Most of this blades are from the italian CMT, it is the same blade. Diablo is CMT. Hahahahahah all youtube is full of comparatives of the exactly the same blade with diferent color.
@@louislavoie1238can confirm. Gloves and trim router didn't really mesh well for me personally. No left index fingertip anymore. Stray thread did me in. Now, I normally never wear gloves but on this day, in the pnw it has rained so hard for so long my hands were actually pruned, couldn't grip anything and all that. Never make that mistake again. Unless handling metal shreds... No Gloves for me
This is why I`m here also, why I tell everyone about VCG and Vince... No BS, just pure facts!! Never change man! Your integrity and honesty is UNmatched in the industry!!!
The whole time they were doing this I was thinking, "but the fasteners towards the head are fatter before the threads start, so this is automatically a little off," and then you did the test again proving why you guys are awesome.
That and some of the heads were sunk into the wood causing compression of the wood until first cut which is tougher on the saw, but as you said they went back for a better apples to apples comparison (although the diablo still outperformed the others even with the compressed wood).
It blows my mind how they can basically make a satire showing, bashing another brands product as a large brand themselves and not expect large influences to show that they were just blowing smoke. That HAS to make an impact on their company, and tradesmans view of said companies. For the longest time, if I had to cut something, it was a Diablo blade. Recip, circular, jigsaw, table/miter, and even angle grinders. Diablo all the way baby
I agree, in day-to-day life there are unforeseen events like cutting a screw or nail in the middle of the wood. But I wanted to see if the blade still makes a clean cut after that.
Project farm has a test of a number of blades and one of the tests is to see how they do after going through some nails. Diablo was the second best in how well it stood up to the abuse out of something like 10 blades.
Setting proper blade depth helps all these thin kerf blades from getting hot and deflecting. When framing or demo, i like the pirona blades, they are cheap and last.
Bought my first Diablo blades back a few years ago and haven't had any regrets, Diablo all the way. Good job VCG at leveling the field and showing the real deal.
Same here. They are not the best blades on the market but I feel they are the best value for the hobbyist and part time wood worker. I was just milling down some oak barnwood and missed a couple of nails because they were not visible and too deep for a magnet to catch and I do. It have a metal detector. I cut through those two nails like a hot knife through butter and there was no visible damage to the blade.
I am a big fan of the Diablo and DeWalt. You should have ran all three blades a second run and possibly a third run to see which one holds up the best.. great video by the way
Been using 7-1/4" Diablo blades, 24 and 40 tooth, for many years. Every other blade I've tried created an urgency to get it off my saw. They're the "gold" standard at their price point....IMO
I bought a Diablo for my “home saw” 6 years ago. Still in use today….about an hour use a year. Even the job saw blades last 4-6 weeks of constant use. Of course I’m not doing anything like this! L0L
@@viperstrike3827 if the carbides don't break off they'll still collect pitch and sap, and leave that burned finish on the face of your cut, after a while
@@maxnovakovics2568 Thank you for the reply! I usually break them before that point. You can clean then with dawn and a stiff brush, that helps a little.
I don't know if its psychological or just comfort but everytime I slap a new Diablo blade on i know it will get the job done. Their sawzall jig and framing blade are always throwing saw dust on my work sites... great re assuring video vince.
Any blade that can make it through a cut like that has my respect, I am still going with Diablo and then if there are none on the shelves, DeWalt. I have tried a ton of no name blades but those two seem to be the top performers in my book.
Same here. I always buy Diablo when I’m at a place that stocks them, which is most everywhere, but when I’m at a place that doesn’t (Lowe’s) I buy dewalt. I’m a fan of dewalt blades because that’s what I always used until I discovered Diablo. Now I only buy red when I have the chance
Try the kobalt marathon blades, tungsten carbide teeth. I ran one on a skilsaw cutting framing lumber only for 18 months, then cut apart a 2500sq ft roof into 4x4ft squares for removal through the composite shingles and sheeting. The used the same blade to easily cut framing lumber for another 3months... for 9$
TRZ can’t finish a sentence with Vince in the room! “DON’T TOUCH IT!” “But there’s only one way to find out!” You guys do a great job at giving us the truth when it comes to the tools we use!!
The most random of youtube recommendations. I don't use power tools that often, and definitely don't care about what's new or cool in the tool world. But I watched this whole video, and enjoyed the level of passion these two dudes have for tools. Thanks youtube
I use the Diablo carbide wood blades in my Milwaukee metal cutting circular saw. So far they seem to work just fine and a quarter of the price or less compared to the ones recommended.
I just put 8 1/4 in my Milwaukee that calls for 8. its tight. I use DeWalt mostly 12 in my 14-metal chop saw. i have a machine shop carbide is all it takes.
My Dewalt blade kept going to the right just a little bit. I switched to Diablo and it was day and night. The cut was perfectly straight and clean and really felt like butter. I was using a Ridid circular saw on 3/4" plywood with my diy saw guide. At first i thought the saw and guide did not match accurately, but the blade fixed it perfectly.
The Diablo blades are awesome! The first thing I do when I buy a new saw is I pair it up with a Diablo blade. This was a great test!! Well done, have an awesome night! 👍🏻
Vince, I'm stunned. First, I can not believe the booth would stage a result that was so obviously false to carpenters and second, I'm impressed with your demo. All blades made it thru. I always buy red Diablo blades and bits and would not waste the time on others. Merry Xmas and have a happy New Year from Australia.
Diablo is the only one that consistently stands up to the abuse of wet lumber and extreme outdoor conditions. Of the other brands, when I purchase them (because Diablo isn't sold there or something) they have no consistency. Sometimes they do well, most of the times they don't 🤷♂️
I have used the Diablo blades for years and love them. I love being able to use them to cut radius the blade warps do to heat but once I am done with the cut I can just pick up the saw pull the trigger then the blade cools down and is nice and straight again and able to make Great cuts.
