(1511) Airbnb Locks: Losers 1, 2 and 3 (JUNK!)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2019
- In video 1510 I take a look at 3 of the most popular Airbnb locks and all turned out to be losers (and junk!). 1 design for all 3 - all identical except the paint, price and number of stars in their Amazon ratings. What little trust I had in the Amazon rating system evaporated after looking at these locks.
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So basically put this on the wall and the key under the plantpot
Not a bad plan!😋
😂
Which plant pots are the most secure?
@@3DMegadoodoo The one nobody can pick!
Wait until video 1602 - That's when he reveals which lock secured all the nazi gold!
So that is were all the Mark and Pfennige went after Germany switched to the Euro ;-)
at least a few of the 6,74 billion DM in coins that are still around 😉
I have 50 Deutsch Mark still in my wallet
The $18 box had five stars because it was cheapest.
Remember, these stars are awarded by Amazon customers. That's like asking the wino down on the corner to recommend a good Chardonnay.
Brent Geery i got drunk on black box reisling
company party, open bar, hotel!
The stars are awarded by amazon according to the profit margin.
EXCUSE ME I take reviewing purchases on Amazon very seriously. Not that I'd ever buy a lock from Amazon since I can just walk down to the nearest hardware store and buy an Abloy (to lock up my Chardonnay).
Once a guest has access to the key they can make a copy anywhere. You need a disposable key fob/swipe card for entry or a combo deadbolt instead.
Well, not Medeco. You can try Kevo Smartlock and give guests a smartphone ekey, but as they are highly unreliable your guest will be fuming about not being able to get in.
The keypad on smart locks can be configured with a temporary pin that expires after x amount of entries or hours. This is good for service workers or domicile sharing.
You put your property as airbnb you take a risk , you want rent rooms to people , try to run a hotel .
If its an apartment you rent out then , you put at risk everyone else that lives in that building .
Pete Lind Yeah, read about "AirBnB nightmares". The guests that get the combination and keys are the biggest danger.
My experience is that if you hit the top of the box with a hammer in a downward motion they just pop open anyway
These are sold by Master Lock in Australia. Surprise Suprise
Same here in Norway... sadly there are precious few alternatives easily available.
LOL.... Nice way to triggering your German fans with good old D-Mark coins in this - worked perfectly for me! :D :D
I have the same lock whit MASTERLOCK written on it.
Same
@camjamsdad For the insurance claim, you're better off having the door kicked in.
It's somehow worse.
I used a similar to get my AirBNB key.... and a Kwikset key was in inside. :/ Sad products.
Any residence that doesn't cover glass doors and windows with rolling shutters when nobody is around doesn't warrant anything better than a Kwikset lock to secure it. A rock from the garden will allow a burglar to gain access through a glass door faster than the house can be unlocked with a key.
Milosz Ostrow Simple shutters or bars work equally well and are cheaper.
Haven't seen those lovely 50 pf coins in ages! Thanks for the nostalgia :)
Nice decoding method. Thanks for sharing!
I do setup work for AirBNBs for people. Stuff like building flatpack furniture and all that. And i always tell people never to use those rubbish lock boxes. Might aswell just hang the key on the wall. Or other common thing i see is people setting the combos on them to the address. EG if it was Unit 3 at 47 xxx st. The code would be 0347
When we were running an AirBnB for family we used an electronic lock on the door, set a "temporary" combination (the lock allowed you to set a timeout for X days) which we provided to the guest.
Seems like a really bad idea to give your guests access to a physical key, especially if it's not a controlled key...
Probably safer to hide the key under a rock.
the last air bnb i stayed at put the key under the doormat
Or fake dog poop 🤣
@@NicholasLittlejohn why not real dog poop add to the realism
Then he'd be a rock-picking lawyer :-)
Then they get rain water in them and you need pliers to open them. Trust me I went to a place which had one like this but it was raining and the wheels were so stiff I needed to use a pair of pliers to set the wheels and pull the lever. So if you want to make this more secure just stick it in a bucket of salt water before you mount it
The far right lock looked a little wider but the exact same design. I guess it was an illusion. Great video!
