+Pilbo Sandi can hold Sage accountable...it would be great if she would cook my food for me and make sure I eat my fruits and veggies...but she must have her hands full with Sage!
Great point, Sandi, about pulling out if the training doesn't seem like it will yield the desired result. There will be time to get the standard. However, I do applaud your initiative, Sage, to get the standard early rather than rushing it later. Good luck! I have a feeling that you're going to get it this time around.
My 2 cents of watching for a while and agree 100% with Sandi. Need to nail the consistency, stick with the plan, and I think you need to not only do the workouts/running but stretching and core work will only help. Like Sandi said, do it once and get it over with, if YOU know you are making mistakes in past trainings/races...FIX them!
Consistency is key - not only in running but also for core and general strenght work. Rather 10 mins after every run than 60 mins one day a week. Funny thing - you guys taught me this years ago! :)
More Sandi and Sage podcasts! Love the way you two discuss/argue/compromise. Planning to do Tucson Marathon in Dec. after also completing UTMB (Grand Col de Ferret was rough!)
Stay on him Sandi, great point there...this is his time as a professional runner and he has to take it seriously or he will regret it later in life! Sage needs to stop thinking and just follow your lead and be disciplined enough to do ALL you say.
Sage, the look on your face when Sandi mentions doing more core work and stretching is great. And then counting on your hand the other number of things you need to do. It's that easy haha.
+Kevin Funny, Sage thinks pullups works his core. I never really do pullups to work my core...but I guess it could be good for Sage to do some pullups. And since he will have a pullup bar, he can do hanging leg raises which is a core exercise. And can do hanging knee ups which is abdominal exercise. And hanging knee up with twists. Yeah, Sage. Do Sandi's core routine. Maybe Sandi can do the routine with me so that I can do them too...
what i see is a really good runner and next to it a really good coach... Sage is indeed all over the place reminds me myself haha.... hope he lisens to her
Sandi is SO smart. She's the whole package, and Sage is a lucky man to have her. Sage, LISTEN TO SANDI. She's 100% correct, and you could tell she wanted to say even more, but was holding back. She's a wise woman.
Love the videos and the transparency. I hope we can see the plan and see that Sage follows it. “We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training.”
You need to practice patients. You are looking for a quick hack where none exists. If your main goal is to qualify for the Olympic trials why are rushing it. Take 6 months to build up to it. Base build so you can handle a 20 week solid build.
Sage, for the love of all that's holy, listen to Sandi and follow her plan for an entire training block. Like she says, go all in and don't deviate unless it's her idea. See you in Sacramento!
One session I like to include is 'Mona Fartleks' that Steve Monaghetti devised. A fixed pyramid style workout of 20 minutes swapping between threshold and tempo paces, using total distance traveled as a 'base line score'
A big HECK YEAH to coach Sandi! Awesome plan! Great coach! Sage, there is no escaping now! 😝 We are so on you it's not even funny hehe! You are going to do so well just stick to the plan and do exactly what you're smart and beautiful coach is telling you. Get out of your comfort zone and get those abs pumping. ....and yes, you can certainly manage more than 8minutes of ab-work 😜 How about 2x 30mins per week of ab exercises only? Sandi is going to make you fly! You got this! 👍🏻
Sandi asks a great question at the outset Sage that you kinda dodged - around having been given advise in the past that you overlooked and what will you be doing different this time to ensure you stick with the plan. Some really straight up advice throughout here Sandi. Wow!
These videos are gold, man. I've purchased your training plans (just had some great success using your plan and Daniels stuff, thank you!). But seeing you and Sandi fleshing this stuff out is super interesting and inspiring. Thanks to both of you!
Holy crap. The comments on this post are a HOOT! Hopefully you aren't reading them at all, Sage. If so, you're a stronger man than me. Best of luck, man.
Hey Sage, I'm not as great runner as you are but I've had similar level achievements in swimming, and I believe the whole point of a coach is for them to do the thinking and you do the training. At the moment it still seems like you still want to do the thinking, I feel like you need to trust Sandi's plan and take a step back, and focus on just the training
+Purple Good point. But Sage should give his input and in the end he should be able to modify it. While still staying accountable. And of course, he can always ask for my help...
