I once turned K500 on a Mazak. That stuff feels like tough chewing gum. When you rub your finger over the surfa e after turning, if feels smooth in the direction you turned, but grabs the skin if you go the other way. But it was a nice learning and experience
Same here. It wasn't K500 but it was monel, also done on a Mazak. From what I remember it wasn't fun to cut but it wasn't THAT bad. Worst materials I've ever cut were Chromel and Alumel with the latter being the absolute worst, worse than Hastelloy X actually.
I used to manual machine monel when I was 18 as an apprentice. We made high end metrology equipment and there were all sorts of exotic materials used with a lot of Inconel due to its low coefficient of expansion, it helps control the stability of your measurements.
The toughest part of machining Inconel, Hastelloy, and Monel isn't just that the metals start off gummy, it's that they exhibit severe work hardening, particularly during machining - the tool bites into gummy, sticky material which then gets super hard before finally breaking off. 300-series stainless steel does this as well but it's not as gummy to start with and doesn't harden up as much as the nickel-based alloys. Case in point: a foundry I used to work at poured some Hastelloy C-22 castings that required mechanical property testing. We thought it would be okay to machine those test bars in-house just like we would with any carbon steel, alloy steel, or stainless steel, putting them through our Puma just like we would any of those materials. The properties we got didn't quite make sense until we sent test material to an area contract laboratory. Their results were perfectly in line with expectations...because as I later found out, our machining process cranked the hardness up from the 180ish range on the Brinell scale to well over 400, whereas the outside lab using the right speeds/feeds/inserts/coolant kept the hardness down where it ought to be.
@@narmale If we take each element's alloys as a whole? Nickel. Not all copper-based alloys are challenging to machine, and indeed brass (copper mixed with zinc) is the gold standard for machinability. Many copper alloys can be tough, but brasses and bronzes can be very forgiving. On the flip side, I can't think of a nickel alloy that is anywhere near that easy to machine...Inconel (Ni-Cr-Fe) is tough to machine, Hastelloy (Ni-Mo-Cr) is tough to machine, Monel (Ni-Cu) is tough to machine, Incoloy (Ni-Fe-Cr) is tough to machine, the wackier superalloys like René/Waspaloy/Nimonic are tough to machine...there's a theme, and that theme is that nickel-based alloys are challenging for most machinists.
I work for G.E. Aerospace and we run inconel for the majority of our parts. Along with another material called rene. These go in jet engines for Boeing and Airbus. Love this industry!
What I tell folks that blows their minds is machining nickel/inconel parts with ceramic inserts! Heats it up, scoops it out like ice cream. Lava ice cream LOL
I want to see Titan take a field trip to the Army's Watervliet Arsenal, Watervliet, NY, where all the cannon barrels used by the US and all nations allied with the US are made. That shop makes 35-foot-long barrels for the M109A6 howitzer, and a cannon barrel MUST be laser-straight if you expect to hit anything with the weapon.
Hey titan, I'vd love to see maybe 5 parts made and cnc'd on this machine checked by cmm to check the repeatibility of the machine. Thanks guys, love the content.
Great display of what these SYIL machines are capable of! Super impressed. Looking forward to seeing more projects on these machines!
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IDEA FOR A VIDEO: How about a machining competition between 5 of your top machinist? identical part, same machine, you could give points for, type of setup, speed, finish, tolerance, etc, only 1 stipulation, the part has to be for an actual customer, what do you say? are you up for this challenge? Love to see it!
They are top-dog. All machinists but working on difference machines. Milling machines, lathe, Swiss Machine, EDM, grinder, metrology guy, inspector…. And not only they are machinists but they are certified instructors at Titan Of CNC Academy as well. Again they are some of finest machinists supervised by the only celebrity machinist Titan Gilroy. ❤😂
We talked about doing this but Barry and Trevor knew I would win so now they just go ahead and give me the trophy 🤣🤣
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@@Jessie_Smith Yeah, I get it, they both do come off as being a little intimidated by your superior machining abilities, they should at least try though, I know it's a long shot but, you never know, one of them might just pull it off and win.
I like it when you push the tools beyond what others say is the norm. The two things I learned a long time ago where “if you are not cutting you are dulling”! And “you want to put the vast majority of the heat generated into the chip not the tool or the coolant “! The tool that lasts the longest is the tool that is not used. A tool can only rub for so many miles or feet before it is worn out. A tool that is not used is a decoration; or just jewelry, hiding in a box.
Inconel and cobalt chrome are some of the hardest materials I've machined. Tool steel like A2&D2,cpm3v and cpm9v when i was in a die shop. Before and after heat treat. Sometimes the die didn't stamp out correct and i had to remove thirty thou here or there. Proper speeds and feeds are most critical on the hard materials. Tool selection,proper coatings important too. We use mostly SGS carbide. Harvey and micro tool carbides are good. The cheap hogmills off Amazon work pretty good too. For the price they're amazing. Accusize is the name I think. They will surprise you.
