bruce has a hard time expressing his emotion
For Cass that no problem since she can see it no words need it
I need more of they're dynamic maybe for arc 2 of her new comic series
If he ever wants to retire she is even the perfect choice to succeed him.
Since she is also the only one of his kids that want to be Batman
@ well Damian also wants to be Batman
But my vote goes to cass
0:30 still hate how many cool batfamily spreads are ruined by Harley Quinn's needless inclusion.
@@dixienormus2802 it called the batfamily they’re people he consider as close as family
@@painvillegaming4119Ain't no way Batman considers Harley as family even if he believes in redemption I don't think Joker would EVER be near the Batfamily in a friendly way non the less Harley
@@SolidusInc yeah ….am not disagreeing but I see the confusion I phrase it wrong
Am against Harley in the batfamily too
@@painvillegaming4119Before you come with "Joker manipulated and beat her" he did do those things but she continued to commit terrible terrible things with him and she's the one that fell for Joker first and falling for someone who has had a reputation of bad things is a huge red flag
@@painvillegaming4119Oh okay bro sorry I thought you were defending her inclusion my bad
11:20 100%agree i hate the " the winner is the one who's writing it" we know it's true to a certain degree but when matching up characters through potential, feats, hacks is what needed to be addressed. It's about consistency
@@Achieme I love stan but you shouldn't have a random bozo pull up and slap around Thor that just bad writing
If it characters in equal footing like hulk or Thor yeah at that point it depends on the story you wanna tell
@painvillegaming4119 exactly because if DC were to declare Harley or Joker being masters of martial arts and able to beat Batman or Lady shiva fans would be calling BS.
When fans pull the Goku vs Superman everyone who aren't bias would say superman because of stats and there's no argument against that
@@Achiemethe joker is weird
Because he either get one-shotted or a difficult fight
@@Achieme Don't know why you're bringing up different story matchups on a video about a very specific iteration of the DCU, post Infinite Frontier Comic books only, no pre flashpoint, no Absolute, but sure Goku, if you aren't bias, there's no argument.
Like what, so like Post Infinite Frontier Superman only, versus The Monkey King who is trapped in the Phantom Zone? Is that what you mean? You're definitely not referencing the Dragon Ball character in this context. Like, Infinite Frontier Superman beats Dragon Ball Daima Goku, no argument if you're not bias. Must be that guy stuck in the Phantom Zone.
@insupportofjunhado I'm simply referring to main line, if I were to say who would win Flash vs Quicksilver I'm not talking about the movies, video games or alt universe. Just the mainline comics. If I wanted to be specific. I would said who'd win Fox Quicksilver or DCEU flash
My heart literally froze in place when you mentioned Harley Quinn lmao
Nah but seriously Nightwing deserves more respect, he’s definitely on Batman’s level, the only reason why he hasn’t properly surpassed him is because progression doesn’t exist in comics and I’m positive if Lady Shiva was created today she’d be called “woke”
@@RyomenAyeni225sadly yeah tho if annoying when they create a flawless character that is the bestest ever
But people need to recognize when a character is good and when they're badly writing
Shiva is a great character
@ I agree but it doesn’t make a difference to some, I’m convinced by the the way the world is rn that she’d be called woke regardless
But yeah, writing matters
Bruce: I don't want to fight you.
Lady Shiva: I wouldn't want to fight me neither.
Some people underestimate Nightwing due to how he can be portrayed in media outside of comics (and in comics as well sometimes), but his skills and abilities are absolutely nothing to sneeze at. He most definitely has a good shot at beating Batman in a fight.
Dcamu single handedly destroyed a decent amount of his reputation by how many Ls he took and how many times his arm got broken.
