Oregon’s drug decriminalization program is not much like Portugal’s, actually
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Voters approved Measure 110 in 2020, decriminalizing small amounts of hard drugs and directing tax money toward treatment programs. Though it was inspired by Portugal's decriminalization in 2001, Oregon's measure didn't hew very closely to what proved effective for the European nation.
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Salute to Portugal. Well done KGW News.
Politicians, please don’t cite Portugal if nit are not really following what they really trying to do.
The difference between the USA and Portugal is that the Portuguese government actually cares about addicts being in treatment to beat their drug addictions. The American government does not care. Plus we don't have subsidized drug programs supported by the government. It's all political in the USA.
doesn't our federal gov't help pay for rehab centers across the country?
The main difference also is Portugal's lower population and culture which makes decriminalization more manageable.
@@nogreatreset8506 whst does a "lower population" have do with it, Commie?
Do you think Portugal has the same culture as Norway?
Also, I just told you: it's already worked with Marijuana. And now with psychedelics.
I really appreciate this reporting.
Yes I'm really impressed too
We are not yet enlightened enough here in the U.S. on a governmental level to deal with this type of social problem intelligently.
FINALLY someone reporting on this. I've been saying this since DAY ONE regarding 110.
some people are putting too much focus on use
preventing deaths from over dose is the most important issue
that can be done without punishing the users
open safe injection sites all over Oregon
that would reduce OD deaths
NYC's overdose prevention centers have save hundreds of lives
ruclips.net/video/S411hbyidig/видео.html
Finally a reporter who’s more than just a message man! One who questions everything and investigates to make sure the information is correct
is trump your only true way of life? does he tell you the truth?
@@59plexi oh noooo..That would be your right hand man of course,, Joe O'bidummy..Seriously u sound more idiotic than English language words can provide for a proper description
Great video. I was in Portugal for a month last summer. It is a wonderful country, low crime, great infrastructure, nice people. This story just amplifies the good vibes I got from my time in Portugal.
one of those social workers was asked by an American journalist if the Portuguese law would work in the US and he said "no"....there is much that goes behind the scenes besides decriminalization......without that it will fail!
Like institutionalizing the insane
It requires a lot of coordination, and plenty of state support. In Portugal it is covered by the healthcare, too, so it is not directly paid by the patients, but by the state trough taxes.
It needs a full data base of the patients, active support towards the patients, needs infrastructure to provide to X addicts in a Y km/mile area, rehabilitation programs, a vast testing system... Plus the police has to be involved and have acess to the data base of the addicts, to know if they are listed or not when comes to treatment.
The biggest issue in my opinion, is the lack of free healthcare. That would mean that, even with most of what i described on the previous paragraph, about 90% of the treatments would come from the patient's pockets. Would mean that only people of midclass or above could recieve such support, when is clear it is rampant on the poorer corners of the US.
Great reporting. I was wondering why Portugal's result was so different from Portland's.
Cause treatment is involuntary
Bc Portugal enacted these laws waaay before fentynal was on the streets..Fentynal will basically be almost impossible for hard-core addicts to withdrawal from.. it is insane withdrawal
Because Portland is run by idiots.
i think the problem here is that there is no real interest in helping addicts, they are still looked down upon by society
Yeah, the system that they have built was based on the foundation of "universal" Healthcare. We don't have that and it doesn't seem to be coming in coming years, we'll be stuck with this issue for another decade or so.
doesn't our federal gov't help pay for rehab centers across the country?
Too much niceness, not enough kindness.
Portugal also has high taxes, VERY low incomes, and govt works very very slow. 110 just needs to be REPEALED because we are MUCH WORSE NOW than before it was enacted!!
no
the state needs to take some of the federal money allocated for opioid treatment
and build safe injection sites all over Oregon
that would reduce OD deaths
which should be the main focus
not use
NYC's overdose prevention centers have save hundreds of lives
ruclips.net/video/S411hbyidig/видео.html
Drugs are useful tools we can use to make our lives better. There is nothing inherently bad about drugs. People can end up using them in bad ways, but that is always due to the person's life circumstances and mental health. (For example if it wasn't abusing drugs they would likely be doing something else bad.) We need to have smart policies grounded in science and compassion, not fear & punishment. Millions of people use drugs responsibly and never have problems. That's our human right. My body my choice. #NoMoreDrugWar
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9:26 Pat and the right wing professor buried the most important part at the end: Portugal has single-payer healthcare so when drug users need drug treatment it costs little or nothing
And you’re missing the detail that Portugal is ranked in the bottom third of health care technology in the world. Hmmmm… wonder why that is??! TheUS is number one? Wonder why there’s a gap in healthcare tech 😅
@@jimdoe3288 Jimmy you're a great example of why we need universal healthcare so crazies like you and David DePape can finally get some professional help
"Right wing professor" you sound like a hysterical doofus who thinks Narcan grows on trees.
