What living in Utah as a black man can be like
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2022
- Episode 1124-1126: • Spencer Nugent: A Jama...
Please join us now for our Mormon Stories Podcast interview with Spencer Nugent. Spencer, along with his parents and sibling, were the first Jamaicans baptized on the island into the Mormon church. Later Spencer’s family moved to Orem, Utah. Spencer attended UVSC and BYU, served a mission to San Antonio, Texas, and became an Industrial Designer. Spencer is a renaissance man of sorts. His many talents/interests include karaoke/music, art, travel, design, drawing, landscape architecture, teaching, etc.
After Spencer was married in the Salt Lake City temple and had two sons, he and his ex-wife eventually experienced a Mormon faith crisis and divorced.
Today’s episode will cover numerous topics, including Mormon cultural imperialism/whitewashing, being black in the Mormon church, Spencer’s mission, male eating disorders, parenting, divorce, faith crises, and finding identity, morality, and community as a black ex-Mormon man in Utah.
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When I was growing up people would intentionally tell their kids not to play with us. Not because we were black, because we weren't Mormon. 🤨
Winter snow storm 1979 I could not get any motel to rent us a room while driving cross country in a car with no heat.
I’m sorry you had to go through this.
True racism, I know firsthand. My experience was back in 2004. My family and I were stared at, pointed at, and laughed at. We were out at the mall and had been in town for just 2 days. We decided to take a trip downtown and to take the bus back after eating and shopping. While outside waiting, we could see traffic was really heavy, so a lot of the cars were almost at a standstill. There was a family stuck in the traffic. I noticed them because I could see the young lady in the backseat staring and tapping someone else in the car to look over at us . Well then everyone in the car started to look point and the young adults in back stared laughing. Because traffic was barely moving, this treatment went on for about five plus minutes. I was so upset my kids were very young. My husband and I pulled our kids in closer to us. We were not sure if we were actually in a safe place anymore. Sad to say, this was not the last time it was just the first of many throughout our stay.
Is Utah a place for other than caucasian? I've been through Utah and kept going, stopped only for gas. Never looked back or even sideways. And don't tell me we're all Americans.
I’m black and my girlfriend is white and I went to Utah to ask her father marry her and I personally didn’t run into any issues or noticed anything because nobody there would ever say anything to my face, but my girl really got it from people she knew her whole life. Now we will probably never go back because she broke off pretty much all of her relationships with people there she even lost family members because of my skin color.
Me and my husband are brown in Utah. We went to Target to shop for Xmas and had a pack of employees follow us down every aisle we went. When we were certain what was happening, we left. And yes I made a scene at customer service on the way out.
There are so many links in description but not the link to the full episode?
4 years old in grocery store in KS . . . police arrested a woman with a hand counter for theft because she put her hand in her pocket. Dad and siblings are dark. Took us home and ran drills on how to not put our hands in pockets AND drills on how to let police search your bags. (Hint: turn bag upside down and shake. Keeps them from planting something in the bag when they reach into it.)
Oh, but with non-stop flip-flop, it's a lot at the other end of the spectrum now. Look at any of the most recent publications from "the Church," and you might wonder if ALL of the members are "black."
I’m a white male. Racism is still a problem. Early in my career, as a supervisor I had to choose someone from my crew to be in charge while I had to be somewhere else. I chose the most qualified person. He happened to be black and from Central American. Later I was approached by 5 white southerners/workers. They informed me that they could not take commands from “him”. I grew up with no racism, ( I am white and my parents are good people). I immediately recognized the racism. I was pissed. I “reminded” them that their new supervisor was twice the man that they would ever be and to STFU and do what he says. This was 30 years ago. I still remember it. People are people. The color of our skin does not matter.
I grew up in Southern Idaho just north of Utah. I can say as I grew up that there was absolutely no Black people around me in schools, community, church nothing. It was a highly mormonized community. I was not a Mormon and could clearly seeThe racist game they were playing.
If you didn't do anything, have them call the police, to get a report number.
God that’s so grim. One thing I will never understand as a white man is that feeling when your black experiencing discrimination. It must be such a sickening thing
Of course they are racists. It's in their doctrine.
I’ma ex-Mo, my Momma is white, and me & my sister are mixed, African American. They wanted us to be baptized, after indoctrination as girls.
What I feel is sad for this man. His first thought was what did we do? Instead of being angry knowing that they had not done anything . Of course his father had not done anything. He should have been angry like every other American would have been. But black people don't have the luxury to process anger let alone display it.
I'm so sad everytime I hear different races be treated "less than".
I lived in the 14th ward in Salt Lake City (which is now located in the fancy skyscraper next to the Harmons on state street) and the senior missionaries were shamelessly racist towards me. One night my wife and I had come home from the gym at around 10:30 pm and since we were still new to the area, we didn’t know where to park, so I approached them and the guy’s wife clenched her purse and he became aggressive towards me. I asked if the parking spots were free for all, and he said “I don’t have any money, no dinero amigo, no dinero” and then I asked again and he said “I don’t live here, no dinero sorry”. That’s one of many experiences of racism I had in Utah