First CNC Chips! Milling On The Syil X5 Combo
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- I talk a little bit about my tool buying philosophy, then take the design I made for a bottle opener in a previous video and show you how I set it up and mill it- then I hit the streets to crack open a beer and test it out!
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I say yet again, just talking with you would be a wonderful way to spend time. I love your perspectives, how lateral they are sometimes, how practical at other times. Your thinking on tooling is great and the story from your electrician Uncle is spot on!
hi naomi! quick tip: it’s not recommended to use the compressed air without a tool in the spindle. contamination from chips or grease can negatively effect the reliability of your spindle for holding on to tools, and can even effect precision and even damage the tool holder taper. great video as always!
This is true... my cnc (akira seiki) comes with a warning not to use compressed air on the spindle or surrounding area. We use paper towels to clean the spindle.
I truly enjoy a good surprise and once again, Naomi has done that. I expected a demo of chips flying. What I got instead, was a well-informed lecture on the essential fundamentals to consider before learning this craft as well as sound advice on entering into a business using this tech. Your depth and the deftness with which you use it, continue to amaze. Great job as always. W
Like Angus (Makee's Muse) once said (paraphrasing here) when buying a tool for the first time buy it 'cheap", if you use it enough to break it then you know you need a high end one
You're as brutally honest with yourself as you are with the products, the world can learn a lot from you. I love your style Naomi.
This is great, I'm new to building and having my own CNC machines, I'm learning so much! I appreciate the honesty regarding the tooling!
It's been said that a good craftsman never blames the tools. I don't think(?) anyone would argue that quality rules over the long run. But, the difference between "good" and "good enough" doesn't matter when "good enough" is the only attainable option. Professionals I've met sometimes forget this point. Good on the uncle to call out his apprentice. And thanks for bringing the subject up!
My 90 year-old dad has the same philosophy about tools. The joy of upgrading to a better tool is real, but the greater joy by far is finding a "cheap" tool that performs well. Always love a bargain! The real lesson is learning to properly care for tools, especially when even the low-cost tools are too expensive for the budget.
Congratulations Naomi that is so fantastic. I’m so very proud of you for making your first chips 👏 👏. Can’t wait to show your video to my high school engineering girls. Wishing you and your team a very Merry Christmas 🎄 and a happy new year xoxo. 新年快乐 (I hope that is the correct Chinese character).
Thank you so much Aaron!
Oh, very cool. Naomi has pushed STEM education for girls and young women for several years now.
@@williamswenson5315 it's true! I actually showed her channel to a friend of mine who became a maker thanks to motivation from Naomis videos.
@@DoctorBadVibez Well, as she has said, "I'm not shy", but she does tend to be modest. I don't believe she realizes just how much of an inspiration she is. As to modest? Her closing line is, "If I can do it, anyone can do it!" Take care. W
@@williamswenson5315 we are definitely lucky to have people like Naomi and yourself willing to teach so many of us. My greatest respects and many thanks!
That's so cool! If I ever build a spaceship and leave Earth, ill hire you to be my mechanic 😎
Oh yeah ! You should name your space ship Normandy because It's a popular one.
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Thank you for sharing your learning experience with us.
Absolutely, start out with the cheap stuff until your experience level, and income, justifies the more expensive gear.
However, expensive is not always better, or necessary. I have tools that were considered "cheap" when I got them, when I was in my teens. I'm in my 40's now, and they're still serving me well.
Naomi, as a production machinist and hobby machinist, I agree with you 100%. My tools are what I can afford to get the level of accuracy I need. I put the money into the most important tools first. For me that is dial gauges, calipers, micrometers, and clamping equipment. Truing your work surface and clamps is one of the largest parts of accuracy.
Excellent Video Ms. Wu. I like that she was wearing her safety glasses with side shields even though the CNC has shields of it's own. Yea, and I like her infectious smile, too!