@@RyanRuark "Humphreys served as a Member of the White House Commission on Drug-Free Communities under President George W. Bush"
@@ISHOT420 Site your source please. What I’m finding is it’s Switzerland. Plus who cares who is best if you can’t afford to go to the hospital?
Great news piece , it was extremely accurate and informative. As a Portuguese citizen i often see mis information spread in other news outlets regarding our system, but you really did a good job presenting the facts . Unfortunately i don't believe our system works in the US as of now, the scale of the country alone and the healthcare system is enough to prove this. This is a system designed for small social economys.
Excellent point. IMO, Portugal rehab program is very difficult to copy in the US. Vancouver BC, Canada tried the same thing and it's a disaster.
Simply making drugs "illegal" is a stupid thing to do. Anybody with half a brain can predict the results of a system that has no consequences, nor treatment plan.
They still put people in jail for sales of drug and theft and shoplifting. They also have fines and really seem to push rehabilitation. They aren't dealing with fentanal.
They need to do this entire nation wide in the USA ... Look at the other countries that did it .. Portugal has no outdoor open use drug use...this needs to be done in America... Look at it this way .. either there going to quit or hardcore the drug ..
So 24 people had a free vacation to portugal for over two weeks.
Nice!!
Why do we need to watch a video chat? Portland Oregon has adopted one part of the needed policies and programs. The US health system is severely lacking and is the major part of this and many other issues.
This is NOT Harm Reduction. Look up the definition.
some people are putting too much focus on use
preventing deaths from over dose is the most important issue
that can be done without punishing the users
open safe injection sites all over Oregon
that would reduce OD deaths
Or they could you know stick to beneficial drugs like MJ, and psychedelics, and not do hard drugs and ruin your health instead of improving it
Portugal only has 8k homeless...usa has 100k...... usa can't do the same as portugal
Too much taxpayer money is going into the military. Not healthcare.
each state can handle the addicts that live in it's borders
safe injection sites are what i recommend
to reduce OD deaths which should be the focus
NYC's overdose prevention centers have save hundreds of lives
ruclips.net/video/S411hbyidig/видео.html
@@robinsss it is the first step, yes. I remember in the early 2000's the first part of the program here in Lisbon was have a place where addicts could recieve clean syringes and a cubicle where they could take their chosen drug with medical observation. Just that reduced the HIV and overdose deaths. The next step would be provide counseling, and step by step reduce to smaller or less doses, until was manageable.
@@robinsss yes get them off the streets
It's a question of priorities. In the US public healthcare is done on the cheap (and winds up being the world's most expensive). That's reflected in the absence of a proper structure for a serious drug use program in Oregon. Military spending? The sky's the limit.
Excellent. I currently live in Portugal, and it’s great. Rarely see homeless. Oregon is special to me, and I hope to move back. I sure hope Oregon can move towards solutions that work, as they have done in Portugal. Great segment. Obrigado!
i’m very interested in moving there honestly, how much is housing and such? are people okay with someone from america coming there to help with harm reduction and such? i feel it may save my life.
@@LIVEMETRIX187 it’s very affordable, in comparison to the USA. Lisbon, Porto, and Algarve are more expensive, due to high demand. It takes a while for the process of immigration to work its way thru the system. You should be aware of that if you are seriously considering it. I can put you in touch with a firm to assist you if you want.
My only problem with decriminalization of hard drugs, is that it does nothing to stop the ancillary criminal behavior generated by the need to obtain the substance...if you really want to make drugs decriminalized, you have to control its sales so the product is consistent AND the profit margin must be controlled in order to not force people to commit crimes to support their habit...it cant be a strategy to generate tax revenue...it must be truly altruistic.....just sayin...