Do you think they last as long as they used to 15 years ago? It seems they are not the same, I sliced a truck bed in 2003 and didnt even know it. Now t seems if hit anything, it loses its teeth.
What I learned from this IMPRESSIVE demo is this => I should not keep worrying and crying whole afternoon if i accidentally cut a rusty iron nail while cutting old plywood from some past project. That's nice to know. Thanks a lot, Regards, p.s. Liked and Subscribed
Yeah, for those who already knew the Diablo blades were better, this is not a surprise. Nice work demonstrating it! Now get you one of those fastener holders so you don't jab your finger with that bit.
I use nothing but Diablo blades in my cabinet shop, and though some of them are nearly 20 years old now, they still cut like their namesake! I've discovered the key to blade longevity and efficiency is cleanliness, so I periodically remove any resin buildup using cheap oven cleaner and an old toothbrush, followed by a thorough rinse in warm water.
Years of Team Blue buying Irwin/DeWalt blades... tried DIABLO 👿 after a recent sale and 😳 WOW!! So SMOOTH ... Made my old DeWalt corded circular saw fun to cut with again.
Any blade that can go through a nail and not need to be changed muchless a lag bolt has my business.. but 30 nails & 30 lag bolts has me blown away with how far skill saw blades have come..
When you said @2:17 5/16" lag in STAINLESS ! I said no way ! I was stunned and amazed that all the blades made it through the torture testing. Stainless is hard - really hard. Try drilling holes through just 1/8" stainless bars (bring more bits).
Part of my business is sharpening circular saw blades. I've found the #1 killer of carbide toothed blades is abuse. Tungsten carbide is pretty amazing stuff and will cut through anything with no damage to the teeth. However, tungsten carbide is so brittle that it's susceptible to breaking when it is shocked and, more importantly in this case, when a load is applied in a direction where there is no support. Slow, steady pressure while cutting through metal will get you through just about anything but ramming the blade into nails, bolts or whatever will quickly break the teeth. Likewise, twisting the saw in the cut applies a heavy side load where the teeth are not supported by the saw plate and can cause significant damage. It seems likely that the demonstration you saw used this to damage the teeth. Another thing I've learned is that you don't have to hit metal to damage the teeth. Ramming the blade into wood on a chop saw is enough to cause damage. I have a commercial customer I sharpen for and I see that from their blades all the time. Thing is, tungsten carbide is so tough that many teeth on a blade can be damaged but it will still cut, only more poorly. The blades you used for the test likely all have broken/chipped teeth now, but will still cut because horsepower. The cut will be rougher, can have tracking issues, slower and have a lot more heat buildup. I highly recommend that no one cut through metal with their wood blades, but if you have to go slow and easy and you will minimize damage to the teeth.
Some of those blades are made of Silly Putty. It's hit or miss with any blade other than Diablo. I have used both Freud and Forrest Chopmaster and Diablo comes the closest to being a real blade.
Diablo is Freud only painted red and marketed to contractors. Also Diablo branded Freud blades tend to have thinner kerfs than the Freud branded Freud blades, which tend to be marketed towards woodworkers instead of contractors.
I’m so happy you guys did this. I saw the video with the Diablo blade and I just couldn’t believe that was real. We use Diablo blades to cut everything at our roofing company. And I’ve never seen anything like that
I've been a LOYAL user of Diablo Blades for over 20 years! Diablo bits you name it.... I'LL NEVER LOOK BACK at any other blade! I have yet to have one fail me, in making the perfect cut every time!
One thing I would like to add that wasn’t considered. Most stainless will work harden very easily and quickly. So the first cut gets an advantage because it is softer and not exposed to heat cycling. Once the lags are cut the first time, they can get nearly 2x as hard through work hardening. So by the third cut, they are considerably harder than the first past.
NO. It will only work harden in the immediate, and I mean immediate, vicinity of the cut. A couple of millimetres away, never mind 0.5", and the stainless will be unaffected.
@Charles Hirst is right. 1/2" away won't be any harder. Work-hardening happens from deformation of the material. Not so much from the heat. When cutting stainless, you've really gotta feed the cutting tool and don't let it "rub". Going too slow through stainless is where you run into trouble. Drilling through stainless is really tough. I'm amazed these blades cut through all that stuff.
These two dudes are great together. That killsaw is the real hero here but that Diablo blade ain’t no joke! That’s why their the best. Tell crescent to stick with wrenches
I’ve seen several videos from both of you but I never knew you two knew each other! Very cool. I always get good information from both of you guys as well as a few laughs.
Stainless has a much lower recommended surface feet per minute than steel. This means that for the same size cutter, 7 1/4 diameter blade in this case, lower revolutions are recommended. This can not be achieved on a skill saw as it is not variable speed. I think Diablo, and the others, would cut a LOT more stainless if they were fitted to a slower RPM saw. Also, carbide does not do well with rapid cooling. In machining, either flood coolant or no coolant is used with carbide, intermittent coolant destroys carbide instantly. I ruined a Diablo jigsaw blade by cutting metal then into wood. When it hit the wood it cooled rapidly and started to disintegrate. Your test is not producing as a rapid change in temperature. It would be interesting to see a similar test in freezing weather to see if it would have the same effect as I experienced if the materials were cold.
Love the channel brother! I'm a diy'er and rental investor so I run midgrade tools often. Ive used some Diablo blades and they are great. A price sensitive consumer option I have been impressed with is Avanti, mainly for miter saw.
Is it just me that gets a really queasy anxious feeling every time e this guy puts his left hand behind the sawplate? Can't help thinking one day it'll bind and kickback straight over his thumb 😱😱
Appreciate this test, watching the Stafda 2021 video & was blown away at the results. Diablo/Freud makes some pretty darn good blades that are priced very well, and watching that “test”/video….was like 😳…WHAAAAT😱. HMM….. Nice to know that weren’t stuck in a dream world, and that the testing done there was a “different kind of test”, let’s call it😉 Thanks Guys for bringing our hopes & dreams back to reality w/ Diablo blades. Happy Christmas to you ALL✌🏻
Great. I'll try not to find myself cutting through 25 fasteners, flashing and shingles all at once, but it's nice to know I can (if that is ever a thing).