@@NightRunner2099 bro got the Vegeta curse
Nightwing is my favorite character of all time, i'm glad to see someone respect the goat
I clicked faster than Barry finishing in Iris
Not as fast as my 0.000001 record
This comment is just as sus as the video title
@@jointkay-y5i it’s funny to think most of the people he mentioned are his Step Kids 😂
@@Logan-yt1lj Bruce is so proud of them
@@painvillegaming4119 “I’m proud of you Dick’s Dick”
I appreciate how this channel always gives my glorious king Dick Grayson the respect that he deserves
2:11 Richard Dragon is so underrated and underutilized in DC he deserves more attention and respect as the character has a lot of potential.
Just a fun fact that I thought about being a avid comic reader but Nightwing has DEFINITELY defeated Batman a lot in recent years now that DC Management has finally decided to push him as one of the pillars of DC. There’s at least handful I can think of just this year alone where they fought and Nightwing either won outright or is winning before the plot demands the fight stopped
No Bronze Tiger. He has never lost to Bruce in a single fight
I was expecting Bronze Tiger too
Bronze Tiger hasn’t been relevant since the 80s-90s.
He's gotten so irrelevant by this point I wouldn't be surprised if Tim and Damian stole bros lunch money in a fight.
Bronze tiger has blatently said batman is the greatest fighter on earth
Yes he has. And the last time they fought they were evenly matched.
Bro the First Title of the Video was DIABOLICAL 💀
Shout out to black canary
No one touching my goat. Not even the presence himself
It's leaking all over the floor, lil bro. At least wipe it out.
@@mr.kuso868fax you oozing out
Yes sir
Another fighter than can likely beat Batman is Green Arrow (Conner).
Batman himself said Conner was second to only lady shiva (this was before Cass debut and Richard Dragon returned)
@@huntertezz didn’t damian fight him in Lazarus tournament
@@painvillegaming4119 Yeah and Damian lost to him.
At the end of the tournament Lady Shiva even approached Connor and eluded to a rematch with her.
@@huntertezz when did he fight shiva ?
@@painvillegaming4119 long time ago, before even Cass was invented
Connor was fighting relative to a weakened damian wayne same damian who thought that even with having the powers of eclipso in his hands would still not beat batman
You had us in the first half not gonna lie, I heard Harley Quinn and was like "huh"?
@@Antiprincipl3 dc would stoop that low
@@painvillegaming4119 honestly, I can't even argue with that, and I won't even be surprised.
@@Antiprincipl3 yeah tho i was about to crash out anyway
@@painvillegaming4119 like sleep?
@@Antiprincipl3 ?
Okay, you got me in the 1st choice, not going to lie. Especially when you referenced "Heroes in Crisis" as evidence.
All the other choices *chef's kiss*
@@Oddash-lz6kw man is the ultimate troll
Nightwing in the comics has bested Batman shit Nightwing was Batman for a while. That’s why the disrespect to Nightwing is crazy. He also led the JL
Cass needs representation more
@@gamerzilla6113 James Gunn give us a live action Cassandra Cain and my life is yours
@@painvillegaming4119I think he made a comment about her being in the Brave and the Bold (delayed) along with oyher batfamily members because comic fans haven't had the luxury of seeing them in movies/live action.
Ignoring Dc giving current Jason low self esteem for whatever reason. He's really more of a weapons and bombs guy in my mind.
I hate that for him
Jason honestly should be the gadget guy of the Robins not Tim imo. Dive into the realm of Jason being scrappy and very versatile/jack-of-all-trades
That doesn’t mean I think Jason shouldn’t be hyper skilled in combat though, he should just mix gadgets in heavily. Jason has been trained by the best of the best he should reasonably be up there, but DC hates him
Bronze Tiger could be a challenge for Batman
It's dependent on who the writer wants to win. Lazy. Maybe. But true. Once I found out Squirrel girl was one of the most powerful marvel characters, I stopped caring about who could beat who.
your growth has been crazy to watch. I can't wait to meet you at the top bro. please keep grinding dude we love you
3:13 you really had us
Appreciate the ghost maker decision. He’s a character in recent years that’s been pretty good and needs to show up again
@@jgiudici6 they gave Bruce a Vegeta
@ facts, need to see more of that since Batman takes everything seriously and ghost maker enjoys it more
@@jgiudici6 he's a fun edition just keep him with Batman incorporated tho
That Harley Quinn Section gave me a small heartattack
I remember in the comic where Wally West became a murderer, Superman says that her martial arts are on par with Bruce ... for some reason
Now Clark's my goat but that shit was not it, Bottom 10 Superman moments of all time
Heroes in crisis? Yeah that's Tom king for you.
