Those "impact fees" from the "system development charges" should be charged to the city government for bringing in more homeless and drug-addicts into the city.
Ya know....not trying to be mean....but there needs to be a discussion as to whether or not someone who wants to start a business in portland is actually an intelligent person. The things they do there is not news. Its been going on for decades. And the internet likewise wasnt invent yesterday....these horror stories have been widely publicized for yeeeeaaaars. So what the hell? Esp a company like this that has experience opening businesses all over the place...just bizarre.
@@donpayton737 too much competition in the inner urban area of Portland. Fred Meyer & BiMart have been here forever & do a great job. Walmart likes to have a monopoly in most cities - they were never gonna get that here.
I can understand some impact fees since he wants to rezone the property. But requiring a private business to fix public property before he even occupies the place is something I've never heard of. How a small business ever recovers these costs is a mystery.
BS! The government is imposing its lack of city maintenance accrued over decades of malfeasance on the new business owner. Completely unjustified. A serious inspection and audit of the government's books are in order.
I know a guy that started working for Portland Metro back in 2003. They gave him a 6 figure income to start with great benefits. Despite not having any urban development experience, he told me how they were planning this new urban development project called the Intertwine Project which has the goal of among other things creating a more bike friendly city. His buddies at the top made him in charge and his goal was to be able to make a system of bike trails and bike lanes that would take you from one side of the city to the other without having to worry about sharing the road with cars. He was responsible for all the streets that went from 2 lanes to 1. Last I checked Portland is still in the top 10 for worst traffic in the country. He and his wife moved away from Portland after the riots and the homeless problem got out of control. And trust me, he accepts no responsibility for accepting a 6 figure income for a couple decades and then as soon as times get tough, he moves away.
@@russ254 True. You don't marry your job but you should marry your values though. I should emphasize it's not him necessarily, it's the system that would promote his thinking that wastes so much of our tax dollars. It's why so many people commute from Vancouver to Portland even though the traffic is terrible. People see their tax dollars being wasted on little pet projects that have unforeseen consequences. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
"The public expects that the business will make a contribution to accommodate that traffic." No, the public expects the local government to pay for those items. No wonder businesses go elsewhere. You're broken, Portland.
he should have come up here to clark county. it would have been basically the same tax structure as he had in seattle, but cheaper, and FAR less bullshit to deal with. i opened a business in vancouver. no problem, no sweat, no hassles. NONE. it was all: "thank you for your business." OH: and we throw the riffraff from portland in prison when the fuck around with us up here. we really do. we have prosecutors that know what their job is.
I moved out of that city 7 years ago and have never been happier. My business is booming. I don't have to worry if I'm going to make payroll any more or feel like I'm being oppressed. Portland is nothing but another cess pool of a city.
Let me get this straight: the guy is opening a business that will create jobs and pay taxes, and he has to pave the street, put storm drains, install sidewalk ramps, and put up street signs? So what do the dept of transport or Portland do then if businesses have to do their job. Just collect taxes? And this guy put a business in the corner, what would Portland politicians do if he instead got a middle of the block place?
A city that doesn’t care how safe YOUR sidewalk is, is forcing a small business to make their sidewalk safe? This must be what voters want, that’s the only possible explanation.
I don't know about property lines in Portland but, here in L.A., where I worked before I retired, the property line was 3 feet from the building. Beyond that 3 feet, we in security had no jurisdiction. So, the property owner did not have any responsibility. What we are seeing in Portland, is a political party acting like an organized crime family. Whats next? Does he have to fix the potholes in the intersection?
Everywhere I have been the city/county takes care of the ADA ramps. It can get silly at times though when there is a ramp on a street corner to be ADA compliant but no sidewalk. Just a ramp into the weeds.
It seems to me the city wants the sidewalk improvements paid for the business, possibly because the city does not have the budget to improve THIER property, here in California, the sidewalks are city property and thier responsibility
We were in Portland in 2010 for a wedding, and I thought it was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. It breaks my heart to see the state of it now. How the mayor and Governor can look at themselves in the mirror each morning is beyond me. They should be ashamed of themselves. Everyone else is.
It is baffling why anyone stays in that place. The hand writing is on the wall and the elected officials think the graffiti is beautiful not prophetic.
If he is forced to make repairs and or code upgrades to public property. Then he could turn around and sue the city for damages to his property if the city ever gets a road crew to jackhammer through the sidewalk that he paid to replace and gas the receipts and judgement directing him to do so. Conversely he can block it off with a fence and place tables outside since again, the city effectively ceeded claim to him because of forcing him to get the upgrades/updates. All because they of the city council hate private businesses, entrepreneurs, and anyone that doesn't blindly just give them even more money to throw into a fire pit. Of course the city will argue "the sidewalk is public property". Fine, good. Why did i as a private citizen and business owner have to repair, update city property at my expense without any reimbursement or waving of other required "fees"? Wouldn't the whole bring sidewalks up to code be a public expense since, you have just argued that the sidewalks are public, be something the city would have to pay for? Yes? Give me back the money you forced me to pay to have this done and pay the court costs and other legal fees. If the city is arguing that a private citizen has to bear the sole expense of bringing public property to current code requirements. The city is making a fairly clear declaration of property ceedure as near as i can figure. As in to say: " We as Portland counsel give this property to the business owner. Because we transferred responsibility to him by having him pay for requied updates. "
I can not even feel sorry for this guy. Has he not looked at the news about Portland for the last several years? If someone wants a long term successful business you would not want to do it in Portland. It would be like doing a kidney transport on someone with stage four lung and pancreatic cancer. Why bother.
