This.... is why no employees ever trusts HR. They claim or even train that they don't retaliate against harassment reports. It's all just legal compliance training. The reality is different unfortunately. The best move is to leave the team or the company if it's a major problem. Don't mention the incident even when HR asks during the exit interview. Best to avoid the exit interview altogether.
My last job was toxic af that it ended like an abusive relationship. I wasn't liked any more, the first sign was not getting hours, I was excluded from meetings, left out on conversations, I was ignored whenever I asked something or said something, I found out that my coworkers constantly undermined me in public, so what it looked like: I come in 2 minutes late and I'm called out and made fun of in front of everyone, or I'll say something and my coworkers would exchange glances like there was an inside joke. There was such a huge shift and I got another job where I'm being valued
The best thing to do in these situations is start a new job hunt and leave. One of two things will happen if you stay: You'll get fired on some technicality or they'll drive your mental health down so far that you have to quit. Both not worth it. Better to leave with dignity and before you lose it.
Yep. I made that mistake and faced retaliation: got passed up on promotions but still trained the people for the job they didn’t give me. I finally looked for a competitor company and they offered me a 6 dollar pay increase so I put my two weeks in last month!!! A new company who appreciates me feels great.
It’s called quiet firing it happens everywhere I’ve seen it and also been a victim to it myself a long time ago in my early 20s. Best advise is quit and leave them in the lurch. Companies sweat big time when staff leave because it puts the burden on then now.
In my experience, it's healthiest to start finding a new job when you start disagreeing with teammates regularly. I use that as a good barometer now in entrepreneurship to know who to work with and who to avoid.
It's a very sad world, isn't it? We are always talking about human rights, women roghts, all kinds of rights, but we treat each other horribly on daily basis.... sometimes it's not even about your ability or skills, its about who can play the game well....
people who *talk* about these rights are the very ones who violate those rights. they talk in order to appear like they care or to just say the "right" things.
It boils down to whether the managers like you, in a typical office. A certain number of managers are bullies/psychopaths, they always need a victim due to their own aberrant psychology and it could come down to them feeling that they can get away with it. One thing with bullies is that if you don't stand up to them they will carry on because they get a twisted kick out of it, it's basically like the playground. I'd say always belong to a union and if you get the sense you're being scapegoated, be prepared to confront them directly over it.
I feel like my company was trying to push me out. Even though I was doing the work of 3 people they refused to hire anyone else. So when they hired someone else after 2 years and my boss quit and was replaced, I just decided to quit since I did not want to train the new person, I did not get along with the new management, and I was afraid they were just going to get rid of me after I trained the new person. It was just too much to deal with all the hours I was working. I am so glad I quit.
Yeah I wonder why a lot of companies do that to hard working employees. Same here, I am doing so much work and always making sure that the quality of my work is great but I notice that Managers and coworkers prefer someone that is more of a clown
@ellapretty6927 They want someone who will not complain, kiss their behind, and go with the program. They really don't care if you are a hard worker. You just have to be liked by management.
@@bettyeboop2942 chiming in to say this is right. It’s like they are saying “how dare you have the GUTS to refuse me/us mistreating you”. “You should put up with ANYTHING that I/We dish out. “They really don’t care that you’re a hard worker “. That’s a VERY true statement. Th Have a nice day.
Very good points! I have been in that situation in the past. In these situations, I blamed myself, questioned my worthiness, developed anxiety and became physically unhealthy. I am so glad I found the help that I needed and pursued my own goals by finishing school and to own three side hustles to sustain not only my happiness, but my sanity. It’s so refreshing to have people like you to help other keep an eye for these signs. I wish i would’ve found you earlier in my career. But lets keep the conversation going.. let’s ( in a way) expose employers. Livelihood is a necessity, not a choice.
Very well said. Keep on, keeping on! Thanks, encouragement going through this with colleagues & seems manager is behind it. Wish would mind they’re business & go their jobs! Instead creating trouble: for those who work diligently & ignore them!! But, even ignoring them- make it worse & get harassed by team. Making me look like bad guy, when problem is dont check their behaviour they should focus on working, instead of ganging up on employees like me! Its called harassment & they should be accountable for consequences, not inflicting pain hurt onto others! Disgraceful! Ppl need get life or mind they’re business! Let ppl live & do they’re job! Cause we all need work & earn a living its our right!🙏
I agree with all the points except 6:35 part where one should report to HR if a manager is being hostile or harassing to chase you out. From personal experience, HR won't do anything even if you have a legal team and instead, they will side with the manager unless you're part of a protected class.
Even if you are in a protected class, they will still try to find a sneaky way… or some hater will attempt to destroy something for you… Figure out how to protect yourself & never stay in a situation that’s too uncomfortable
I had a situation where I was no longer on the schedule,I asked whats up.They said they were restucturing.There were no problems before. They kept telling me they had everything covered and they cant use me today. This went on for months, I kept showing up just to get sent home, why didnt they lay me off.I told them I refuse to quit. One day I refused to leave and they called the cops. I threatened to get a lawyer and they said go ahead. I did nothing wrong they had no right to do this. They would use me if enough people called off,I never said no.Its wrong and unethical.
Once you've cycled through all these 'red flags' several times in your worklife, you'll have advanced in resilience - unless you committed suicide. Either you're dead or you've become quite invincible by now. Rise and shine, Soldier!
Gas lighting your completed work. Ignoring the fact(s) about your accomplishment(s). They will not acknowledge work that took talent and uncommon effort.
When bosses say they're going to hold you to "higher standards" such as when you join a union where they advocate for more pay and benefits and they also ask you "how long do you plan on working for us?" when they're giving you their performance evaluation are the red flags you should not overlook where they really don't want you to work with them.
This is a major problem. Greed. My store was recently bought by new owners and I have alot of experience so I make a higher wage. My hours were immediately cut and the new owner avoids me like the plague he BLATANTLY doesn't like me. I'm a stellar worker and I always show up. Work ethic doesn't matter anymore it's a greed game. And that's a fuckin problem. 😠
Great!! Good, on you!! I like & admire your attitude!! I’m the same way: they don’t like they could go elsewhere! Not being pushed out!!🙏💯Unless, I decide to leave on my terms!! Good for you!!💯😎👍👍🙏
My management team told me they hope to keep me for a little ng time then even since after my confirmation, pay raise and confusing things that made me feel devalued, I still tell them voluntarily that they don't need to worry because I am staying there even if I have to concrete my feet to the parking lot I don't plan to leave them and in saying that its kind of a compliment to them that I DO value them and don't want them to sink if they mistakenly would replace me w a real dingbat because candidates can be anything they want to get the job but that doesn't mean they can handle a workload of 4 into 1 person, by myself and I like that
Something stubborn is rising up in me. This is the 4th manager we’ve had in my year at this company. This one is an abusive bully who has turned her wrath on me. I do my job. She will have to invent something. She may do that. But I piss her off by not getting mad and giving her a reaction. You wanna get rid of me, honey, you gonna have to do alllll the paperwork.
Often they do not want to fire someone as it involves paperwork, could cost the company money, and the employee may sue for unfair dismissal. So they push you out so you quit of your own accord, such as the impossible (or mundane) jobs you mention that they give you.
If they fire you (especially for “performance issues “😑) you’ll get unemployment. Most likely… Mine is probably beyond chump change 🫤. It’s something. Total Bummer , My new manager is a witch . She’s not being honest. I’m basically unemployed again…. ☹️I have 1 shift a week. So shitty… I’m being shafted. 😣 I think I’ll stay on for a few , they can fire my ass.
I wish I saw this video early. I was just released from my first tech hr job. I was in training and shadowing for 2 1/2 months. No complaints from anyone. Things were great and then the third month I was “PIP”, the reasons listed were refutable with proof and did not relate to my performance. Since the manager literally followed up and said I was doing good in HR. 2 weeks later I was micromanaged, publicly undermined in email, and blamed by someone I didn’t work with for things that weren’t true. This carried on for the next 4 weeks. Yesterday I was fired “for not making the progress” they wanted. They couldn’t look at me as they talked. I left confused. Almost 5 months in.