Monel! The Stainless Steel of the first half of the 20th Century.. found naturally in Canada on the rim of a gigantic meteor crater. Nickle+Copper.. Oil and water... what a fascinating alloy. AND HEAVY
Had to machine K monel several times in the 90s. The shop i worked in was cheap when it came to buying the best tooling that was available then. Needless to say i was glad to see the last of that material
Monel K500 is a material we use at my work, I work for Lonestar fasteners Europe (American based, but for the European sector).. We use a good amount of "up there" materials Inconel 625 718 and 725.. Monel and K500.. Astalloy and waspalloy (or how it's spelt it's a rare sight) and tbh even the guy with 30yrs won't touch them if he can get away it.. Im 36 years old and a manual machinist on ward 3db and 7D lathes. We make specialty stuff for oil, petrochemical, gas, hydro power and turbines. It doesn't faze me that much of a material, once you've dialed in the speeds and hand pressure, I won't run it on auto feed on my machine the speeds are too much. I use carbide and carbide tip drills along with boring tools with high end strength tips and go with a steady hand pressure and absolutely drown the sucker in coolant, running 800rpm trying not to soak myself with off spray 😂 Good to see some hardcore material being ran, what you guys got planned next I wonder.. I'll be watching
Really nice to see. I love your videos with all info and tech talk, and I love the perfection, and from time to time just do something just for the sake of perfection, because it's cool to get it perfect sometimes, just because you can.
Your gonna have way better support, service and spare parts availability if you go with Haas because they have local offices in most major metropolitan areas.
@@funwitharobotthat's true but part of the reason factory support is so good with Haas is because it has to be. They lock down stuff in the control that you don't have access to without paying a tech $250 an hour to come out and fix it for you. Not a knock on Haas but a lot of guys just starting out aren't looking to deal with the cost of having to outsource all of their maintenance activities. If you're a bigger shop and too busy to spend the time doing it yourself then yeah it makes sense to farm that out.
The first U5 is being shipped next month in. Chicago, we will hopefully have our hands on one mid summer. From what I have seen, at the casting level, it’s gorgeous!
I've made some prop shafts out of K500 for unlimited blown alcohol race boats, I have to say pig of a material to machine, hell on the tools, particularly milling the keyways is pretty much a brand new slot drill for every keyway! It's also difficult to source here in Australia, had to import the last lot from the U.K. makes for expensive parts.
You guys gotta get your hands on some 5 flute helical solutions high performance chamfer tools. They are the real deal. 5 flutes top to bottom tipped off or sharp and they tolerance their tip diameters way tighter than the industry standard, so there is very little adjusting needed to do from tool to tool. I know you run Kennametal because of the brand deal, but seriously in this one niche they've got the pants beat off kennametal.
Nice video. BUT. I got all hyped up by Titan's videos, full depth of cut etc etc. On our BT30 machine (other well known brand) I machined a whole run of engineering steel in a period of a month. And surprise surprise, the taper bellowed out, and machine needed a new spindle! It sounded good, it cut well, parts came out good, was using new sharp high performance carbide cutters, plenty of higher concentration coolant etc etc. I was told to go back to manufacturers cutting tables...
These guys do treat machines as almost disposables. It's a decent strategy to succeed though, because it means you can potentially have higher throughput than your competitors.
J'ai 20 ans d'usinage a mon compteur et tout ce que je vois dans leur vidéos c'est : une bande de gros nounours casseur de machines , les vitesses de coupes ne sont pas respectées ni adapté à la machine , les porte-à-faux sont monstrueux, la profondeur de passe est juste immense pour la fraise et la machine utilisé, même le maintien du brut est ridicule...heureusement que kennametal donne des valeurs a renseigner dans mastercam . S'ils avaient du programmer a la main en code G et déduire les paramètres de coupe par eux même , ils auraient cassé une autre machine ...
@@LumaLabs a little bit of surface rust on a tool holder probably from sitting around in their shop for a while doesn't mean that the spindle is trashed.
Not just the sound, you get used to the feel of the vibration pretty quick too. I've machined plenty where the sound isn't quite right but the vibration is perfect
I cringe when I watch the videos where they aren't cooling the cutting tools. I know it's better for youtube but I dread seeing what it does to the tool. I realize this is a big commercial for these machines and tools but it's cool to see titan actually doing hard machining.
I told Keith to park an X7 next to a new Super Mini mill and see how they compare lol. Would be interesting. Obviously the Haas control is a major pro but inevitably guys that own these machines are going to start finishing the development on the Syntec side and make more of a polished control package. Really excited to see content on the X9.
We used to do inconell 600 claded with steel. I know the pain. Lol, I wrote a macro with a button cutter to substantially increase feeds and reduce run times on 12 foot bars.