I'd love to see you really nail the marathon and get the OTQ you have been aiming towards since the last Olympic cycle. Ultras aren't going anywhere - and once you get that OTQ I have a feeling you'll be able to really dial down and focus on ultras again. And also, loved hearing from Sandi!
+Anna Sage should make the Olympic Trials Qualifying for 2020 and then focus on the Olympic Marathon for 2024. Then after 2024 decide if he wants to continue with the marathon or switch back to ultras. I'd suggest staying with the marathon. And when he is done with the marathon, do the ultras.
hey sage, good luck for your endeavor! Just one little tip to stay positive during training and before the race: explicitly reward yourself for every little step, ensure good recovery (sleep, food, relaxation) and dont beat yourself up if things dont go as planned ;)
The first time I've felt compelled to comment on one of your videos. (you don't upload enough by the way, purely selfish thinking on my behalf haha) This will be the first time you have targeted a marathon since I've been subscribed so I'm really keen and excited to see how you go. I wish you the best of luck. I think you have unfinished business and have every faith you can get near your PR. quite surprised how close this race is but please don't be disheartened if you don't race as expected. Use it to build momentum into 2018 where you can lay down some super fast times. Good luck!
Not sure how my thoughts much weight my thoughts are going to carry, especially because I have NOT run a marathon as of yet (will be in February), but my opinion on this is that you take your time on the preparation for your next OTQ attempt. It seems to me that for the last couple of years, you have been squeezing in these attempts at an OTQ around mostly Ultras and ultra specific training (I have watched your OTQ VLOGs). The point is, I think you would benefit greatly from more than just 10-12 weeks Getting ready for an OTQ. With all of the ultra-marathon specific training you have done the last few years, you are a different kind of runner now. Not a bad thing, just different. I'm obviously not a professional coach, but I recommend devoting at least half a season to preparing for a fast road marathon. I know all people are different in terms of our bodies and how we respond to training and stress, but as I've begun to get older (I'm over 30 now), I've noticed that my body seems to take longer to recover from, and responds more slowly to speed training than it used to. This may be something to consider as I'm guessing you are over 30 as well. This means that more rest and recovery may be required between hard speed workouts, which means your train up for a successful OTQ attempt may need to be longer in duration to ensure that you put in enough time at a faster leg turnover, while allowing your body adequate time to recover, in addition to maintaining your endurance with base mileage and long runs during your train up. I serve in the Army, and there is a saying that we're guided by when we plan and execute training that goes like this. "Train as you fight". The point is, take the time to completely and thoroughly do what is necessary to 'become' a road marathoner again. This was just my two cents, but I hope it helps. Whatever you do moving forward, I'm rooting for you.
I'm all behind you wanting to run in the Olympics but, I think that's going to take a full time commitment to being a marathon runner. I think it would mean being able to run a sub 2:15 to gain a top 3 spot. I wish you all the success towards that goal. I've followed you now for 4 years and I have to say with all honesty that your talent is in the trails. God Bless 👟👍🏻🏃
commit to your coach...no maybe your right...100% trust..........listen to your coach .....that is what you would expect from your athletes....you can only be world class (and you are) if you rest, plan ahead, train hard, no short cuts and be ready....why waste your talent .........great video but all the answers are apparent due to the honesty in this video.....
Interesting podcast. Wish you the best of success on the marathon training. I think the 12 week turn around is to quick personally. Maybe target something in the spring next year. But let's say you do get the qualifying time for the Olympics..what then? Do you drop ultras for the next 18 months to try and become the best and get to the Olympics? Whatever you decide I think there need to be a lot of soul searching for what you really want. Olympic glory or ultra legend? Whatever you do you have a lot of fans cheering you on and looking on with anticipation!
Kia Ora (Be Well) love and admire you both reading many of the fan comments and a very common thread is 'Sage listen to Sandi' To you Coach Sandi are you Coach or Girlfriend ? make your player follow your plan. Sage become the best player you can be.
I think you should also look at how european runners train for races like UTMB. They run less than you o but ad a lot of road or mountain biking. And most of them have a low season in the inter where running is minor and sports like cross country skiing or ski mountaineering get bigger.
Hey, Sage! Thanks for the great videos! I just watched your video on over training and I was wondering about more of the mental side of over training. I just physically reovered from an overtraining injury but I've found that my love for running just isn't there anymore. Could you please share some advice on getting burnt out? Thanks!