If you are heavily addicted to heroin, you can get your dose prescribed. The methadone buses can be found everywhere in the cities. Those who do not want to be treated get also provided with clean utensils like clean syringes etc.
@@ricardofernandes616 are you from Portugal? I've heard of those busses but they ain't here...lol
Bravo 👏 this is an excellent interview. Run this on loop at every town and city council meeting
The main issues I see here is the lack of universal health care and a culture that says addiction is a personal failing.
Our society seeing this as a personal failing kills the social push to get help and even if we did get over that without universal healthcare there's no help to give.
Exactly, well said! We need to start thinking more like a community and less like independents.
It is a personal failing, if your weak you have no chance. By the way Portugal for example has a lower population and different culture decriminalization would not work in America and Mexico is next door which is known to contribute to increasing drug use and trafficking which would make decriminalization ineffective.
No, not entirely. Universal healthcare is one part of the equation. Humphrey's argument is that there's no social pressures to get people to seek treatment. In Portugal they pressure you to get treatment and then start involving the police if you refuse. In Oregon no such pressures exist.
@@Vorock16 Oregon has made the decision to show false "compassion" by literally killing addicts with kindness. It is a passive approach, which encourages the use of drugs and all the negative aspects of the lifestyle without the incentive/pressure to get off of them and into a healthier lifestyle.
@@nogreatreset8506 it's already worked for marijuana
Wtf are you talking about?
Your failed socialist drug war failed long ago
Portugal has a better health system, than usa oregon
In my country Indonesia, drug abuse is strictly forbidden by law. There.are not drug people wandering on the streets, the police would take them to office.
If we used the exact program as Porugal, many of the homeless people who use drugs would make an efort to get off the streets so they could use there drugs. I believe the number of homeless people would change quickly
Well said Pat, as always you do a great job.
The money they had to help those people went to paying part of their wages to people that would give them work. The money here goes in some politicians pocket for their hot rod on new pool or some expensive 6 month vacation. When will we get people in those positions that actually care what happens next?
Never. This is America.
'''''The money they had to help those people went to paying part of their wages to people that would give them work''''
specifically?
@@robinsss
There is articles about it. The one I read was a guy that knew how to work on cars so a guy hired him after he got out of treatment. He did really good and had his life back together, at least at that time. I hope he stayed clean and got on with his life.
And look at the results. Homeless up, crime up, people and businesses are moving out or going under.
110 needs to be repealed. It is time for every Oregonian to stomach that, and then demand it from Tina Kotek and the legislature.
I dont care what the portugeses say. Nobody is going to tell me that the solution to drugs is to make them cheaper and to give you an appointment for a chat. 🤦♂️
Excellent report! We need this here.
I wonder how Portugal dealt with startup pains when this system was beginning to be implemented 20 years ago. We are comparing a relatively young system with one that has had time to re adjust and zero in on what works
Making it a health issue and not a criminal issue is a step in the right direction
It was studied, planned and organized by experts, not politicians. Some adjustments have been made but the system is basically the same from the beginning.
It sounds like Portugal developed a comprehensive program to attack its drug addiction problem. The American way is for a group of well-meaning bureaucrats to come up with some idea that no longer punishes bad behavior and hopes against all hope that it will change their behavior. Portugal's program seems like it took this into account and forces a user to take personal responsibility. That's something you don't see in the U.S.
The main thing is that the portuguese system tries to adress the underlining causes of drug addiction. As well as the consequences. People who resort to drugs because of mental health or economic problems are helped and younger people who are starting with lighter drugs are "manipulated" by skilled psychologists. Also the decriminalization reduced the allure of using drugs to show off for the "bad boys". Otoh, advanced drug users have help to keep them of the streets and to resort to criminality to get drugs.
Portugal is doing it the correct way... But if America did this. 50,% of our government business would close....or decrease in size ... parole office.. detox places ... Jails .. everything related to illegal drugs ...😅
And the USA government don't want this... They'd lose to much $ and business
When it comes down to it, they're gonna gave to spend money. Any plan that doesn't involve spending money is just not going to work.
Drug court is making a HUGE difference, where I live. It sounds a lot like what they're talking about.
