Crim: "Can anyone do anything about Prime time?" Phil: "I could... try to copy it?" Sheldon, from beyond the grave: *Gestures at board, gives stern look.*
Crim: You'll get a Howling mine trigger, and a Dictate of Kruhpix trigger Phil: Can I draw for them? Crim: Definitely not! It's so hard watching those two play because I can't decide who I'm rooting for more in these situations
FWIW, Fastbond doesn't deal you damage when you play an extra land with it, just whenever you play more than your first land. So even if you have exploration, the land drop for exploration still would deal you damage.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander good. Keep it that way... (they are banned because of all the copy and return spells not because the person played it actually won, but because you can't play after it comes down well when its normally legal).
@@atk9989 I dont need to imagine it, i LIVED thru it... it was on artifact resurrection but the same idea still apply. in fact, Sundering Titan has become EVEN better with all the artifact support and functional blink decks after its banning. Sylvan Primordial was its second comming too.
I don't often like spelltable types of magic, but the face cams, and editing quality was great. I think the current player border should be orange for branding and it sticks out better than blue. Also, the breaks in between with just faces is always nice to feel more like in person. 🎉
As a almost 20 year veteran player, Ive seen countless hours of MTG content. And by far and beyond, watching the four of you play is my absolute favorite content. It feels like homies playing at the kitchen table. Amazing work! Keep it going!
Dude, holy shit, this. Did I miss something on the battlefield forcing Seth to sorcery speed smugglers into a blind obedience?? Was this, like, a content thing where doing the optimal play is lame for the viewers/view count?? I'm so confused and it's fucking with me really hard.
It was more about everyone being tapped out, he played around counterspells. I think it's fine as a play, emrakul is very hard to answer so it's not that likely someone will have an answer and even less a way to steal it
@@Suppaichuoh man, idk. I feel like putting an emrakul into play sorcery speed with a blind obedience in play and a full board of creatures in play for your opponents is just asking for it. Personally I'm risking the Richard's EoT smugglers and if it gets countered I just untap and take my turn, likely not on anyone's radar that turn cycle. He died because 3 players were united in their hate against annihilator 6.
I think of the cards on the Banlist Sylvan Primordial is one of the most deserving. Lots of the banned cards would be regulated by rule 0 most of the time like the power 9, Leovold, Time Vault, etc. But Sylvan Primordial would be in every single green deck forever being absolutely disgusting.
@@AMageOldAsDirt Sylvan, Golos and Prime Time will only get more powerful as we get more Utility lands and Lands with Basic Land Types. Like right now if you are in 3 Colors you can Get 2 Surveil lands and some minor Lifegain or an extra 1/1.
@@RyuPlaneswalker sylvan has to get a forest so it's held back by that. Golos and PrimeTime are any land though and do get a lot better as we get more utility things.
I came back to edh after prime time banning and my new play group showed me sylvan. I immediately said this is worse. So I made a reanimator deck and cast this on turn 2 everyone agreed. Blowing up 3 lands on turn 2 and grabbing 3 mana for myself.
Seth literally picked the dragon i built my very first commander deck around back at Return to Ravnica. (only my build was just janky self mill and obviously no banned cards)
"Should sylvan primordial stay banned?" On etb it can blow up 3 lands, gets you 3 lands. Just flickering it or having a panharmonicon in play can put you 6 lands ahead and your opponents 2 lands each behind
To be fair, those are likely to be just normal pleb lands, no game win lands. If spending a lot of mana to get a lot of mana was a mortal sin, Boundless Realms would be banned, but it's pretty far from it.
God, I really loved this one. I was so hoping for Crim to play draw sevens and punishers and then the Intro showed Leovold and Hullbreacher - Chefs Kiss!
Richard playing the same deck he plays every other week looks a little "bringing a knife to a gun fight". Dowsing dagger a little less scary when you're staring down Fastbond and Sylvan primordial 😅... even funnier watching him cast a cartographer's hawk off an underground sea
I kinda liked that ithighlights how broken green is with all the ramp to catapult it ahead, especially with the crazy fastbond and channel starts in each of the games
There was a slight misplay in game 1, didn't affect the outcome, however Crim's graveyard should have disappeared with the resolution of Farewell. Tef protect won't protect your graveyard or your library or your hand for that matter.
Fastbond's damage trigger happens any time a land is played and isn't the first. Even though Phil has multiple additional land effects, fastbond sees all extra land drops, and should have taken more damage. That's what makes fastbond "fair" hahaha
I think keeping the fast mana house ban but allowing the EDH official ban list gives a look at how fair some of the ban list cards are compared to things that are legal in the format.