Sad that those are the most popular choices! I can understand folks not wanting to put tons of money into it, but the old saying rings true, "buy once, cry once". Maybe something like a schlage connect? Programmable codes to use and then erase, and supposedly the encryption is pretty good on them? Thanks Bill!
I used this technique last year! But because I didn't have a feeler gauge I cut a sliver out of an aluminum can..... Also I learned this technique from you Bill. Thanks for that Btw 🤘
My dad's ex Gf. locked her self out and thanks to Bill I was able to retrieve out of her lockbox she had forgotten the combo to. For the cost of one pop can.
After watchin your combo lock videos i avoid every combo lock.
X-09 is the best lock and it's a combo lock.
I have just done my friends which was on the bk gate but I managed to do it just by pushing real hard on the open button and just feeling and listening to the clicks but I got it. His is a newer one but they all work the same. I also done his combo lock which was a 4 digit code no problem then reset it for him to a 5 digit code. I learned this all by you Bill so thanks very much for giving me the knowledge, Good Job. 👊👍☺
Ya, manufacturing tolerances should also cause some sort of "binding" or at least different counterforce if you pull the trigger and rotate the digits. Should be a matter of minutes (at max) to get in.
@@HSishi yeah I get you. I will be honest I wasn't expecting to do it you know it's because I didn't have a pick 🔪 but it took me under 2mins Topps. As for the button box well that took me literally just 1 minutes. 👍👊☺
Bill looking at those little plastic wheels and that weather door there I can't help but wonder how chemically resistant that lock is. Trying to open those locks with Acetone and Turpentine could be fun experiments.
Opened a friends lock the same way using a slice off the can of beer I'd just drank. He has since stopped using it smart move
Well, now you know how much five Chinese stars is worth. I have tried this on a couple of those style combo wheels and even I can do this, with no proper tools, using an exacto knife for a feeler.
There is a big heavy padlock on our garbage bin. The city just spent thousands of dollars on locks for garbage dumpsters. I could not find where the wifely one put the combination, so I tried this. I was surprised at how easily and quickly I got past that huge heavy lock body with the crappy lock inside.
Apparently, every sidewalk recycler in town knows that trick.
Now they replaced it with a keyed mechanism. The key looks like a saw blade with perfectly equal ups and downs. A couple of nights ago, my wife took out some garbage but forgot the key. One of the aforementioned recyclers zipped the new lock open for her in a few seconds.
Suddenly she thinks my new hobby is a fine hobby for an old boy to get into. :):)
I think she met the guy who is teaching the other street inhabitants how to get into these things. He told her that he opens up the front doors on closed businesses, so that people can sleep in the empty stores when weather is bad. There are many closed businesses on my once fashionable shopping street, here in Canada.
Sounds about right. Home owners trying to cash in with the cheapest possible expense. Odds on that people buying these for their airbnb also don't want to pay for proper short stay rental insurance, and then complain when their house gets trashed.
Given the cost of their investment, you'd think they'd recognise they are not going to buy good security for $20.
Airbnb people are not bright at all. Many rentals are illegal. Report them to your local 311.
Yeah, most people who know anything about this stuff say spend an amount on security that is commensurate with that value of the item you’re trying to secure. Houses are pretty pricey, so $20 is pretty ridiculous. Unless they back it up with a decent alarm, then the key box is really just to stop someone strolling in.
You should take a look at the Wag!(dog walking service app) lockbox. They will send you one for cheap/free when you sign up for the service. Same BS combo lock, but it is the official lock box for the service. My roommate signed up for it so she could get someone to walk her dog if she got stuck at work, but after I saw the box they wanted her to use I wouldn't let her use the service and ended up just walking the dog myself.
Looks like a good starting point for experimentation.
What is more amazing, the fact they are identical yet gain different ratings or that they are so useless? Great video, thank you.
I just got back from a New York vacation, we did not have one of these but I was pleasantly surprised to see our front door had a Mul T Lock cylinder. My son was amazed by the key. Ya Bill, I agree, these are just silly. Just use duct tape or put a sign on door saying key is under mat, almost as safe.