Morning, I sawr this, good comparison here. I think steel changes with heat exposure, so not sure if it's an equal thing. I think that making a pass thru clean wood after the metal imbedded one may have show better results. been doing wood working, demo for about 35 years. I began purchasing Diablo blades back when they came out with the red color at the Home Dept. I love's. Demo cutting to finish trimming they hold up and leave great finish cutting. I'll keep purchasing the Diablo's, Thanks for the Demo!!
Awesome demonstration. Sadly there are many ways in which they could bias their tests. They could have taken new Diablo blades and ground the carbides (all it really takes is one really dull one to stall a saw cutting through something like that), and/or use techniques (such as twisting the saw) to bind the saw and look as if one blade was poorer than another. The first thing I noticed in "their" demonstration you can see the wood chunk immediate with the Diablo blade which is a good indication the sharpness had been removed and/or they plunged hard into the wood. Glad you took the time, energy, and money to make this demonstration. Thank you
Great comparison, and shame on Crescent! I've been a long time fan of various Diablo cutting implements and your testing affirms my faith in them. What would be a better real world comparison between the Diablo blades and the Dewalt blades however, because a grade of carbide or tooth design that withstands nail cutting isn't necessarily best for cutting clean wood, would be to cut clean lumber until one of them demonstrated being dull. God knows that would be an incredible amount of cutting, and at the end of the day you can't go wrong with a $10 Diablo blade.
Gawd!! - I found that AMAZING!! I always worry with just the odd nail so to see that result form all is incredible and the Diablo stunning. Many thanks for the vid peeps!
Great video with good testing! However another title for this video could be "How to hold a circular saw to maximize the possibility of losing digits!"
Every single carpenter who knows what they are doing cuts like that. If you don't know why he has he's left thumb on the leading edge of the foot of the saw...you shouldn't ever be using a skilsaw.
@@markjohnson4116 I understand holding the guide with the thumb - I do that myself, but curled fingers dangling down - not the best practice for long term safety.
Holy cow! That is one heck of a torture test. Carbide is an amazing material. Having working as a machinist, the thing you learn about carbide is that it needs to run fast. The other thing is that it doesn't do well with impact (chips easy). There are many different grades of carbide too, so perhaps the saw manufacturers have arrived at the grade that can take the punishment as shown in this test.
Vince I’m liking the joining of forces lol I started on your channel found trz though you know you guys my go to guys for all things tools and cool 😎 now ur both on the same vid Xmas has come early oh oh one thing guys I’m from uk would be nice to see some uk made products abused lmao thanks guys
When the guard rolls up it says KILSAW , very fitting here. He says "I don't think these blades are really made for this", wth? no kidding. Good test though for the saw as well.
great video! thanks for the doing the test. I was introduced to diablo blades last year and was very impressed with their saw-zaw blades. Now I think I should get diablo circular saw blades, too. The blade on my circular is getting dull and was wondering which blade would be good quality. you convinced me!
I bought 1 diablo years ago. Now its diablos on all 3 miter saws, the skilsaw and the sawsall. The carbide sawzall blade is a beast! Cut through a chrome moly motorcycle frame in seconds!
Those Diablo blades are liget ! I bought the sheet metal one to cut AP roofing panels and it went through like butter. At the end of each cut the blade was cool to the touch which in turn makes rust less likely from a heated blade. Awesome demonstration !👍
What were you doing at the time of the burning in the last 6 inches? You stopped the forward progress of the saw to put your left hand on the waste. Similar on all 4 cuts. Just an observation. Still great video. Thanks.
👍👍I’m a Diablo blade fan. So far I haven’t been on a job site where they’re using saw blades like that, only doing demolition hitting an occasional nail. Most demolition that I do is with my recip saw using a Diablo blade cutting an occasional nail, also my old Skill Saw with 7 1/4” blade. When you’re at a demonstration booths like that one, you & others should be able to use the tool yourself & see for yourself if you want to buy the product. I know that I would, otherwise I wouldn’t take their word for it. Y’all have a good one from Texas
Great video guys. I tried using M18 FUEL™ 7-1/4" Rear Handle Circular Saw Back in June-July on cutting plywood with shingles on the vents on top the saw was still working though intermittently the trigger switch would not engage the motor afterwards. I'm about to get it back now since local repair just called saying it was ready yesterday. I've been using Skilsaw SPTH77M-12 7-1/4 in. TRUEHVL Cordless Worm Drive Saw which I bought as a backup. I don't know if I want to try cutting shingles with it, with the Milwaukee they were replacing the circuitry. Which type did you use in the test?
I'm speaking from field experience, Diablo all day long. I would have been standing with the group of guys at Stafda predicting the results before the tests. Anyone in the field already knows.... I would've went out my truck, brought in a used Diablo blade and smoked the competition
The 80's porn music seemed out of place until I realized there were two dudes doing a lot of drilling and screwing. Seriously, though, I have learned a lot from this channel. Keep it up and thank you
A few years ago, I was buying new blades for my circular saw and had Dewalt in my hand. Another customer saw it and suggested I try Diablo. I now buy them for all my saws.
