The Hardest Wincons to Pull Off | Commander Clash S16 E11
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- This week the crew is trying to win with some of the hardest win conditions in the entire game of Magic!
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I'm giving the whole crew some homework. You need to go watch the Cardmarket episode where Tomer was on and playing Commander with that crew and see how they did the Clash On. It's only cringe because you can't commit. You can do it, I believe in you!
This! Tomer looked so happy when they did it too!
Crim never tries. As OP says, actually do it and it'll be easy.
It's cringe.
Do or do not, there is no try. Either drop it if you dont like it, or actually give it energy, then it become dorky but as OP said, only cringe if you do it so halfheartedly
It's way funnier this way
for anyone interested: without rerolling the odds he hits his 7 sixes are once out of 279936 times :)
Correct - as long as he only has 7 of them. But since he can copy them, he could roll far more dice in one go.
So you're saying there's a chance!
@@MTGGoldfishCommander Absolutely. And keep in mind that you're allowed to roll more than just seven dice. More dice means there's a greater chance of success, but it also comes with the risk of hitting too many sixes.
Online you can find the maths for it but apperently the lucky number is 41 bobble heads giving you 16% chance to roll it
@@mitchellbruderlin8621 41 just maximizes the probability of winning from a single activation, but you don't need that many to get good odds. If you have 21 in play and can activate them all that turn you have a 50% chance of winning. If you have between 27 and 74 you have at least 90% chance of winning (assuming you can activate them all). When Seth activated 7 bobble heads he had about a 1 in 40 000 chance of winning since he did it 7 times, better than the 1 in 280 000 but still very long odds lol
I've watched every clash this season since the switch to paper. Please continue. This is comedy. I love it.
43:27 Seth forgetting 6 is even twice. At least they mentioned it the second time.
Exactly what I was going to say. Seth should have had 4 not 3.
Seth's quiet "Hey, I'm an opponent" at 41:26 absolutely killed me for some reason
This game in incredible. Even through multiple board wipes, everyone keeps coming back. Honestly, I wouldn't be mad if every game went like this.
They also are doing a great job of organizing their boards so that everything is clear and easy to follow. I actually like MTGO commander after getting used to it, but I'm so glad this game was in paper.
Erebos on the battlefield at 1:06:00 just shaking his head at both Crim and the editor. :)
Good catch later, Crim!
crim truly in his element with his blind obedience and roiling vortex reminding people of their effects loll
Literally the hardest combos to win with when there’s a super control deck at the table lol. Fun game tho glad that this was a paper game and not a 2.5 hr mtgo game
3 of them were super control decks...
Your guys’ friendship is inspiring.
Maybe it isn't as 'lucky', but if you want to win with Luck Bobblehead you should try a simic shell, cast a big doppelgang on basic lands, virtue of strength, the bobblehead, and eternal witness. Repeat until you have 42 bobbleheads, and then roll 42 dice, averaging 7 sixes.
Issue is you need to roll exactly 7 sixes, so you need exactly 7 bobble heads. 😅 if you roll 7 sixes and 1 four it doesn’t count
@@moocha3689 Gatherer states: "You win the game only if you rolled 6 exactly seven times while resolving a single instance of Luck Bobblehead’s last ability." This implies any additional numbers that aren't 6 don't matter.
Doppelgang does sound like the way to get it done.
@@jeremybass1369 It also makes sense flavor wise since you can invest stat points in luck and it has a tangible impact on the character's experiences.
@@MTGGoldfishCommanderjust don’t make X more than 41! Once you’re rolling more than 42 dice the odds of exactly 7 6’s start to go back down.
Although with 42 attempts at a 16% chance you should still be able to get there in one turn.
Unless you’re catastrophically unlucky
Beautiful day goldfish crew and community, truly love you all and thank you for the content. Seeing Crim malding over control…. Love it!!! Cheers my content creator friends and thank you for the smiles!
Watching crim sorting his collection is like watching those kinetic sand videos is so oddly relaxing.
You actually can play MDFC's from the top with Courser of Kruphix, Crim didn't need to have drawn it at 11:40
So like. Handcams sound difficult.
But half the fun of 4-way control mirrors is knowing all the hand information as viewers.
Maybe it's spicier just not knowing
I prefer not knowing!