I hate that stuff. With a passion. I had to make some threaded sockets with 8 linear internal grooves/keyways interrupting a left-hand helix. I swear it took several years off my life.
I noticed that you talk a lot about Aerospace parts. I worked for a company that main material was beryllium and albmet we wore all the necessary safety equipment. But I thought it might be interesting for people to understand the materials used in aerospace.
I don't envy you. Be is awful and horrible to machine, and likes to break for little to no reason at all, and without warning, not to mention the cost of the stuff. 😮
I would be just as excited as Titan IF I owned one of these machines... IF I could afford one of these machines...... IF I made and sold parts using this machine and IF I just had my own parking spot here at the complex............ NICE work Titan !👍👍👍
Bro i machined some cpm 10v heat treated to 64 rockwell C. Nothing will eat tools like this stuff it's the highest wear resistant tool steel out there. Makes your monel look like butter.
Been waiting on this video. Wasn’t let down. Hopefully my products take off soon so I can afford one of those. Really looking at the lathes they got too. Could have a pretty decent start up shop for a hundred grand.
SYIL are entry class machines, at good value for money. Owners will typically work with 'standard' grade materials. This is just a demo put to the extreme, the machines are not made with the intend to regulary work with such tough materials. Companies into such on a regualry basis naturally goes for the high end machines, but its interesting to see the capability of Syil, if one once in a while comes into tough materials.
Thanks Titan, this certainly is an impressive demonstration of this Machines capabilities. Of course with your Master of Skills has alot to do with it.👍👍 The Harvy3 is impressive. I always enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing.
I'm not afraid of that material. C6 casting is probably the hardest material to cut. I've cut titanium that has to replace the insert after every pass. Will say though, mill is much different than lathe. I would run any material fairly easily on a lathe, them it would go to mill, and all the problems would begin. I wasn't running the mill, so I'm sure it was a mix of machine and operator on the mill.
Not sure if you know but Monel (NiCu) is relatively soft compared to Inconel. Now K-Monel (NiCuAl) is hard but still not as hard as inconel. It’s used in steam systems because of its tensile strength when exposed to high pressure and high temperature will be quite strong. That’s why they are called Nickel Superalloys. There’s a guy on RUclips who talks about the metallurgy of Nickel Superalloys.
Yep, I explained it in the video. Monel has Copper and Inconel has chromium which is harder… so Inconel breaks a chip better. Softer, Gummy Monel is Nasty on tools because it’s softer and abrasive etc
@@TITANSofCNC yeah, I can see that. Im an outside machinist for the DoD (navy) we use a lot of those types of alloys. steam systems and high pressure air systems, steel isn’t used as much because although strong WHEN COLD, does not hold up as good as the nickel alloys. It’s actually pretty cool. I see it every day and worse I have to destructively remove fasteners (some 2 inches plus) from flanges or machine flanges of that material. Hy80 or Hy100 is fun too lol it would be interesting if you could get your hands on some Hy100 and try some stuff
Mill works easy, I make shafts out of the crap, not easy keeping runout under control on long 10 ft. shafts where most every dia. tolerance is +0/-.0005 with a 16 finish. I use a Daewoo Puma 400 CNC
Wow Titan. Looks like that new machine is just “Killin it”. Very impressive. You just have to get out on the shop floor and run those machines. I believe that you would go crazy just doing podcasts. Action speaks louder than words. Great video!!
Awesome Titan I've purchased the syil x7 and the CNC is sitting in my garage just waiting to hook up the single to 3 phase. Syil were brilliant with me I had some family drama's where I had to spend my money elsewhere and Mr Xushuo and Mr Wang kept my deal I had with them for over year until we located and got my granddaughter back, they were great. Cheers all the best mate
Question for Titan: Why don't you make your own frame for your glasses? You already have the materials and machines for it ! ? Wouldn't that be cool ..... ????!!! It could be another nice example of advertising.
I just machined some poppet valves from Monel K500 for SpaceX on my Swiss (I know, it sucked). I’d been under the impression that K500 was more machinable than Inconel 718 which I’m making hex bolts out of now.
After 4yrs out of the Aerospace game im back in a months time woo hoo ! Harvie tools would help so many companies. Bosses and machinist who cut standard stuff waste so much money using cheap tools and therefore longer tool times, dirty work shops kill companies.
If you're looking for an interesting topic to break down, consider breaking down the cost to go from nothing to chips for the X7. You often talk about "starting under $30k" but that's a base machine only. Someone not already in a machine shop is going to need machine, tooling, workholding, phase converter + install, fluids, delivery/rigging, etc...