Sage, you're sick because you've been traveling and racing all over the world. Trying to get a qualifying time in 13 weeks is pushing it (just my opinion). Why not let yourself really get healthy and then go for the qualifying time in January? It seems that you don't do a lot of "easy" stuff to let yourself really recover between races. You really need to listen to Sandi and do more easy runs (or walks even) in your training block. And one more thing, if you really want to do well at UTMB again, DO MORE HIKING! It seems that most of the American runners who go over and do that race can't really hike well enough to do well in that race. Best of luck with your training! I'll check out Sandi's channel now too.
+Inferno Good point. Also UTMB has much steeper trails than they have here in USA. Unless the American runners train for it, they just aren't used to it. I agree that Sage should think about a training block to qualify for January. But he could also do both. And if he nails it in 13 weeks then he has it done. So it is okay. And it is a championship run so he doesn't want to miss it.
Tuesdays Runner, I'm hoping Sage can do it in 13 weeks too. I was just voicing some concern as to whether or not he is pushing himself too much without fully recovering from UTMB.
Sage, your UTMB race was messed up by gut issues, early in the race. I bet you would have run a good race if your digestive problems didn't hit you so hard. So, don't be so hard on yourself about UTMB. We all know you have it in you. Even though you have a very short time to do marathon training, you should be able to get your speed back easily enough, but only if you get plenty of rest! Take lot of recovery naps.
+ralph Sage also should take rest days until he is over his sickness...before ramping up his mileage and speed work! And get Sandi some winter gloves for her hands...and some "off road" tires for her bike!
thanks! i was trying to go from running ultras to doing a marathon and realized i just dont have that "gear" in order. ie no effieciency at MP. it was either fast or slow, no medium. it's hard to find good info on going to road races from trail ultras.
Do you feel that you will go under 2:19 in the Marathon? Your age and time frame seem to be hitting their peak right now and into the next 3-5 years. Listening to you speak about what races you've run and mileage per week reads like an EKG. Are you self coached? it sounds like a game plan that a coach would give you has to be a consideration.
Listen to Sandi. Just like she pointed out you say similar things for years and do not change it. This a repeat of previous sage talks. You say, "That's the benefit of hindsight." Well there is no benefit of knowing what you need to do if don't act on it. Act this time.
I think Sage can qualify for the 2020 marathon qualifier. If he focuses on it. Yeah, Sage was training for ultras but that involves a lot of elevation gain, and so the mileage does not need to be as much since you have to factor in that as well as the technical trails. A 70 mile week in the mountains might be equivalent to a 100+ mile per week, although they are of course different. Sage still has many years for Olympic marathon running if he wants to keep doing it. And Sandi shouldn't drink beer if she wants to have healthy kids...but I guess it makes sense to have a plug for the sponsors.
Was this always part of the plan? I worry that you're panicking after UTMB, starting to doubt yourself and simply falling back on what used to be your strength. I hope I'm wrong, and this is part of a longer term strategy that I've missed. I wish you the best of luck.
When you do longer repeats, say 3-mile repeats, would you be doing a full recovery (i.e. say a rest of 4 minutes ?) in between them? Sorry if this a newbie question.
Sage why not just train like crazy and do 20+ hours a week of running, you did 2 good weeks for UTMB where you ran 20+ hours per week but the rest seemed way to low in weekly hours. I doubt with your background you would get injured and you would be in much better shape.
???? What is the end game? I heard you mention how you didn't think you could run under 2:16. If thats the case ,whats the point? This only seems to sabotage the training for ultras. This is what you do best. Working on nutrition during races and just over all healthier eating would be something to work on. You seem to have a lot of stomach issues during these race. I not trying to me negative. I think focusing on trails and ultras is your path. Whichever way you decide to go, listening to Sandi can only help you. You're both wonderful people. Best of success. God Bless you. Thank you both for what you give to the running community.