This is spot on. I can look back now and look at it objectively, but while it was happening, I just couldn't believe it. All of the things you've described happened to me... I tried to fight back, but HR was no help at all. In fact, alerting them to this pattern only exacerbated the situation. HR is not your friend! I was subsequently "let go" after what they called a "resource action"... it was devastating at the time, but I survived, and eventually found another good job. I am no longer bitter, but just reflective. I'm glad that I'm able to look back at it, and recognize that it was the best thing for me. I'm now happily retired, and have no regrets! Thank you for letting people know what I didn't know at the time...
Had some of these signs. The principal/CEO started treating me differently, I no longer was able to go to the semi-annual meetings, got assigned a mentor (the second time this happened, I'm surprised he didn't include that as one of the things), and got given a task that they wouldn't tell me what I did wrong to fix it, just told me it was wrong. That place became so toxic and discriminatory that it would a figure it out yourself with little to no training.
I've been in my job for 6 years and I've been a top performer in terms of output. A year ago, they hired someone and had spoken about management to him and taking over from the manager, I tried to have a conversation with my manager and it didn't go well. Now they've hired another and the manager is mentoring him in this position and has not have a conversation with me. This man is being mentored to be my manager and the process does not seem fair. Emotionally I am drained because I feel it's unfair.
I apologize if I’m all over the place, but here’s my story: In late February 2022, I worked remotely for a small company located in Iowa as a featured web writer. I basically wrote articles that focused on how to use products from a well-known tech brand. I felt like I was on cloud 9 after years of looking and applying for jobs. I was doing something that I enjoyed, the people seemed nice and were eager to help me, I got to travel to Iowa (plane ticket and hotel room was paid for by the company) for company week in July and really enjoyed myself. They even told me not to be afraid of asking for help and to utilize resources. I even had articles that were doing really good with clicks and views. All of that changed in October. In the early hours of October 5th, my mom and I had to move out of our apartment because our jerk of a third-floor neighbor flooded us out, and we lived on the first floor. We had to stay at a hotel. We had no idea when we were going to either move back in or get another permanent place to stay. Plus, my mom had to do training for dialysis, and she needed a stable place to live. Thankfully, I had some PTO left and I told my former boss and the execs the situation, and they let me take some 2 weeks off to focus on moving our stuff out from the apartment so that it could be worked on. After the two weeks and still at the hotel, I went back to work on Oct 17, and my boss welcomed me back and told me that I need to do my employee evaluation. I decided to get it over with. I took the Zoom call, and that’s when they (the execs) told me that I was going to be put on probation due to performance. What really didn’t sit well was when one of the execs mentioned that they fired a co-worker of mine because “he wasn’t interested in improving his performance.” He was hired a week after I was hired. I felt that disclosing his termination during my evaluation was a bit unprofessional of the execs to do. I might be wrong, but I heard that when you do an employee evaluation, it isn’t a good idea to talk about other employees. Anyway, the execs were like, “We don’t want to let go of you, and that’s why we’re putting you on probation.” Then, they talked about what they enjoyed about me, as if that was going to make things better. After the execs left the call, my boss told me that she was surprised that they were going to make that decision regarding my employment (she participated in the call), but that she would make sure that she would help me make improvements on my performance. They didn’t give a certain time frame for the probation, and I was hoping I would be able to redeem myself. We finally moved into another apartment in early November, and I had to take some more days off to accompany my mom with her dialysis training. Both November and December were very busy when it came to work. Not only was I writing articles and reporting to my boss and two other people, I was also answering tickets from people who read the articles from the website, and the volume was usually high. Plus, answering tickets was very stressful because you have to make sure that you’re providing accurate information, and many of the tickets that people sent had very complex questions. The co-worker that they had let go of was doing the same tasks as I was doing, so that meant more work for me. Then, around that time, my boss wasn’t available as usual because she had a family crisis. She basically made sure that two of my co-workers with more experience made sure I was getting everything that I needed to improve my performance. My workload was very heavy. One Thursday in December, one the execs wanted me to join Zoom call, and I was nervous. I joined the chat, and they wanted to let me know that I was getting a bonus, and told me that I deserved it for working hard. I was relieved because I thought they were going to fire me then. Then, they decided to change the format of the web articles. On Jan 4th, My boss told me to join a Zoom call, and I already knew what it was about. They basically said I was being let go. They even talked about how they enjoyed me and how I was such a hard worker. I hated it because I felt that I had fitted in. A few weeks after I got let go, I decided to check on the co-worker that they had fired prior to me. He told me that they had fired him two days into his probation. The whole, ”He wasn’t interested in improving his performance” explanation doesn’t make any sense because how can someone tell in two days if a person isn’t showing interest in improving their performance? To me, that’s not enough time, but of course Iowa is an “at-will” state. It was a shock to me when the execs brought it up because I felt that this co-worker was doing better than I was doing. I hope he’s doing okay. Another thing that kind of makes me wonder was that a month or two before I got flooded out, my boss reached out to me to see if I could answer tickets from customers, and I said yes because I remembered seeing the task as part of the job description when I applied. Guess what? She had asked the same co-worker at the same time and we both were trained at the same time. So, I feel that they were already planning to let us go. Also, while I was out due to the flooding, they were interviewing with one of the freelance writers, and they hired him to replace the co-worker who got fired. I got to meet him, and he was nice. But that goes to say they were already making changes within the company. When I was employed at that place, I felt a sense of belonging somewhere. Even when I went to Iowa for company week, I enjoyed myself. They even gave everyone a t-shirt and a water bottle with the company logo. We even took company photos. I wore that shirt and used that bottle with pride, and I was hoping that I would be able to attend this year’s company week. Now that I’m no longer working there, I can’t even bear to look at the shirt and the bottle. They say it was due to performance, but sometimes I wonder. Maybe they saw that I enjoyed my job “too much”. Maybe it was due to me being the only Black person working there at the time, and they just chose me as a diversity hire. I will never know, but I do feel that something was a bit off about the situation. As for me, I’m currently applying for jobs and I’m working on getting a Google certificate for UX design through Coursera. Wish me well.
So sorry to hear all of this but the forever job you will find you will be thankful because it will make the newer job look better yet I am sure that you gained new skills to bring into the new one you will get .... You can and will get through it and don't let anybody bully you into doubting yourself in any way ...
I had to quit my job as a software developer, now it’s been two months jobless, the reason I had to quit is because they were saying I was not meeting expectations despite all my efforts, after researching online, I concluded that is worse being fired than just quitting for job finding. Is a shame… I really love being a programmer but now I feel like an impostor.
I learned this valuable lesson while working in the Young Offenders system in Alberta Canada. The supervisors were WoRSE than the criminals I worked with. Back stabbing, gossiping group. Years later it still hurts.
Those things recently happened to me on a job by the owner. He called me the other day to lower the boom and I just nonchalantly told him ‘Ok’ and hung up on him while he was still talking. 🤷🏽♂️
@@marlenafina3481 😂😂 I got him enough when I was still there, I only worked there for over two months and he lost 5 employees in that time period, 2 walked out mid shift. He hired a woman to replace me with an tried to belittle me one day by saying that he was surprised that I hadn’t made any mistakes doing the job (which I never had before and never came across as incompetent in any way) so right in front of her I told him to worry more about the 5 employees who chose to be unemployed than to work for him, the whole room was quiet and the new hire looked really awkward…a couple days later I got the phone call. 😂😂😂 I have a better job now and didn’t even need him as a reference. 😉
My job has been providing less shifts for me and has recently excluded me from accepting shifts because "I don't meet the requirements for this shift" despite the amount of experience i have with childcare through ages 1-11. A clear tale sign that they want me gone.
It’s a shame that you have to link your mistreatment to an accepted form of discrimination in order for HR to be involved. It should just be “I’m doing a good job, and being bullied and undermined by psychos for no reason, deal with it.” The fact that they don’t care unless a buzzword like discrimination is triggered shows that the only thing they care about is the company image, nothing else. Btw if people want to know the cause of the disastrous lack of productivity in the west which will rapidly lead to our collective demise, it’s not that people are lazy or entitled, it’s that we’ve internally accepted and even promoted the idea of psychopathic behaviour in the working environment, turning it into such a toxic hellscape that the only sane thing to do as a reasonable and self respecting individual is reassess one’s life goals and decide to aim for frugality and freedom through quiet quitting, van life, or early retirement. I think psychos in the workplace are destroying western civilisation, together with their short sighted bosses who promote them. Encouraging dog-eat-dog, psycho behaviours, far from driving up productivity as we’d think, this has actually backfired and now no-one is doing their jobs properly, because doing so gives them no stability, financial reward, company loyalty, promotions or kudos.