Monel isnt particularly hard, it is very tough. You want slower speeds and heavy feeds for the rough cut. More coolant the better as the stuff has a phase transition when it gets hot that makes it behave like gummy aluminum with the strength of stainless steel. It will eat your tools for lunch if it isnt kept cold. Did a few pump assembiles out of it a while back. ❤
Have you heard of Vanadis 4 Extra superclean? I've macnined that material after hardening and it's hardness is 58-64 Hrc, where Monel K500 is 28-40 Rc.
She was growlin, deep vibration. Load meter dude. Only ever did Inconel. Monel K500 has better corrosion resistance & used for salt water. The heat resistance is better for Aerospace also. By the Way a SYIL IS A GREAT BUY, NEW! WOW. Better have 100 grand for tooling, fixturing, shipping,electrical. Oh how I miss this. I did 17 years CNC and CNC Tool & Die, worked up to Lead foreman over 2 departments.Quit, parents got ill, then cancer etc. I wonder how much that Monel K500 chip bin would be worth.
Like trying to machine industrial grade taffy. The part being cut looks like a pump core, if it's made out of this stuff that's gonna be mighty heavy duty. 😮
Do you think you can produce Stainless Steel parts on this machine? Not a crazy number of parts, we machine parts out of 303 and 304. Depending on the torque wrench adaptor model we are machining, we either do some minor profiling or machine the whole adaptor out of a block.
Nice to see Titan himself back on the machine .
But it's Monel k500. Whew! Makes titanium seem easy as anything to machine.
@@drafty0183 im pretty sure his name isnt Monel K500 Gilroy :P
Love it ❤
He wasn't "on the machine". He stood there while the camera was rolling.
I once turned K500 on a Mazak. That stuff feels like tough chewing gum.
When you rub your finger over the surfa e after turning, if feels smooth in the direction you turned, but grabs the skin if you go the other way.
But it was a nice learning and experience
Same here. It wasn't K500 but it was monel, also done on a Mazak. From what I remember it wasn't fun to cut but it wasn't THAT bad. Worst materials I've ever cut were Chromel and Alumel with the latter being the absolute worst, worse than Hastelloy X actually.
I used to manual machine monel when I was 18 as an apprentice.
We made high end metrology equipment and there were all sorts of exotic materials used with a lot of Inconel due to its low coefficient of expansion, it helps control the stability of your measurements.
The toughest part of machining Inconel, Hastelloy, and Monel isn't just that the metals start off gummy, it's that they exhibit severe work hardening, particularly during machining - the tool bites into gummy, sticky material which then gets super hard before finally breaking off. 300-series stainless steel does this as well but it's not as gummy to start with and doesn't harden up as much as the nickel-based alloys.
Case in point: a foundry I used to work at poured some Hastelloy C-22 castings that required mechanical property testing. We thought it would be okay to machine those test bars in-house just like we would with any carbon steel, alloy steel, or stainless steel, putting them through our Puma just like we would any of those materials. The properties we got didn't quite make sense until we sent test material to an area contract laboratory. Their results were perfectly in line with expectations...because as I later found out, our machining process cranked the hardness up from the 180ish range on the Brinell scale to well over 400, whereas the outside lab using the right speeds/feeds/inserts/coolant kept the hardness down where it ought to be.
which is worse? nickel based or copper based alloys?
@@narmale If we take each element's alloys as a whole? Nickel. Not all copper-based alloys are challenging to machine, and indeed brass (copper mixed with zinc) is the gold standard for machinability. Many copper alloys can be tough, but brasses and bronzes can be very forgiving.
On the flip side, I can't think of a nickel alloy that is anywhere near that easy to machine...Inconel (Ni-Cr-Fe) is tough to machine, Hastelloy (Ni-Mo-Cr) is tough to machine, Monel (Ni-Cu) is tough to machine, Incoloy (Ni-Fe-Cr) is tough to machine, the wackier superalloys like René/Waspaloy/Nimonic are tough to machine...there's a theme, and that theme is that nickel-based alloys are challenging for most machinists.
I’m not a machinist but this is like watching Rembrandt describing a masterpiece step by step as he creates it. Cool. Love to watch.
I was for 5 years but it wasn’t working financially for me working at a restaurant was paying me more
I work for G.E. Aerospace and we run inconel for the majority of our parts. Along with another material called rene. These go in jet engines for Boeing and Airbus. Love this industry!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_41
What I tell folks that blows their minds is machining nickel/inconel parts with ceramic inserts! Heats it up, scoops it out like ice cream. Lava ice cream LOL
@@BrassBashersCeramic works great on uninterrupted cuts, but hit one nick or interruption and watch that insert disappear into a million pieces.
I do tons of heat treated 718, and nemonic. Fun stuff
I made my wedding bands out of some 718 on a hand lathe.
I want to see Titan take a field trip to the Army's Watervliet Arsenal, Watervliet, NY, where all the cannon barrels used by the US and all nations allied with the US are made. That shop makes 35-foot-long barrels for the M109A6 howitzer, and a cannon barrel MUST be laser-straight if you expect to hit anything with the weapon.