maybe don't give your money away to all those phoney programs and use the money for public works, like what it's for. This is simply corruption, investigate these criminals
No they're not. The utility poles are, but the sidewalks typically belong to whomever it is that owns the land they pass through. I don't agree with that, I think it makes far more sense to make the sidewalks the expense of the municipality, but it isn't. That's why you get people being sued because their sidewalks are uneven or not shoveled if somebody falls, not the city. The city typically just has an easement to allow people to walk along the sidewalk without needing permission from the landowners to do so. It's pretty much just the corners where the city workers typically have anything to do with the sidewalk and only because that's necessary to allow people to cross the street as part of the design of the road.
@@khawmtiti4460 I’m not necessarily supporting blue or red politics I’m just saying there should be a better way to finance this without turning off and turning away businesses who could contribute positively to the cities GDP.
In 2020 the city of Detroit, did not see riots and vandalism on anywhere near the scale Portland did. Detroit's police had made a point of getting to know people, and activists, and when George Floyd died, there were orderly protests, unlike Portland and Seattle.
Issues like these are why cities loose their population, blue or red. If there is not safety, reasonable policies, and a conducive business environment people move elsewhere. While San Francisco is a casebook example cities that need revitalization need to consider updating codes such as these, look into alternative revenue streams ( California is good at this) etc.
@@Swoleminer71 You must be a relative of Duggan the corrupt elf. You can have detroit, move your kids there and send them to school with the animals.........
I would close up shop and leave town. Let that building sit empty and watch the vagrants vandalize and spray paint it. Then check back city and see how their side walk project is working out. This is beyond insane what these people are doing to the city. This must be thought up by the same fools who decided to turn two lane roads into one lane roads that cause grind lock thru out the city for no reason other than to have people sit and idle in traffic all day.
@@xusmico187 They did say it's his busiest location, so maybe he crunched the numbers and decided it was worth it. If that's the case, then the city might be smart to let business owners - who will ultimately make bank being in Portland - eat those costs up front instead of making the taxpayer cover them.
He's there because he wants to be there.. a hipster who is trying to cater to other hipsters... The fad of axe throwing has worn off and now only appeals to the hipsters who already dress like lumberjacks....going anywhere else would be like moving your ice factory to Alaska and wondering why you sales nose dived..
@@darthtechnologies553you generated $300mil in state taxes? You sound like a bit of an exaggerator, or a person who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. The entire state of California lost out on just over 300million in taxes in 2021 😂. You’re so full of bullshit, if you actually are involved with any sort of business, i’d advise your clients to look elsewhere 😂😂
I was born and raised in Portland. I moved from that POS puddle over ten years ago because I could see where it was heading. Sadly, it has become one of the most corrupt cities in the U.S. - it's absolutely embarrassing! I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to live there, let alone start a business - wtf?!
@@TheJeffbarrett i also lived in seattle , but quit visiting 20 yrs ago........left the coast finally , and rarely cross the cascades any more ...cities aren't worth it any more , and the politics are a curdled miasma
Did you notice the corner all ready had a wheel chair ramp, but the city was requiring 2. One in each direction rather than one large one in the middle!
IMO Did you know that when Walmart is looking for property to buy, they ask the city on a tax deferred plan between 10 to 25 years. That means Walmart doesn't pay property taxes for 10 years. Now if the city rejected Walmart, they just pick up and leave and go elsewhere. And the towns and cities don't get jobs and money a Walmart can bring. Now because Walmart is getting tax deferred, other businesses have to pick up their check. Just like Revel Casino. They stopped building until Governor Christie gave them a 10 deferment on the taxes. But just under 10 years, the casino files for bankruptcy and the state gets nothing until the sale of the building. We want businesses here, but who is willing to pay the tab for a business to get a tax break?
@@crazyknarf And most cities will factor in the increased revenue from the sales tax the business will generate. Unless the projections from this exceed the loss in property tax, they won't make the deal. The property tax on a bare piece of land does not generate much revenue at all for a city.
Trying to set up a Portland small business; $260,000 in fees and requirements - setting up a tent on a public street making people walk around it; free!, sanitation for said tent - just fling it and a city worker will clean it up for free! What exactly are the educational backgrounds of Portland's mayor, city council and other city leaders?
I’m pretty sure Portland’s officials are all products of the most Progressive universities in the country. That’s where they’re freed of the last shreds of common sense and taught how to be skilled deniers of reality.
Our little city had homeowners pay for sidewalk repair in front of their houses. One friend of mine, a concrete worker, said that he could do the work cheaper than what he was being charged. He also said that his sidewalk benefitted the entire block, therefore the entire block should pay for the repair. The city scoffed at him. So, after the repair was completed he and his son put up a toll booth on his part of the sidewalk to help "Raise money for the repair and maintenance" of the sidewalk. It was hilarious. The city didnt agree, though.
Yeah they’re shaking him down. He wants everything done for free. If he doesn’t want to pay that’s fine. He can put his business someplace else. What’s the issue? He owns a lot of businesses and he’s complaining about $250,000? Wah wah. The city wants me to share some cost. Wah wah. Please.