I was disappointed Seth didn’t try to go for deck of many things, but after seeing his dice rolling luck, this one might actually be harder to pull off at the end of the day lmao
Everyone: Trying to win with very specific card conditions
Richard: Mill
This episode is only an hour but I’m guessing it was really like five hours, props to editor for somehow getting it down to a reasonable length
The mad man has done it and one shot with Atemsis , my favorite clash so far
This is so much more watchable on paper
Im really surprised Crim didnt try to win with Nicol’s ult that kills people
Richard put Mana Drain into his hand instead of on top of library with Mystic Sanctuary. He also put Tishana's Tidebinder into his hand instead of on top with Vampiric Tutor. Interestingly, both times he had an untapped One Ring. Maybe we should consult Karl Jobst.
I'm a couple months late, but actually I did some more math. With 21 bobbleheads spinning all 21 times, you have a 50/50 shot of winning, and if you spin 29 bobbleheads 29 times you have a 95% chance of winning. That puts the number of bobbleheads needed well below 42, given you have the mana of course.
Let’s go Seth!!! Show them the power of the bobble
I tried
@@MTGGoldfishCommandercouldn’t you have copied the one ring and legend ruled?
@@MTGGoldfishCommanderI'd love to see you try it again with a different commander, I've been tinkering with a Brudiclad deck for ease of getting a lot of copies
Everyone playing and Crim started sorting his bulk at 51:46
I really enjoy the Commander Clash in paper. I hope you guys keep doing it!
unsure if phil will see this but i have awonderful deck idea for him, its right up his alley with this episode for sure, using kynaios and tiro
I personally like the intros better when Seth kicks off saying "Clash On!" first and then the other 3 chant it back as in accepting a challenge. =)
51:13 that is really funny
and that counter war at the end lol
I hit mythic in standard with Happily Ever After years ago. As far as I know, nobody else played the deck at all. It was a Bant control deck that used Little Teferi and Planewide Celebration on the opponent's end step to put an all colors citizen token into play and gain 12 life. Celebration and Tamiyo were also used for graveyard recursion. Absorb and board wipes to control the game, keep life high, and provide instants and sorceries in the yard.
My all time favorite deck. It was incredibly slow and grindy though because it had no other wincons, so oftentimes opponents will just scoop when they realize you have them locked out with infinitely recurring counters. And Tamiyo and Celebration can both pull each other out of the graveyard too.
Ahahahah crim getting excited everytime a counterspell gets played is hilarious
This and the Tolarian Community College comandergame with Spice8rack and Rystic Studies are the epidemy of chaotic commander shenanigans.
Seth, if you ever need Mono Blue life gain in a deck, the lifetap+Yavimaya combo is sweet. only 2 mana, your opponents are very likely to naturally have forests but you can just play Yavimaya in the deck to go in overdrive.
I saw crim with Happily Ever After and started the video immediately. I play mono white happily and it's one of the decks that brings me the most joy.
Personally, i think Urza Prince of Kroog might be the commander for building around the Bobbleheads as he lers you copy artifacts. You just need ways to lower his activation cost.
Wow, Crim really just hit em with the "Always have a backup plan"
you guys should probably ban ancient tomb. everyone is just killing themselves lol
They banned sol ring to avoid too much fast mana or ramp then instantly went to a land that makes as much
@@donb7519 that too, but they need to save themselves from themselves.
Look what control decks do to a man.
'crim sadly sorting the bulk'
Did Seth like forget about the red and black cards that help with dice rolling? A clone only puts one more bobble on the battlefield, a Monitor Monitor lets you re-roll ALL of then.
Seth doesn't like to play optimally
So, Saheli commander and cards like Delina?
@@representativejoints1188 I like Delina/Wyll combo as a back up but if the goal of the episode is to bobblehead win she doesn't do much. I use Ashad because he makes clones easily but lets you play all the dice cards.
@@khub5660Honestly, I don't know how optimal a dice rolling deck is.
@@MakeVarahHappen I casually play Myra the Magnificent and I've had good times with Delina + Monitor Monitor. I thought about adding the bobbleheads into the deck. Brudiclad after making a token copy and turn my little dudes into the bobbleheads.
Phil's Turn 1 was so clever and cool, the only problem with Retraced Image was the card disadvantage, and he readily suspended a draw 3
Excited for the Padeem bobbleheads, every other build I’ve seen has been brudiclad
As much as I love the idea of Brudiclad with the bobbleheqds, it's gunna feel really bad when you roll 8 or more 6s
I do Ashad because Unfinity has a decent amount of black dice rolling cards.