What i dont understand is you say “I wouldnt advise this, but...” “this isnt optimal, but...” “i race too much, but...” “i need more specificity in my training, but...” and for the life of me i cant figure out the question of WHY. Why do you have to race in 11 weeks, whats the difference in racing in 16 weeks or 20 weeks? I cant figure out why you are shoehorning this race in when you cant give a compelling reason why you should! Im rooting on you as always, but what good is the race going to do for you if you dont qualify on a less than optimal prep? Youll probably then force in another race in an abbreviated timeframe, when you could just do one big buildup and nail it! Race less and peak for those efforts. Imo
Run your easy days easy, and concentrate on speed and youll get ther. You need to pull out of the race if you arent confident with a few weeks to go. Don't try to lie to yourself if you arent ready. Also, be prepared to DNF the race if you fall off pace. If you miss your goal and finish, you wont be able to do it in Houston. If you dnf at 17, youll probably be able to do it at Houston. Your last attempt was painful to watch because you were becoming so over raced.
wow, 2 pros going head to head on who will be the coach? Sage, you gotta step back! Listen to the girl, SPEED SPEED SPEED! you aren't going to get that doing your same ole same ole
Man youre all over the place... move to sea level if you wanna do this marathon thing. Or commit to ultras and become a mountain athlete, learn skills, hard weather, skiing, climbing, develop toughness.
I think you need to clean up your diet Sage, vegan or not, you eat a bit too much junk and way too much beer for a pro. Nutrient density should be the focus, stay off the grains and take high quality carbs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain So....buckwheat, rice, quinoa, chickpeas, lentils, flax seed, hemp seeds have no micronutrients or vitamins? Lol try doing a little research
I'm not sure a Wiki post is 'Research', but to my point, when I was talking about Sage and him staying off the grain carbs, I was talking about the breads and Pizzas. I don't consider nuts and seeds as a grain in the sense that grains hinder recovery and cause inflammation. My comment was really about Sage wanting to get serious about his training, what you eat is a big part of that. If he could get 5% performance from all the little things his marathon time could go from 2.19 to 2.12, so at his level every little thing counts. Hence the comment about beer and grains.
She talks a lot of sense Sage. Make sure you listen and do as she says
+Pilbo Sandi can hold Sage accountable...it would be great if she would cook my food for me and make sure I eat my fruits and veggies...but she must have her hands full with Sage!
Yes! I've been hanging out for Sandi to coach Sage for so long! This is going to be a great series.
29:29, Sage reduced to tears from Sandy's savage assessment .
Kick his ass whenever he doesn't stick to the plan Sandi. Don't be your own enemy Sage, all the best mate!
I think listening to Sandi is the smartest thing you could right now, Sage. Right on!
I'm looking forward to this and will hopefully be the cure to the "I should listen to Sandi more" Syndrome. 😀
Thank you for your advice Sandy. I hope you will share your advice regularly.
Great point, Sandi, about pulling out if the training doesn't seem like it will yield the desired result. There will be time to get the standard. However, I do applaud your initiative, Sage, to get the standard early rather than rushing it later. Good luck! I have a feeling that you're going to get it this time around.
My 2 cents of watching for a while and agree 100% with Sandi. Need to nail the consistency, stick with the plan, and I think you need to not only do the workouts/running but stretching and core work will only help. Like Sandi said, do it once and get it over with, if YOU know you are making mistakes in past trainings/races...FIX them!
Consistency is key - not only in running but also for core and general strenght work. Rather 10 mins after every run than 60 mins one day a week. Funny thing - you guys taught me this years ago! :)
More Sandi and Sage podcasts! Love the way you two discuss/argue/compromise. Planning to do Tucson Marathon in Dec. after also completing UTMB (Grand Col de Ferret was rough!)
+Nathan They look like a couple of love birds, don't they???
Stay on him Sandi, great point there...this is his time as a professional runner and he has to take it seriously or he will regret it later in life!
Sage needs to stop thinking and just follow your lead and be disciplined enough to do ALL you say.
Looking forward to the new series. I'd love to hear some tidbits from Sandi along the way as well.
finally! Be hard on him Coach. Follow the plan Sage. Rooting for you!!
Sage, the look on your face when Sandi mentions doing more core work and stretching is great. And then counting on your hand the other number of things you need to do. It's that easy haha.
+Kevin Funny, Sage thinks pullups works his core. I never really do pullups to work my core...but I guess it could be good for Sage to do some pullups. And since he will have a pullup bar, he can do hanging leg raises which is a core exercise. And can do hanging knee ups which is abdominal exercise. And hanging knee up with twists.