Heroes in crisis was a crack pipe comic bro it doesn't exist it ruined a lot of characters for shock value
Im glad you mentioned Nightwing the way they be depicting him in these animated movies is a crime. And to me it makes sense hes Bruce's best student and protege with his own unique twist on combat due to his agility and acrobatic skills, he should give Bruce a run for his money.
Pls make a part 2 I'd like to hear what other characters youd put on this list. For me I'd include Black Canary and Bronze Tiger as well
Let’s be honest nobody is gonna beat Batman IF he hopped on some of banes juice. Oh the criminals in Gotham think they know fear imagine a Batman the size of bane THAT WOULD BE FEAR! “But that’s just a theory a bat theory”
I don't consider Deathstroke to a great fighter because his dangerous factor tends to Supersteroids + Near impossible to destroy armor + Gun/Sword + some hand to hand combat skil. Deathstroke isn't a God of Combat. He is a guy that does well in several areas but wouldn't say he is the best or top 5.(He also doesn't many martial arts combats for people in comics.)
Not having Black Canary in this list should be illegal. But since you mentioned it can only be recent comics, i get why you didnt put in there.
Black Canary one of my favs ngl, ever since the Justice League and Young Justice days, and also me maining her in Injustice 2. Loved her
@IAmNonCreative That is nice. It was my first pov of her character for me as well.
He said no one with superpowers and she does have the canary cry too.
@@pocus2740 Canary Cry is just a sonic attack that grants immunity to Sonic Hypnosis and sometimes she can glide with it. It doesn't give her a edge to the fight. And she isn't Black Bolt, where every sound is a sonic bomb. Also did you know that First Birds of Prey she used her Canary Cry less than 10 times. Even when she got her Canary Cry back with Lazarus Pit.
@@ghostrouxinol6169that’s not all the canary cry is it definitely would give her a significant advantage bc she can use it as a attack which can be very destructive, we know it can destroy structures pretty easily if she wants to use it in that way and also she could definitely destroy your ear drums if she wants lol
When you said Harley was above nightwing I was like “are you for real?”
I just want to see Lady Shiva in the DCU. Give my girl a TV show or something.
@@DarthVader11912 well if Cass show up so will Shiva no doubt
im geuinly conviced everybody on this list would loose to the adam west batman
@@jakebraz3265 Cass and Nightwing would love that version of their dad
@painvillegaming4119 he would love them to 100% when asked if dick was his son Bruce said " no but if he was I would be proud of call him my son"
I think ever since Dick tanked a point blank bomb and then proceeded to beat Deathstroke 1v1 no gadgets just hands...he's arguably better than Batman.
Not saying for sure but there is a conversation to be had at least.
Stop it
@@quentinglover1907he is though, Dick > Bruce
He's fought Slade so many more times than Bruce has, it's only natural that he would know him and how he fights better than Bruce
They're equal
Deathstroke was nerfed from being under pariahs controll
Yo your content has evolved do much bro Good Work
Hey, you said post Infinite Frontier, New 52 is now Earth 52, so it doesn't count!
love to see you collab with the batspecter sometime it will be so cool watching you two glaze batman
The problem with fights in comics is that the fights depends on the plot, Batman have lost in fist fight agains't the Riddler and even Harley, like, sometimes he beat Shiva, Cassandra and Deathstroke, them in the other, he is beat up by Punchline, is juts like Superman, being evenly matched with Doomsday and Darkseid, but then being beat up by Grundy, the same Grundy who is beat up by members of the batfamily, the dude in recent comics even beat up Donna Troy, he dind't win the fight, but made her bleed and have a hard time, comics have a hard time in power scaling their heroes, because if they are too strong the story ends quickly, but if they nerf them too hard, we have things like Batman losing agains't Punchline.