@@KVGKQuakeI mean Padeem is also cloning. I think you solve that by running those Unfinity cards that let you change rolls besides "get this higher."
This is one of the more entertaining episodes of the season IMO, it's also something I wish they could do in mtgo, but I suppose the bobbleheads aren't online. I haven't done the math thoroughly but I think roughly having 42 bobbleheads would maximize your probability, and I really really hoped Seth could get to that many bobbleheads
this might be a little late but a t 31 min approx seth tapped ancient tomb after he cast the one ring and took damage even though the one ring gave him protection from everything. I will continue watching to see if it matters but it probably doesn't.
We did actually catch that one but several turns later after Seth had already died, and way too late to correct anything. It got edited out because not really a point to point it out in the video by that time, but a good catch!
Playing a fog in esper is peak Richard
Teferi's Protection is white, and it's by far the strongest Fog in the game.
my minds eye in my omnom mono green deck is incredible lol
Luck bobblehead is great, but not if you are exclusively running it for the win-con. It's much better as a value engine for treasure tokens, tapped or otherwise.
Mechanized production or strixhaven stadium are fun ones for the concept too
Love this crew! Looking forward to today’s video!
For all the lifegain stuff Crim used in his deck, I'm honestly sad that he didn't include Felidar Sovereign. It's my favorite hard wincon to pull off, even in commander, since it makes you an immediate target the moment it hits the board, either by people trying to get rid of the card or get your life total below 40.
You just need it early enough in the game, when Noone has big enough creatures to attack trough it and spend there removal allready on the white 1 mana 6/6 flying lifelink... Happened to me 2 times the same day. So involving bad shuffling and cutting the chances seem to be not as bad for that cat. 🙄
Alternative win ‘tribal’ week, awesome!
Id love to see you guys go at it with decks that shouldn't work, but have some wild synergy
I dub this episode, "The Wincon Blues"
The move to paper has been amazing. Im glad crim was victorious through combat.😊
43:27 didn’t know 6 was odd!
technically only Phil took someone out using his hard wincon method so I think he was the winner this episode, really disappointed so much effort was spent on control/messing with each other and not on your own win method :/ but was an interesting game. If I had known at the end everyone would just win like normal I wouldnt have watched it though.
I really enjoy seeing the playing either real cards
A Luck Bobblehead win is very possible (though still challenging) with Doppelgang:
If you can get 5 Bobbleheads (at least 3 of which are Luck Bobbleheads) on the field, you can cast Doppelgang X=5 for 17 mana, targeting all 5 Bobbleheads, making 5 copies of each. You'll then have 30 Bobbleheads on the field, at least 15 of which are Luck Bobbleheads, you can tap the other half to pay for the activation of those 15, giving you 15 chances to roll 30 dice for exactly 7 6's, a 79% chance of winning immediately.
With a token doubler like Mondrak, casting Doppelgang for X=4 (14 mana) with 4 Bobbleheads (at least 2 of which are Luck Bobbleheads) will give you 18 activations with 36 Bobbleheads, a >95% chance to win.
Obviously these are very mana intensive, but they are quite plausible wincons, mainly because your opponents have no ways to interact once Doppelgang has resolved. So if you can slide your 5 bobbleheads under the radar, you can combo off the next turn provided you dodge counters.
My most difficult win con is a Barren Glory deck, It’s funny bc there’s so many weird combo pieces, people will make me discard a card and see I’m running worldfire or very similar cards and the game quickly becomes arch enemy
I understand Seth is trying to keep all the dice on camera, but you really gotta roll those things! That was some sad looking dice rolling.
30:45 The one ring protects from ancient tombs dmg
if youre gonna do an episode like this I for one think everyone should just have a permanent "you dont lose the game when you reach 0 health" effect lol
I cannot believe I watched all of this haha
I want a game of one tier 1 deck vs 3 rogue decks
I feel like bruniclad would of made more Bobleheads or even the blue 6 drop that makes all creatures a copy
So, just because doing the math is fun, you have a 1 in roughly 280,000 chance of rolling 7 6s on 7 dice.
Hey it’s Seths favorite blue commander! Atmesis….wait Aitmesis….(if you don’t know, check out the commander clash where Seth piloted that commander and pronounces the name like a different way each time) 😂
43:29 first activation you missed the 6 as even just like the second activation you caught
Poor Crim. All he wanted to do was play jank combos this game but everyone else was playing control.