That would be cool!
Hey titan, I'vd love to see maybe 5 parts made and cnc'd on this machine checked by cmm to check the repeatibility of the machine. Thanks guys, love the content.
That is coming. Right now we are seeing .0002-.0003
Great display of what these SYIL machines are capable of! Super impressed. Looking forward to seeing more projects on these machines!
IDEA FOR A VIDEO: How about a machining competition between 5 of your top machinist? identical part, same machine, you could give points for, type of setup, speed, finish, tolerance, etc, only 1 stipulation, the part has to be for an actual customer, what do you say? are you up for this challenge? Love to see it!
They are top-dog. All machinists but working on difference machines. Milling machines, lathe, Swiss Machine, EDM, grinder, metrology guy, inspector…. And not only they are machinists but they are certified instructors at Titan Of CNC Academy as well. Again they are some of finest machinists supervised by the only celebrity machinist Titan Gilroy. ❤😂
We talked about doing this but Barry and Trevor knew I would win so now they just go ahead and give me the trophy 🤣🤣
@@Jessie_Smith Yeah, I get it, they both do come off as being a little intimidated by your superior machining abilities, they should at least try though, I know it's a long shot but, you never know, one of them might just pull it off and win.
lol I guess I could design a competition that would give them a competitive advantage and then maybe take it easy on them so they have a chance lol.
And by the way, I’m screenshotting this and sending it to them
I like it when you push the tools beyond what others say is the norm.
The two things I learned a long time ago where “if you are not cutting you are dulling”! And “you want to put the vast majority of the heat generated into the chip not the tool or the coolant “!
The tool that lasts the longest is the tool that is not used. A tool can only rub for so many miles or feet before it is worn out. A tool that is not used is a decoration; or just jewelry, hiding in a box.
I like how Kennametal brings value to your business and in turn you bring value to their business by promoting the quality of their product.
@@willyharris4199 I know what a sponsorship is but not all sponsors provide quality.
Guys main income comes from youtube.....
I would want to see a print and QC report on tolerance but I’m pretty impressed with the little machine that could
Coming soon, stay tuned
These machines were so awesome to see run! The power the SYIL has is amazing! Small but Mighty!!!
Just like you, Chris!
We make Monel in our foundery and I machine the shit on equipment from the 1950s. All petrochem, blue origin and all that like you said. Crazy stuff.
We machine inconel to make the stage 9 to 14 compressor blades in the RR AE2100 engines as fitted to the C130J on 30 odd year old fadal cnc mills.
Inconel and cobalt chrome are some of the hardest materials I've machined. Tool steel like A2&D2,cpm3v and cpm9v when i was in a die shop. Before and after heat treat. Sometimes the die didn't stamp out correct and i had to remove thirty thou here or there. Proper speeds and feeds are most critical on the hard materials. Tool selection,proper coatings important too. We use mostly SGS carbide. Harvey and micro tool carbides are good. The cheap hogmills off Amazon work pretty good too. For the price they're amazing. Accusize is the name I think. They will surprise you.
The graphics are so awesome. Hats off to your editors!
Monel! The Stainless Steel of the first half of the 20th Century.. found naturally in Canada on the rim of a gigantic meteor crater. Nickle+Copper.. Oil and water... what a fascinating alloy. AND HEAVY
In Sudbury?
this was nice to watch. Im not machinist,I studied for mechanical engineer but i worked as machinist for 6 months in Končar...greetings from Croatia
Had to machine K monel several times in the 90s. The shop i worked in was cheap when it came to buying the best tooling that was available then. Needless to say i was glad to see the last of that material
It's not just the space industry. We use Monel in the food packaging industry.
That cut sounds good, very good at higher feed rate.
I don't care what anyone says...!!! These guys from TITAN are incredible professionals man,¡!
Monel K500 is a material we use at my work, I work for Lonestar fasteners Europe (American based, but for the European sector).. We use a good amount of "up there" materials Inconel 625 718 and 725.. Monel and K500.. Astalloy and waspalloy (or how it's spelt it's a rare sight) and tbh even the guy with 30yrs won't touch them if he can get away it..
Im 36 years old and a manual machinist on ward 3db and 7D lathes. We make specialty stuff for oil, petrochemical, gas, hydro power and turbines. It doesn't faze me that much of a material, once you've dialed in the speeds and hand pressure, I won't run it on auto feed on my machine the speeds are too much. I use carbide and carbide tip drills along with boring tools with high end strength tips and go with a steady hand pressure and absolutely drown the sucker in coolant, running 800rpm trying not to soak myself with off spray 😂
Good to see some hardcore material being ran, what you guys got planned next I wonder.. I'll be watching
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! The harmonics of the machine sounded great, the tooling held up, the part looks like jewelry. Chef's kiss 👌
Really nice to see. I love your videos with all info and tech talk, and I love the perfection, and from time to time just do something just for the sake of perfection, because it's cool to get it perfect sometimes, just because you can.