I was getting pushed out, so I started looking among other reasons. My boss found out about it and she let me go and said I was disloyal by interviewing elsewhere.
I quit a job and they told my future employers that they fired me. My new employer fired me because they believed I was fired because my former employer told them that. It was awful.
Go to your supervisor? Go to HR? Are you kidding? Those that are being harassed are usually.... the least likely...to reach out for help. And if we did....there'd have been no one to help...when you find...that the whole bunch..... is rancid.
@@smoothiecutie2277 What I've learned...is that most people aren't as civil...or as kind...or as inclusive.....as you would assume...or hope... they'd be. It's just ridiculous. I've seen it at almost every job I've worked. Some.... deadlier than others!!! May they get back....what they dish out!!
My employer gave me all the failed projects, but I turned them around, except financially of course because gobs of money had already been spent. On the one project I asked the current PM to keep managing it, while I focused on deliverables. The project reviewer started in to me about how poorly my project was performing financially, I said not my problem, I’m responsible for deliverables only. She was pissed. I got a new job shortly thereafter.
I am in manufacturing and not an office. I can relate to the "impossible tasks" and the "unnecessary difficulty" as I am being given more and more work and expected to complete it in the same amount of time. A new engineer even commented that I was set up for failure because all the test procedures are not released on line yet. I am supposed to figure everything out and get it done. I build a piece of lab equipment. I build it and put it in the lab for testing. Slowly I have been given the task to do the testing after I build it just to put it in the lab and have them do the same testing. The reason is so I can find all the issues and fix them so the lab gets a perfect product and simply runs through the same testing without failure so the unit will have what they call "first pass quality." It's redundant and since I don't use any of the chemicals and a lot of the testing is done with the same test unit, the results are different and it's like I'm doing the testing for nothing. I feel like they are just doing it to make me quit or to make me fail so I get fired.
My first 4 years was fantastic, I was consistently asked to contribute to projects, was able to innovate and develop new items. Two women in my team evidently didn't like me succeeding and decided to completely screw me over, my supervisor believed their lies, HR got involved and it has been a steady decline since. I'm now a pariah, a scapegoat and consistently undermined. I used to start early and finish late, along with working through my lunch breaks. Now I work from my start time to finish time, take all of my due breaks and don't bother sharing the improvement opportunities I see or could contribute to - I just DGAF anymore and have stopped networking within my business, I don't trust anyone there anymore. I'm putting my energy into other places and will take the skills I'm continuing to develop out of work hours elsewhere soon, to a less toxic environment.
Wow. That's earily what happened to me years ago. Worked in a retail mgt. job, always had good reviews for years, than a couple of harpies came in from the outside (who were clueless at their job) and made my life a living hell. Fortunately both got fired within 2 years.
YOu and about 30 other commenters say the same thing. You guys are spot on. Many people watch the TV show "The Office" and think because the guy who plays the HR character in that show (think his name was Toby) acts as an impartial judge who protects the workers in that show, that is how it is in real life. Soooo far off. lol
They doubled my area and kept taking my people away. and changed the sort on me many times. getting more frequent with it as I kept hanging on. and with every sort change comes the need to order new labels may I mind you. Downright asking me to just quit. Saying stuff like.. "this isn't a joke. I genuinely want you to resign" Making things harder everytime I declined. and then finally when I had enough. I hear from someone who was still working there that after I left. He put everything back to the way it was. The smaller area. No longer changing the sort. Just business as usual. And That's why I hate UPS. Unbelievable that they got away with this shit. my heart is broken.
I am a lighting tech in Macau 🇲🇴 and during pandemic the company transferred me to work at help desk as operator on shift hours. They thought I will quit…..but after one year I still survive 💪🏻💪🏻Later I found they have hiring ads for my tech job. Well, I have thought of writing a complaint letter to the CEO. But later I think the best way is to get the year end bonus, get a better job, write a book on history of entertainment (including my experience of the dark side). Those who trashed me will have their names engraved in the history book. 🚬😎🥃
Legal should be also contacted if you go to HR. It's necessary to communicate a realistic plan to sue the company if you go to HR so that you can negotiate a settlement/severance. Being technically eligible for rehire should be part of the release-of-claims agreement.
I literally asked for more hours and if i could swap a day because i had something to do for graduation requirements. I had the person who i was swapping with and my old boss said okay, so i check later and i see that my days got completely cut to 2 days in a week. This Week & Next Week. I've had enough of this because i was there for months (I'm still in high school) so i decided to just call it quits and focus on school. They had the nerve to hang up on me multiple times when i tried to confront them about this and then they picked up a few hours later. Needless to say I'm happier
HR acts like they care but they are only there for the employer. I was lied about. One sided comments that I never even knew about until it showed up on a PIP. The termination document was even worse. Could not file an appeal for unemployment due to lack of evidence. Employer went into my home computer and deleted my saved emails. Wasn't aware they could do that. One last kick in the ass I guess .Glad to be out of there. l
You have no idea how much i related to this .. thank you and i hope this helps other people .. id live to have a one on one rant about some stuff.. anyway. For me its done and over with besides the mental health part.
try working remote for 1 year and your supervisors and employers don't even acknowledge you, super dry with you every time you message them and make you feel like it its a bother that you are even talking to them. and then 1 time they reach out to you is to tell you how much better you should be doing at the job.
The only point I'd disagree with is getting HR involved. I don't trust HR, and always ask the question: in an HR mediated dispute, who does the company think is more valuable?
Never go to HR unless you want to negotiate an Exit package. HR will always protect the manager. I repeat Never go to HR. You would be much better bringing a baseball bat to work than going to HR, his advice will likely cost you your job.
This is me, I was pushed out of my company for 12-13 years of service. My manager now used to be an employee I worked side by side with. Now he’s a power hungry micromanager who doesn’t inspire anything to senior techs.
My boss is currently doing this. I was talked to in the past about not being super smiley and friendly. But it was never write up worthy. Now the relatively new GM is literally telling me I need to be acknowledging EVERY person coming through or I'm done by next week. I've literally saved lives in the past with CPR and AED use. But apparently that pales in comparison to making sure I'm super friendly.
All this is happening to me right now and I stopped caring. I do my work and wait for my pay check at month end. If they have an issue with my actual work we can always dicuss it in HR otherwise i just ignore everyone.
A woman I once worked with was forced out of her employer (a large toy manufacturer) and they followed the classic script to get her to leave: it started with a poor performance review, then isolating her by moving her to a cubicle surrounded by packing boxes in a relatively unused area of the office and finally depriving her of meaningful work. They gave her 3 months to find a job at another company so they wouldn’t have to pay her severance. But 3 months later she was still there so she was called into a meeting with an HR rep, her manager and a corporate attorney and told her job was being eliminated and offered her an enhanced severance package which for her to receive it she had to sign away her right to sue the company. I’m so glad I’m retired so I don’t have to deal with this kind of crap anymore.
My last job was the worst. I think I was micromanaged. They were listening to my phone conversations, finding errors all the time. Why team lead would spend so much time auditing my work when she had so many other things to do. I think she was jealous and competing with a new hire. She increased the work load so that I get frustrated and leave. I feel I was pushed out. I had to quit that job. Terrible leadership I must say.
What if it's a small office and there is no "HR"? A woman in my office, I've been there 15 years, has decided SHE wants it ALL. She wants everyone but her and her "staff" gone. Problem: my boss of 15 years, isn't well and wants to retire. This woman wants to buy all of his clients and push him completely out. It's all very sad for everyone involved. This woman has no ethics, she has no scruples, she'll back stab anyone who tells her "No." If I quit then I can't collect unemployment. Yeah, it's California. OMG her assistant is THE flying monkey.
This may sound nasty, but what happens if you have a boss and/or coworkers sabotaging your work? I heard of this happening as well...to the extent where a business will even have a small setback as long as you're out.