I'm so glad to see this done fairly. When you're intentionally twerking and ramming a blade into a hard surface you're going to break the carbides and cause it to do worse. And in all of those shows that's what I see these other companies doing when comparing to Diablo, they intentionally twerk and ram the Diablo blade. I wouldn't doubt that they may even pre-dull the carbides prior to testing suck as running a file on the tips before the show🤷♂️ I mean think about it. Some of those booths show a Diablo not even being able to make it through the nasty sandwich, yet guys like us do it all the time to make sure our blades are worth what we're spending. At least me as a contractor I test out different blades to see what's the best performing rather than just going off of what I see and here. I buy a bunch of Brands when they first come out with something new and run tests of my own and simply write the blades off as a business expense for testing🤷♂️ call it job insurance and efficiency testing🤷♂️ why is it Diablo; when they run their Booth can make it through without a hitch but in another company's booth; the same Diablo cannot even make it through🤷♂️. It would suggest either pretest tampering, or coaching on how to make the blade perform less favorably from the non Diablo company to the booth operator when testing the Diablos. Win it fair or step off the stage🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️. Me personally I know for a fact that Diablo is not only worth the money but have put it through the paces myself. Matter of fact I've run the same Diablo framing blade in my circular saw for 5 years straight before replacing with a new blade simply because I wanted to make sure I had the cleanest cuts with a new client that I obtained but the blade that I replaced was still cutting strong. That and I take care of my blades no matter what brand. After a full day of cutting I clean my carbides or at the very least clean up when the job is done if it's going to be a couple of days job. Do not knock the cheap blades. I mean I even had a Harbor Freight blade that outlasted a DeWalt. It's all in how you use and take care of your blades that make them last longer, but when you have Superior carbide; it's a game changer. Another reason I prefer Diablo is the thinner blade kerf. And for the price, I'm a Diablo guy all day when it comes to Framing and demo blades. For them to be able to make a blade that has a thinner blade kerf meaning thinner carbide that cuts better than some of the bigger more expensive Brands; tells me that they're carbides are harder yet somehow retain toughness to resist breakage and that the Metallurgy behind their carbides is superior. If Only They would make their router bits just as cheap. But again I understand the cost of the router bits again because they're carbides are superior in my opinion. Basically if it takes a blade, in my shop it contains a Diablo blade.
Holding the saw so close to the blade with gloves on, I was holding my breath, praying that the blade did not grab the glove. It would have pulled your hand into the path of the spinning blade and would have been a disaster!
My girlfriend is always asking me why I don’t put on gloves when working. I spent 5 years apprenticing as a Toolmaker and gloves, watches, neckless’ , and rings were an absolute no no. I got so used to not wearing them that I now find them annoying. The only time I wear gloves is when hauling plywood(splinters) in and out of the truck, or when installing snap/click lock flooring(improved grip). Great video though, I’m subscribing for sure. I’ll probably pick up some Diablo for my cordless next time I’m at the store. Oh, my girlfriend has forced me to wear knee pads because she says I have monkey ass knees.
Yeah, I switched to a left hand trigger grip after taking a little chunk out of my left index finger while holding the guard open. Holding it open with your right is lots safer when the start kick twists the whole saw. Now I do all my cuts left handed, it's almost like the top handle was designed to be for a right hand...
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Talk that talk and get them straight!!!! show it like it should when we are out in the field
Most of this blades are from the italian CMT, it is the same blade. Diablo is CMT. Hahahahahah all youtube is full of comparatives of the exactly the same blade with diferent color.
So much tension in the room that only a Diablo blade could cut through it
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I'm an old carpenter went through thousands of blades. And I have to say this was the most interesting test I have ever seen!
Rule 1 never put your thumb an inch from a spinning worm drive saw blade like Vance did numerous times. Use the frigging handle Vinny.
14:28 😬
Gloves and rotating machinery is
a bad idea too.
@@gunthur696 😂
don't touch the blade....it's plunged in!!!, lol 😂
@@louislavoie1238can confirm. Gloves and trim router didn't really mesh well for me personally. No left index fingertip anymore. Stray thread did me in. Now, I normally never wear gloves but on this day, in the pnw it has rained so hard for so long my hands were actually pruned, couldn't grip anything and all that. Never make that mistake again. Unless handling metal shreds... No Gloves for me
This is why I like you guys, you saw something that you didn't think was right and recreated the test to prove they were full of it.
They are gonna call him stumpy if he keeps that gloved left hand on the front of saw that close to the blade.
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This is why I`m here also, why I tell everyone about VCG and Vince... No BS, just pure facts!! Never change man! Your integrity and honesty is UNmatched in the industry!!!
Thanks Mike, I appreciate that! 👍🏻
The whole time they were doing this I was thinking, "but the fasteners towards the head are fatter before the threads start, so this is automatically a little off," and then you did the test again proving why you guys are awesome.
I would have used mixed threaded a and rebar to do the test.
That and some of the heads were sunk into the wood causing compression of the wood until first cut which is tougher on the saw, but as you said they went back for a better apples to apples comparison (although the diablo still outperformed the others even with the compressed wood).
It blows my mind how they can basically make a satire showing, bashing another brands product as a large brand themselves and not expect large influences to show that they were just blowing smoke. That HAS to make an impact on their company, and tradesmans view of said companies.
For the longest time, if I had to cut something, it was a Diablo blade. Recip, circular, jigsaw, table/miter, and even angle grinders. Diablo all the way baby
The true test would be to see how each blade cuts after the torture test. Which one can still make a decent cut?
But why we need real world situations idc how durable it is long as it stays cutting
I agree and not look like a snake
I agree, in day-to-day life there are unforeseen events like cutting a screw or nail in the middle of the wood. But I wanted to see if the blade still makes a clean cut after that.
Project farm has a test of a number of blades and one of the tests is to see how they do after going through some nails. Diablo was the second best in how well it stood up to the abuse out of something like 10 blades.
@@ShaySaliba i’ve burnt out diablos 4 15 yrs. At least. They still do a better cut after an issue
Should of ran a rip cut in clean wood after that would tell what blade was in the best shape
Agreed!
Clean the blades and cut clean wood. I imagine all the asphalt they picked up didn't do them any favors either.
Came here to say exactly this.
Setting proper blade depth helps all these thin kerf blades from getting hot and deflecting. When framing or demo, i like the pirona blades, they are cheap and last.
Bought my first Diablo blades back a few years ago and haven't had any regrets, Diablo all the way. Good job VCG at leveling the field and showing the real deal.
No regerts
Same here. They are not the best blades on the market but I feel they are the best value for the hobbyist and part time wood worker.
