Good work on explaining the complexities of proper suspension setup. I’d say 80% of slammed car owners don’t understand this and another 10% of owners don’t do this.
If anyone understands it, it is going to be the slammed vehicles lol. Considering they have to account for chassis swap to not buckle or crush a body panel.
Thanks for being that car channel that best describes my interests within the car community. You guys are phenomenal. It’s been a trip, I’ve been watching since the escort and the progress speaks for itself…
Good job going through this all! Definitely one of the clearest videos for teaching how to setup 2 piece coilovers with goodninfor to take to one piece coilovers. Will be sharing as a demonstration of how to setup suspension.
really wish you guys would do a in -depth series on this technical stuff that no one on yt talks about. you know,, in your usual way and not in front of a chalk board. it would be very educational; for those whom dont have the connections for this type of reliable info locally.
This couldn’t have came at at better time! I just literally installed 2 way adjustable Coilovers on my c5 vette & I was wondering how to properly setup them up. Awesome job explaining everything.
I can never focus on your topic when you're working on the Civic because I'm too busy admiring that Civic. That generation Civic hatchback has such a timeless design in my opinion.
Proper video. Few points to add; Tbf it doesn’t make whole lot of sense to first set the spring perch heights(rideheight) b4 setting the full compr setting since you’re gonna adjust it anyway, this way, you can save some time by installing coilover directly, without a spring. And every tire is different from another, for example 195/50/15 ar-1 vs 195/50/15 R888, there is a 7/8mm height difference in the tire. (Even some width) This means that the tire will hit the chassis in full compression.. And the bumpstop will compress more than what you’re able to do with the cars weight & lifting the wishbone & coilover to check bumpstop travel. For example at foxhole in nurburgring, there can easily be 2G’s. It’s a good measure to factor in a 5mm extra space between tire & chassis if you really dont want to rub in ANY situation.
Yes because he wants a certain ride height and it will be too low after he adjusts the body (to be shorter overall which lowers the car) if you don't increase it back with some preload.
Maybe not much better with current materials and design mindset but new technologies and materials science could radically change how cars and suspension works.
What's sitting in your lap while you're in the driver's seat, showing the corner balance on the scale display? Ballast of some sort? I initially thought it might be your helmet/race suit, but it looks like it's attached to the steering wheel, so I'm not sure what I'm looking at! Great video, as always. Love that you're giving us this level of technical detail, it's great to see how much thought goes into making a fast car that tenth faster.
I think the most important part is the camber and toe adjustment, I saw you doing it but not explained, off corse that can be dial in the track with a infrared thermometer.
I mean considering he just tracks the car and never uses it on the road I expect him to not regret it at all. Especially considering its a FWD car. FWD cars really do completely transform when given full racecar spec. Also keep in mind that going full racecar allows him to get creative considering the class he is in, and obviously this is great for the YT channel. I don't know what his personal views are but I think he's done the right thing going full track tool on this one. And obviously the Honda platform is more than ideal for that
@@miguelaguilera6601 I get that, and your english is good! I just wonder, is the fun of hopping into a car and ripping up the canyons missed. I'm sure track days are massive fun, but a massive headache too. The finacial aspect must be daunting as well
@@iansharpe8420 I sure miss the canyon days. Honestly I want them to finish the Mr2 Toyota engine swap build and the K swap S2000 build and do some canyon runs... I think once they are done with both of those cars which I would say it'll take them 10 months.. they should do a nice road trip. Something like east to west or north to south or diagonally crossing the country
I want the most comfortable ride coilovers I can get for my daily driven ‘91 Civic hatch. As for ride height, I’m not looking to be slammed, again this is a daily driver so a little lower than stock is preferred. Currently my Civic has Tein progressive lowering springs with Bilstein struts. All other suspension components are Hardrace with hardened rubber bushings. So which coilovers and brands do you guys suggest for the most in comfort?
Why do you want to lower the shock body and utilise the bumpstop (have the bumpstop compressed) inlieu spring compression? Most coilovers are height adjustable at the lower collar and using the strut lower cup. I just wanted to know why the need to utilise the bumpstop and not the springs to prevent bottoming out?
bottoming out on a spring turns the coilovers solid and is very harsh on the car it will upset your weight balance, bottoming out on a rubber bump stop will ease the weight transfer to the car and is not as harsh as a solid metal spring at full compression.
It’s funny because isn’t fortune one of the coilover companies that say to adjust ride height with the lower collar and cup and not with preload? I do agree making sure your tire and arms don’t hit sure makes a lot of sense but I think fortune is one of the companies who say don’t adjust preload for ride height.