I’m not too sure anymore. Maybe it’s my paranoia playing up but I feel that I should be looking for another job. Team members are leaving and they are not being replaced and we are expected to do the work of thirty people when there are only ten people left. I’ve been there for six and a half years but my face has never fitted in the team. Work is being taken away from me and I’m the only one working in the office so I am getting all kind of requests which is distracting me from my main task. I’ve also been asked to train the new starts but I am still expected to do my own work load and check the new starts work as well. I also have to take calls from the new starts in regards to helping them with a task. I think it’s time for me to look for a new job but the grass is never greener but it’s probably better then where I am.
I had number 5 happen to me before. I was temping so I was fair game anyway. Had to complete 17 tasks each day but I was assigned some tasks that I was not trained not to do. Sacked by the client and escorted off the premises. Not crestfallen about what had happened as I didn't like the job or the people. Went back to the agency who found me another temp job working with nicer people, much better. Sadly they only required my services for a few weeks and I was let go again, albeit on happier circumstances.
You are right I’m blanked for mistakes thank you and as for the isolation yes just like you said . I’m also the only 1 that has been drug tested,if a company is going to get rid of me I would rather them not sugar coat or just fire or let me know.
What is the Most Sad about this is how it affects your psyche and Your Life. Try to realize: you are surrounded by people who show up unclean, unpressed (wearing dirty dog-hair laundry). You are surrounded by the person who calls in sick over 9 times a year (while you have a third of that or don’t call in), and finally, a great rapport with most co-workers and clients. Remember this: you are a valued person! F--‘em!
I recently got confirmed w a pay increase but since, though I have changed anythung in my work style except work longer hours so my supervisor can get more time to relax bc she seems very stressed but suddenly I don't feel valued like before and sad bc once I got confirmed they feel comfortable w me enough to let the person's mood be the course of my day and it doesn't feels n ce, even if the person was in my place earlier before ranking up
Good morning so I was told that I refused to do my job which wasn’t true…he also stated my resignation was accepted which I never resigned…he said it was accepted when you walked out the door…I was told by my manager and security to leave the building…my boss texted me and said thank you for your services…I keep asking was I fired and his reply was you refused to do your job…he never said I was fired or terminated…him and my manager ignore all of my calls and my boss said we won’t speak until I stop lying…I work Sunday -Thursday do I still go in to work or was I fired?
From what it sounds like, they are trying to frame it like you left on your own.. when it sounds like you where fired without actually being fired. But you will need that confirmation from HR because if you were fired, it opens them up to wrongful termination lawsuit if there was something going on. But I would check with the HR department if you can because it doesn’t sound like you were fired.. it sounds like they’re gaslighting you into thinking you were fired.
I had all of these signs. All you can really do is to look for another job. Networking with others outside the company while your there. If you have the luxuries just quit.
I can say that every single point you outlined has been happening to me over the past 7 to 8 months. Not just me, but the only other black person that reports to me. I went to HR, they did nothing. They basically were working with my boss the harasser. They overloaded me with work in hopes that I couldn't meet their ridiculous deadlines, but I did--although it meant I had to work 75 hours a week. Then they told me my position was being eliminated. However, two days before they informed me of that, I filed an official complaint with HR of discrimination. I hired an attorney.
Honestly, I think corporate has nothing to do this. I think its the location you are working at. I think once you contact corporate and notify them with what's going corporate will intervene. Corperate dont like stuff like this. I was a business major in college.
I have left my job in the bullies are still coming after me. Also, they are using some outside friends and their friends. To help harass me and my family now I need help.I want to go the authorities but I know they are not going to Listen because It is concerning They're on deputies. And there may be others that's buddies with him. This person or deputy has a huge network of people. That's willingly helping camera, open them out and all calls everywhere. Everywhere I go, they are there if anyone. Knows of a high authority guardy that can help me put it in the someone they do. Not know or can cun? These bully persons does not need to be in our system.Unfortunately they are there.They are hidden cancer among the good
Company got bought out and the department were afraid we would get laid off because it was starting to get pretty obvious. After they got what they wanted from us. They didn't lay us off. They just make work slow and tedious. More steps to complete simple task. Deleted daily meetings. Raise work expectations. Decline raises. Reminders that they are watching our productivity. Dodging questions about why we are not getting the same permission as standards employee. I knew what happening and decided to job search. Hopefully i can leave soon before theg find a reason to fire me.
Though, I agree with you on most matters you've said. I can't tolerate a Superior who tries to push you out for "The Usual" Discrimatory reasons. Which is Common Place in Unison with your subject !
Had a strange run in with my boss the other day she just came over to check in on things which is normal and she had mentioned its really weird just she was like you just never know who's watching you. She gave an example of someone who called her (a male customer) Mrs red Ultima (by her car) which she said freaked her out which it would me too but I just don't understand why she would say that ?? Like was she trying to tell me something ... ??
I was laid off from my job late September of last year any have strong reason to believe it was in retaliation of refusing to commit to OSHA violations as well as refusal to violate building codes. I'm seeking to take legal action myself.
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Over worked
I had a lot of similar stuff. I did get HR involved. They protected the harasser and set me up to get let go. I wouldn't trust HR.
Good advice. HR's job is to protect the company from liabilities.
HR is the most narcissistic set of people you’ll ever find.
@@prasonreguri6178 Agree 💯
This.... is why no employees ever trusts HR. They claim or even train that they don't retaliate against harassment reports. It's all just legal compliance training. The reality is different unfortunately. The best move is to leave the team or the company if it's a major problem. Don't mention the incident even when HR asks during the exit interview. Best to avoid the exit interview altogether.
Same happened to me
My last job was toxic af that it ended like an abusive relationship. I wasn't liked any more, the first sign was not getting hours, I was excluded from meetings, left out on conversations, I was ignored whenever I asked something or said something, I found out that my coworkers constantly undermined me in public, so what it looked like: I come in 2 minutes late and I'm called out and made fun of in front of everyone, or I'll say something and my coworkers would exchange glances like there was an inside joke. There was such a huge shift and I got another job where I'm being valued
Watch out for Employee Monitoring Software. This is often why it happens. They can spy on your microphone and camera even in your home.
I just don't get it. I always assumed folks acted mature, but nowadays we're dealing with children in adult bodies.
Happened to me too
Scapegoated ..that's mental abuse
The supervisor plays her favorites. She tolerates me . I even heard she has insulted me behind my back.
The best thing to do in these situations is start a new job hunt and leave. One of two things will happen if you stay: You'll get fired on some technicality or they'll drive your mental health down so far that you have to quit. Both not worth it. Better to leave with dignity and before you lose it.
Yes before it's too far gone and they begin to dump even more on you...
Yup, it's one or the other. At least if you resign, you can control the narrative, and no one else
Love this comment! I am being pushed out and I feel like crap! I don’t have a job but hunting but I feel I need to get out
This happened to me .. they were really bad
Wow. Almost every single one of these. From the beginning. It sucks getting pushed out of a job especially when you know you're more than capable. 🙃
Completely agree with you... a great motivator to find a new job, but demoralizing while you're "stuck" looking.
Talking to HR puts a target on your back
Yep. I made that mistake and faced retaliation: got passed up on promotions but still trained the people for the job they didn’t give me. I finally looked for a competitor company and they offered me a 6 dollar pay increase so I put my two weeks in last month!!! A new company who appreciates me feels great.
I was with that company for 12 years
@@kylewilder8933 I wouldn't put my 2 week in would just left
Painful lesson I've just learned...
Yer, HR is there to protect the organisation from legal liabilities & cover up bad management decisions.
It’s called quiet firing it happens everywhere I’ve seen it and also been a victim to it myself a long time ago in my early 20s. Best advise is quit and leave them in the lurch. Companies sweat big time when staff leave because it puts the burden on then now.
Did it and did not look back. Don't care one bit
I would have, however I had no other income and needed the job. Also would not have been able to qualify for unemployment.
I agree with your sentiment. If the company disrespects you why should you show them any respect?
In my experience, it's healthiest to start finding a new job when you start disagreeing with teammates regularly. I use that as a good barometer now in entrepreneurship to know who to work with and who to avoid.
It's a very sad world, isn't it? We are always talking about human rights, women roghts, all kinds of rights, but we treat each other horribly on daily basis.... sometimes it's not even about your ability or skills, its about who can play the game well....