I thought it was bad here in New York. There is no way in earth I'll move to Oregon, especially Portland. I've lived all over the country and these governments now days taxing their people to death is disgusting. Portland will be the new Detroit with vast swaths of vacant areas.
Jeez, Portland. How disconnected does a group of bureaucrats have to be to think those costs are reasonable? Having a polished spokesperson explain that stupid is really smart doesn't help.
What the city of portland really needs is not just a new management structure. They need to replace all the managers, elected and appointed with new sensible people.
Portland should have already fixed the ADA sidewalk accessibility, not wait for a new business to open and pay for it, craziness. Shame on Portland Citizens that made this a regulation.
@@WarpigPSUits very ironic that those are the same people that have "save democracy/voting matters) stickers on their cars, yet they are the ones voting to turn once great places into shitholes.
What if he would have opened his business in middle of the block rather than the corner? Would he still have to put in those curb ramps? Dont other businesses on the block benefit from this so why arent they paying part of it?
Not as bad as this, but Boston is the same way. Many small shops can't deal with the fees. Fees used to prop up the bloated bureaucratic city government.
@@judycorbridge6470100%. We wouldn’t want any socioeconomic mobility now would we? Only billionaires are allowed to make any significant money here. Everyone else is expected to subsidize their “success”.
They voted for this. Voting has consequences. Voters: “ we’re to lazy, stupid, and cheap to deal with this, we want others to do it for us. “ Politicians: “ Ok, we gave you what you wanted, now here’s the bill! “ Voters: “ wait! NO!! Other people are supposed to pay for it! Not me!! Wahhhh! “
Dumb saying of the year. They voted for it. You can look at any city in any state. Choose an issue and say, “they voted for it”. It’s just dumb. It’s not helpful and it’s childish. Instead of childish finger pointing how about some real solutions? Yeah thought not. 😮
'Modernizing'. What a curious term to describe what is going on in Portland. And as far as reputation goes , I'd say that Portland has all that and a bag of chips.
"Modernizing" is Portland's definition of creating a business environment with high crime and homelessness to shut down businesses and discourage any new businesses. They think their new "tax base" will be the millions of homeless people
They just a few years ago have changed the specs for the ramps you cannot just have a concrete ramp like that. You have those fiberglass dotted flat traction inserts all around louisville it’s gave pork barrel money to the city to break all of the existing ones and installed the dot ramps in the concrete.
This is insane, disgusting and counterintuitive. That corner will be overrun by graffiti and homelessness when the business owner eventually abandons that place. Maybe that’s what the city wants? 🥴
In this businesses location, there is an ADA ramp, they shouldn't have to upgrade it. This is crazy! Apartment developers are digging up the streets to connect utilities and the patching back a strip of asphalt that will get chewed up by the busses in a year or two. Make them do thier due diligence as well. Look at Burnside, Belmont or Division Sts on the eastside as examples.
Here in Palo Alto, CA, about 20 years ago, ADA sidewalk ramps were installed in every neighborhood, at enormous expense. Then, about seven years later, many of them had to be torn out and replaced with slightly different ramps because some bureaucrat in DC changed the regulations - again at enormous expense. I guess when you’re spending someone else’s money, the sky’s the limit.
Portland can't get out of its own way. There are so many small businesses priced out by just one of those $100K+ charges, much less two of them. That holds particularly true for businesses willing to locate in and help improve run-down areas versus just opening their doors in an already-improved and generally better area of town.
5:20 Isn't the contribution the business is making to the city in the form of tax revenue? It seems like cities like Portland won't be happy until we are all living like it is the stone age.
Makes one wonder with all these permits and fees who is benefiting from this and filling their pockets. This was unheard of years ago. I had to pay 350 dollars for a building permit to move a manufactured house that was already built on a piece of property. These crooks are pocketing money and nobody can tell me different.
The businesses make their contribution to the city through their TAXES! Requiring a business to fund independently the city's infrastructure is paying for it twice (if not more).
I’m sorry, but if that was an office space (presumably open to the public) prior to this, why weren’t there ramps installed there before? Why is it up to an owner to make sure a public sidewalk is ADA compliant?
How is it a private business responsibility to maintain a public owned piece of road? That road should be maintained with tax money. Slice the salaries of all of the city council by half and I guarantee thats enough money to fix a lot of these street issues. If the business has to pay for the road in front of its business, then at least the business should own that piece of road.
"We're modernizing our sidewalks so people with disabilities can access businesses and housing". I have no disabilities and I can't access most of the businesses downtown without walking through an addict's living room. I think this "businessman" failed to do even a minimum of due diligence. Keep voting democrat, though.
That's crazy, as a small business owner myself I opened a manufacturing business in a small town where they were happy that someone was renovating the old dilapidated building and creating jobs. We opened a 30,000 sq. ft. factory with just paying a $30.00 business license from the city and a $50.00 merchants license from the county. They even gave us a tax deferment for five years. The historic building was likely going to collapse if nothing was done to prevent it so we spent tens of thousands of dollars on materials and many hours of labor over six months to get it to a point where it was stable and we were able to start working in it, the city was happy and said nothing about not having permits, the mayor did several walk throughs and was pleased the building was getting this restoration. That's how you attract businesses to your area not piling bills upon them especially at start-up. Had this been their first location it probably would have ended before it opened!
Where is this lol? The small town I used to live in was a perfect example of how to slowly kill an entire local economy with zoning laws and local regulations.