It could be interesting to see a game with random restrictions that you don't normally see. Like all your cards have to be under $1, or you can't use any non-basic cards that contain the letter E in their name.
In the first game, Emrakul was put straight onto the battlefield from Seth's hand using Smuggler's share. Emrakul's extra turn happens when you cast her, and putting a permanent onto the battlefield isn't casting it, so Seth "merely" did it for the 15/15 flying Annihilator 6 with protection from colored spells
Sylvan primordial def does not need to be banned. There are tons of spells that ramp way more than 3 mana for less than 7 mana. Harvest season and traverse the Outlands comes to mind.
It does need to be banned. If it was a cast ability I would actually agree with you but unfortunately it isn't. So any deck that can blink it or cheat it into play can absolutely abuse that trigger. Plus you can hit lands with it so you can destroy your opponents lands AND ramp yourself. I have the card and have played it and I promise you it deserves to be banned.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" the banlist has been burned up! Will Phil unite the clans or will Crim use the most fair diplomacy ever? Tune-in to find out!
In a strange way, having everyone do broken stuff make this episode more enjoyiable than i spected. Maybe because the answer has allways being to unban it all
I think its because it is maybe freeing in a way. You dont have to worry about what is fair or not. And theres also other powerful plays that can rival the standard „let me ramp and draw a million cards“ way commander games often go. Ok…or at least they happen differently 😂
No, you leave it all banned, and if you want to play with these cards you organize a group to play with who are on the same page - just like these guys do.
"Is stax power level 7?" Well I guess you could say that it saps the power of the rest of the table, rather than being super powerful itself? Scales up against unfair things and gets bodied by more simple decks a lot of the time
damn, was hoping to see Braids here after reading the title. imagine a Leovold vs. Braids match.. must be miserable :D Edit: first time feeling like Seth was a lil salty or at least sad that he died the way he did. very rare to see him like that. might be wrong though.
The real reason why Sylvan Primordial is banned is because, like Dockside Extortionist, it can be flickered repeatedly. It happening once is strong but reasonable. But it happening two, three, four, five times? Absolutely devastating.
Crim didn't even do the worst things Leovold got banned for. Back when he was legal my friend turn 2 Leovold into turn 3 teferi's puzzle box and just locked us out of the game immediately.
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I think Tomer has assembled Kaldra more times than Richard has ramped with Cartographers Hawk...
I think that is factual
Please make this top comment so Richard can read it next week XD
@@michaelcho6484 that's only comments on the podcast videos
@@jackl8025still hope he sees it and finds humor in it
I don't think that's true but it's fun anyway 😂
Phil untapping with 6 mana and two cards on t2 is the most Phil thing. I love it!
its like me if i play "burgening" ^^
Sometimes I feel bad for him because it feels like the others tend to gang up on him. Shit like this explains why they do lol.
This is basically marking an X on its own head
Crim: "Can anyone do anything about Prime time?"
Phil: "I could... try to copy it?"
Sheldon, from beyond the grave: *Gestures at board, gives stern look.*
Best comment yet!!
I need a t-shirt that says "SHELDON WAS RIGHT"
Holy cow this made me cringe
Crim: You'll get a Howling mine trigger, and a Dictate of Kruhpix trigger
Phil: Can I draw for them?
Crim: Definitely not!
It's so hard watching those two play because I can't decide who I'm rooting for more in these situations
Same! They're definitely my favorite personalities on the goldfish channel
FWIW, Fastbond doesn't deal you damage when you play an extra land with it, just whenever you play more than your first land. So even if you have exploration, the land drop for exploration still would deal you damage.
@@RyanEglitis *Would. "Whenever you play a land, if it wasn’t the first land you played this turn, Fastbond deals 1 damage to you"
Huh... I was looking for this!
Sundering Titan and Recurring Nightmare really showing why they're banned, we love to see it.
I didn't even win though.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander good. Keep it that way... (they are banned because of all the copy and return spells not because the person played it actually won, but because you can't play after it comes down well when its normally legal).
@@eon2330right, imagine sundering titan in a blink deck getting the effect 2-5 times in a single turn.
@@atk9989 I dont need to imagine it, i LIVED thru it... it was on artifact resurrection but the same idea still apply. in fact, Sundering Titan has become EVEN better with all the artifact support and functional blink decks after its banning. Sylvan Primordial was its second comming too.
Yall soft af and it shows
This was one of the best Commander Clash!
Thanks!