Do you have a story to tell?
MOST of the time, it's not about your ability. At all.
Well said.
people who *talk* about these rights are the very ones who violate those rights. they talk in order to appear like they care or to just say the "right" things.
I worked at FedEx for 8 months and overtime was bullied by management, went to HR made it worse
HR is only there to protect the company not the employee remember this
It boils down to whether the managers like you, in a typical office. A certain number of managers are bullies/psychopaths, they always need a victim due to their own aberrant psychology and it could come down to them feeling that they can get away with it. One thing with bullies is that if you don't stand up to them they will carry on because they get a twisted kick out of it, it's basically like the playground. I'd say always belong to a union and if you get the sense you're being scapegoated, be prepared to confront them directly over it.
I feel like my company was trying to push me out. Even though I was doing the work of 3 people they refused to hire anyone else. So when they hired someone else after 2 years and my boss quit and was replaced, I just decided to quit since I did not want to train the new person, I did not get along with the new management, and I was afraid they were just going to get rid of me after I trained the new person. It was just too much to deal with all the hours I was working. I am so glad I quit.
“I just decided to quit since I didn’t want to train the new person”. (Among other reasons) Very very SMART move👍👍👍
Yeah I wonder why a lot of companies do that to hard working employees. Same here, I am doing so much work and always making sure that the quality of my work is great but I notice that Managers and coworkers prefer someone that is more of a clown
@ellapretty6927 They want someone who will not complain, kiss their behind, and go with the program. They really don't care if you are a hard worker. You just have to be liked by management.
@@bettyeboop2942 chiming in to say this is right. It’s like they are saying “how dare you have the GUTS to refuse me/us mistreating you”. “You should put up with ANYTHING that I/We dish out. “They really don’t care that you’re a hard worker “. That’s a VERY true statement. Th
Have a nice day.
Workplace horror stories is the sign of the wrong people in charge-- and being put in charge of things. Evil spirits rule in Corporate America
Very good points! I have been in that situation in the past. In these situations, I blamed myself, questioned my worthiness, developed anxiety and became physically unhealthy. I am so glad I found the help that I needed and pursued my own goals by finishing school and to own three side hustles to sustain not only my happiness, but my sanity. It’s so refreshing to have people like you to help other keep an eye for these signs. I wish i would’ve found you earlier in my career. But lets keep the conversation going.. let’s ( in a way) expose employers. Livelihood is a necessity, not a choice.
Very well said. Keep on, keeping on! Thanks, encouragement going through this with colleagues & seems manager is behind it. Wish would mind they’re business & go their jobs! Instead creating trouble: for those who work diligently & ignore them!! But, even ignoring them- make it worse & get harassed by team. Making me look
like bad guy, when problem is dont check their behaviour they should focus on working, instead of ganging up on employees like me! Its called harassment & they should be accountable for consequences, not inflicting pain hurt onto others! Disgraceful! Ppl need get life or mind they’re business! Let ppl live & do they’re job! Cause we all need work & earn a living its our right!🙏
@@sofiagamboz512
Agreed!👌
I agree with all the points except 6:35 part where one should report to HR if a manager is being hostile or harassing to chase you out. From personal experience, HR won't do anything even if you have a legal team and instead, they will side with the manager unless you're part of a protected class.
Yup. I'm part of a protected class and still feel they might fire me.
In my experience, the h r is working for the company and never helps you
HR will always side with management
Why does HR always protect managers?
Even if you are in a protected class, they will still try to find a sneaky way… or some hater will attempt to destroy something for you… Figure out how to protect yourself & never stay in a situation that’s too uncomfortable
The HR team is NOT your friend! Get a lawyer!
They are snakes in the grass...
and a Union rep
I had a situation where I was no longer on the schedule,I asked whats up.They said they were restucturing.There were no problems before. They kept telling me they had everything covered and they cant use me today. This went on for months, I kept showing up just to get sent home, why didnt they lay me off.I told them I refuse to quit. One day I refused to leave and they called the cops. I threatened to get a lawyer and they said go ahead. I did nothing wrong they had no right to do this. They would use me if enough people called off,I never said no.Its wrong and unethical.
I quiet quit when I realized what they were doing. So I quiet quit for the last four years before retirement. Retirement is wonderful! Eff em.
I like your style!
Once you've cycled through all these 'red flags' several times in your worklife, you'll have advanced in resilience - unless you committed suicide. Either you're dead or you've become quite invincible by now. Rise and shine, Soldier!
Thanks man, this is motivating
My experience is when the management wants to get rid of you, eventually they will, especially if it's a low-skilled entry level job.
Exactly I work for home depot they treat their employees like crap.
It’s so screwed up.
@@bettyb1581Home Depot did me dirty
Excluding from meetings. Lack of access to vital information to perform your job especially being part of an upper management
Yes yes and yes again. Very wicked behavior.
Gas lighting your completed work. Ignoring the fact(s) about your accomplishment(s). They will not acknowledge work that took talent and uncommon effort.
Thank you! You got it right.
👍👍👍👍
When bosses say they're going to hold you to "higher standards" such as when you join a union where they advocate for more pay and benefits and they also ask you "how long do you plan on working for us?" when they're giving you their performance evaluation are the red flags you should not overlook where they really don't want you to work with them.
Notably all to often when you join a labor union your boss might retaliate.
I got work place bullied my last 2 office jobs and got depression for 8 months each time. Had to quit both times and recover.
Great video. I’m currently experiencing all of these at once. Man it’s tough. Thanks for the vid and info.
Sorry 😞 I'm also here.
Hurts when it's your family
I work at a store and sometimes feel like I'm being pushed out because they want to find people who work cheaper.
This is a major problem. Greed. My store was recently bought by new owners and I have alot of experience so I make a higher wage. My hours were immediately cut and the new owner avoids me like the plague he BLATANTLY doesn't like me. I'm a stellar worker and I always show up. Work ethic doesn't matter anymore it's a greed game. And that's a fuckin problem. 😠
@@deenanthekemoni5567 Sorry to hear that. Since you have a lot of experience, aren't you full-time? 🤔
They ain't pushing me out . I'm pushing back
Great!! Good, on you!! I like & admire your attitude!! I’m the same way: they don’t like they could go elsewhere! Not being pushed out!!🙏💯Unless, I decide to leave on my terms!! Good for you!!💯😎👍👍🙏
My management team told me they hope to keep me for a little ng time then even since after my confirmation, pay raise and confusing things that made me feel devalued, I still tell them voluntarily that they don't need to worry because I am staying there even if I have to concrete my feet to the parking lot I don't plan to leave them and in saying that its kind of a compliment to them that I DO value them and don't want them to sink if they mistakenly would replace me w a real dingbat because candidates can be anything they want to get the job but that doesn't mean they can handle a workload of 4 into 1 person, by myself and I like that
Something stubborn is rising up in me. This is the 4th manager we’ve had in my year at this company. This one is an abusive bully who has turned her wrath on me. I do my job. She will have to invent something. She may do that. But I piss her off by not getting mad and giving her a reaction. You wanna get rid of me, honey, you gonna have to do alllll the paperwork.
Push too hard you are a target… Just be careful, honey
I will take less money to work with less people or work completely alone.. I'll shovel rotten mayonnaise for minimum wage if im working alone :)
Often they do not want to fire someone as it involves paperwork, could cost the company money, and the employee may sue for unfair dismissal. So they push you out so you quit of your own accord, such as the impossible (or mundane) jobs you mention that they give you.
Then they also don't have to pay for unemployment insurance whereas with getting fired, more likely they would have to pay it.
If they fire you (especially
for “performance issues “😑) you’ll get unemployment. Most likely…
Mine is probably beyond chump change 🫤. It’s something.
Total Bummer , My new manager is a witch . She’s not being honest. I’m basically unemployed again…. ☹️I have 1 shift a week. So shitty…
I’m
being shafted. 😣
I think I’ll stay on for a few , they can fire my ass.
Don't quit. Make them fire you and document everything in case you can sue later.