Naomi, I've had 3D printers for over 2 years (recently entirely switched to Creality 😛) but I've never really dug into Fusion 360, because my friend used to design everything for me. After your last video, i decided to give it a shot myself, and i can tell you that I've learned more from your video that what I've learnt from anyone else's video, so thanks a lot, and I'll be looking forward to other videos!😁🥰
That's great to hear- thank you!
Great video Naomi. I learnt a good deal of information about the CNC processing and loved watching the machine in action.
That feeling to get it started, not mess it up, checking everything three times and then succeed with a new, big scary tool must be so exciting! Great
Awesome! I do my machining on 100% manual machines, and I've got a box of broken cheap tools that could have paid for a second milling machine. I have a box of ancient tooling that goes with it, that's still in great usable condition. These old ones were top of the line when they were made, 90 years ago. They work like new. They do everything but shine. With the failure of machine shops everywhere, these old second-hand tools are going to be available everywhere cheap. Keep an eye out for them.
Great video for beginners. I hope to be able afford CNC like yours one day
Loved those sketchy guys on the sidewalk.
After all this c o v I d things over visit East New York area in Brooklyn(NYC) you will find next level of “strange people on sidewalk”.
Great video Naomi, I miss seeing new videos from you and Momo.
I hope you are doing well. Stay safe! 👍🐕😊🌈✌
Excellent Old School Wisdom ! "In the Real World There are NO Money Trees" !
My dad always said that 2 me as a boy back in the 1960's !
Keep it up just as U R !
Hi Naomi
Great Video and nice CNC machine.
I know you have someone helping you so far .
You might want to get a tool measurement fixture that way you can put all of your tooling in the collet holder and put them in your tool Library and the machine will know where the zero point is and you dont have to re-zero every time you change tools .
It saves time and tools .
Love you Video and you as well for learning all these new machines .
Keep up the Great Videos. 😀😀👍👍👍👍
Cheap is accessible. Love the first person view of CNC mill operation.
Exactly right in my opinion as well. When I was younger I worked framing houses and an old wise carpenter told me the same thing. Get tools that are good enough/used to get started and eventually they can help pay for better tools later. When my brother and I started our YT channel for HAM radio to help out our club we used (and still use) the same philosophy. No need to buy a bunch of expensive tools up front when you don't even know what you are doing yet and your needs will probably change later anyway. Thanks again for bringing a great realistic view to your videos! LCARA HAM Radio
CNC is tough to figure out and learn, very finicky. You are doing GREAT, Thanks for the video.
So..... Syil just drops off a CNC machine in your shop & says "here, play with this"???? AAAH! THAT'S AWESOME! Can't wait to see more from you & that machine. Regards!
Yup, I think they're nuts but doing my best to prove it a good decision on their part😅
@@Naomi-Wu Well, it may not be half crazy. You do have good skills in terms of operating machines with a computer interface, you're creative & are able to design things, you have a good history working with 3D printing, you are a go-getter who's not easilly detered by daunting tasks & good looking to boot (which always helps ;v)). It may be the logical next step for you & I bet that's how they (Syil) saw it. At least I hope so. Would feel bad about putting words into their mouth. My best to you & good luck on your CNC adventures!!
Entertaining and excellent video, also really good common sense approach to spending money on tools.
This channels gets better by the year. Keep up the great work
Congratulations. No broken tools, never mind that the design needs some refinement - the milling job was a success.
A tip for finding the Z=0. Place the 6mm end mill/pin that you use to measure the height aside from the end mill in the BT30 holder and then move the Z down. Roll the end mill/pin under the tool and adjust if needed. Don't leave the measurement pin right below your tool. If you go too low you will crash it.
This may be a cheap and simple way of doing it, but that is how I used to do it before I got our new mill with an automatic probing system. I even checked the probing system this way and it matches within 0.01mm
Will do!
That's awesome bit of kit. Wish I had this few months ago when I was building my motorcycle. Would save me hours of manual milling.