I was just milling down some oak barnwood and missed a couple of nails because they were not visible and too deep for a magnet to catch and I do. It have a metal detector. I cut through those two nails like a hot knife through butter and there was no visible damage to the blade.
@@rp9674 not even one? Not even a letter?
@@CrazyManwich not eating enough Snickers.
Great name, Manwich!
I am a big fan of the Diablo and DeWalt. You should have ran all three blades a second run and possibly a third run to see which one holds up the best.. great video by the way
Been using 7-1/4" Diablo blades, 24 and 40 tooth, for many years. Every other blade I've tried created an urgency to get it off my saw.
They're the "gold" standard at their price point....IMO
I bought a Diablo for my “home saw” 6 years ago. Still in use today….about an hour use a year.
Even the job saw blades last 4-6 weeks of constant use. Of course I’m not doing anything like this! L0L
My question is do they ever wear out, our do they just get the carbides broken by nails?
@@viperstrike3827 if the carbides don't break off they'll still collect pitch and sap, and leave that burned finish on the face of your cut, after a while
@@maxnovakovics2568 Thank you for the reply! I usually break them before that point. You can clean then with dawn and a stiff brush, that helps a little.
I like how at that depth, the saw says "KILSAW" 😂 seems fitting.
Great test! I'm a little surprised they all made it through without too much trouble
Yeah, I'd probably file off the S If I bought one lol
I don't know if its psychological or just comfort but everytime I slap a new Diablo blade on i know it will get the job done. Their sawzall jig and framing blade are always throwing saw dust on my work sites... great re assuring video vince.
Any blade that can make it through a cut like that has my respect, I am still going with Diablo and then if there are none on the shelves, DeWalt. I have tried a ton of no name blades but those two seem to be the top performers in my book.
Same here. I always buy Diablo when I’m at a place that stocks them, which is most everywhere, but when I’m at a place that doesn’t (Lowe’s) I buy dewalt. I’m a fan of dewalt blades because that’s what I always used until I discovered Diablo. Now I only buy red when I have the chance
Try the kobalt marathon blades, tungsten carbide teeth. I ran one on a skilsaw cutting framing lumber only for 18 months, then cut apart a 2500sq ft roof into 4x4ft squares for removal through the composite shingles and sheeting. The used the same blade to easily cut framing lumber for another 3months... for 9$
@@Natedoc808 Kobalt Marathon blades , got it . Thanks for that tip . I will try them for sure .
TRZ can’t finish a sentence with Vince in the room! “DON’T TOUCH IT!” “But there’s only one way to find out!” You guys do a great job at giving us the truth when it comes to the tools we use!!
The most random of youtube recommendations. I don't use power tools that often, and definitely don't care about what's new or cool in the tool world. But I watched this whole video, and enjoyed the level of passion these two dudes have for tools. Thanks youtube
I use the Diablo carbide wood blades in my Milwaukee metal cutting circular saw. So far they seem to work just fine and a quarter of the price or less compared to the ones recommended.
I just put 8 1/4 in my Milwaukee that calls for 8. its tight. I use DeWalt mostly 12 in my 14-metal chop saw. i have a machine shop carbide is all it takes.
The thing I can't believe is where you placed your left hand sooooo close to the saw blade wow!!!!
Content like this is exactly why I joined VCG. 💫
Thanks Preacher! 👍🏻
My Dewalt blade kept going to the right just a little bit. I switched to Diablo and it was day and night. The cut was perfectly straight and clean and really felt like butter. I was using a Ridid circular saw on 3/4" plywood with my diy saw guide. At first i thought the saw and guide did not match accurately, but the blade fixed it perfectly.
This is why VCG is the best for tool reviews! Honesty goes a long way! Vince you are the man
Thanks James!
The Diablo blades are awesome! The first thing I do when I buy a new saw is I pair it up with a Diablo blade. This was a great test!! Well done, have an awesome night! 👍🏻
Thanks ZZ, we appreciate it! 👍🏻
Same here, put a Diablo on it and not have to worry about blades for years
I really appreciate Vince maintaining saw safety when the saw was hot.
Vince, I'm stunned. First, I can not believe the booth would stage a result that was so obviously false to carpenters and second, I'm impressed with your demo. All blades made it thru. I always buy red Diablo blades and bits and would not waste the time on others. Merry Xmas and have a happy New Year from Australia.
Do you have an opinion on the diablo speed demon spade bits? I picked up a set today and they seem very cool.
@@noahleek9696 they are GREAT! not even kidding.
@@noahleek9696 they're exactly the same as the old bosch spade bits. Best in class for sure
I’m a Diablo fan. I have one on the miter saw and one on the circular saw.
Diablo is the only one that consistently stands up to the abuse of wet lumber and extreme outdoor conditions. Of the other brands, when I purchase them (because Diablo isn't sold there or something) they have no consistency. Sometimes they do well, most of the times they don't 🤷♂️
I have used the Diablo blades for years and love them. I love being able to use them to cut radius the blade warps do to heat but once I am done with the cut I can just pick up the saw pull the trigger then the blade cools down and is nice and straight again and able to make Great cuts.
Do you think they last as long as they used to 15 years ago? It seems they are not the same, I sliced a truck bed in 2003 and didnt even know it. Now t seems if hit anything, it loses its teeth.
Try the smaller 6.5" blades for radius cuts... You wont be disappointed!
What I learned from this IMPRESSIVE demo is this => I should not keep worrying and crying whole afternoon if i accidentally cut a rusty iron nail while cutting old plywood from some past project. That's nice to know. Thanks a lot, Regards,
p.s. Liked and Subscribed
It’s all about peace of mind, happy to help!
Didn't even realize I was subscribed to this channel. Why is my Evil Twin There!!???
Slice & Dice, use & abuse!
Smeeesh that like button. 👀👉🏽 👍🏽
You Twin Brother definitely got all the good genes 🧬
@@VCGConstruction 😠
@@jasonbabila6006 What's up Jason!!!!!!