Yeah, Sage. Do Sandi's core routine. Maybe Sandi can do the routine with me so that I can do them too...
what i see is a really good runner and next to it a really good coach... Sage is indeed all over the place reminds me myself haha.... hope he lisens to her
Sandi is SO smart. She's the whole package, and Sage is a lucky man to have her. Sage, LISTEN TO SANDI. She's 100% correct, and you could tell she wanted to say even more, but was holding back. She's a wise woman.
Love the videos and the transparency. I hope we can see the plan and see that Sage follows it. “We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training.”
You need to practice patients. You are looking for a quick hack where none exists. If your main goal is to qualify for the Olympic trials why are rushing it. Take 6 months to build up to it. Base build so you can handle a 20 week solid build.
Love the look on your face when Sandy says "you need to pull out".
Sandi is a great coach, with attention to key details. You two are a winning team!
+Hong Sandi being his coach might be a strain on their relationship...she might start telling him what to do ALL the time...
2nd! Let's go Sandy. Make him do all the little things.
+Karlo She's been trying...but Sage likes to play the guitar!!!
Sage, for the love of all that's holy, listen to Sandi and follow her plan for an entire training block. Like she says, go all in and don't deviate unless it's her idea. See you in Sacramento!
One session I like to include is 'Mona Fartleks' that Steve Monaghetti devised. A fixed pyramid style workout of 20 minutes swapping between threshold and tempo paces, using total distance traveled as a 'base line score'
www.mcmillanrunning.com/tempo-with-the-mona-fartlek/
Yeah man, listen to the Coach. We'll keep you accountable and totally want updates on how the small things are being worked in.
Sandi = words of wisdom
Listen up Sage! looking forward to watching the transition. Great job Sandy.
A big HECK YEAH to coach Sandi! Awesome plan! Great coach! Sage, there is no escaping now! 😝 We are so on you it's not even funny hehe! You are going to do so well just stick to the plan and do exactly what you're smart and beautiful coach is telling you. Get out of your comfort zone and get those abs pumping. ....and yes, you can certainly manage more than 8minutes of ab-work 😜 How about 2x 30mins per week of ab exercises only?
Sandi is going to make you fly!
You got this! 👍🏻
I can't wait to see what happens, keep us updated!
Sandi asks a great question at the outset Sage that you kinda dodged - around having been given advise in the past that you overlooked and what will you be doing different this time to ensure you stick with the plan.
Some really straight up advice throughout here Sandi. Wow!
These videos are gold, man. I've purchased your training plans (just had some great success using your plan and Daniels stuff, thank you!). But seeing you and Sandi fleshing this stuff out is super interesting and inspiring. Thanks to both of you!
Holy crap. The comments on this post are a HOOT! Hopefully you aren't reading them at all, Sage. If so, you're a stronger man than me. Best of luck, man.
One of your best pods guys😎 Took a lot away from this as a beginner... look after each other! It's a two way street👫
Hey Sage,
I'm not as great runner as you are but I've had similar level achievements in swimming, and I believe the whole point of a coach is for them to do the thinking and you do the training. At the moment it still seems like you still want to do the thinking, I feel like you need to trust Sandi's plan and take a step back, and focus on just the training
+Purple Good point. But Sage should give his input and in the end he should be able to modify it. While still staying accountable. And of course, he can always ask for my help...
I'd love to see you really nail the marathon and get the OTQ you have been aiming towards since the last Olympic cycle. Ultras aren't going anywhere - and once you get that OTQ I have a feeling you'll be able to really dial down and focus on ultras again. And also, loved hearing from Sandi!
+Anna Sage should make the Olympic Trials Qualifying for 2020 and then focus on the Olympic Marathon for 2024. Then after 2024 decide if he wants to continue with the marathon or switch back to ultras. I'd suggest staying with the marathon. And when he is done with the marathon, do the ultras.
hey sage, good luck for your endeavor! Just one little tip to stay positive during training and before the race: explicitly reward yourself for every little step, ensure good recovery (sleep, food, relaxation) and dont beat yourself up if things dont go as planned ;)
Coach Sandi, she gives it to you straight! No messing
Sage, Sandi's there for you :)
The first time I've felt compelled to comment on one of your videos. (you don't upload enough by the way, purely selfish thinking on my behalf haha)
This will be the first time you have targeted a marathon since I've been subscribed so I'm really keen and excited to see how you go.