It's actually cheaper than a system where drug use is criminalized and that requires more police, courts, prisons, etc.
The problem in America is ...our government basically expects US citizens to hide in doors with there choice of drug....but this outdoor drug use in America is disgusting that kids have to see this ...I believe in letting drug use happen... Decriminalized it yes....but not use it open public ...😅
Spot on! Cartel running the show here in Portland
How about be like Singapore? Isn’t no addicts the best for health and society?
Did we forget about or cannabis tax or something?
Great analysis
Bro we don’t got treatment facilities for these people they don’t need to be in jail I get but they need help
The guy from Portugal sounds higher than the grand canyon 😅
Yes. Getting ready to leave where I am at. No time to chat right now. Sorry. Have a good night.
This video should have a lot more views
It's like Aldous Huxley's book called:
Brave New World
My brother lost his life to an overdose of Opioids.
What the government is doing will only lead to the massive loss of life.
If you don't address the root causes of addiction and homelessness there won't be significant changes. We need Housing and Universal Healthcare! We need a just and equitable society.
The root cause is someone is just too weak, they can't keep themself to face this world and themself.No body can save them except themselves.
@@yangyang74 I guess you've got it all together, huh?
@@yangyang74 You're perspective isn't realistic, or based on real life experience. People aren't weak because they experience problems in their life. I'd say get therapy. Your view of people is clearly unhealthy and conflict oriented.
@@karlabritfeld7104 I guess you can see very very less of homeless is Chinese , maybe here is something different? If you working 7 days a week you won’t be homeless in the USA. No matter what kind of this work.
doesn't our federal gov't help pay for rehab centers across the country?
portugal population is small and a very small country
oregon has good healthcare. i have it and it is very adequate.
Ridiculous
Isn’t it funny we never ask the cops the ones on the ground doing the job seeing all the other crimes drugs cause lol
welcome anyone from anywhere, enjoy your drug and refuse to do any hard work, Oregon will take care of you!
Lol, good job democrats 👏
Portugal also doesn't give all their money to places like Ukraine and Israel
Hi guys 😁
Time to start holding the politicians accountable. And allllll the non profits who have been skimmin off the top
the people of oregon voted for it.
@@christopherpederson1021 the Western side of the state voted for it. 6 counties to be exact. The money gets dispersed via the state government to non profits who then abuse, through misappropriation and misallocation, the funds. Its time to start holding these non profits accountable. There has never been more money in the system for mental health and addiction, but yet the problem is getting worse? Checks and balance friend. There needs to be some measure of accountability. And right now, there isn’t. It doesn’t matter who voted for it. Its a racket like any other. The measure needs to be amended.
Sadly addicted homeless in other States find this out and flock here. Everytime I meet a homeless person more times than not they are from another State.
Oregon has plenty of homeless born and bred in Oregon. I talked to them too.
@@karlabritfeld7104 I never said it didn't. I'm just pointing out the law has encouraged addicts to move here. I live on the coast. They flock here from all over the U. S.
Why do you hate someone for trying to change their life for the better? Doesn't it make sense that people will go where they'll have a better chance of being accepted? Your statement is xenophobic.
@@crustycarhartt Never said anything about hate. You apparently are one of those internet trolls that read into things. Smh
@@Tranqualthoughts You're clearly making a hateful remark. You are generalizing homeless people, and people suffering addictions, with your statement. You're seeking to stereotype people by saying most of them are from other states, as if people seeking better lives for themselves is a problem.
Portugal Population: 10mil
West Coast of USA Population: 51.225mil
I’d say the problem stateside is a little different. Culture being a big one, the west coast is largely devoid of family values, community values and accountability. There’s people literally shitting on the sidewalks in San Francisco.
there's also people literally pissing on the sidewalks here in portugal. i've seen it multiple times.
@@virtualsnake1994that’s a problem in a lot of countries
as a recovering addict i want to see measure 110 do better that way more addicts can get the help they need lets make it a better program not repeal it don't give in to the rednecks!
It's like Aldous Huxley's book called:
Brave New World
My brother lost his life to an overdose of Opioids.
What the government is doing will only lead to the massive loss of life.
I'm a addict enable me and I'll never quit there has to be consequenses for my actions
no shit
I'm a addict enable me and I'll never quit there has to be consequenses for my actions