The inter workings of these locks are identical to the MasterLock version. The outer case and door are slightly different, but the interworking appear to be identical. I used a crude shim made from a soft drink can to pick one left on my front door by a service company.
I learned all I needed about barrel locks in 4th grade. We used to pick the bike locks just by feel and then reset the combinations.
You did that too.
My employer wanted me to buy one of these to lock the secure room key in it. The secure room is surrounded by thick walls, vibration alarm and a very thick door that has a metal sheet in it. Could you imagine securing that room with a Master Lock box like that one. What a joke!
Deviant Ollam did a great talk about this at Shakacon I think the talk was called search for the perfect door.
I am not a lockpicker by any means. I have encountered one where I can even tension the combination lock with the switch/shackle.
Great video .
“Let’s take master locks terrible design and just slap our logo on it” - Every lock company ever.
Come on, innovate lock companies..
Bowley
Talk about timing. First time using air bnb last night and thought how easy the box could be beat.
Can you just pull down on the opening lever to put tension on the wheels and rotate them until the free up? No tools required?
Don't spend it all in one place now! keep up the good work and enjoy the retirement ^.^
Bill... Sorry to ruin your retirement, but I don't think you have much left. Most of that isn't legal tender anymore, now that Germany is on the Euro...😅
Michael Berthelsen
I am sorry to disapoint you, but Deutsche Mark and Pfennige are still valid. (1,95583 for one Euro)
Deutsche Bundesbank directly,
all other banks send for you there, several stores take them
, Telekom publicphones...
Many opportunities to give away the old money...
But keep them ;-)
Maybe one day the euro fails and the local currencies return;-)😂😂😂😂😂😂💣
@@pandabaerhellas Haha, I doubt that, but interesting that it's still legal tender through the national bank! Usually when something is phased out, governments set a deadline by which you have to change in your 'old money'. Cool, Germany!😉
Michael Berthelsen
It happens, because there are still millions of cash out there....
( under matresses, coffecans, burried in a treasurebox.............)
😂
Pandabaer Hellas Also because they made some very public promise not to invalidate the D-mark. Because back when D-mark launched, invalidating currency to essentially confiscate undeclared cash was a common unpopular policy.
I remember opening a master lock branded version of this box with a cellphone flashlight, looking at the reflection of the wheels
The airbnb places I've been to, either used electronic door locks, where the owner had to share the code, or the lockbox needed to be electronically unlocked first.
I noticed at a few airbnb that ive been to that they have a high end lock and the door has a fixed handle on the outside (like most hotel doors), and the guest would leave the key inside before they check out.
I think the supra / kidde accesspoint dial key safe is best. Unfortunately most people can't use them. It's the security / functionality trade-off.
Made me laugh laugh
Great demo
That box is where I store my bike's OttoLock code!
With no tools, just apply tension to the unlocking bar and spin the code wheels. Without any false gates you will be able to feel when they align.
I don't know Bill, I tied mine on my dobermann and my place is safe. Are you sure you did not get some defective units?
The Xool lock box's rating is heavily weighted to 5 stars because it is part of Amazon's Giveaway Program. Amazon will send free products to folks who will submit reviews on said products. Good reviews sell products on Amazon. The problem is folks almost universally give good revews so Amazon will continue to send them free things they can sell on ebay. I always check the bottom of an item page on Amazon to see if it is part of Amazon's Giveaway Program.
If the front door has a Master Lock deadbolt, you can just skip the lock box.
Is there a keybox you could recommend to put on the front of your house when you have no alternative but to use one?
Are these "lock" boxes bypassable?
Where did you get that tool bill? It looks like a Peterson but I couldn't find it on any of the usual lockpick websites
Well.. there is one potential role they can have... basic kid protection... mount it high enough to be out of range ;) I wonder if it would be possible to feel the gates using the release leaver as well like on some cheap bike locks? Just tnsion the release and check which one grabs the most turn and when it "jumps in then go with the rest?