I will argue it be Cassandra Cain. Batman aka Bruce Wayne he said if she stop holding back that their wouldn't be alot people who could stand toe to toe with her.
The Number One DC character that can beat Batman would be Matt Reeves himself, considering that the Batman sequel got delayed up to one year💀💀
2115 gonna be crazy, that years gonna have the batman part II,beyond the spider-verse and the blade movie
@@abiodunsulaiman2297 oh so that why the turtles fast forward
U're almost got me with that Hayley pick man,ALMOST.
Tbh I don't think many people want to watch Batman just lose. They want to see him lose, learn from it, and then grow to beat the opponent later on. Batman can beat anyone for the sake of the story, not for Stan Lee's reasoning but because otherwise people wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much. It's simply catering to the desires of the readers.
@@BakuGone it not fun to see your heros get they're ass beat if they're don't get a rematch
@@painvillegaming4119 I don't mind. For example, the hero ranking in One Punch Man. I like it. There are some things that exceed some heroes and they will never stand a chance. You got a S-level villain? Better get a S-level hero.
@@KamenKami yeah but anime and comic are different
Especially characters like Batman who is the main character of his book
Great video chief
Ive never heard anyone use batman as a bench mark
Glad someone is clearing up how Batman is not unstoppable and can actually loose to some characters in the comics.
@@tytheaniman497 and a good portion of them are his kids
@ Irony🤣
@@tytheaniman497 naaaa bruce is proud
That Harley glazing had me spit my drink ngl
Anytime somebody tells me that a character has mastered every known fighting style I immediately tune out.
Same
Bro, the Birds of Prey pictures u showed are well-drawn hentai without actually being hentai😂
If I remember isn’t the list to who’s the best fighter in the Batfamily mess up because is saids best in Earth 1 where none of them exist yet.
*Batman becomes evil and the only ones who can stop him are the Robins*
Grayson:I can defeat him in a fight
Tim:I can use my mind to defeat him.
Jason:I can use my gun.
*•••*
Grayson:Uhg, for the love of god
Jason:What? We have to stop him, I am just using the fast way!
Grayson:You just, uhg, he, you, ahg, he can dodge a bullet, what you gonna when he dodges the bullet?
Jason:Well am, if that doesn’t, Im gonna use… 2 GUNS!, and if that doesn’t work either well, use more guns until one hits him I don’t know.
Grayson: …Sometimes I, I hate you.
Jason:Yeah me too.
bro, issue more!
Jesse we have to issue
Nice video
Shiva
Cass
Dickie
And like you said in an all out serious fight just martial arts
Cassie and Shiva wins 7 out of 10 times
Dick wins 4 or 5 currently
Ghostmaker is a no for for two reasons
1. Even though bruce said they're equals he also did say he hasn't beaten him since they turned 20
2. In the alternate universe where batman went after the failsafe arc there was a ghostmaker there amped by venom and had the same amount of training as prime Bruce and Ghostmaker but our bruce dogged him easily.
Fun fact: thats where he lost his hand at first.
But great video, sorry for ranting
You forgot Kyodai Ken, Batman’s old classmate. He beat him at everything, even when he came back as an an adult in the anomated series episode “Day of the Samurai”.
He almost got me on that harley quinn joke
To be fair, Batman has already beat these characters. Batman knows every system of fighting. As good as these characters are, they simply don't compare to Batman at his best.
TERRANCE OUT
Im a deathstroke hater but hes still beaten batman most of the time so....
@LegendaryOverfiend Batman has defeated Deathstroke before too. Mentioning that a character has been defeated, doesn't matter if it happens alot.