I wish you the best of luck. I think you have unfinished business and have every faith you can get near your PR. quite surprised how close this race is but please don't be disheartened if you don't race as expected. Use it to build momentum into 2018 where you can lay down some super fast times.
Good luck!
Not sure how my thoughts much weight my thoughts are going to carry, especially because I have NOT run a marathon as of yet (will be in February), but my opinion on this is that you take your time on the preparation for your next OTQ attempt. It seems to me that for the last couple of years, you have been squeezing in these attempts at an OTQ around mostly Ultras and ultra specific training (I have watched your OTQ VLOGs). The point is, I think you would benefit greatly from more than just 10-12 weeks Getting ready for an OTQ. With all of the ultra-marathon specific training you have done the last few years, you are a different kind of runner now. Not a bad thing, just different. I'm obviously not a professional coach, but I recommend devoting at least half a season to preparing for a fast road marathon.
I know all people are different in terms of our bodies and how we respond to training and stress, but as I've begun to get older (I'm over 30 now), I've noticed that my body seems to take longer to recover from, and responds more slowly to speed training than it used to. This may be something to consider as I'm guessing you are over 30 as well. This means that more rest and recovery may be required between hard speed workouts, which means your train up for a successful OTQ attempt may need to be longer in duration to ensure that you put in enough time at a faster leg turnover, while allowing your body adequate time to recover, in addition to maintaining your endurance with base mileage and long runs during your train up.
I serve in the Army, and there is a saying that we're guided by when we plan and execute training that goes like this. "Train as you fight". The point is, take the time to completely and thoroughly do what is necessary to 'become' a road marathoner again. This was just my two cents, but I hope it helps. Whatever you do moving forward, I'm rooting for you.
P.S. I love the new video intro.
I'm all behind you wanting to run in the Olympics but, I think that's going to take a full time commitment to being a marathon runner. I think it would mean being able to run a sub 2:15 to gain a top 3 spot. I wish you all the success towards that goal. I've followed you now for 4 years and I have to say with all honesty that your talent is in the trails. God Bless 👟👍🏻🏃
Can't wait for the otq series again! However I can't help but think an extra few weeks of training could do and how Houston might be better?
That right t-shirt sleeve is driving me crazy... anyway, you should really start listening to Sandi.
Tamara yess!! I couldnt stop looking at it
😂
It's triggering my OCD like mad.
Good luck Sage!
listen to coach Sandi.
Sandi pulls no punches
You can do it sage! BTW you need to hold on to her, she's great for you!
commit to your coach...no maybe your right...100% trust..........listen to your coach .....that is what you would expect from your athletes....you can only be world class (and you are) if you rest, plan ahead, train hard, no short cuts and be ready....why waste your talent .........great video but all the answers are apparent due to the honesty in this video.....
Go Sandi!
I love your background wall!
Love the new background
Interesting podcast. Wish you the best of success on the marathon training. I think the 12 week turn around is to quick personally. Maybe target something in the spring next year. But let's say you do get the qualifying time for the Olympics..what then? Do you drop ultras for the next 18 months to try and become the best and get to the Olympics? Whatever you decide I think there need to be a lot of soul searching for what you really want. Olympic glory or ultra legend? Whatever you do you have a lot of fans cheering you on and looking on with anticipation!
Kia Ora (Be Well) love and admire you both reading many of the fan comments and a very common thread is 'Sage listen to Sandi' To you Coach Sandi are you Coach or Girlfriend ? make your player follow your plan. Sage become the best player you can be.
I think you should also look at how european runners train for races like UTMB. They run less than you o but ad a lot of road or mountain biking. And most of them have a low season in the inter where running is minor and sports like cross country skiing or ski mountaineering get bigger.
Everyone seems to agree you will hit the numbers IF you do exactly what Sandi says 😀.
Hey, Sage! Thanks for the great videos! I just watched your video on over training and I was wondering about more of the mental side of over training. I just physically reovered from an overtraining injury but I've found that my love for running just isn't there anymore. Could you please share some advice on getting burnt out? Thanks!
Strides brother, lots of strides!