My business left Portland in 2014. The "City that works" had my business duplicate listed & even after numerous verbal & email contacts, still after 1 year later had not corrected it & continued to bill me with penalty fees. Just got that same letter again last month .
Homeowner here. We paid $2,500 to replace the sidewalk in front of our house after I tripped on it. We also maintain the elm tree on city property in front of our house. Plus a $10k property tax bill, and a front row seat to camp fires, gas cans, drug use and all sorts of lawlessness in the industrial district. Do your research before you buy a house...not that Portland is affordable or worth it.
Those "impact fees" from the "system development charges" should be charged to the city government for bringing in more homeless and drug-addicts into the city.
Those drug addicted are Trump supporters
Scam fees.
System scam charges.
Blame the government because you want a nanny to change your diapers.
Ya know....not trying to be mean....but there needs to be a discussion as to whether or not someone who wants to start a business in portland is actually an intelligent person. The things they do there is not news. Its been going on for decades. And the internet likewise wasnt invent yesterday....these horror stories have been widely publicized for yeeeeaaaars. So what the hell? Esp a company like this that has experience opening businesses all over the place...just bizarre.
Yet another reason businesses are leaving Portland. Can’t blame them.
Great way to discourage people to come . Way to go Portland .
I don't live too far from Portland and I don't even go there anymore
lots cities are actually doing it, most of them abandon the fee only after a few year because they saw a huge drop in businesses come to the city.
Not even Walmart wants to do business in Portland. That tells you everything you need to know. My advice? Get out.
Walmart is a cancer.
Don't be stupid, Walmart's problems are their own. You could have said something smart but instead you blurted out dumb shit. It's pathetic.
I'll move anywhere ther isn't a walmart, sounds like heaven
Yeah the fact that Walmart doesn't want to move there just sounds like they're doing something right
@@donpayton737 too much competition in the inner urban area of Portland. Fred Meyer & BiMart have been here forever & do a great job. Walmart likes to have a monopoly in most cities - they were never gonna get that here.
I can understand some impact fees since he wants to rezone the property. But requiring a private business to fix public property before he even occupies the place is something I've never heard of. How a small business ever recovers these costs is a mystery.
Because this is America
Stand by for debtors' prisons.
@@khawmtiti4460 Troll spotted.
Why? that's the dumbest thing.That's is one of the many reasons why businesses are leaving.
BS! The government is imposing its lack of city maintenance accrued over decades of malfeasance on the new business owner. Completely unjustified. A serious inspection and audit of the government's books are in order.
A business owners should only be responsible for the building. Sidewalks and streets are paid by taxes.
I know a guy that started working for Portland Metro back in 2003. They gave him a 6 figure income to start with great benefits. Despite not having any urban development experience, he told me how they were planning this new urban development project called the Intertwine Project which has the goal of among other things creating a more bike friendly city. His buddies at the top made him in charge and his goal was to be able to make a system of bike trails and bike lanes that would take you from one side of the city to the other without having to worry about sharing the road with cars. He was responsible for all the streets that went from 2 lanes to 1. Last I checked Portland is still in the top 10 for worst traffic in the country. He and his wife moved away from Portland after the riots and the homeless problem got out of control. And trust me, he accepts no responsibility for accepting a 6 figure income for a couple decades and then as soon as times get tough, he moves away.
he sounds like another under qualified, highly overpaid city employee.
you don’t marry a job - stop slagging your father
@@russ254 True. You don't marry your job but you should marry your values though. I should emphasize it's not him necessarily, it's the system that would promote his thinking that wastes so much of our tax dollars. It's why so many people commute from Vancouver to Portland even though the traffic is terrible. People see their tax dollars being wasted on little pet projects that have unforeseen consequences. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@@Wetterisbetter514 that’s it in a nutshell “pet projects that have unforeseen consequences”
@@methus57 I bet he came from CA.... Internet hiring helped destroy Oregon...
Seems like there is a correlation between onerous regulations/fees on business and leniency for crime.
"The public expects that the business will make a contribution to accommodate that traffic."
No, the public expects the local government to pay for those items. No wonder businesses go elsewhere. You're broken, Portland.
he should have come up here to clark county. it would have been basically the same tax structure as he had in seattle, but cheaper, and FAR less bullshit to deal with. i opened a business in vancouver. no problem, no sweat, no hassles. NONE. it was all: "thank you for your business." OH: and we throw the riffraff from portland in prison when the fuck around with us up here. we really do. we have prosecutors that know what their job is.
PDX charging to repair or replace city infrastructure that is city right of way and the business doesn’t own…. Peak stupidity
Why would you spend that much just to open? The city is responsible for streets and such improvements from tax funds. City spokesperson is full of BS.
We left Portland 6 years ago after 45 years of residency. Not a good place any more
What a shame..It was such a fun place.
Surprised the City didn't make a requirement on how many homeless people the business would house and support.
So they're too poorly run to manage their city that they put the burden on people who are trying to bring buisness to the area.
I hope this Store Owner told the City thanks but no thanks. I wouldn't bring a business to that cesspool if it was free.
Insanity, government was NEVER supposed to be involved at this level in any private business EVER !
I moved out of that city 7 years ago and have never been happier. My business is booming. I don't have to worry if I'm going to make payroll any more or feel like I'm being oppressed. Portland is nothing but another cess pool of a city.