It sounds like its transferring alot of the tool deflection into the spinle. Throughout the ways and guarding. I appreciate your videos.
Only have experience on a band saw cutting monel, 3 inch slugs were a 45 minute cut if you wanted it to cut straight.
I was about to pickup a used haas vf2 for my first machine but these have definitely caught my eye.
Will customer service be there (in the US) in 10 years though... thats the question...
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 with Titan becoming a distributor, SYIL is going to blow up into a big machine tool company!
Your gonna have way better support, service and spare parts availability if you go with Haas because they have local offices in most major metropolitan areas.
@@funwitharobotthat's true but part of the reason factory support is so good with Haas is because it has to be. They lock down stuff in the control that you don't have access to without paying a tech $250 an hour to come out and fix it for you. Not a knock on Haas but a lot of guys just starting out aren't looking to deal with the cost of having to outsource all of their maintenance activities. If you're a bigger shop and too busy to spend the time doing it yourself then yeah it makes sense to farm that out.
I'm interesting in seeing the 5-axis version of the X7 or even the U5 in action
Me to. 5 axis please!
The first U5 is being shipped next month in. Chicago, we will hopefully have our hands on one mid summer. From what I have seen, at the casting level, it’s gorgeous!
Please post video!@@kgranno
What a machine! Awesome demonstration on what these SYIL machines can do
The surface finish is amazing!!
Nice looking machine. Im currently nearly finished with my aprenticeship and when i have the money i would probably buy this machine.
Definitely send like a plenty capable machine. Doing something it wasn't meant to, and still coming out like a champ.
I've made some prop shafts out of K500 for unlimited blown alcohol race boats, I have to say pig of a material to machine, hell on the tools, particularly milling the keyways is pretty much a brand new slot drill for every keyway! It's also difficult to source here in Australia, had to import the last lot from the U.K. makes for expensive parts.
You guys gotta get your hands on some 5 flute helical solutions high performance chamfer tools. They are the real deal. 5 flutes top to bottom tipped off or sharp and they tolerance their tip diameters way tighter than the industry standard, so there is very little adjusting needed to do from tool to tool. I know you run Kennametal because of the brand deal, but seriously in this one niche they've got the pants beat off kennametal.
Nice video. BUT. I got all hyped up by Titan's videos, full depth of cut etc etc. On our BT30 machine (other well known brand) I machined a whole run of engineering steel in a period of a month. And surprise surprise, the taper bellowed out, and machine needed a new spindle! It sounded good, it cut well, parts came out good, was using new sharp high performance carbide cutters, plenty of higher concentration coolant etc etc. I was told to go back to manufacturers cutting tables...
These guys do treat machines as almost disposables. It's a decent strategy to succeed though, because it means you can potentially have higher throughput than your competitors.
Take a look at the tool at 7:39 during the change. That spindle is 100% trashed already. Brown with the fretting infection.
@@zachbrown7272 That's because they are for them. They're demo machines on loan, not owned.
J'ai 20 ans d'usinage a mon compteur et tout ce que je vois dans leur vidéos c'est : une bande de gros nounours casseur de machines , les vitesses de coupes ne sont pas respectées ni adapté à la machine , les porte-à-faux sont monstrueux, la profondeur de passe est juste immense pour la fraise et la machine utilisé, même le maintien du brut est ridicule...heureusement que kennametal donne des valeurs a renseigner dans mastercam . S'ils avaient du programmer a la main en code G et déduire les paramètres de coupe par eux même , ils auraient cassé une autre machine ...
@@LumaLabs a little bit of surface rust on a tool holder probably from sitting around in their shop for a while doesn't mean that the spindle is trashed.
I like that you mentioned about listening to the cut. It tells more than any salesman of a cutter. On what's going on in the machine.
Not just the sound, you get used to the feel of the vibration pretty quick too. I've machined plenty where the sound isn't quite right but the vibration is perfect
I cringe when I watch the videos where they aren't cooling the cutting tools. I know it's better for youtube but I dread seeing what it does to the tool. I realize this is a big commercial for these machines and tools but it's cool to see titan actually doing hard machining.
That surface finish came out looking nice!
I told Keith to park an X7 next to a new Super Mini mill and see how they compare lol. Would be interesting. Obviously the Haas control is a major pro but inevitably guys that own these machines are going to start finishing the development on the Syntec side and make more of a polished control package. Really excited to see content on the X9.
We used to do inconell 600 claded with steel. I know the pain. Lol, I wrote a macro with a button cutter to substantially increase feeds and reduce run times on 12 foot bars.
seeing all the chips there, the metal is so compressed the chips expand like spring steel.