TERRANCE OUT
@@worldsfinesteamup Yeah but he still wins more then he loses thats my point lol. I can beat my friend in a game 3 out of 10 times but that doesn't make me better thas all im saying
@LegendaryOverfiend Like I said, Batman has defeated Deathstroke multiple times.
TERRANCE OUT
@@worldsfinesteamup that's like dropping the mic only to return to pick it up and answer
I think Cass is the best technical fighter. If one was limited to only martial arts and confined to a limited space she'd have the best odds.
Nightwing is better than the others because his agility and optimized version of batmans teachings makes him the oddest opponent in this apex field of combat. I'd imagine even Cass couldn't dismantle him the way she does the better trained fighters because he'd be the oddest to predict.
As a certified Red Hood Glazer, I unfortunately agree w this list.
Unfortunately DC hates our boy. He’s rarely/sparsely shown out in the years the same way he did in
Under the Red Hood
Bro was young as hell in UTRH forced Bruce to not hold back, and then ever since hasn’t grown beyond that really
I discovered your videos a few days ago, although I don't know much English (although I put subtitles) I think they are pretty good and you usually say exactly what I think about some things, it makes me feel good since none of my friends like comics, so thank you very much!
weight and strength in this video matters a lot tho, even if skills were equal, the bigger opponent wins. So if you're saying Lady Shiva kicks Batman's ass, it means her skills must be way beyond Batman in order to overwhelm his strength advantage
Are we going to talk about Tom King ranking? No? Good.
Nope that guy wrote thomas wayne soloing the bat family
Nah he disrespected my GOAT Tim
Tom King said riddler is smarter than Batman. The guy is obsessed with taking Batman down a peg.
Yo! Bronze Tiger!
I need Wildcat to get more notoriety in comics again, dude hasn't done anything for years
I was about to quit this video after that first part about harley
I still think that he would wreck anybody on this list when he fights how he likes, by using gadgets, trickery, and deception. Whats Lady Shiva gonna do when she gets backhanded across the face with an electric gaunlet
We are talking about a fair fight. No powers, no gadgets, no help and just combat.
@ghostrouxinol6169 and I'm saying that if he were to fight any of these people on his terms it wouldn't be much of a fight
@LanceLee-dh5pc Saying that Lady Shiva's fight would be easy, it's the same as saying fighting Batman is an even easier fight. Sandra Wusan doesn't fight for fight. A fight means that one of them will die. Cassandra Cain and Batman likely have the same years of experience. Not to mention that while Batman was learning other fields, Cassandra was fully focus on combat and assassination. (Yes she won't kill anybody alike Batman.) But the fact she already skilled at young age and not in her peak of her prime like her mother, shows how skilled she is. I don't know about Ghost. But I can say that Nightwing is the closest in terms how Batman fights. Not just as combat but as combination of skills and tech support. But I think Dick can give Bruce a fight for his money. He is also the character that likely knows Bruce the best. Since it's likely that he knowing for 10-20 years and he fought a long side him for 5-10 years.
I amn't saying this characters would have 100% win rate against him but it'snt 0.
@ghostrouxinol6169 yeah that's fair
His tech and gadgets aside a lot of people forgets a lot of stuff about bruce and doesn't mention it, first of all canonically bruce always holds back it's official by DC by the way, second bruce has learnt a lot of alien martial arts including klurkor kryptonian martial arts which he used to knockout supergirl in world's finest and all martial arts in slag galaxy in offworld series and recently he learnt all of damian's new moves in batman v robin lazarus event, dc just want to add tension so they have to show batman struggle against guys like shiva and cassandra otherwise it would be bloodbath, cause in zdarsky's run bruce almost soloed the entire batfamily while he was mentally unwell and said that he didn't teach them everything he knows which most likely means stuff like his alien martial arts and some other stuff which we don't know about.
Ghost maker and his charecter and backstory reminds me of night of the ninja and day of the Samurai from btas
3:22 I'm just sad that THIS is what Harley has come too I GET it's out of continuity but cane we do something meaningful with her
Nobody here beats him bro lol
Technically, I think Richard Dragon appeared in The Question Black Label book in 2020, but that's out of continuity.