Sage, you're sick because you've been traveling and racing all over the world. Trying to get a qualifying time in 13 weeks is pushing it (just my opinion). Why not let yourself really get healthy and then go for the qualifying time in January? It seems that you don't do a lot of "easy" stuff to let yourself really recover between races. You really need to listen to Sandi and do more easy runs (or walks even) in your training block. And one more thing, if you really want to do well at UTMB again, DO MORE HIKING! It seems that most of the American runners who go over and do that race can't really hike well enough to do well in that race. Best of luck with your training! I'll check out Sandi's channel now too.
+Inferno Good point. Also UTMB has much steeper trails than they have here in USA. Unless the American runners train for it, they just aren't used to it.
I agree that Sage should think about a training block to qualify for January. But he could also do both. And if he nails it in 13 weeks then he has it done. So it is okay. And it is a championship run so he doesn't want to miss it.
Tuesdays Runner, I'm hoping Sage can do it in 13 weeks too. I was just voicing some concern as to whether or not he is pushing himself too much without fully recovering from UTMB.
Sage, your UTMB race was messed up by gut issues, early in the race. I bet you would have run a good race if your digestive problems didn't hit you so hard. So, don't be so hard on yourself about UTMB. We all know you have it in you.
Even though you have a very short time to do marathon training, you should be able to get your speed back easily enough, but only if you get plenty of rest! Take lot of recovery naps.
+ralph Sage also should take rest days until he is over his sickness...before ramping up his mileage and speed work! And get Sandi some winter gloves for her hands...and some "off road" tires for her bike!
thanks! i was trying to go from running ultras to doing a marathon and realized i just dont have that "gear" in order. ie no effieciency at MP. it was either fast or slow, no medium. it's hard to find good info on going to road races from trail ultras.
It's like couples therapy. Lol. Great series.
Sage, are you going to be at the expo for CIM? My coach and I will be there and it would be crazy if I could meet you and get a pic!
Do you feel that you will go under 2:19 in the Marathon? Your age and time frame seem to be hitting their peak right now and into the next 3-5 years. Listening to you speak about what races you've run and mileage per week reads like an EKG. Are you self coached? it sounds like a game plan that a coach would give you has to be a consideration.
Listen to Sandi
Listen to Sandi. Just like she pointed out you say similar things for years and do not change it. This a repeat of previous sage talks. You say, "That's the benefit of hindsight." Well there is no benefit of knowing what you need to do if don't act on it. Act this time.
I think Sage can qualify for the 2020 marathon qualifier. If he focuses on it. Yeah, Sage was training for ultras but that involves a lot of elevation gain, and so the mileage does not need to be as much since you have to factor in that as well as the technical trails. A 70 mile week in the mountains might be equivalent to a 100+ mile per week, although they are of course different. Sage still has many years for Olympic marathon running if he wants to keep doing it.
And Sandi shouldn't drink beer if she wants to have healthy kids...but I guess it makes sense to have a plug for the sponsors.
Tuesdays Runner his ultra competition runs 100mile plus weeks all the time on trails.
Sage, stick to Sandi's plan! She will get you to 2:18 & faster!!!
Sage: you'll find success if you let go of your ego and follow Sandi's plan to a T.
Have you considered just how much your running economy has shiftet from all the ultra training?
Was this always part of the plan? I worry that you're panicking after UTMB, starting to doubt yourself and simply falling back on what used to be your strength. I hope I'm wrong, and this is part of a longer term strategy that I've missed. I wish you the best of luck.
When you do longer repeats, say 3-mile repeats, would you be doing a full recovery (i.e. say a rest of 4 minutes ?) in between them? Sorry if this a newbie question.
+scarletpanther The longer the interval, the longer the rest. There is no hard rule. Rest until you want to go again.
You are pretty stubborn, you are probably going to do what you want. >_
Why not reach out to Hudson, who would train you without bias. You could vlog it and teach us and yourself from a different perspective.
"I still have 11 weeks....as ...of...2 days ago." "If you don't feel up to it within 2 weeks, drop out!"
Nice Video, listen to your girl - eh coach - Sage ;)
16x 400 at 3.000 pace?? Thats 6.400 meters at 3.000 pace. What rest do you take between these intervals?
Sage why not just train like crazy and do 20+ hours a week of running, you did 2 good weeks for UTMB where you ran 20+ hours per week but the rest seemed way to low in weekly hours. I doubt with your background you would get injured and you would be in much better shape.
+IBE Good question that Sage didn't say is how many hours per week he does for his weekly running.