I hate that stuff. With a passion. I had to make some threaded sockets with 8 linear internal grooves/keyways interrupting a left-hand helix. I swear it took several years off my life.
I noticed that you talk a lot about Aerospace parts. I worked for a company that main material was beryllium and albmet we wore all the necessary safety equipment. But I thought it might be interesting for people to understand the materials used in aerospace.
We have an AerospaceAcademy.com
It’s a work in progress.
Thanks
I don't envy you. Be is awful and horrible to machine, and likes to break for little to no reason at all, and without warning, not to mention the cost of the stuff. 😮
Use to machine it(K monel) for sub parts. We used to joke that it was machining kryptonite
I would be just as excited as Titan IF I owned one of these machines... IF I could afford one of these machines...... IF I made and sold parts using this machine and IF I just had my own parking spot here at the complex............ NICE work Titan !👍👍👍
ja frezowałem Hardox extreame, robiłem otwory fi 83 w hardoxie extreme. teraz juz pracowałem ze wszystkimi materiałami nawet ze szkłem
When machining various nickel alloys, it was always an exercise in adaption and disaster prevention.
Bro i machined some cpm 10v heat treated to 64 rockwell C. Nothing will eat tools like this stuff it's the highest wear resistant tool steel out there. Makes your monel look like butter.
Hard iron hard metals and the skilled Machinist. That machinist is rare to find.
Love to heard Titan’s thoughts as he walks us through his program………explaining feeds and speeds, end mills, and drills. This guy is amazing!
But I'm looking at the load bar on the screen when I can and it looks really good all in the green!
Taking it back to USA one machine at a time! Thanks Titan.
I got a 6"/.25"/1.25". Made a Alaskan kitchen knife in san mai with monell 5000 as the cutting edge
Been waiting on this video. Wasn’t let down. Hopefully my products take off soon so I can afford one of those. Really looking at the lathes they got too. Could have a pretty decent start up shop for a hundred grand.
Same.
the machine is working pretty hard. I've never heard of SYIL mills. Let's see how it holds up after two years of demanding machining.
SYIL are entry class machines, at good value for money. Owners will typically work with 'standard' grade materials. This is just a demo put to the extreme, the machines are not made with the intend to regulary work with such tough materials. Companies into such on a regualry basis naturally goes for the high end machines, but its interesting to see the capability of Syil, if one once in a while comes into tough materials.
Thanks Titan, this certainly is an impressive demonstration of this Machines capabilities.
Of course with your Master of Skills has alot to do with it.👍👍
The Harvy3 is impressive.
I always enjoy your videos.
Thanks for sharing.
Love watching Titan cut up a piece of material that probably costs well north of a grand for fun!
I'm not afraid of that material. C6 casting is probably the hardest material to cut.
I've cut titanium that has to replace the insert after every pass. Will say though, mill is much different than lathe. I would run any material fairly easily on a lathe, them it would go to mill, and all the problems would begin.
I wasn't running the mill, so I'm sure it was a mix of machine and operator on the mill.
I just love your work
Not sure if you know but Monel (NiCu) is relatively soft compared to Inconel. Now K-Monel (NiCuAl) is hard but still not as hard as inconel. It’s used in steam systems because of its tensile strength when exposed to high pressure and high temperature will be quite strong. That’s why they are called Nickel Superalloys. There’s a guy on RUclips who talks about the metallurgy of Nickel Superalloys.
Yep, I explained it in the video. Monel has Copper and Inconel has chromium which is harder… so Inconel breaks a chip better. Softer, Gummy Monel is Nasty on tools because it’s softer and abrasive etc
@@TITANSofCNC yeah, I can see that. Im an outside machinist for the DoD (navy) we use a lot of those types of alloys. steam systems and high pressure air systems, steel isn’t used as much because although strong WHEN COLD, does not hold up as good as the nickel alloys. It’s actually pretty cool. I see it every day and worse I have to destructively remove fasteners (some 2 inches plus) from flanges or machine flanges of that material. Hy80 or Hy100 is fun too lol it would be interesting if you could get your hands on some Hy100 and try some stuff
U UNBELIEVABLE
Mill works easy, I make shafts out of the crap, not easy keeping runout under control on long 10 ft. shafts where most every dia. tolerance is +0/-.0005 with a 16 finish. I use a Daewoo Puma 400 CNC
Wow Titan. Looks like that new machine is just “Killin it”. Very impressive. You just have to get out on the shop floor and run those machines. I believe that you would go crazy just doing podcasts. Action speaks louder than words. Great video!!
Amazing video. Fantastic sales demo. He’s gonna sell some iron
Awesome Titan I've purchased the syil x7 and the CNC is sitting in my garage just waiting to hook up the single to 3 phase.