I feel like while Kenrith is stronger on his own, Jared Carthalion might be the better commander to win with Happily Ever After. It is all colors, makes creatures that are all colors that stick around if it gets removed, meaning with Happily, you have all 5 colors and 3 permanent types. Admittedly, Kenrith lets you gain life very easily to stay above starting.
Kinda liked Crim's deck, that was a fun one.
1:19:56 RUclips's mad? I would have been rooting for a Divine Intervention! Signed, someone who in the last week cast and copied a Rolling Thunder for X=32*2, killing everyone including myself.
Come on Seth, 7 sixes in one roll is not that hard it is just 279936:1.
Rolling 7 6s on 7 dice is a 1 in 279,936
You guys are definitely due for some Timmy decks and stompy decks after all of this “oops all control”
Bobblehead's, aka you need about 14 copies of them and 8 other cards to have a chance of them working. Still waiting on the _hype_ of fallout besides a cpl solid cards and a lot of "Why where you excited for it..? Be more like Richard!" :p
The video,s description doesnt link to the correct article, it links to the "Any number in the deck" episode's article
"today we're playing the hardet wincons!"
Richard: ...so I play Field of the Dead
:|
Somehow, this is the sweatiest episode of commander clash so far.
43:37 I would like it known for the record Seth clearly does not think 6's are even, missing an even 6 not once but twice in only two rolls
The link in the description is to last week’s Clash.
nice the bobblehead deck seth, i was hoping youd try to make it work
You need to get to at least high teens amounts of luck bobbleheads to have a decent chance of making it
The Hardest Wisconsin to Pull Off
34:24 Why didnt Phil play Jin first so he could draw a card from Propaganda?
seth could have legend ruled is own one ring with the trigger on the stack it would have seen zero one ring counters meaning he would live
Can I find yalls banlist anywhere or in any video? I've always liked it but wanted to see it
It's in the article linked in the description, but it's basically: Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Smothering Tithe, Dockside Extortinist, Gaea's Cradle and Rhystic Study. www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-hardest-wincons-to-pull-off-commander-clash-s16-e11
@@MTGGoldfishCommander thank you I really appreciate it
Elsha is my bobblehead commander
I feel like Richard is not very good at tracking what his cards do...
Could seth just sacrifice the original one ring by copying it with vantress?
Yes
Seth had to use izzet cards with the right cards he would have thrown at least 3 dice for every dice that would have made it a little easier yes i have a dice deck and yes i'm gonna put the bobbleheads in it
Maybe if Seth actually rolled instead of dropping the die 1 inch.
Posting this before watching, but why do people think Atemsis is so difficult to make work? It really isn't that hard.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" Seth makes everyone play Against the Odds. Will Phil finally prove that value is all you need to win or will Crim make everyone be "friends?" Tune-in to find out!
I need to know what islands Phil is using
Onslaught #338
Seth somehow turned mtg into Yahtzee, with counterspells.
That luck bobblehead is worded a bit strangely also, it almost seems like you could roll seven sixes at any time since it doesnt have an end point or even reference the dice rolled for the first part of the ability in the second part.
It's not worded a bit strange. It's all part of 1 ability
Did someone say minds eye is good?
1:20 It's like trying to synchronize voice over the internet doesn't work or something.
The punch sound effect gets a little annoying after a while, especially when half the time it's just from fetches.
Does Seth not know that six is an even number?
Odd
>Builds around a cycle of artifacts with activated abilities
>doesn't go Jeskai to use Zirda in the Companion Zone
Seth Seth Seth...
Zirda really isn’t that impressive if you’re not going infinite with a Monolith.
@@crawdaddy2004 If you are trying to win with Bobbleheads you need every roll you can get so paying less for rolls is probably worth it.
@@RyuPlaneswalker Just remember that making Zirda a companion means he couldn’t run Clever Impersonator, Gadgeteer, Vedalkan Archmage, Phyrexian Metamorph, Copy Artifact, Sculpting Steel, Mirrormade, or Trophy Mage.
Personally I’d prefer Narset Enlightened Master with Zirda in the 99, white gives you even more access to tutors for both legends and artifacts and decent recursion.
Hardest win cons? 80 min video. checks out. 😂