I couldn’t take it long
I wish I saw this video early. I was just released from my first tech hr job. I was in training and shadowing for 2 1/2 months. No complaints from anyone. Things were great and then the third month I was “PIP”, the reasons listed were refutable with proof and did not relate to my performance. Since the manager literally followed up and said I was doing good in HR. 2 weeks later I was micromanaged, publicly undermined in email, and blamed by someone I didn’t work with for things that weren’t true. This carried on for the next 4 weeks. Yesterday I was fired “for not making the progress” they wanted. They couldn’t look at me as they talked. I left confused. Almost 5 months in.
Did you get unemployment?
F'em. They don't deserve you.
This is spot on. I can look back now and look at it objectively, but while it was happening, I just couldn't believe it. All of the things you've described happened to me... I tried to fight back, but HR was no help at all. In fact, alerting them to this pattern only exacerbated the situation. HR is not your friend! I was subsequently "let go" after what they called a "resource action"... it was devastating at the time, but I survived, and eventually found another good job. I am no longer bitter, but just reflective. I'm glad that I'm able to look back at it, and recognize that it was the best thing for me. I'm now happily retired, and have no regrets! Thank you for letting people know what I didn't know at the time...
Had some of these signs. The principal/CEO started treating me differently, I no longer was able to go to the semi-annual meetings, got assigned a mentor (the second time this happened, I'm surprised he didn't include that as one of the things), and got given a task that they wouldn't tell me what I did wrong to fix it, just told me it was wrong. That place became so toxic and discriminatory that it would a figure it out yourself with little to no training.
I've been in my job for 6 years and I've been a top performer in terms of output. A year ago, they hired someone and had spoken about management to him and taking over from the manager, I tried to have a conversation with my manager and it didn't go well. Now they've hired another and the manager is mentoring him in this position and has not have a conversation with me. This man is being mentored to be my manager and the process does not seem fair. Emotionally I am drained because I feel it's unfair.
Find another job and get out. Use all of your sick and vacation first. GO AND DONT LOOK BACK!
I went through this. HR was absolutely useless. 😮
I apologize if I’m all over the place, but here’s my story:
In late February 2022, I worked remotely for a small company located in Iowa as a featured web writer. I basically wrote articles that focused on how to use products from a well-known tech brand. I felt like I was on cloud 9 after years of looking and applying for jobs. I was doing something that I enjoyed, the people seemed nice and were eager to help me, I got to travel to Iowa (plane ticket and hotel room was paid for by the company) for company week in July and really enjoyed myself. They even told me not to be afraid of asking for help and to utilize resources. I even had articles that were doing really good with clicks and views. All of that changed in October.
In the early hours of October 5th, my mom and I had to move out of our apartment because our jerk of a third-floor neighbor flooded us out, and we lived on the first floor. We had to stay at a hotel. We had no idea when we were going to either move back in or get another permanent place to stay. Plus, my mom had to do training for dialysis, and she needed a stable place to live. Thankfully, I had some PTO left and I told my former boss and the execs the situation, and they let me take some 2 weeks off to focus on moving our stuff out from the apartment so that it could be worked on. After the two weeks and still at the hotel, I went back to work on Oct 17, and my boss welcomed me back and told me that I need to do my employee evaluation. I decided to get it over with. I took the Zoom call, and that’s when they (the execs) told me that I was going to be put on probation due to performance. What really didn’t sit well was when one of the execs mentioned that they fired a co-worker of mine because “he wasn’t interested in improving his performance.” He was hired a week after I was hired. I felt that disclosing his termination during my evaluation was a bit unprofessional of the execs to do. I might be wrong, but I heard that when you do an employee evaluation, it isn’t a good idea to talk about other employees. Anyway, the execs were like, “We don’t want to let go of you, and that’s why we’re putting you on probation.” Then, they talked about what they enjoyed about me, as if that was going to make things better. After the execs left the call, my boss told me that she was surprised that they were going to make that decision regarding my employment (she participated in the call), but that she would make sure that she would help me make improvements on my performance. They didn’t give a certain time frame for the probation, and I was hoping I would be able to redeem myself. We finally moved into another apartment in early November, and I had to take some more days off to accompany my mom with her dialysis training. Both November and December were very busy when it came to work. Not only was I writing articles and reporting to my boss and two other people, I was also answering tickets from people who read the articles from the website, and the volume was usually high. Plus, answering tickets was very stressful because you have to make sure that you’re providing accurate information, and many of the tickets that people sent had very complex questions. The co-worker that they had let go of was doing the same tasks as I was doing, so that meant more work for me. Then, around that time, my boss wasn’t available as usual because she had a family crisis. She basically made sure that two of my co-workers with more experience made sure I was getting everything that I needed to improve my performance. My workload was very heavy. One Thursday in December, one the execs wanted me to join Zoom call, and I was nervous. I joined the chat, and they wanted to let me know that I was getting a bonus, and told me that I deserved it for working hard. I was relieved because I thought they were going to fire me then. Then, they decided to change the format of the web articles. On Jan 4th, My boss told me to join a Zoom call, and I already knew what it was about. They basically said I was being let go. They even talked about how they enjoyed me and how I was such a hard worker. I hated it because I felt that I had fitted in. A few weeks after I got let go, I decided to check on the co-worker that they had fired prior to me. He told me that they had fired him two days into his probation. The whole, ”He wasn’t interested in improving his performance” explanation doesn’t make any sense because how can someone tell in two days if a person isn’t showing interest in improving their performance? To me, that’s not enough time, but of course Iowa is an “at-will” state. It was a shock to me when the execs brought it up because I felt that this co-worker was doing better than I was doing. I hope he’s doing okay. Another thing that kind of makes me wonder was that a month or two before I got flooded out, my boss reached out to me to see if I could answer tickets from customers, and I said yes because I remembered seeing the task as part of the job description when I applied. Guess what? She had asked the same co-worker at the same time and we both were trained at the same time. So, I feel that they were already planning to let us go. Also, while I was out due to the flooding, they were interviewing with one of the freelance writers, and they hired him to replace the co-worker who got fired. I got to meet him, and he was nice. But that goes to say they were already making changes within the company.
When I was employed at that place, I felt a sense of belonging somewhere. Even when I went to Iowa for company week, I enjoyed myself. They even gave everyone a t-shirt and a water bottle with the company logo. We even took company photos. I wore that shirt and used that bottle with pride, and I was hoping that I would be able to attend this year’s company week. Now that I’m no longer working there, I can’t even bear to look at the shirt and the bottle.
They say it was due to performance, but sometimes I wonder. Maybe they saw that I enjoyed my job “too much”. Maybe it was due to me being the only Black person working there at the time, and they just chose me as a diversity hire. I will never know, but I do feel that something was a bit off about the situation.
As for me, I’m currently applying for jobs and I’m working on getting a Google certificate for UX design through Coursera. Wish me well.
So sorry to hear all of this but the forever job you will find you will be thankful because it will make the newer job look better yet I am sure that you gained new skills to bring into the new one you will get .... You can and will get through it and don't let anybody bully you into doubting yourself in any way ...
Have you found something else. They sound like total jerks. Hope you found employment elsewhere.
Thank you for sharing. Best wishes for success, you can do it! Youve got the skills-keep going!
I had to quit my job as a software developer, now it’s been two months jobless, the reason I had to quit is because they were saying I was not meeting expectations despite all my efforts, after researching online, I concluded that is worse being fired than just quitting for job finding. Is a shame… I really love being a programmer but now I feel like an impostor.
Thank you.i was in a similar situation over three years ago.i left for another job and I have absolutely no regrets.
I learned this valuable lesson while working in the Young Offenders system in Alberta Canada. The supervisors were WoRSE than the criminals I worked with. Back stabbing, gossiping group. Years later it still hurts.
Those things recently happened to me on a job by the owner. He called me the other day to lower the boom and I just nonchalantly told him ‘Ok’ and hung up on him while he was still talking. 🤷🏽♂️
😂😂I'd cuss his ass out first then hang up knowing me.😃😃 The nerve of him to call afterwards.