BTW i am using my motorcycle to open my beer ;)
WooHoo 😃 first chips. I need to find a maker space with a cnc and start learning how to do this (something I can do that isn't affected by my shakey hands)
I love your videos Naomi, you always are so honest and open about your work. I have learned so much from your videos and you encourage me to try other things on my own. So thank you for being so special and cool.
Sounds like a perfect way to start learn on the less expensive tooling and you will find what you need to upgrade / replace as you gain skill
Congratulations on a job well done! We always need beer bottle openers. My first set CNC set up was a fire hydrant fitting that left the chuck at high speed.
Well done, Lady . Good job . I m a cnc professional from germany . Your first steps are great . By time the automatic parts of programming will increase. Take your time to learn which tool for the job fits.
Exciting times Naomi!!
To keep the parallels separate you can use a folded piece of nylon banding found on large packages.
It wont break the bank and saves you struggling.
I have a pragmatic view of tools and tooling in general.
If your going to use a tool to earn your living always buy the best you can.
Always clean, maintain and look after your tools.
However a tool is only as good as the operator. This is why it is better to have the best teacher rather than the best tool.
As soon as you can invest in a genuine Mitutoyo 150mm Digital Vernier calliper, Digital 0-25mm micrometer and a micrometer depth gauge (order is in importance and usefulness).
As far as tooling goes you will tend to use a 6mm 90 degree spot drill, a 10mm ripper end mill and a 4-6mm finish cut end mills.
I would start out buy doing any tapping of holes by hand until you get the hang of tapping cycles on your mill as breaking taps off can get expensive and frustrating pretty quick.
Well. That's enough of me recycling my experiences.
Take care and enjoy yourself!!
So cool! You do a great job of explaining and based on this now I'm thinking about a Syil instead of a used machine.
Great video, Naomi! I would love a large CNC machine, but would have nowhere to put it. I have done some very limited small scale milling using a drill press and an adjustable X-Y stock base, to varying degrees of success. An actual small scale CNC machine would be a great help. Take care and stay safe!
I recently bought a genmitsu 3018 prover, a very competent beginner's machine. A bit too much give in the chassis for professional full time work (as well as too slow cut-speeds) but as Naomi says in the beginning of the video : 'It is good enough to earn something better'. So my current projects are door-signs and maps. Between that and EstlCam I am pretty pleased with my own cheap tools.
Quick Tip: for setting up the z-direction/tool height use soft material like a piece of paper which you know the height to not damage your mill. Either put a dry piece a paper and check manually until the paper cant move any more or wet the paper with the cooling fluid, put it on the surface and check with rotating spindle until the mill cut the paper.
I always learn something new with NW's videos.
Wonderful to finally see those chips fly! Looking forward to seeing your next milling project!
Hi, im enjoying your videos.
Just a quick tip that may save your endmills from damage. I couldn't quite see but make sure when setting your z axis datum you dont have the height block or known shim piece (your 6mm parallel) under your cutter when lowering z down. Have it clear, go down, slide it under, remove, go down, slide it under, remove etc. If its under and you go down and it hits, it easily chips your endmills cutting edge. Especially carbide.
Keep it up learning new skills. :)
Use a piece of paper to get your Z axis touch off. Wiggle the paper untill it catches. That way you will not damage the end mill. A piece of paper typically measures 0.1mm so use this as the offset when setting the Z zero.
For parallel springs you can use metal strapping from things like pallets and heavy crates. It's not the best but it will work in a pinch
Hi just a little tip
It looks like the collet on your edge finder is not flush with the nut. Maybe try to press the collet into the nut first, then insert the tool and screw the whole thing into the holder. In my recordings, that's the only way it works. I didn't learn anything else during my training. Greetings from Germany
Naomi, When you change you Saw blade don't throw it away as you could make your springs for between the parallel's with pieces of the blade..... we do it all the time and it works great....
Yep! Just didn't have any old ones yet...