Let me get this straight: the guy is opening a business that will create jobs and pay taxes, and he has to pave the street, put storm drains, install sidewalk ramps, and put up street signs? So what do the dept of transport or Portland do then if businesses have to do their job. Just collect taxes? And this guy put a business in the corner, what would Portland politicians do if he instead got a middle of the block place?
That’s crazy 😂. It’s a public street. The city is stealing from the public and this is how they cover it up.
As more and more people drift to left of center instead of far left.
A city that doesn’t care how safe YOUR sidewalk is, is forcing a small business to make their sidewalk safe? This must be what voters want, that’s the only possible explanation.
That whole bill should just have one line item "BRIBE" lol
It is almost like the city doesn't want business to success.
I don't know about property lines in Portland but, here in L.A., where I worked before I retired, the property line was 3 feet from the building. Beyond that 3 feet, we in security had no jurisdiction. So, the property owner did not have any responsibility. What we are seeing in Portland, is a political party acting like an organized crime family. Whats next? Does he have to fix the potholes in the intersection?
What is wrong with the ramp that is already there?
Portland isn't as bad as Commifornia!
Everywhere I have been the city/county takes care of the ADA ramps. It can get silly at times though when there is a ramp on a street corner to be ADA compliant but no sidewalk. Just a ramp into the weeds.
Portland trying to get money out of the few businesses left to pay their deficit.
Wanna make money in Portland? Open a camping supply store. Seriously
Everything I see about that City makes me want to never visit it!
It seems to me the city wants the sidewalk improvements paid for the business, possibly because the city does not have the budget to improve THIER property, here in California, the sidewalks are city property and thier responsibility
We were in Portland in 2010 for a wedding, and I thought it was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. It breaks my heart to see the state of it now. How the mayor and Governor can look at themselves in the mirror each morning is beyond me. They should be ashamed of themselves. Everyone else is.
People are nuts dealing with those thieves.
Life is choices. No one is forcing people to be in business in that pit.
Why would anyone want to open a business there?
It is baffling why anyone stays in that place. The hand writing is on the wall and the elected officials think the graffiti is beautiful not prophetic.
What is the incentive to open a business there when there are so many better options around the country. Nevada and Texas come to mind.
If he is forced to make repairs and or code upgrades to public property. Then he could turn around and sue the city for damages to his property if the city ever gets a road crew to jackhammer through the sidewalk that he paid to replace and gas the receipts and judgement directing him to do so.
Conversely he can block it off with a fence and place tables outside since again, the city effectively ceeded claim to him because of forcing him to get the upgrades/updates. All because they of the city council hate private businesses, entrepreneurs, and anyone that doesn't blindly just give them even more money to throw into a fire pit.
Of course the city will argue "the sidewalk is public property". Fine, good. Why did i as a private citizen and business owner have to repair, update city property at my expense without any reimbursement or waving of other required "fees"? Wouldn't the whole bring sidewalks up to code be a public expense since, you have just argued that the sidewalks are public, be something the city would have to pay for? Yes? Give me back the money you forced me to pay to have this done and pay the court costs and other legal fees.
If the city is arguing that a private citizen has to bear the sole expense of bringing public property to current code requirements. The city is making a fairly clear declaration of property ceedure as near as i can figure. As in to say: " We as Portland counsel give this property to the business owner. Because we transferred responsibility to him by having him pay for requied updates. "
Where do people think the money comes from if the city does the work?
That is city easement. Why do you pay taxes? If it were me I would blast this all over the internet.
$100k builds a small house. If you are telling me you repair and modernize a sidewalk for that I can tell that you are scamming me.
I can not even feel sorry for this guy. Has he not looked at the news about Portland for the last several years? If someone wants a long term successful business you would not want to do it in Portland. It would be like doing a kidney transport on someone with stage four lung and pancreatic cancer. Why bother.
what are they charging for a pint to make this work? I see it's $31.00 per person (minimum 2 people) per lane for 1 1/2 hrs.
$75,000/pint. All it takes is one person who doesn't ask the price.
I don't expect the city to help businesses. Just don't actively screw them.
Sidewalks are the city's property. They must fix it, not the owner. of the store
i would rather deal with mafia boss then that city they would probably give you a better deal now that really saying something LOL
Did'nt the businessman check out cost's before deciding to open a business? Seem's to me that would be the first thing you would do before opening?
God just leave! Get the hell out of there! Portland was once beautiful and amazing. Now it’s over. All good things come to an end.
maybe don't give your money away to all those phoney programs and use the money for public works, like what it's for. This is simply corruption, investigate these criminals
People are sueing the state and cities and you're the one fitting the bill.
Public sidewalks are the responsibility of the city works dept. Utility poles are the responsibility of the utility company. This is insane!
This is Marxism.
No they're not. The utility poles are, but the sidewalks typically belong to whomever it is that owns the land they pass through. I don't agree with that, I think it makes far more sense to make the sidewalks the expense of the municipality, but it isn't. That's why you get people being sued because their sidewalks are uneven or not shoveled if somebody falls, not the city.
The city typically just has an easement to allow people to walk along the sidewalk without needing permission from the landowners to do so. It's pretty much just the corners where the city workers typically have anything to do with the sidewalk and only because that's necessary to allow people to cross the street as part of the design of the road.
Why are tax payers on the hook for what a business FOR PROFIT wants to do... I'm all for development but it has to be fair for all
@@SmallSpoonBrigade speak not of things to which you know nothing about...