Still, I find it funny that some of Richard's most notable appearances outside his own book are when The Question or someone he likes need to be annoyed into character development lol
your videos are getting me through some tuff times rn thank you bro i appreciate the vids
I think you missed one. Prometheus is basically like taskmaster and he can copy fighting styles. He’s like the reverse flash of Batman
He only has fighting skills due to his helmet which can be hacked to downgrade his fighting skills to that of Stephen Hawking
I agree with everything you said in the video, but if you’re gonna powerscale Batman ( or any comic book character for that matter) I feel like you have to include the older comics as well
I have bo problem with him staying in current continuity BUT he uses pre Infinite Frontier examples to prove his point. Its usually just a shield because folks who have read older books know that Batman wasn’t OP like hes been since the 90s.
@ me personally, I feel like he’s being a bit unfair towards Batman, also, if we’re gonna talk about recent books I think in a 2022 DC guidebook it said nightwing is second only to Batman
i’m just waiting for the upcoming tweets about the title
Writers definitely play a factor in that department. Nightwing is underrated amongst fans and even DC itself. The animated use mirroring New 52 was hard to watch when Nightwing kept being disrespected in fights lol.
Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Cheshire Connor Hawke, Cassie Cain, Katana, and, at least during Post Crisis, Black Canary are all SUPERIOR to Batman on purely skill level. But Batman has a utility belt. And he will use it to equalize things.
M Enterprise Are there any Marvel and Dc Comics that you would like to recommend to me
Also love ya videos 👍👍😁
Nightwing, never.
8:54 i shouldn't be surprised but umm....eeew
I wish they didn't hate Red Hood so much. Because i think if he was actually properly written, then he would definitely be in top 5.
Should be, but unfortunately won’t be more than likely
@gabebartlett9680 good thing we have a damn good fandom for him.
Bronze Tiger, Human Black Adam, The Help
Connor Hawke not being here is criminal
I was ready to give a very hateful comment when you started talking about Harley Quin. In all seriousness, I think both Ghost Maker and Nightwing are equals, or just a bit below batman, but in a fair fight I would give them each 40%-50% against Batman
Nightwing is also a eugenics project by the court of owls, so he is literally born to be a great fighter and the best of all Talons.
Bane.
0:31 Look at the way my boi posted up right next to his girl(not Harley btw)
Batman still my favorite goat in fiction tho
IMO Batman should feel more like a strategic fighter than a skilled one. He learns 100+ fighting styles but isn’t a master of any of them, instead focusing on variety to counter different opponents. Maybe grappling is more effective against Killer Croc but boxing is better against Harley or something. He would be far from the strongest in each respective fighting style, with his strength coming from his ability to use them like any other of his tools. He should still be able to be over powered by more skilled opponents who have more experience in their style though.
Harley part have me dying lmao, lord knows I have seen way too many similar arguments like that one being used unironically.
I love that instead of starting the list you took the opportunity to shit on the scratch and smell fart comic
Bro had me TWEAKING with that Harley piece 😭
Tiny correction but in Event Leviathan (2020) #3 Jason does end up beating both Batman and Robin (Damian) in a fair fight when both of them are trying to arrest him because they suspect he's Leviathan after going crazy because of Roy Harper's death in Heroes In Crisis. I'm not saying Jason would win over Bruce easily, he's done it thrice though (first fight in UTRH, the second one was where he lost and lured Bruce to the joker) and the second being in Rhato 2016 special and then Event Leviathan which was purely hand to hand. Pretty good list though!
0:04 You know, superhero clothes are getting TOO skintight. Was it cold in the comic?
did the title change
Batman has already been beaten by WB, they've refused Terry from having a movie or continuing his series and Present Batman's last live-action movie was in 2022(A ten year gap from the last)
1:43 Dc: we have iron fist at home 😂