Absolutely agreed! That is one of the best Commandergames I ever saw!
Well, Seth dying first both times confirms Richard's theory that if you play a game-winning card you get killed for it
*If you play a game winning card without intending to actually win.
I really like these experimental, what-if games! Would you guys ever do one where everyone has a silver-border commander?
That sounds amazing!
that would be amazing
Only if you get to use both pieces of BFG.
Watching Phil going from ALL the lands in game 1 to no lands in game 2 is just *chef's kiss*
I don't often like spelltable types of magic, but the face cams, and editing quality was great. I think the current player border should be orange for branding and it sticks out better than blue. Also, the breaks in between with just faces is always nice to feel more like in person. 🎉
As a almost 20 year veteran player, Ive seen countless hours of MTG content. And by far and beyond, watching the four of you play is my absolute favorite content. It feels like homies playing at the kitchen table. Amazing work! Keep it going!
Thanks!
you will never understand why prophet of kruphix is banned until all 4 players are running it.
Our turn, comrade.
@@davidrosenberg9615😂
If Seth had smugglers surprised at instant speed on Richard’s end-step, this may have been quite a different game 16:47
Dude, holy shit, this. Did I miss something on the battlefield forcing Seth to sorcery speed smugglers into a blind obedience?? Was this, like, a content thing where doing the optimal play is lame for the viewers/view count?? I'm so confused and it's fucking with me really hard.
@@HelloThere-uu8lnI think he just missed it
@@filiphorvath8932 oh jeez, I feel like I just saw him make a video on RUclips about pulling some tricks with smugglers and obliterator 😐
It was more about everyone being tapped out, he played around counterspells. I think it's fine as a play, emrakul is very hard to answer so it's not that likely someone will have an answer and even less a way to steal it
@@Suppaichuoh man, idk. I feel like putting an emrakul into play sorcery speed with a blind obedience in play and a full board of creatures in play for your opponents is just asking for it. Personally I'm risking the Richard's EoT smugglers and if it gets countered I just untap and take my turn, likely not on anyone's radar that turn cycle. He died because 3 players were united in their hate against annihilator 6.
This is some of my favorite content you guys do!!
Playing no-bans is super fun on occasion. Glad you like it!
@@MTGGoldfishCommander agreed on occasion! I just want a reason to play fastbond and I got to live that through Phill so thank you! 😁
This game validates my use of land destruction
Did you even watch game 2? 🤡
@@slymcfly123that’s more an issue with recurring nightmare than with Land Destruction, enabler vs payoff.
Very powerful for sure tho
"Sylvan Primordial doesn't need to be banned"
2 seconds later
"I will have perfect mana and Surveil 1"
I think of the cards on the Banlist Sylvan Primordial is one of the most deserving. Lots of the banned cards would be regulated by rule 0 most of the time like the power 9, Leovold, Time Vault, etc. But Sylvan Primordial would be in every single green deck forever being absolutely disgusting.
@@AMageOldAsDirt Sylvan, Golos and Prime Time will only get more powerful as we get more Utility lands and Lands with Basic Land Types.
Like right now if you are in 3 Colors you can Get 2 Surveil lands and some minor Lifegain or an extra 1/1.
@@RyuPlaneswalker sylvan has to get a forest so it's held back by that. Golos and PrimeTime are any land though and do get a lot better as we get more utility things.
I came back to edh after prime time banning and my new play group showed me sylvan. I immediately said this is worse. So I made a reanimator deck and cast this on turn 2 everyone agreed. Blowing up 3 lands on turn 2 and grabbing 3 mana for myself.
@@scrdngr I do think Prime is stronger than Sylvan, but that is because it grabs any Non-basic.
I can never get enough of episodes like this. No-ban-list week, salt week, power 9 week, just hilarious plays every single turn
15:17 earned my like. The reflexive "true" got me. 😂
Seth literally picked the dragon i built my very first commander deck around back at Return to Ravnica. (only my build was just janky self mill and obviously no banned cards)
I have a soft spot for that cycle of Dragons. They remind me of when I first started playing Commander and would jam them in all kinds of decks.
Richard’s deck in the article shows karn living legacy
Oops! Sorry, it's fixed now.
46:25 has got to be the most Phil response i have ever heard 😂
"Should sylvan primordial stay banned?"
On etb it can blow up 3 lands, gets you 3 lands. Just flickering it or having a panharmonicon in play can put you 6 lands ahead and your opponents 2 lands each behind
But you'll run out of Forests sooner or later ;)
To be fair, those are likely to be just normal pleb lands, no game win lands. If spending a lot of mana to get a lot of mana was a mortal sin, Boundless Realms would be banned, but it's pretty far from it.