@@SmallSpoonBrigade PUBLIC sidewalk, not PRIVATE sidewalk
This makes the city looks, bad, corrupt, and incompetent. This is ridiculous.
That's why we need more friendly city leaders and support democrats
@@khawmtiti4460yeah support Democrats 😂 look what that's done to All west coast Cities. Keep Voting the same sh*t and expect different results 💯🤤
@@khawmtiti4460 I’m not necessarily supporting blue or red politics I’m just saying there should be a better way to finance this without turning off and turning away businesses who could contribute positively to the cities GDP.
@@richard09able that's a mistake
That's because they ate all those things.
The public expects their tax dollars to pay for these things, not business. Portland is a better example of a failed city than Detroit.
In 2020 the city of Detroit, did not see riots and vandalism on anywhere near the scale Portland did. Detroit's police had made a point of getting to know people, and activists, and when George Floyd died, there were orderly protests, unlike Portland and Seattle.
Issues like these are why cities loose their population, blue or red. If there is not safety, reasonable policies, and a conducive business environment people move elsewhere. While San Francisco is a casebook example cities that need revitalization need to consider updating codes such as these, look into alternative revenue streams ( California is good at this) etc.
@@McDago100 Detroit is a dump that died in 1967. Its more corrupt than any banana republic you can name.
Detroit is actually rebounding. Downtown is actually nice and pretty clean and safe for a big city.
@@Swoleminer71 You must be a relative of Duggan the corrupt elf. You can have detroit, move your kids there and send them to school with the animals.........
I would close up shop and leave town.
Let that building sit empty and watch the vagrants vandalize and spray paint it. Then check back city and see how their side walk project is working out.
This is beyond insane what these people are doing to the city.
This must be thought up by the same fools who decided to turn two lane roads into one lane roads that cause grind lock thru out the city for no reason other than to have people sit and idle in traffic all day.
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yep this guy is not the business pro he thinks he is. HAS to be a hidden back story on his actions.
@@xusmico187 They did say it's his busiest location, so maybe he crunched the numbers and decided it was worth it. If that's the case, then the city might be smart to let business owners - who will ultimately make bank being in Portland - eat those costs up front instead of making the taxpayer cover them.
He's there because he wants to be there.. a hipster who is trying to cater to other hipsters... The fad of axe throwing has worn off and now only appeals to the hipsters who already dress like lumberjacks....going anywhere else would be like moving your ice factory to Alaska and wondering why you sales nose dived..
If I were this guy I’d tell Portland to stick it and locate elsewhere.
Wise move.
I wish you and your business the best!
@@darthtechnologies553you generated $300mil in state taxes? You sound like a bit of an exaggerator, or a person who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. The entire state of California lost out on just over 300million in taxes in 2021 😂. You’re so full of bullshit, if you actually are involved with any sort of business, i’d advise your clients to look elsewhere 😂😂
@@darthtechnologies553 Good job... MORe people need to leave..
I was born and raised in Portland. I moved from that POS puddle over ten years ago because I could see where it was heading. Sadly, it has become one of the most corrupt cities in the U.S. - it's absolutely embarrassing! I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would want to live there, let alone start a business - wtf?!
Portlandia should have served as a warning to those still there at the time , my last pdx stint was in the 80's.....
.californication is real
I plan on leaving soon. F this place!
@@TheJeffbarrett i also lived in seattle , but quit visiting 20 yrs ago........left the coast finally , and rarely cross the cascades any more ...cities aren't worth it any more , and the politics are a curdled miasma
After you left the city improved. I guess POS people make a POS city so, thank you for leaving
It's such a shame Portland was an amazing city once upon a time
The irony of making it ADA compliant is that city does not maintain its own rules and had to be sued for ADA violations from homeless encampments.
ADA is federal law and no city has the legal standing to lower the standards.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade tell that to cities where encampments block all access on sidewalks.
Did you notice the corner all ready had a wheel chair ramp, but the city was requiring 2. One in each direction rather than one large one in the middle!
so ... the homeless pay NO taxes, yet expect to have ADA accessible areas, for areas they are ILLEGALLY living in ???
@@rhuephus no I think the point is that the homeless camping on the sidewalks are making the sidewalks non ADA compliant
New Jersey: Let's make doing business expensive and regulate it so businesses leave and new businesses do not come.
Portland: Hold my beer.
When Seattle is cheap by comparison, you know you have a problem.
IMO Did you know that when Walmart is looking for property to buy, they ask the city on a tax deferred plan between 10 to 25 years. That means Walmart doesn't pay property taxes for 10 years.
Now if the city rejected Walmart, they just pick up and leave and go elsewhere. And the towns and cities don't get jobs and money a Walmart can bring.
Now because Walmart is getting tax deferred, other businesses have to pick up their check.
Just like Revel Casino. They stopped building until Governor Christie gave them a 10 deferment on the taxes. But just under 10 years, the casino files for bankruptcy and the state gets nothing until the sale of the building.
We want businesses here, but who is willing to pay the tab for a business to get a tax break?
@@crazyknarf And most cities will factor in the increased revenue from the sales tax the business will generate. Unless the projections from this exceed the loss in property tax, they won't make the deal. The property tax on a bare piece of land does not generate much revenue at all for a city.
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You’re a drinker. That about sums it up. Have another.