Awesome 1st part! Now, instead of buying all you tooling, think just like 3d printing and build some of your own tools! Thank you for the great video. Happy new year
Safety first with these machines. Happy New Year to you and all especially Momo. Cheers
Great Video Naomi! Glad to see you up and running on x5. I also have the X5, it is a great machine. If you ever have any questions about the X5 feel free to ask. Thanks again for sharing, and look forward too seeing more videos!
First person who said it Adam Savage from Myfhbusters: buy cheap tool to find out did you need it, if you do buy best tool you can afford. Maybe quote little bit different, but I do same even before I hear it on Adam’s channel.
As always a great video!
You are doing just fine. Your thoughts are correct on your tooling. Keep up the great work.
Look great in black pvc. Thank you!
Great video. Your comments about tools inspired me to use what I have when creating videos. Many thanks.
Keep your part in the center of the vice. If you have to go to one side. Balance it with a piece the same size on the other side. So the slide jaw doesn't cock. And the part shoots out of the vice. Be Safe and take your time.
🎈🎉🎊🎆🎇🎊🎉🎈 Happy New Year & Stay Awesome Everyday Yay 🙌🙌🙌
You can get great deals on tooling if you know where to look; I bought my lathe from a school that had, like many UK schools, stopped teaching technology, It's now 50 years old and is still very precise but the motor has just failed - the cost to have it professionally rewound is more than I paid for the lathe! I buy most of my tooling used, there are some awesome deals to be found, especially if you're prepared to by a job lot at auction.
Nice work
♥️ Momo in the video.
Thanks for another great video. You amaze me. 🙂 Thank you.
Happy new year good to see you again !
Great video Naomi, good to see you cut your first chips, a real inspiration for new starters with CNC. All the best for 2021, stay safe and well. Looking forward to more great content during 2021! 😊
Naomi may this new year bring you much prosperity and success in your home. I will always value you with your videos giving you a 👍
Happy New Year! 2021 🥂
I havn't seen anyone here talk about the actual cam that was done here, Ill give a few pointers. Don't plunge direct into anything, Use a helix. Its way less stressful and has a better cut. typically you want to cut a rough pass with .5ish mm to leave than come back with a 0mm to leave 2d contour. Cutting high speed low stepover (assuming you get your chip load correct) is faster and more accurate than 40-100% stepovers. The power of the machine you have is directly related to how much chip load you can handle. Nyc cnc just released a video recently talking about the basics of desktop mill speeds and feeds that skims over alot of concepts with visuals and in real time changes based on these feeds/speeds that will directly carry over to your larger machine.
Simpler way is just to cut a Nut in to open form and then you drill an M10 to open side about 3 a clock
At last mill a lite shaft with M10 connect them and you had an better bottle Opener cause of a better leverage law
CNCs are really fun!
Add a magnet to rev 2 😁
The title made me some how imagine a CNC making potato chips, then I had a little laugh to myself. 😂
All kinds of awesome in this video :) If I may suggest a design for the cap opener, make a design that uses a cutting tool insert as the lip, it'll never get chewed by the cap and I think it makes a nice statement about meaning business :)
Great work, You continue to learn everyday. That's what it's all about.
Looking good Beautiful 😻 stay safe and it’s nice to see the view point of someone starting because after you been doing this for a while one forget the struggles that one had in the being love your videos stay safe
Use refrigeration Naomi (specially for cheap mills) and a tube for better tight of the tools in the collets.
keep it up. I work on mill machines and CNCs for 25 years
If I am buying a tool for a specific purpose, especially that I might never use again, I tend to buy a cheap unit. If it beaks on first use, there is always the warranty. If I use the tool enough that it wears out, then I will replace it with something better. As you say, often the tool will do the job, and so you can spend the cost difference on more tools!
That was awesome I would love to buy one, and practice practice practice makes perfect
First chips....... Nicely done !
Next thing to learn, separating parts with the metal cutting bandsaw...