Hilarious Clint Guess what The Makita Gnome visited me today and my 40 volt Hammer Drill came through for me 😁
Amazing - Vince - This is the best saw blade test I have seen in resist memory.
Very Very Cool 😎 Thank you much !!!
Wow thanks Stephen, I really appreciate that!
Yeah, for those who already knew the Diablo blades were better, this is not a surprise. Nice work demonstrating it! Now get you one of those fastener holders so you don't jab your finger with that bit.
Or keep your hands away and allow the screw head to initialize..
I use nothing but Diablo blades in my cabinet shop, and though some of them are nearly 20 years old now, they still cut like their namesake! I've discovered the key to blade longevity and efficiency is cleanliness, so I periodically remove any resin buildup using cheap oven cleaner and an old toothbrush, followed by a thorough rinse in warm water.
Don't forget the silicone spray
Years of Team Blue buying Irwin/DeWalt blades... tried DIABLO 👿 after a recent sale and 😳 WOW!! So SMOOTH ... Made my old DeWalt corded circular saw fun to cut with again.
Any blade that can go through a nail and not need to be changed muchless a lag bolt has my business.. but 30 nails & 30 lag bolts has me blown away with how far skill saw blades have come..
When you said @2:17 5/16" lag in STAINLESS ! I said no way ! I was stunned and amazed that all the blades made it through the torture testing. Stainless is hard - really hard. Try drilling holes through just 1/8" stainless bars (bring more bits).
Cobalt bits in a drill press with heavy feed and lube is the only way to get more than a few holes out of a bit in my experience
Part of my business is sharpening circular saw blades. I've found the #1 killer of carbide toothed blades is abuse. Tungsten carbide is pretty amazing stuff and will cut through anything with no damage to the teeth. However, tungsten carbide is so brittle that it's susceptible to breaking when it is shocked and, more importantly in this case, when a load is applied in a direction where there is no support. Slow, steady pressure while cutting through metal will get you through just about anything but ramming the blade into nails, bolts or whatever will quickly break the teeth. Likewise, twisting the saw in the cut applies a heavy side load where the teeth are not supported by the saw plate and can cause significant damage. It seems likely that the demonstration you saw used this to damage the teeth. Another thing I've learned is that you don't have to hit metal to damage the teeth. Ramming the blade into wood on a chop saw is enough to cause damage. I have a commercial customer I sharpen for and I see that from their blades all the time. Thing is, tungsten carbide is so tough that many teeth on a blade can be damaged but it will still cut, only more poorly. The blades you used for the test likely all have broken/chipped teeth now, but will still cut because horsepower. The cut will be rougher, can have tracking issues, slower and have a lot more heat buildup. I highly recommend that no one cut through metal with their wood blades, but if you have to go slow and easy and you will minimize damage to the teeth.
I have had a diablo blade on a 7 1/4 saw for at least 10 years and it's still going strong will always recommend it. Thanks for the vid
Great video. I also LOVE the Diablo 3TPI, carbide tipped recip blade for sawzall. They cut super fast and last forever.
Those Diablo blades are nice, I really like the recip blades they make. Thanks for the video, Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄
Merry Christmas to you and yours Phil!
Some of those blades are made of Silly Putty. It's hit or miss with any blade other than Diablo. I have used both Freud and Forrest Chopmaster and Diablo comes the closest to being a real blade.
Diablo is Freud only painted red and marketed to contractors. Also Diablo branded Freud blades tend to have thinner kerfs than the Freud branded Freud blades, which tend to be marketed towards woodworkers instead of contractors.
I’m so happy you guys did this. I saw the video with the Diablo blade and I just couldn’t believe that was real. We use Diablo blades to cut everything at our roofing company. And I’ve never seen anything like that
Big blue 5 tooth carbide 7¼" for cutting shingles/roofing??
I've been a LOYAL user of Diablo Blades for over 20 years! Diablo bits you name it.... I'LL NEVER LOOK BACK at any other blade! I have yet to have one fail me, in making the perfect cut every time!
One thing I would like to add that wasn’t considered. Most stainless will work harden very easily and quickly. So the first cut gets an advantage because it is softer and not exposed to heat cycling. Once the lags are cut the first time, they can get nearly 2x as hard through work hardening. So by the third cut, they are considerably harder than the first past.
Excellent point here!
NO. It will only work harden in the immediate, and I mean immediate, vicinity of the cut. A couple of millimetres away, never mind 0.5", and the stainless will be unaffected.
@Charles Hirst is right. 1/2" away won't be any harder. Work-hardening happens from deformation of the material. Not so much from the heat. When cutting stainless, you've really gotta feed the cutting tool and don't let it "rub". Going too slow through stainless is where you run into trouble. Drilling through stainless is really tough. I'm amazed these blades cut through all that stuff.
great video I am shocked that any of the blades made it through thanks
Diablo has the best products hands down!!
Awesome work Vince and whoever that other guy is.
Some real nice like tests there.
These two dudes are great together. That killsaw is the real hero here but that Diablo blade ain’t no joke! That’s why their the best. Tell crescent to stick with wrenches
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It held the reign as Mack Daddy of it’s Class for longer than any other saw ever made
Yeah there great if you got rid of vince, he waffles too much
Worth the watch
I’ve seen several videos from both of you but I never knew you two knew each other! Very cool. I always get good information from both of you guys as well as a few laughs.
Thanks for the honest test... I use diablo for my miter and Table saw and work with reclaimed lumber they are great blades..