City sidewalks should be the city's responsibility... Tax dollars.
their tax base is leaving....they're going broke...
Set up a massive tent on the side walk and run your business from there. The city will even take care of the trash for you.
And you don’t have to pay taxes or for water since your customers can just piss where they want.
Trying to set up a Portland small business; $260,000 in fees and requirements - setting up a tent on a public street making people walk around it; free!, sanitation for said tent - just fling it and a city worker will clean it up for free! What exactly are the educational backgrounds of Portland's mayor, city council and other city leaders?
I’m pretty sure Portland’s officials are all products of the most Progressive universities in the country. That’s where they’re freed of the last shreds of common sense and taught how to be skilled deniers of reality.
Bingo!!!!!!!!!! They're all dumber than dirt.
They read Mao's little red book.
Diverse yes men
Probably took some do nothing courses in a Liberal Arts college.
Bla, bla, bla...Give us money....Bla, bla, bla.. Note to self: cancel lease, rent truck, load truck, lock door, drive away, don't look back...
If the business pays for the sidewalks does that make the sidewalks private property?
The scam is. He fixes it. Somebody gets hurt on the public part of the sidewalk. Sues the city. Then, the city sues him.
Our little city had homeowners pay for sidewalk repair in front of their houses. One friend of mine, a concrete worker, said that he could do the work cheaper than what he was being charged. He also said that his sidewalk benefitted the entire block, therefore the entire block should pay for the repair. The city scoffed at him. So, after the repair was completed he and his son put up a toll booth on his part of the sidewalk to help "Raise money for the repair and maintenance" of the sidewalk. It was hilarious. The city didnt agree, though.
All those fees are nothing more than a shakedown.
Yeah they’re shaking him down. He wants everything done for free. If he doesn’t want to pay that’s fine. He can put his business someplace else. What’s the issue? He owns a lot of businesses and he’s complaining about $250,000? Wah wah. The city wants me to share some cost. Wah wah.
Please.
I thought it was bad here in New York. There is no way in earth I'll move to Oregon, especially Portland. I've lived all over the country and these governments now days taxing their people to death is disgusting. Portland will be the new Detroit with vast swaths of vacant areas.
Jeez, Portland. How disconnected does a group of bureaucrats have to be to think those costs are reasonable? Having a polished spokesperson explain that stupid is really smart doesn't help.
Not disconnected but corrupt.
The money goes in their pockets somehow.
What the city of portland really needs is not just a new management structure. They need to replace all the managers, elected and appointed with new sensible people.
@@davej7458 What the city of Portland needs is new voters.
Portland residents supports those laws and fees.
he was a glad hander
Not trying to be a jerk, but as an outsider, over the last 2 or 3 years, I get the impression that Portland really despises its own residents.
They do. You can only despise everyone else for so long, before turning it inward.
Liberals, idea's so great they have to be made mandatory.
Why would Anyone open anything in Portland now?!
Why would anyone even stop to take a piss in Portland?
We’ll it is axe throwing, there are some practical benefits.
@@wthornton9526
Only if they use politicians for targets.
Another reason I no longer do business in Portland. I just gave away the last of my business interests there to get out.
Portland should have already fixed the ADA sidewalk accessibility, not wait for a new business to open and pay for it, craziness. Shame on Portland Citizens that made this a regulation.
You should run for mayor. Sounds like you have it all figured out. Everything is so simple when you’re on the job. 😮
I feel no sorrow for any of the problems experienced by the residents of Portland. They created this chaos, and now they can live with it.
Democracy is giving the voters what they want, good and hard.
Meh. Elections have been rigged forever. Voters matter little and can't be blamed for the outcomes that are determined by those counting the ballots.
@@WarpigPSUits very ironic that those are the same people that have "save democracy/voting matters) stickers on their cars, yet they are the ones voting to turn once great places into shitholes.
I am glad that I moved out of Portalnd, lol.
Yeah your city is immune to problems. Good job. 😢
What if he would have opened his business in middle of the block rather than the corner? Would he still have to put in those curb ramps? Dont other businesses on the block benefit from this so why arent they paying part of it?
Stop making sense.
People who could never run a business telling people who do run a business how to do it...
How does a small business stay open when having to pay $160k in fees?
Not as bad as this, but Boston is the same way. Many small shops can't deal with the fees. Fees used to prop up the bloated bureaucratic city government.
Someone has to fund corporate America's subterranean world
@@judycorbridge6470100%. We wouldn’t want any socioeconomic mobility now would we? Only billionaires are allowed to make any significant money here. Everyone else is expected to subsidize their “success”.
They voted for this. Voting has consequences.
Voters: “ we’re to lazy, stupid, and cheap to deal with this, we want others to do it for us. “
Politicians: “ Ok, we gave you what you wanted, now here’s the bill! “
Voters: “ wait! NO!! Other people are supposed to pay for it! Not me!! Wahhhh! “
Right?
Dumb saying of the year.
They voted for it.
You can look at any city in any state. Choose an issue and say, “they voted for it”.
It’s just dumb.
It’s not helpful and it’s childish. Instead of childish finger pointing how about some real solutions?
Yeah thought not.
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What is the surprise to me is that a new business would even think Portland in the current climate is a good place to do business.
You have to be crazy to open there
'Modernizing'. What a curious term to describe what is going on in Portland. And as far as reputation goes , I'd say that Portland has all that and a bag of chips.