Absolutely. Hes obsessively trying to micromanage a rushed trainingplan on the back of a failed utmb. Just commit to SOMETHING.
What is your 5k now on a roadrun
Make Sage do push-ups for running your proposed plan paces incorrectly
???? What is the end game? I heard you mention how you didn't think you could run under 2:16. If thats the case ,whats the point? This only seems to sabotage the training for ultras. This is what you do best. Working on nutrition during races and just over all healthier eating would be something to work on. You seem to have a lot of stomach issues during these race. I not trying to me negative. I think focusing on trails and ultras is your path. Whichever way you decide to go, listening to Sandi can only help you. You're both wonderful people. Best of success. God Bless you. Thank you both for what you give to the running community.
+Ron Sage wants to run in the Olympic Marathon 2020. That is the end game.
What i dont understand is you say “I wouldnt advise this, but...” “this isnt optimal, but...” “i race too much, but...” “i need more specificity in my training, but...” and for the life of me i cant figure out the question of WHY. Why do you have to race in 11 weeks, whats the difference in racing in 16 weeks or 20 weeks? I cant figure out why you are shoehorning this race in when you cant give a compelling reason why you should! Im rooting on you as always, but what good is the race going to do for you if you dont qualify on a less than optimal prep? Youll probably then force in another race in an abbreviated timeframe, when you could just do one big buildup and nail it! Race less and peak for those efforts. Imo
I'm rooting for you but I feel like you will run something like 2:25 because you aren't giving yourself so much time to train.
Run your easy days easy, and concentrate on speed and youll get ther. You need to pull out of the race if you arent confident with a few weeks to go. Don't try to lie to yourself if you arent ready. Also, be prepared to DNF the race if you fall off pace. If you miss your goal and finish, you wont be able to do it in Houston. If you dnf at 17, youll probably be able to do it at Houston. Your last attempt was painful to watch because you were becoming so over raced.
wow, 2 pros going head to head on who will be the coach? Sage, you gotta step back! Listen to the girl, SPEED SPEED SPEED! you aren't going to get that doing your same ole same ole
Seriously, who dislikes this video?
You are addicted to the thrill of racing and allergic to building a strong Aerobic Base - Speak To Mark Allen!
Sandi needs to slow her breathing down a bit :)
Sandi seems slightly inebriated !
8:34 that was painful to watch
I put my money on not hitting 2-19 this year. In January it looks more realistic. Good luck!
Would be great if you could also host this on Stitcher (play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.stitcher.app&hl=en). Thanks!
Take off the gloves, Sandi. You're holding back.
+takatsu Sandi probably let him have it after the camera stopped recording...
cool.. poo'dcast sage. 😗😐😑😶🙄😏🤐
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someone you live with telling you to eat veggies? m8, here I have a poster of you on my wall, thinking your a vegan...
Man youre all over the place... move to sea level if you wanna do this marathon thing. Or commit to ultras and become a mountain athlete, learn skills, hard weather, skiing, climbing, develop toughness.
This guy runs like 2:30 marathons with elevation for his long runs, he definitely has toughness.
SlayerODragon Toughness is not about marathon times
You will surely hit the 2:19. Just listen Sandy and do as she says! :)
Teijo Tykkyläinen not a chance. After so much ultra training your running economy shifts. Will take a lot longer to get that back.
Soren Egeberg thats the point of any surface, any distance
I think you need to clean up your diet Sage, vegan or not, you eat a bit too much junk and way too much beer for a pro. Nutrient density should be the focus, stay off the grains and take high quality carbs.
"stay off the grains and take high quality carbs" - seems like an oxymoron to me.
Lol
Not really, high quality carbs are nutrient dense foods like vegetables, grains have no real nutritional benefit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain So....buckwheat, rice, quinoa, chickpeas, lentils, flax seed, hemp seeds have no micronutrients or vitamins? Lol try doing a little research
I'm not sure a Wiki post is 'Research', but to my point, when I was talking about Sage and him staying off the grain carbs, I was talking about the breads and Pizzas. I don't consider nuts and seeds as a grain in the sense that grains hinder recovery and cause inflammation. My comment was really about Sage wanting to get serious about his training, what you eat is a big part of that. If he could get 5% performance from all the little things his marathon time could go from 2.19 to 2.12, so at his level every little thing counts. Hence the comment about beer and grains.