“Don’t touch it” !!😂😂🤣🤣
I enjoy seeing Clint and Vance doing tool review videos together. Lol
Stainless has a much lower recommended surface feet per minute than steel. This means that for the same size cutter, 7 1/4 diameter blade in this case, lower revolutions are recommended. This can not be achieved on a skill saw as it is not variable speed. I think Diablo, and the others, would cut a LOT more stainless if they were fitted to a slower RPM saw. Also, carbide does not do well with rapid cooling. In machining, either flood coolant or no coolant is used with carbide, intermittent coolant destroys carbide instantly. I ruined a Diablo jigsaw blade by cutting metal then into wood. When it hit the wood it cooled rapidly and started to disintegrate. Your test is not producing as a rapid change in temperature. It would be interesting to see a similar test in freezing weather to see if it would have the same effect as I experienced if the materials were cold.
Great video. Had a lot of fun with this one.
Love the channel brother! I'm a diy'er and rental investor so I run midgrade tools often. Ive used some Diablo blades and they are great. A price sensitive consumer option I have been impressed with is Avanti, mainly for miter saw.
Is it just me that gets a really queasy anxious feeling every time e this guy puts his left hand behind the sawplate? Can't help thinking one day it'll bind and kickback straight over his thumb 😱😱
Appreciate this test, watching the Stafda 2021 video & was blown away at the results. Diablo/Freud makes some pretty darn good blades that are priced very well, and watching that “test”/video….was like 😳…WHAAAAT😱. HMM…..
Nice to know that weren’t stuck in a dream world, and that the testing done there was a “different kind of test”, let’s call it😉
Thanks Guys for bringing our hopes & dreams back to reality w/ Diablo blades.
Happy Christmas to you ALL✌🏻
Great. I'll try not to find myself cutting through 25 fasteners, flashing and shingles all at once, but it's nice to know I can (if that is ever a thing).
40 fasteners
I could be wrong
Vince let Clint get a word in poor bloke lol 😂
Morning, I sawr this, good comparison here. I think steel changes with heat exposure, so not sure if it's an equal thing. I think that making a pass thru clean wood after the metal imbedded one may have show better results. been doing wood working, demo for about 35 years. I began purchasing Diablo blades back when they came out with the red color at the Home Dept. I love's. Demo cutting to finish trimming they hold up and leave great finish cutting. I'll keep purchasing the Diablo's, Thanks for the Demo!!
Awesome demonstration. Sadly there are many ways in which they could bias their tests. They could have taken new Diablo blades and ground the carbides (all it really takes is one really dull one to stall a saw cutting through something like that), and/or use techniques (such as twisting the saw) to bind the saw and look as if one blade was poorer than another. The first thing I noticed in "their" demonstration you can see the wood chunk immediate with the Diablo blade which is a good indication the sharpness had been removed and/or they plunged hard into the wood. Glad you took the time, energy, and money to make this demonstration. Thank you
I been a Diablo blade fan for many years. I use their circular and reciprocating blades all the time.
Hello again Vince and Vcg
Thank you for another Great Video. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Hello George, merry Christmas to you and yours as well my friend! 👍🏻
One of your best test videos! Thanks for the fair comparison.
Glad you liked it!
Great comparison, and shame on Crescent! I've been a long time fan of various Diablo cutting implements and your testing affirms my faith in them. What would be a better real world comparison between the Diablo blades and the Dewalt blades however, because a grade of carbide or tooth design that withstands nail cutting isn't necessarily best for cutting clean wood, would be to cut clean lumber until one of them demonstrated being dull. God knows that would be an incredible amount of cutting, and at the end of the day you can't go wrong with a $10 Diablo blade.
Gawd!! - I found that AMAZING!! I always worry with just the odd nail so to see that result form all is incredible and the Diablo stunning. Many thanks for the vid peeps!
I wish they would make multitool blades this good
I feel like Dremel carbide is the best multi-tool blade from my personal experience
I love how excited you get over these devil blades.
Awesome....as usual brother 👊
Thanks Max! 👍🏻
glad you two are working together
Looks like alot less Sparks from the dewalt seemed to cut pretty well @Vcgconstruction
DeWalt did well Antonio!
14:20 Makes me a bit nervous seeing your hand by edge of the blade. Why aren't you using the secondary handle?
Love Diablo blades, every since my framing days
The best video I have seen in year. Thank you for showing up the SCAMMERS the demonstrate a shows.
Great video with good testing! However another title for this video could be "How to hold a circular saw to maximize the possibility of losing digits!"
Safety is something that has to be a habit. When you are doing a video that will be viewed by many people,they may be influenced by unsafe behavior.
Every single carpenter who knows what they are doing cuts like that. If you don't know why he has he's left thumb on the leading edge of the foot of the saw...you shouldn't ever be using a skilsaw.
@@markjohnson4116 I understand holding the guide with the thumb - I do that myself, but curled fingers dangling down - not the best practice for long term safety.
Great video! I appreciate the no BS test
Even Project Farm showed that Diablo does a good job. It rated no 4 out of 9 blades and the top 4 had very close scores.
Holy cow! That is one heck of a torture test. Carbide is an amazing material. Having working as a machinist, the thing you learn about carbide is that it needs to run fast. The other thing is that it doesn't do well with impact (chips easy). There are many different grades of carbide too, so perhaps the saw manufacturers have arrived at the grade that can take the punishment as shown in this test.
Excited for the new video… already know it’s gunna be a good one
Thanks Cuz!
Great video I've used red a long time have cut 1 inch thick tar with nails and plywood new it was gone but kept on cutting only blades to own
Vince I’m liking the joining of forces lol I started on your channel found trz though you know you guys my go to guys for all things tools and cool 😎 now ur both on the same vid Xmas has come early oh oh one thing guys I’m from uk would be nice to see some uk made products abused lmao thanks guys
When the guard rolls up it says KILSAW , very fitting here.
He says "I don't think these blades are really made for this", wth? no kidding. Good test though for the saw as well.
great video! thanks for the doing the test. I was introduced to diablo blades last year and was very impressed with their saw-zaw blades. Now I think I should get diablo circular saw blades, too. The blade on my circular is getting dull and was wondering which blade would be good quality. you convinced me!
I bought 1 diablo years ago. Now its diablos on all 3 miter saws, the skilsaw and the sawsall. The carbide sawzall blade is a beast! Cut through a chrome moly motorcycle frame in seconds!