@@marlenafina3481 😂😂
I got him enough when I was still there, I only worked there for over two months and he lost 5 employees in that time period, 2 walked out mid shift. He hired a woman to replace me with an tried to belittle me one day by saying that he was surprised that I hadn’t made any mistakes doing the job (which I never had before and never came across as incompetent in any way) so right in front of her I told him to worry more about the 5 employees who chose to be unemployed than to work for him, the whole room was quiet and the new hire looked really awkward…a couple days later I got the phone call. 😂😂😂
I have a better job now and didn’t even need him as a reference. 😉
My job has been providing less shifts for me and has recently excluded me from accepting shifts because "I don't meet the requirements for this shift" despite the amount of experience i have with childcare through ages 1-11. A clear tale sign that they want me gone.
It’s a shame that you have to link your mistreatment to an accepted form of discrimination in order for HR to be involved. It should just be “I’m doing a good job, and being bullied and undermined by psychos for no reason, deal with it.” The fact that they don’t care unless a buzzword like discrimination is triggered shows that the only thing they care about is the company image, nothing else. Btw if people want to know the cause of the disastrous lack of productivity in the west which will rapidly lead to our collective demise, it’s not that people are lazy or entitled, it’s that we’ve internally accepted and even promoted the idea of psychopathic behaviour in the working environment, turning it into such a toxic hellscape that the only sane thing to do as a reasonable and self respecting individual is reassess one’s life goals and decide to aim for frugality and freedom through quiet quitting, van life, or early retirement. I think psychos in the workplace are destroying western civilisation, together with their short sighted bosses who promote them. Encouraging dog-eat-dog, psycho behaviours, far from driving up productivity as we’d think, this has actually backfired and now no-one is doing their jobs properly, because doing so gives them no stability, financial reward, company loyalty, promotions or kudos.
That was perfectly said. I feel so sad right now.
I was getting pushed out, so I started looking among other reasons. My boss found out about it and she let me go and said I was disloyal by interviewing elsewhere.
I quit a job and they told my future employers that they fired me. My new employer fired me because they believed I was fired because my former employer told them that. It was awful.
Lol... pretext
You should be getting unemployment benefits.
Yup
This is my job to a t. I'm so done and they can fire me or get over it
Go to your supervisor? Go to HR? Are you kidding? Those that are being harassed are usually.... the least likely...to reach out for help. And if we did....there'd have been no one to help...when you find...that the whole bunch..... is rancid.
Rancid indeed. Rotten to the core.
@@smoothiecutie2277 What I've learned...is that most people aren't as civil...or as kind...or as inclusive.....as you would assume...or hope... they'd be.
It's just ridiculous. I've seen it at almost every job I've worked.
Some.... deadlier than others!!!
May they get back....what they dish out!!
@@allkindsamusicchickHi. It’s 9.7.24 and I just noticed your comment. You are absolutely right!!!!
Yes all good signs to know about
Thanks, Ali!
I am experiencing this even though I got a salary raise as a retainer a few months back. Not sure what to make of it.
Some managers thrive making other people miserable and creating a toxic environment.
Wooow . Great and solid information
Can’t help but notice Atlas of the Heart on the bookshelf in the background
One of my FAVORITE books/authors. Brene is an absolute icon.
My employer gave me all the failed projects, but I turned them around, except financially of course because gobs of money had already been spent. On the one project I asked the current PM to keep managing it, while I focused on deliverables. The project reviewer started in to me about how poorly my project was performing financially, I said not my problem, I’m responsible for deliverables only. She was pissed. I got a new job shortly thereafter.
THANK GOD I AM SELF EMPLOYED NOW
I am in manufacturing and not an office. I can relate to the "impossible tasks" and the "unnecessary difficulty" as I am being given more and more work and expected to complete it in the same amount of time. A new engineer even commented that I was set up for failure because all the test procedures are not released on line yet. I am supposed to figure everything out and get it done. I build a piece of lab equipment. I build it and put it in the lab for testing. Slowly I have been given the task to do the testing after I build it just to put it in the lab and have them do the same testing. The reason is so I can find all the issues and fix them so the lab gets a perfect product and simply runs through the same testing without failure so the unit will have what they call "first pass quality." It's redundant and since I don't use any of the chemicals and a lot of the testing is done with the same test unit, the results are different and it's like I'm doing the testing for nothing. I feel like they are just doing it to make me quit or to make me fail so I get fired.
My first 4 years was fantastic, I was consistently asked to contribute to projects, was able to innovate and develop new items. Two women in my team evidently didn't like me succeeding and decided to completely screw me over, my supervisor believed their lies, HR got involved and it has been a steady decline since. I'm now a pariah, a scapegoat and consistently undermined. I used to start early and finish late, along with working through my lunch breaks. Now I work from my start time to finish time, take all of my due breaks and don't bother sharing the improvement opportunities I see or could contribute to - I just DGAF anymore and have stopped networking within my business, I don't trust anyone there anymore. I'm putting my energy into other places and will take the skills I'm continuing to develop out of work hours elsewhere soon, to a less toxic environment.
Wow. That's earily what happened to me years ago. Worked in a retail mgt. job, always had good reviews for years, than a couple of harpies came in from the outside (who were clueless at their job) and made my life a living hell. Fortunately both got fired within 2 years.
NEVER trust HR! That's the worst possible advice.
YOu and about 30 other commenters say the same thing. You guys are spot on. Many people watch the TV show "The Office" and think because the guy who plays the HR character in that show (think his name was Toby) acts as an impartial judge who protects the workers in that show, that is how it is in real life. Soooo far off. lol
This includes making you produce bricks without giving you straws.or lying about your performance.
Thank you so much. I am feeling very left out in my company.
Spot on. Withholding straw needed to make the bricks but you still have to meet the quota.
They doubled my area and kept taking my people away. and changed the sort on me many times. getting more frequent with it as I kept hanging on. and with every sort change comes the need to order new labels may I mind you. Downright asking me to just quit. Saying stuff like.. "this isn't a joke. I genuinely want you to resign" Making things harder everytime I declined. and then finally when I had enough. I hear from someone who was still working there that after I left. He put everything back to the way it was. The smaller area. No longer changing the sort. Just business as usual. And That's why I hate UPS. Unbelievable that they got away with this shit. my heart is broken.
I am a lighting tech in Macau 🇲🇴 and during pandemic the company transferred me to work at help desk as operator on shift hours. They thought I will quit…..but after one year I still survive 💪🏻💪🏻Later I found they have hiring ads for my tech job. Well, I have thought of writing a complaint letter to the CEO. But later I think the best way is to get the year end bonus, get a better job, write a book on history of entertainment (including my experience of the dark side). Those who trashed me will have their names engraved in the history book. 🚬😎🥃
Legal should be also contacted if you go to HR. It's necessary to communicate a realistic plan to sue the company if you go to HR so that you can negotiate a settlement/severance. Being technically eligible for rehire should be part of the release-of-claims agreement.
How do you go about this?
I literally asked for more hours and if i could swap a day because i had something to do for graduation requirements. I had the person who i was swapping with and my old boss said okay, so i check later and i see that my days got completely cut to 2 days in a week. This Week & Next Week. I've had enough of this because i was there for months (I'm still in high school) so i decided to just call it quits and focus on school. They had the nerve to hang up on me multiple times when i tried to confront them about this and then they picked up a few hours later. Needless to say I'm happier
HR acts like they care but they are only there for the employer. I was lied about. One sided comments that I never even knew about until it showed up on a PIP. The termination document was even worse. Could not file an appeal for unemployment due to lack of evidence. Employer went into my home computer and deleted my saved emails. Wasn't aware they could do that. One last kick in the ass I guess .Glad to be out of there.
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You have no idea how much i related to this .. thank you and i hope this helps other people .. id live to have a one on one rant about some stuff.. anyway. For me its done and over with besides the mental health part.
Thats what I thought months back. Once they get what they needed to know get rid of you,,,,
I have been excluded, Ignored and Isolated. My boss set up a CoE and basically isolated me, which has devalued my position.
try working remote for 1 year and your supervisors and employers don't even acknowledge you, super dry with you every time you message them and make you feel like it its a bother that you are even talking to them.
and then 1 time they reach out to you is to tell you how much better you should be doing at the job.
I just went through this for a whole year I wish I could have found this earlier
The only point I'd disagree with is getting HR involved. I don't trust HR, and always ask the question: in an HR mediated dispute, who does the company think is more valuable?
Deliberately mis-taking your respectful actions toward a productive work product, as disrespectful actions toward unproductive result/outcome.