Syil were brilliant with me I had some family drama's where I had to spend my money elsewhere and Mr Xushuo and Mr Wang kept my deal I had with them for over year until we located and got my granddaughter back, they were great. Cheers all the best mate
Great ViDEO TITAN!
I would love to see more syile content want to get in the industry
Could you show off the machine's speed cutting 6061 aluminum
Question for Titan:
Why don't you make your own frame for your glasses? You already have the materials and machines for it ! ?
Wouldn't that be cool ..... ????!!!
It could be another nice example of advertising.
Definitely a cool idea🤙 Very intricate
Quality frames can be very expensive, especially if it carries a luxury brand name. You can save yourself many hundreds of dollars.
@@TITANSofCNC I would also like to see this
I've been turning some copper nickel (monel 400 I think)
Horrible stuff but get the right speeds and feeds and it runs silent
The last five words hit the hardest. "Increase manufacturing in America: Boom."
Machining pay didn't keep up with the other trades. Greed fucked American manufacturing over.
Buy a Haas...American Made....American Serviced
Using Chinesium machines... makes sense 🤔
I never thought much of this stuff. Try Aermet 340(hardened) and come back
Now do some Haynes 282. I head this stuff is a wild material and has some crazy properties
Never did Haynes 282… but we made a ton of parts for SpaceX out of Haynes 188.
Duplex 2205 is pretty fun to cut. (Sarcasm)
4:00 when u look at the numbers that is actually a monster cut
When 0,04 mmpt is a "monster cut", it is definetely a monster material!
Great video man
I just machined some poppet valves from Monel K500 for SpaceX on my Swiss (I know, it sucked).
I’d been under the impression that K500 was more machinable than Inconel 718 which I’m making hex bolts out of now.
After 4yrs out of the Aerospace game im back in a months time woo hoo ! Harvie tools would help so many companies.
Bosses and machinist who cut standard stuff waste so much money using cheap tools and therefore longer tool times, dirty work shops kill companies.
Machining Wisdom with Titan
If you're looking for an interesting topic to break down, consider breaking down the cost to go from nothing to chips for the X7. You often talk about "starting under $30k" but that's a base machine only. Someone not already in a machine shop is going to need machine, tooling, workholding, phase converter + install, fluids, delivery/rigging, etc...
I agree with you!
X7 Syntec control $36,500
Tool setter $1,360
Side-Mount ATC $3,795
Tooling package $2,975
Outch. Awesome guys. Keep up. The informational Vids. 🗿🤫
Monel isnt particularly hard, it is very tough. You want slower speeds and heavy feeds for the rough cut. More coolant the better as the stuff has a phase transition when it gets hot that makes it behave like gummy aluminum with the strength of stainless steel. It will eat your tools for lunch if it isnt kept cold. Did a few pump assembiles out of it a while back. ❤
Boommmm😂
God Bless the Titans!
Have you heard of Vanadis 4 Extra superclean? I've macnined that material after hardening and it's hardness is 58-64 Hrc, where Monel K500 is 28-40 Rc.
Wow men , those machines are Amazing , Lucky dog😊😅😮
It’s crazy to see that Syil RIP apart that metal!!!
She was growlin, deep vibration. Load meter dude. Only ever did Inconel. Monel K500 has better corrosion resistance & used for salt water. The heat resistance is better for Aerospace also. By the Way a SYIL IS A GREAT BUY, NEW! WOW. Better have 100 grand for tooling, fixturing, shipping,electrical. Oh how I miss this. I did 17 years CNC and CNC Tool & Die, worked up to Lead foreman over 2 departments.Quit, parents got ill, then cancer etc.
I wonder how much that Monel K500 chip bin would be worth.
One day i might get to work in a real machine shop...
Definitely want one of them mills.
HATS OF to you sir.
once i machined hastelloy and i was totally freaking out over the short toollife. cannot imagine this material has to be even worse to mahchine
Yeah that stuff sucks I also mashined it twice.
Yeah monel is hard.......and exspensive too. Good luck to anyone who has to machine it
My cave diving regulators are monel. I love them.
Holy cow you are aging my guy!!!
I haven’t watched a video in about a year, I agree, but Titan please don’t get plastic surgery.
Like trying to machine industrial grade taffy. The part being cut looks like a pump core, if it's made out of this stuff that's gonna be mighty heavy duty. 😮
Nice video !!!
Do you think you can produce Stainless Steel parts on this machine? Not a crazy number of parts, we machine parts out of 303 and 304. Depending on the torque wrench adaptor model we are machining, we either do some minor profiling or machine the whole adaptor out of a block.
Yes with the proper tools and techniques… I will make some cool parts out of stainless and put another video out.
Try machining yttrium. It sparks just from drilling it. 😁⚡🔥
Normal conpanied Mill with +surface than Mill some 0,05mm