Nice work, good practice using the jogging tool to check that you won't kill the bit if something went wrong ( like wrong Gcode selected ).
Since practice makes perfect, might want to try the same file with swapping bits for a cleanup pass and get the sharper corners with it using a smaller bit.
This really makes me want the space for a machine that size and not have to wait for good weather to use my desktop one outdoors!
Not bad Naomi another great device
Great advice... 😍🙏
With such a wide bottle opener, I wonder if you can bury a magnet inside to help hold the bottle cap.
Spot On! On your tooling philosophy.
I buy tooling based on the precision and repeatability required for the project. The next level is when mass production of parts ($$$).
I would have screwed the blank onto a sacrificial base, eliminating the need to flip over.
Hay! Did you open a beer for Momo too?
Tom M
Hi Naomi... after cutting out the bottle opener I would have just cut it off the remaining stock then sanded it down.
Your the best Naomi ✌️
Good on ya girl I’ve been an applications engineer...in the uk for 25 years now...I’ve worked for Mazak ....WFL ....now @ PAMA.....after all this time I’m still learning everyday....so don’t let anybody come on here and tell you they know it all....if your doing this wrong or that wrong it’s all a process...remember the person who breaks nothing makes nothing....Industry needs people like this regardless of what corner of the globe your from.....if I can give you 1 tip know your worth never sell yourself short...wether that be pricing....delivery...whatever....Good luck
Today's Lesson: Use 1" round spacer block to touch tools off. Quickly move tool past top of block, lightly bump block against tool and maintain light pressure against tool, then using .010 resolution move tool up until it just goes past block, move block slightly away from tool and go down .010, then move block back against tool with light pressure, then use .001 res upward until it goes just past top of block, now you are no more than .001 away from surface which should be ok with 99.9999% of all the tools you need to touch off....Easy peasy. Also, try not to blow off work area with air nozzle when spindle has no tool in it as chip may get in there. Nice work, you are learning.
Don't worry about your bottle opener. My first one was a mess and i've got to open my bottle using a table edge.🙄
But i like your opinion about buying tools. First buy something that is good enough and not so expensive. So I can see if I can do the work the tool is created for and mostly I need my tools not very often. So a cheap cordless screwdriver less than 40€ will do it for years.
Dr Wu, carry on, salute.
Wow that is a very cool machine, lucky you and Happy New Year
Next time for the finish inside the can opener, finish it with A smaller end mill for A better hook finish for less struggle to open bottle. Not bad at all for A beginner. Good job.
The real problem with cheap tool holders and collets isn't that you aren't able to do precision work. It's a less accurate runout which causes your end mills to wear out prematurely. The smaller the end mill, the better the runout needs to be.
you have a level of common sense that only comes for experience or someone very open to real help from real players... These are lessons I wish I learned that way, would have been much cheaper... Smart people will listen... or they can go crash a $2000 boring bar..
Nicely done! Cute dog too!
Yep, I wrecked most of the cheap tooling I bought when I taught myself machining. Not worth paying $50.00 for an endmill you snap after 30 seconds.
Setting Zero at the corner of the fixed jaw of your vise combined with your workpiece stop to save yourself some time :) Nice Mill, btw 😁
Like the 1980s movie theme music feel at the end of the video.😂
Refine, and test many more bottles! I always like to learn on cheaper tools that also work well before I try to invest is something more expensive.
Felicidades, se excelente programación, preparación de máquina y maquinado. A muchos practicantes no llegan a tener ese nivel.
Dang, now you're playing with the big toys!! I should have guessed when you were at that CNC machine show that that was more than a tire-kicking trip.
Hi Naomi
I was pleasantly surprised to find out bangood carried. These types of tool holders.
I’m planning on getting one of their boring heads for a project I’ve got going.
Seeya
I love this, a little more refinement and it will be perfect. Your dog is so beautiful. ☺️
It would be good to do a video on how to get custom boards made with hdmi ports and what not