Serious question here! Ik there are tons of factors when it comes to spring rates but looking for a good rule of thumb for a fwd track car. Do you want neutral spring rates or a stiff bias to front/rear? For context my car is front heavy 60-40,lowered, big rear sway bar, cambered -2,-1.5 with .01 toe out front and rear. Any help is appreciated as theres so much personal biased info but i want facts.
I can't get over how handsome the fortune auto representative is at the beginning of the video. Like I'm not even gay, bro just has really great teeth.
You skipped checking the corner balance after attaching the swaybars. That's what adjustable swaybar endlinks are for. A lot of aftermarket bars aren't perfectly symmetrical and will "wedge" the car a little with equal length swaybar endlinks. Obviously this is a manufacturing tolerance thing so it's possible the bars are perfect, just not likely.
Do you mean a non fixed mount shock? Although a fixed mount shock typically has more shock stroke you also are limiting travel when you adjust ride height and droop etc. since typically they have helpers and it’s not independent adjustment. Luckily for Ben in this situation we were able to increase shock stroke and body size especially in the rear because of the wheel size he has and other items on his current suspension so travel isn’t an issue here.
I believe we are talking about the same thing. I know what you're saying, but if the damper is properly designed for the car you can often get the drop you want with a lot more droop travel. Most cars can't drop too much anyway without affecting suspension/steering geometry or running out of physical space. As far as Ben having enough travel... I guess we'll see. If I understood him right overall travel was 3.5-4". That doesn't seem like that much to me. I think the problem he was having before on his old coilovers at least in part was the droop was limited so he was lifting his inside rear tire making the car loose through some transitions. Having dealt with that myself the solution is more spring and less bar (assuming IRS, not a Honda guy) along with increased droop travel.
@@salspec3381 Yeah, from being at the events with the suspension on it, seems to have cleared up his issues. He is driving faster than prior which with the new episodes from Gridlife about to drop you’ll see what I mean in terms of competitiveness with how the field is now in Club TR.
Momma I made it 🙌🏾 in all seriousness, I’m happy you’re on our suspension finally and the results speak for themselves!
Damn devin ahaha um 😳
@@zoetice433 huh ? 😅
our boy!
He's been on Fortune for years?
@@juggy-b9e nope, he was on Ktuned prior. Tall Ben has been on our suspension for a while
Finally a channel that shows the correct way to set up coilovers 👏
Good work on explaining the complexities of proper suspension setup. I’d say 80% of slammed car owners don’t understand this and another 10% of owners don’t do this.
If anyone understands it, it is going to be the slammed vehicles lol. Considering they have to account for chassis swap to not buckle or crush a body panel.
Thanks for being that car channel that best describes my interests within the car community. You guys are phenomenal. It’s been a trip, I’ve been watching since the escort and the progress speaks for itself…
Good job going through this all! Definitely one of the clearest videos for teaching how to setup 2 piece coilovers with goodninfor to take to one piece coilovers. Will be sharing as a demonstration of how to setup suspension.
One of the very few youtube channels that goes over the correct way to setup coilovers! Great video as always!
Keep these type of track technical video coming 👍 ❤️
Finally someone made this video. So many people dont know and dont really show how to set it up out of the box.
This channel has come a long way from working on your turbo escort. Great to see the progress.
really wish you guys would do a in -depth series on this technical stuff that no one on yt talks about. you know,, in your usual way and not in front of a chalk board. it would be very educational; for those whom dont have the connections for this type of reliable info locally.
This couldn’t have came at at better time! I just literally installed 2 way adjustable Coilovers on my c5 vette & I was wondering how to properly setup them up. Awesome job explaining everything.
Without a doubt, this is the best coilover setup video in the history of RUclips. I'll see you in Club TR next year! 🍺
I absolutely love it when you guys do the work on your vehicles yourself! Loved the video!
Fortune auto is great, and Devin is a huge help for dialing in my setup!
Finally a proper guide for coilover install!
Thank you for this. Interesting. Hope this gets a follow-up on the track with some explanation about what you notice and how you adjust.
Your project civic car is getting faster as well as becoming prettier than ever before!
Nice seeing the science behind suspension travel. If done right, double wishbone’s ability to toe out is going to create some magic.
I can never focus on your topic when you're working on the Civic because I'm too busy admiring that Civic. That generation Civic hatchback has such a timeless design in my opinion.
Guess who just joined a Motorsport Engineering course. This is great help.
These videos make my saturday mornings
I love this civic. Excited to see where it goes once you decide to go higher class again!
Proper video. Few points to add; Tbf it doesn’t make whole lot of sense to first set the spring perch heights(rideheight) b4 setting the full compr setting since you’re gonna adjust it anyway, this way, you can save some time by installing coilover directly, without a spring.
And every tire is different from another, for example 195/50/15 ar-1 vs 195/50/15 R888, there is a 7/8mm height difference in the tire. (Even some width) This means that the tire will hit the chassis in full compression..