52:50 Dang. Phil had the mana with Amulet to untap his bounce land but he was missing a Mountain. So close!
God, I really loved this one.
I was so hoping for Crim to play draw sevens and punishers and then the Intro showed Leovold and Hullbreacher - Chefs Kiss!
One of my favorite episodes so far, also shoutouts to Phil for letting Crim be mean!
I'd LOVE the tuck rule coming back, Seth.
Crim is billed as the misery player, but Seth comes in with the land destruction loop pretending like it was an accident
I was JUST looking for a no ban list episode, so this is great timing!
This was a blast, was so invested in every turn played by everyone haha. That biorythm was glorious!
I got a kick out of "I think sundering titan is fine" followed by reanimator shenanigans to prove why it would be a problem
I feel like every episode this season is my new favorite. This is awesomesauce! Also love the new filming and editing of the episodes.
Wait Fastbond is an enchantment not an instant or sorcery... why did Phil bin it?
Well moments after this comment it was corrected😂
Lol, I think he was thinking it was Channel.
Been a rough week and this is exactly what I needed. Love the content and love you guys as creators
Richard playing the same deck he plays every other week looks a little "bringing a knife to a gun fight". Dowsing dagger a little less scary when you're staring down Fastbond and Sylvan primordial 😅... even funnier watching him cast a cartographer's hawk off an underground sea
I kinda liked that ithighlights how broken green is with all the ramp to catapult it ahead, especially with the crazy fastbond and channel starts in each of the games
Crim asking Phil how many cards multiple times he has in his hand is absolutely killing me lol
Phil's intro had me laughing out loud plays golos call pur coalition victory
I just noticed that Richard printed out the mana tracking card that someone posted to reddit. I know cuz i printed my own out as well :)
Five years from now, Seth will be starting these with "Let's hop into the game! 10, 9, 8, 7..."
"Protection from Simic" Ahhh! So that's why Crim's favorite equipment is Sword of Body and Mind.
I will confirm, as someone who was playing commander when it was legal, Prophet of Kruphix def deserves to still be banned.
Powerlevel 7 and no banlist is certainly an interesting combination
Before even starting, I better get to see Seth cast Upheaval.
Am I the only one that thinks Jared Carthalion be looking like AJ Styles 🤔
Yoooo, that Mark Henry fake-out retirement was pretty good last week.
That first turn was nasty Phil, keep it up 😂
Second one was just as broken, next time I’ll wait to post
I haven't watched the episode, but I see Nihiloor mentioned, and I'm automatically rooting for that deck just for the commander alone!
Amazing. Probably the only time Emrakul has flipped a Dowsing Dagger
Now I kind of wanna see a ban-list only commander
Commander where the only cards are cards that have at any point been banned in any format.
Technically this is unplayable as you cannot have enough lands
@@velphidrow we can leave basics as freebies
See people *say* land destruction is bad - but that was hilarious
Crim thank you for playing leovold
Richard put mandate of peace in the wrong zone. It exiles itself as it resolves
0:55 just the deck intros got me excited
Loved it, you should do it more often!!
I love seeing Lutri as companion.
Does Richard just casually have a Ancestrall around that he can play with? I'm impressed.
There was a slight misplay in game 1, didn't affect the outcome, however Crim's graveyard should have disappeared with the resolution of Farewell. Tef protect won't protect your graveyard or your library or your hand for that matter.
That win for Kavu! It is the best tribe!
Fastbond's damage trigger happens any time a land is played and isn't the first. Even though Phil has multiple additional land effects, fastbond sees all extra land drops, and should have taken more damage.
That's what makes fastbond "fair" hahaha
Crim playing howling mine. the rest of the table: "stax!"
Early Aggro has to go at Richard or he’ll never stop “taking the first 6 turns off to ramp & slow roll a board wipe”.
Wild to see Crim wearing a Knuckle Puck shirt.
I think in the first game when Phil died, Crim would get to keep the Kavu tokens, wouldn’t they stay around?
These games were a blast to watch.
I think keeping the fast mana house ban but allowing the EDH official ban list gives a look at how fair some of the ban list cards are compared to things that are legal in the format.
Poor Phil gets talked over so often
Is it just me or are Phil's voice, body, and name, very much not seeming like they should be the same person?
you still take damage from fastbond even if you have additional land drops
Man that game 2 I found myself rooting for the boys to take down Seth, that assasins trophy to mandate of peace was dirty and I love it.