Never go to HR unless you want to negotiate an Exit package. HR will always protect the manager. I repeat Never go to HR.
You would be much better bringing a baseball bat to work than going to HR, his advice will likely cost you your job.
Thank you, very informative.
This is me, I was pushed out of my company for 12-13 years of service. My manager now used to be an employee I worked side by side with. Now he’s a power hungry micromanager who doesn’t inspire anything to senior techs.
Best get tossed off sinking ship before it begins to departure from docks.
Very good tips. A few of these apply.
Good points except for "Getting HR involved". This has ALWAYS backfired. They are protecting the organization, not the employees
My boss is currently doing this. I was talked to in the past about not being super smiley and friendly. But it was never write up worthy. Now the relatively new GM is literally telling me I need to be acknowledging EVERY person coming through or I'm done by next week. I've literally saved lives in the past with CPR and AED use. But apparently that pales in comparison to making sure I'm super friendly.
All this is happening to me right now and I stopped caring. I do my work and wait for my pay check at month end. If they have an issue with my actual work we can always dicuss it in HR otherwise i just ignore everyone.
A woman I once worked with was forced out of her employer (a large toy manufacturer) and they followed the classic script to get her to leave: it started with a poor performance review, then isolating her by moving her to a cubicle surrounded by packing boxes in a relatively unused area of the office and finally depriving her of meaningful work.
They gave her 3 months to find a job at another company so they wouldn’t have to pay her severance. But 3 months later she was still there so she was called into a meeting with an HR rep, her manager and a corporate attorney and told her job was being eliminated and offered her an enhanced severance package which for her to receive it she had to sign away her right to sue the company.
I’m so glad I’m retired so I don’t have to deal with this kind of crap anymore.
My last job was the worst. I think I was micromanaged. They were listening to my phone conversations, finding errors all the time. Why team lead would spend so much time auditing my work when she had so many other things to do. I think she was jealous and competing with a new hire. She increased the work load so that I get frustrated and leave. I feel I was pushed out. I had to quit that job. Terrible leadership I must say.
What type of lawyer should you get.
Thank you
What if it's a small office and there is no "HR"? A woman in my office, I've been there 15 years, has decided SHE wants it ALL. She wants everyone but her and her "staff" gone. Problem: my boss of 15 years, isn't well and wants to retire. This woman wants to buy all of his clients and push him completely out. It's all very sad for everyone involved. This woman has no ethics, she has no scruples, she'll back stab anyone who tells her "No."
If I quit then I can't collect unemployment. Yeah, it's California.
OMG her assistant is THE flying monkey.
This may sound nasty, but what happens if you have a boss and/or coworkers sabotaging your work? I heard of this happening as well...to the extent where a business will even have a small setback as long as you're out.
There's generally two master plans: one for your entry, and the second for your exit.
I’m not too sure anymore. Maybe it’s my paranoia playing up but I feel that I should be looking for another job. Team members are leaving and they are not being replaced and we are expected to do the work of thirty people when there are only ten people left. I’ve been there for six and a half years but my face has never fitted in the team. Work is being taken away from me and I’m the only one working in the office so I am getting all kind of requests which is distracting me from my main task. I’ve also been asked to train the new starts but I am still expected to do my own work load and check the new starts work as well. I also have to take calls from the new starts in regards to helping them with a task. I think it’s time for me to look for a new job but the grass is never greener but it’s probably better then where I am.
I had number 5 happen to me before. I was temping so I was fair game anyway. Had to complete 17 tasks each day but I was assigned some tasks that I was not trained not to do. Sacked by the client and escorted off the premises. Not crestfallen about what had happened as I didn't like the job or the people. Went back to the agency who found me another temp job working with nicer people, much better. Sadly they only required my services for a few weeks and I was let go again, albeit on happier circumstances.
You are right I’m blanked for mistakes thank you and as for the isolation yes just like you said . I’m also the only 1 that has been drug tested,if a company is going to get rid of me I would rather them not sugar coat or just fire or let me know.
Makes sense to me. HResources was no help at all.
What is the Most Sad about this is how it affects your psyche and Your Life. Try to realize: you are surrounded by people who show up unclean, unpressed (wearing dirty dog-hair laundry). You are surrounded by the person who calls in sick over 9 times a year (while you have a third of that or don’t call in), and finally, a great rapport with most co-workers and clients.
Remember this: you are a valued person! F--‘em!
This just happened to me
By a co worker but not fired
I recently got confirmed w a pay increase but since, though I have changed anythung in my work style except work longer hours so my supervisor can get more time to relax bc she seems very stressed but suddenly I don't feel valued like before and sad bc once I got confirmed they feel comfortable w me enough to let the person's mood be the course of my day and it doesn't feels n ce, even if the person was in my place earlier before ranking up
Job tasks have been increased and boss takes 4-6 weeks to review and find a reason to reject procedure changes
Disagree
Do not get HR involved
Good morning so I was told that I refused to do my job which wasn’t true…he also stated my resignation was accepted which I never resigned…he said it was accepted when you walked out the door…I was told by my manager and security to leave the building…my boss texted me and said thank you for your services…I keep asking was I fired and his reply was you refused to do your job…he never said I was fired or terminated…him and my manager ignore all of my calls and my boss said we won’t speak until I stop lying…I work Sunday -Thursday do I still go in to work or was I fired?
From what it sounds like, they are trying to frame it like you left on your own.. when it sounds like you where fired without actually being fired. But you will need that confirmation from HR because if you were fired, it opens them up to wrongful termination lawsuit if there was something going on. But I would check with the HR department if you can because it doesn’t sound like you were fired.. it sounds like they’re gaslighting you into thinking you were fired.
I had all of these signs. All you can really do is to look for another job. Networking with others outside the company while your there. If you have the luxuries just quit.
Tough world to make a dime in peace
2:06 I pretend I am tough. I’m not. Being ignored is damn painful.
I can say that every single point you outlined has been happening to me over the past 7 to 8 months. Not just me, but the only other black person that reports to me. I went to HR, they did nothing. They basically were working with my boss the harasser. They overloaded me with work in hopes that I couldn't meet their ridiculous deadlines, but I did--although it meant I had to work 75 hours a week. Then they told me my position was being eliminated. However, two days before they informed me of that, I filed an official complaint with HR of discrimination. I hired an attorney.
Honestly, I think corporate has nothing to do this. I think its the location you are working at. I think once you contact corporate and notify them with what's going corporate will intervene. Corperate dont like stuff like this. I was a business major in college.
I have left my job in the bullies are still coming after me. Also, they are using some outside friends and their friends. To help harass me and my family now I need help.I want to go the authorities but I know they are not going to Listen because It is concerning They're on deputies. And there may be others that's buddies with him. This person or deputy has a huge network of people. That's willingly helping camera, open them out and all calls everywhere. Everywhere I go, they are there if anyone. Knows of a high authority guardy that can help me put it in the someone they do.
Not know or can cun? These bully persons does not need to be in our system.Unfortunately they are there.They are hidden cancer among the good
Company got bought out and the department were afraid we would get laid off because it was starting to get pretty obvious. After they got what they wanted from us. They didn't lay us off. They just make work slow and tedious. More steps to complete simple task. Deleted daily meetings. Raise work expectations. Decline raises. Reminders that they are watching our productivity. Dodging questions about why we are not getting the same permission as standards employee. I knew what happening and decided to job search. Hopefully i can leave soon before theg find a reason to fire me.
Though, I agree with you on most matters you've said. I can't tolerate a Superior who tries to push you out for "The Usual" Discrimatory reasons. Which is Common Place in Unison with your subject !
Had a strange run in with my boss the other day she just came over to check in on things which is normal and she had mentioned its really weird just she was like you just never know who's watching you. She gave an example of someone who called her (a male customer) Mrs red Ultima (by her car) which she said freaked her out which it would me too but I just don't understand why she would say that ?? Like was she trying to tell me something ... ??
Also when they get others to pointlessly duplicate work you do it is a sign that they want you to move on.
I was laid off from my job late September of last year any have strong reason to believe it was in retaliation of refusing to commit to OSHA violations as well as refusal to violate building codes. I'm seeking to take legal action myself.
This is literally just my job description lol it's weird