And the bumpstop will compress more than what you’re able to do with the cars weight & lifting the wishbone & coilover to check bumpstop travel. For example at foxhole in nurburgring, there can easily be 2G’s. It’s a good measure to factor in a 5mm extra space between tire & chassis if you really dont want to rub in ANY situation.
MY FA500s show up this wed! I'm really excited.
At 9:30 , are you also changing the preload of the spring?
Yes because he wants a certain ride height and it will be too low after he adjusts the body (to be shorter overall which lowers the car) if you don't increase it back with some preload.
Think I need to watch this again because it’s so good and redo my simple 1 way coilovers. Amazing video
Excited when mine arrives
Great explanation, thanks Ben. Makes me wonder how much better can suspension tech get? Interesting stuff for sure.
Maybe not much better with current materials and design mindset but new technologies and materials science could radically change how cars and suspension works.
A LOT better with race dampers, and then even more with mode decoupling
new cars coming out like iphones no one's got time to do proper r&d
Finally! Suspension made by an actual suspension company.
Can’t wait to see the changes with the new suspension
Great episode! Been waiting for this one for a while.
A nice glaze over it but still informative to those who don't know. Can't wait to see the ZX2 get a set
What's sitting in your lap while you're in the driver's seat, showing the corner balance on the scale display? Ballast of some sort? I initially thought it might be your helmet/race suit, but it looks like it's attached to the steering wheel, so I'm not sure what I'm looking at! Great video, as always. Love that you're giving us this level of technical detail, it's great to see how much thought goes into making a fast car that tenth faster.
Love the information, thank you for the time and effort
Great resources. Huge fan of what you guys do. Much love!
Bro love your car. Bought a shirt the other day. Trying to set my car up for road racing.
Thanks for the content guys,,,love from kenya 🇰🇪
great explanation on everything! broke it down nicely! really enjoyed this one
👏👏👏👏👏 HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WEEKEND EVERYONE
This will be helpful when I go to get my new dedicated track setup
I think the most important part is the camber and toe adjustment, I saw you doing it but not explained, off corse that can be dial in the track with a infrared thermometer.
God damn. My man is running the dreadnought. Tell me your suspension is more expensive then your car without telling me.
Hey thanks for all the valuable information!
million dollar question, don you regret going full race car? was it more fun while it was simple? curious moreso than anything. great video as always
I mean considering he just tracks the car and never uses it on the road I expect him to not regret it at all. Especially considering its a FWD car. FWD cars really do completely transform when given full racecar spec. Also keep in mind that going full racecar allows him to get creative considering the class he is in, and obviously this is great for the YT channel. I don't know what his personal views are but I think he's done the right thing going full track tool on this one. And obviously the Honda platform is more than ideal for that
don't mind my English.. not native
@@miguelaguilera6601 I get that, and your english is good! I just wonder, is the fun of hopping into a car and ripping up the canyons missed. I'm sure track days are massive fun, but a massive headache too. The finacial aspect must be daunting as well
@@iansharpe8420 I sure miss the canyon days. Honestly I want them to finish the Mr2 Toyota engine swap build and the K swap S2000 build and do some canyon runs... I think once they are done with both of those cars which I would say it'll take them 10 months.. they should do a nice road trip. Something like east to west or north to south or diagonally crossing the country
good to see you gave up on those ktuned coilovers. check corner balance when turning into a corner dependant on caster
Awesome video...... for sure i have to see it more times as i custom fit some coils to my car
Thanks Ben
Great information. Well done! 🏎️
droop is joy!
Now you know. And knowing is half the battle!
*Virginia in the house!*
I want the most comfortable ride coilovers I can get for my daily driven ‘91 Civic hatch. As for ride height, I’m not looking to be slammed, again this is a daily driver so a little lower than stock is preferred. Currently my Civic has Tein progressive lowering springs with Bilstein struts. All other suspension components are Hardrace with hardened rubber bushings. So which coilovers and brands do you guys suggest for the most in comfort?
tein z and soften the springs and dampers and you're good
Entry level kW suspension show do
@@neonovember7023 are KW comfortable though?
nice that you show the alignment for 8 seconds
Uhhh....Professor Ben, starting at 4:21....willl this material be on the next test?!?
I learned something today sweet!
Why do you want to lower the shock body and utilise the bumpstop (have the bumpstop compressed) inlieu spring compression? Most coilovers are height adjustable at the lower collar and using the strut lower cup. I just wanted to know why the need to utilise the bumpstop and not the springs to prevent bottoming out?
bottoming out on a spring turns the coilovers solid and is very harsh on the car it will upset your weight balance, bottoming out on a rubber bump stop will ease the weight transfer to the car and is not as harsh as a solid metal spring at full compression.
Now that's some great sponsored content
It was very very very interesting !