Fastbond is so good that Phil thought it was a sorcery……
Crim, can you share your deck list? This is awesome!
It could be interesting to see a game with random restrictions that you don't normally see. Like all your cards have to be under $1, or you can't use any non-basic cards that contain the letter E in their name.
This is the most unhinged commander show and I love it.
Did I miss something? Why didn’t Seth take an extra turn after emrakul?
In the first game, Emrakul was put straight onto the battlefield from Seth's hand using Smuggler's share. Emrakul's extra turn happens when you cast her, and putting a permanent onto the battlefield isn't casting it, so Seth "merely" did it for the 15/15 flying Annihilator 6 with protection from colored spells
Just today I was thinking how much I'd like Prime Time in one of my decks, this is a good demonstration as to why it's so degenerate lmao
Would be great to see the deck's budget in the intro.
36:06 you guys forgot with these banned cards blink effects Sundering Titan ETB like 5 times imagine just like the other ETB banned cards Seth
Sylvan primordial def does not need to be banned. There are tons of spells that ramp way more than 3 mana for less than 7 mana. Harvest season and traverse the Outlands comes to mind.
It does need to be banned. If it was a cast ability I would actually agree with you but unfortunately it isn't. So any deck that can blink it or cheat it into play can absolutely abuse that trigger. Plus you can hit lands with it so you can destroy your opponents lands AND ramp yourself. I have the card and have played it and I promise you it deserves to be banned.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" the banlist has been burned up! Will Phil unite the clans or will Crim use the most fair diplomacy ever? Tune-in to find out!
Ooooh yes, this is gonna be great!!
Wild that the takeaway from No Banlist week is that all forms of land destruction, free casting, and ramp need to be banned.
I wouldnt mind seeing karakas unbanned, theres already lands you have to play around.
30:58 would the kavu tokens have gone away when phil died?
Poor Richard in game 2 - just trying to get lands on the board the entire time hahaha
Seth complaining about Crim’s stax pieces after blowing up everyone’s lands for 4 turns straight.
Sir, please stop
In a strange way, having everyone do broken stuff make this episode more enjoyiable than i spected. Maybe because the answer has allways being to unban it all
Or a point system like Canadian Highlander.
I think its because it is maybe freeing in a way. You dont have to worry about what is fair or not.
And theres also other powerful plays that can rival the standard „let me ramp and draw a million cards“ way commander games often go.
Ok…or at least they happen differently 😂
No, you leave it all banned, and if you want to play with these cards you organize a group to play with who are on the same page - just like these guys do.
It would have been funny if he gave Crim the plants as the dagger targets so he would have gotten plants and a card.
"Is stax power level 7?" Well I guess you could say that it saps the power of the rest of the table, rather than being super powerful itself? Scales up against unfair things and gets bodied by more simple decks a lot of the time
Honestly pretty happy most of those cards are banned. Don’t want to casually walk into those in a game.
I thought Crim's Kavu tokens said "Kevin" at first 😂
damn, was hoping to see Braids here after reading the title. imagine a Leovold vs. Braids match.. must be miserable :D
Edit: first time feeling like Seth was a lil salty or at least sad that he died the way he did. very rare to see him like that. might be wrong though.
Is Nadu, Winged Wisdom a stronger Leovald?
lmao I love the turn 5 Emrakul from Seth
Moment I saw the commanders I was rooting for Crim or Seth - Come on Biorhythm or Iona on Blue!
4 way battle Royale between Legends with no ban list..... Awesome!!!!!!!!!
The real reason why Sylvan Primordial is banned is because, like Dockside Extortionist, it can be flickered repeatedly. It happening once is strong but reasonable. But it happening two, three, four, five times? Absolutely devastating.
I’m surprised to not see Paradox Engine
Fastbond is an enchantment 🧐 you can tell who has never played this random banned card🤣🤣🤣
I remember a game when i too took 15 to the the dome and the rest of the the table proceeded to kill me after saving them 😂 good times
Why did Phil keep picking up his lands and replaying them? He took multiple damage from the same forest ?
Took 5 damage and only had 4 lands on the board. I must be missing something. He should’ve only taken 3?
Crim didn't even do the worst things Leovold got banned for. Back when he was legal my friend turn 2 Leovold into turn 3 teferi's puzzle box and just locked us out of the game immediately.
I was a person to do that in a game, hated it and immediately sold the card. Then like a week later he was banned.
How the hell do you cheat out Sundering Titan multiple times, channel out an Emrakul and still get killed first?