Those Diablo blades are liget ! I bought the sheet metal one to cut AP roofing panels and it went through like butter. At the end of each cut the blade was cool to the touch which in turn makes rust less likely from a heated blade. Awesome demonstration !👍
Thanks Paul!
Legit
What were you doing at the time of the burning in the last 6 inches? You stopped the forward progress of the saw to put your left hand on the waste. Similar on all 4 cuts. Just an observation. Still great video. Thanks.
These tests are awesome! Seriously appreciate your efforts.
Glad you like them!
👍👍I’m a Diablo blade fan. So far I haven’t been on a job site where they’re using saw blades like that, only doing demolition hitting an occasional nail. Most demolition that I do is with my recip saw using a Diablo blade cutting an occasional nail, also my old Skill Saw with 7 1/4” blade. When you’re at a demonstration booths like that one, you & others should be able to use the tool yourself & see for yourself if you want to buy the product. I know that I would, otherwise I wouldn’t take their word for it. Y’all have a good one from Texas
Those blades going through all looked like a damn Kiss concert lol. Nice video
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Honest Question - Why are you holding the saw like that?
With front hand close to the blade. Curious if I’m missing something.
Thank you!
Great video.
Great video guys. I tried using M18 FUEL™ 7-1/4" Rear Handle Circular Saw
Back in June-July on cutting plywood with shingles on the vents on top the saw was still working though intermittently the trigger switch would not engage the motor afterwards. I'm about to get it back now since local repair just called saying it was ready yesterday. I've been using Skilsaw SPTH77M-12 7-1/4 in. TRUEHVL Cordless Worm Drive Saw which I bought as a backup. I don't know if I want to try cutting shingles with it, with the Milwaukee they were replacing the circuitry. Which type did you use in the test?
Great showing gents. It’s why I’m a fan of DeWalt machines but use Diablo blades for them. Thanks for sharing!!!
I'm speaking from field experience, Diablo all day long. I would have been standing with the group of guys at Stafda predicting the results before the tests. Anyone in the field already knows.... I would've went out my truck, brought in a used Diablo blade and smoked the competition
The 80's porn music seemed out of place until I realized there were two dudes doing a lot of drilling and screwing. Seriously, though, I have learned a lot from this channel. Keep it up and thank you
Two of the coolest guys on RUclips working together
Thanks Danny!
They need some ear pro so they can keep making content.
A few years ago, I was buying new blades for my circular saw and had Dewalt in my hand. Another customer saw it and suggested I try Diablo. I now buy them for all my saws.
I'm so glad to see this done fairly. When you're intentionally twerking and ramming a blade into a hard surface you're going to break the carbides and cause it to do worse. And in all of those shows that's what I see these other companies doing when comparing to Diablo, they intentionally twerk and ram the Diablo blade. I wouldn't doubt that they may even pre-dull the carbides prior to testing suck as running a file on the tips before the show🤷♂️ I mean think about it. Some of those booths show a Diablo not even being able to make it through the nasty sandwich, yet guys like us do it all the time to make sure our blades are worth what we're spending. At least me as a contractor I test out different blades to see what's the best performing rather than just going off of what I see and here. I buy a bunch of Brands when they first come out with something new and run tests of my own and simply write the blades off as a business expense for testing🤷♂️ call it job insurance and efficiency testing🤷♂️ why is it Diablo; when they run their Booth can make it through without a hitch but in another company's booth; the same Diablo cannot even make it through🤷♂️. It would suggest either pretest tampering, or coaching on how to make the blade perform less favorably from the non Diablo company to the booth operator when testing the Diablos. Win it fair or step off the stage🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️. Me personally I know for a fact that Diablo is not only worth the money but have put it through the paces myself. Matter of fact I've run the same Diablo framing blade in my circular saw for 5 years straight before replacing with a new blade simply because I wanted to make sure I had the cleanest cuts with a new client that I obtained but the blade that I replaced was still cutting strong. That and I take care of my blades no matter what brand. After a full day of cutting I clean my carbides or at the very least clean up when the job is done if it's going to be a couple of days job. Do not knock the cheap blades. I mean I even had a Harbor Freight blade that outlasted a DeWalt. It's all in how you use and take care of your blades that make them last longer, but when you have Superior carbide; it's a game changer. Another reason I prefer Diablo is the thinner blade kerf. And for the price, I'm a Diablo guy all day when it comes to Framing and demo blades. For them to be able to make a blade that has a thinner blade kerf meaning thinner carbide that cuts better than some of the bigger more expensive Brands; tells me that they're carbides are harder yet somehow retain toughness to resist breakage and that the Metallurgy behind their carbides is superior. If Only They would make their router bits just as cheap. But again I understand the cost of the router bits again because they're carbides are superior in my opinion. Basically if it takes a blade, in my shop it contains a Diablo blade.
This is an excellent video. A real proper heads up comparison. I’m just a home gamer DIYer but I love your videos.
Holding the saw so close to the blade with gloves on, I was holding my breath, praying that the blade did not grab the glove. It would have pulled your hand into the path of the spinning blade and would have been a disaster!
My girlfriend is always asking me why I don’t put on gloves when working. I spent 5 years apprenticing as a Toolmaker and gloves, watches, neckless’ , and rings were an absolute no no. I got so used to not wearing them that I now find them annoying. The only time I wear gloves is when hauling plywood(splinters) in and out of the truck, or when installing snap/click lock flooring(improved grip). Great video though, I’m subscribing for sure. I’ll probably pick up some Diablo for my cordless next time I’m at the store. Oh, my girlfriend has forced me to wear knee pads because she says I have monkey ass knees.
Yeah, I switched to a left hand trigger grip after taking a little chunk out of my left index finger while holding the guard open. Holding it open with your right is lots safer when the start kick twists the whole saw. Now I do all my cuts left handed, it's almost like the top handle was designed to be for a right hand...