"Modernizing" is Portland's definition of creating a business environment with high crime and homelessness to shut down businesses and discourage any new businesses. They think their new "tax base" will be the millions of homeless people
ADA street corners have been law since the early 1980s. Why hasn't Portland installed them city wide in 40 years???
Because they stole all the money that was suppose to be used for it,
@@kdmigloo Bought articulated buses with it!
@@rondye9398 Sure keep drinking the koolaid
They just a few years ago have changed the specs for the ramps you cannot just have a concrete ramp like that. You have those fiberglass dotted flat traction inserts all around louisville it’s gave pork barrel money to the city to break all of the existing ones and installed the dot ramps in the concrete.
Out, of, CONTROL!!!!! Please Portland officials, let’s make life even MORE horrible than you’ve made it. Wow….
Clean up the sidewalks for the tents coming...
This is insane, disgusting and counterintuitive. That corner will be overrun by graffiti and homelessness when the business owner eventually abandons that place. Maybe that’s what the city wants? 🥴
Are they purposely self-sabotaging the city??
Why would anyone start a business in Oregon?
East Oregon is essentially Idaho . Portland is it’s own world
It would be great if we could wall off the northwest corner of Oregon and let them rot in their own garbage.
In this businesses location, there is an ADA ramp, they shouldn't have to upgrade it. This is crazy! Apartment developers are digging up the streets to connect utilities and the patching back a strip of asphalt that will get chewed up by the busses in a year or two. Make them do thier due diligence as well. Look at Burnside, Belmont or Division Sts on the eastside as examples.
Here in Palo Alto, CA, about 20 years ago, ADA sidewalk ramps were installed in every neighborhood, at enormous expense. Then, about seven years later, many of them had to be torn out and replaced with slightly different ramps because some bureaucrat in DC changed the regulations - again at enormous expense. I guess when you’re spending someone else’s money, the sky’s the limit.
@@doverbeachcomber I feel like it's the same situation here.
Portland can't get out of its own way. There are so many small businesses priced out by just one of those $100K+ charges, much less two of them. That holds particularly true for businesses willing to locate in and help improve run-down areas versus just opening their doors in an already-improved and generally better area of town.
5:20 Isn't the contribution the business is making to the city in the form of tax revenue? It seems like cities like Portland won't be happy until we are all living like it is the stone age.
Makes one wonder with all these permits and fees who is benefiting from this and filling their pockets. This was unheard of years ago. I had to pay 350 dollars for a building permit to move a manufactured house that was already built on a piece of property. These crooks are pocketing money and nobody can tell me different.
What's really interesting is that making a place to throw axes generates enough money that this guy could actually meet the city's requests.
Maybe the customers are working off their frustration over living in such a benighted city. I’m sure it’s very therapeutic!
Why should he even bother?
The businesses make their contribution to the city through their TAXES! Requiring a business to fund independently the city's infrastructure is paying for it twice (if not more).
Crazy, what do people and businesses in Portland pay property taxes for? The prices are also way out of line.
And thus, one of the reasons that it will take Portland more than 10 years to recover.....
More than ten years to recover? That’s optimistic.
I’m sorry, but if that was an office space (presumably open to the public) prior to this, why weren’t there ramps installed there before? Why is it up to an owner to make sure a public sidewalk is ADA compliant?
He's obviously had the lobotomy, no sympathy here...
I agree, opening a business in Portland is suicide, if the fees don't take your business out the next up and coming riot will.
Just board the whole thing up so the city council can finally claim victory.
How is it a private business responsibility to maintain a public owned piece of road? That road should be maintained with tax money. Slice the salaries of all of the city council by half and I guarantee thats enough money to fix a lot of these street issues. If the business has to pay for the road in front of its business, then at least the business should own that piece of road.
"We're modernizing our sidewalks so people with disabilities can access businesses and housing". I have no disabilities and I can't access most of the businesses downtown without walking through an addict's living room.
I think this "businessman" failed to do even a minimum of due diligence.
Keep voting democrat, though.
That's crazy, as a small business owner myself I opened a manufacturing business in a small town where they were happy that someone was renovating the old dilapidated building and creating jobs. We opened a 30,000 sq. ft. factory with just paying a $30.00 business license from the city and a $50.00 merchants license from the county. They even gave us a tax deferment for five years. The historic building was likely going to collapse if nothing was done to prevent it so we spent tens of thousands of dollars on materials and many hours of labor over six months to get it to a point where it was stable and we were able to start working in it, the city was happy and said nothing about not having permits, the mayor did several walk throughs and was pleased the building was getting this restoration. That's how you attract businesses to your area not piling bills upon them especially at start-up. Had this been their first location it probably would have ended before it opened!
Where is this lol? The small town I used to live in was a perfect example of how to slowly kill an entire local economy with zoning laws and local regulations.
My business left Portland in 2014. The "City that works" had my business duplicate listed & even after numerous verbal & email contacts, still after 1 year later had not corrected it & continued to bill me with penalty fees. Just got that same letter again last month .
Ain’t sidewalks repairs the city and state job and not the business owner
Homeowner here. We paid $2,500 to replace the sidewalk in front of our house after I tripped on it. We also maintain the elm tree on city property in front of our house. Plus a $10k property tax bill, and a front row seat to camp fires, gas cans, drug use and all sorts of lawlessness in the industrial district. Do your research before you buy a house...not that Portland is affordable or worth it.