How would you adjust bump stop height on independent suspension?
Nee clarification. When setting the ride height for 50% compression and 50% droop do you adjust the spring perch or the shock perch?
Yay my morning poop held out 😂 best shit to wake up to.
At 5:00......really like the LoFi background music.
Are you guys coming to gridlife in Colorado?
Do you feel the K-swap FRS\BRZ will end up taking over this class? Seems all that chassis needed was a better engine.
It’s funny because isn’t fortune one of the coilover companies that say to adjust ride height with the lower collar and cup and not with preload? I do agree making sure your tire and arms don’t hit sure makes a lot of sense but I think fortune is one of the companies who say don’t adjust preload for ride height.
None of the companies that make the adjustable body coils seem to understand how to actually properly adjust them.
When is the k swap glow up coming for the escort?
Serious question here!
Ik there are tons of factors when it comes to spring rates but looking for a good rule of thumb for a fwd track car. Do you want neutral spring rates or a stiff bias to front/rear? For context my car is front heavy 60-40,lowered, big rear sway bar, cambered -2,-1.5 with .01 toe out front and rear. Any help is appreciated as theres so much personal biased info but i want facts.
6:53 Hi tall Ben...working on next week's video are we?
Great information.
How do you know by “feeling” I don’t get that lol. Like if I’ve never felt it before how do I know if it is correct or not
Hey, so out of curiosity how/what did you use to mount the canister? Just got my coils and was wondering if you had any tips :)
Following this series to help build my teams Passat endurance race car. Please help
Damn so I already missed you in Jersey
so when would you swap spring rates?
do these suspension setup tips apply to all cars in general or are specific cars different?
So, where do you set the compression and rebound knobs on the shocks at? Set it in the middle as a starting point?
hey Ben, are you running Helper springs or Tender/Assist Springs?
explain the dialing in process :) That's gonna be interesting
I can't get over how handsome the fortune auto representative is at the beginning of the video. Like I'm not even gay, bro just has really great teeth.
Hi what kind of spring rates are you running with the roll center correction?
Let's Time Attack CiviC!!!!!!!!
Number 1 item you need for this job, hydraulic lifts HAHAHA cant imagine the pain doing this without powertools and lifts
Actually not hard at with a floor and some jack stands.
You know what I take that back you right. Lol. This man taking it all off again and putting them back together
Great info!
Why not start with setting the bump stop first?
What are your spring rates for rear?
Take a shot every time he says “a little bit” lol
Where's the "This video was sponsored by Fortune Auto" banner at the start?
this video was good
Great info and great video 👍
Hilarious question, but what lug nuts are you running?
I like fortune auto coils but I also like bc
Watching Gears and Gasoline is like watching weekly Saturday morning cartoons
You skipped checking the corner balance after attaching the swaybars. That's what adjustable swaybar endlinks are for. A lot of aftermarket bars aren't perfectly symmetrical and will "wedge" the car a little with equal length swaybar endlinks. Obviously this is a manufacturing tolerance thing so it's possible the bars are perfect, just not likely.
When they’re free of course you’ll choose the Dreadnaughts. 😂😂😂
for anyone who's still confused, spin the collars all the way down and your car will look sick
Is MIA still road legal btw
Бены! Вы крутые!
lowkey had to see if Cameron Hills brz was totalled or not before i clicked on this one 😳
ok dumb question here
can you tell me the color of yours wheel ?
is it "little bit" or "lirah bit"
Those type of "cartridge" coilovers don't allow for much travel. I wonder how the car will fair on track.
Do you mean a non fixed mount shock? Although a fixed mount shock typically has more shock stroke you also are limiting travel when you adjust ride height and droop etc. since typically they have helpers and it’s not independent adjustment. Luckily for Ben in this situation we were able to increase shock stroke and body size especially in the rear because of the wheel size he has and other items on his current suspension so travel isn’t an issue here.
I believe we are talking about the same thing. I know what you're saying, but if the damper is properly designed for the car you can often get the drop you want with a lot more droop travel. Most cars can't drop too much anyway without affecting suspension/steering geometry or running out of physical space.
As far as Ben having enough travel... I guess we'll see. If I understood him right overall travel was 3.5-4". That doesn't seem like that much to me. I think the problem he was having before on his old coilovers at least in part was the droop was limited so he was lifting his inside rear tire making the car loose through some transitions. Having dealt with that myself the solution is more spring and less bar (assuming IRS, not a Honda guy) along with increased droop travel.
@@salspec3381 Yeah, from being at the events with the suspension on it, seems to have cleared up his issues. He is driving faster than prior which with the new episodes from Gridlife about to drop you’ll see what I mean in terms of competitiveness with how the field is now in Club TR.
@@devinherndon56 Ok. Looking forward to seeing that footage.