I bet he has fifty more of those boxes not just with old German coins but any currency imaginable.
Cut a slot in it a turn it into a piggy bank for your kids/grandkids. That's the only use I can think of for those.
Great video, but what would you recommend instead for my airbnb property?
I have a customer who set up a numerical keypad that he can change the codes over his phone, this then unlocks the door and turns off the alarm. the only way to lock the door from outside is by entering code again, thus making alarm come back on. So a new guest gets a new code today and its the same for however long they stay, after they leave he disables that code forever. seems to be working well for him, 6 properties for over 2 years and no real trouble. I cant imagine it being cheap, but anything worth having isnt cheap i guess.
The quickest way into one of these boxes is to open the window then hit the bottom edge of the window downwards with a hammer, the pot metal of the door breaks at the corner between the bottom or the box and the back plate, the locking pawls disengage and the door falls open. I have done this (in a safe and legal way) and it worked first hit.
Chris Aylott But surreptitious opening lets you copy the key and wait for the homeowners to return remove the keybox and put their valuables back in the flat!
Could you just feel for the clicks by tensioning the opening switch cos the locking catch is parallel to the wheel nubs and the open switch.
Bosnianbill, I'd love to see you review the Abus KeyGarage 767 push button lockbox as an alternative. There's virtually zero info out there on these.
The locks provided by Wag (the dog walking service) also have the same issue. However, their locks are so loosely fitted, you don't even need the filler guage. Just simply shine a flashlight into the dial (left of number) and you can see the flat spot. Line up the numbers and done. Took me less than 60 seconds to open one. I've contacted the company about it. They claim they're investigating the issue and state you don't have to use the locks provided so if anyone has that service, please don't use their provided locks.
Digital key box with a 4-way dead bolt mounted to a wall is about the safest way to lock a key up short of trying to grind open the box to get into it. If you're smart, having a camera pointed at the key box would be an easy way to nab a thief in the event they tried such tactics.
I watched this after No.1514 and was expecting a Derringer and some ammo making the jingle when he opened the box.
I suppose if I rented out something like that, I'd install a keycode burglar alarm on the inside that I could change after each guest (and have only the keypad accessable to a guest, the actual control box being in a locked wall box only I had the key to)
Have you ever checked out those Samsung EZON locks? Have wondered if those are any good.
Can you recommend any lock for this purpose?
Something that uses push buttons rather than a combo wheel would be a good start.
I've got a smart lock, I can text temporary codes to family if I've got someone staying with me. I've never found a lock that's 100% secure so with this one it records video on motion sense to the cloud so if someone does come in unwanted I at least have the footage.
Wow. I always figured those were junk...
@Bosnianbill what about those digital ones Realtors use? I think they are push button code locks
BosnianBill, what's you opinion on the electronic deadbolts, like schlage's connect Camelot line that has an sc1 keyed backup? I won't even ask about kwikset's because I know it's garbage
Anything with a combination is very easy to open
Where have you got those mark and pfennige?
if you are wanting to retire so you can tape your funds i think you can draw the funds without retirement.
the reason for retirement according to another video is because the mental state of old people can compromise their work performance.
we viewers are ok with you taking longer to pick a lock that is what video editing is for to remove excessively boring stuff caused by degraded picking performance.
i can understand a surgeon having to retire because mistakes can lead to malpractice conditions.
but dont worry there is no such thing as malpractice for lock picking so you are safe from any lawsuits here.
so i or we think you are safe to work to 100.
So can you tell us which one you recommend?
Sandleford and MasterLock's equivalents are probably no better though 🤷♂️
Pretty sure these are a copy of the masterlock ones I see on daily basis.
Does it really matter if the lock box is terrible if the front door lock is easier to pick?
Notice that the buyers' rating happiness is directly linked to how much they paid. Paid less=rated more.
Could you make a video of the best lock of each type of lock? Maybe even a Bosnian Bill recommendation rating?
"best lock of each type of lock"? I'm not clear what you mean...
Bosnianbill Something like here is my recommendation on padlocks, house door locks, bike locks, trailer hitch locks. That’s sort of thing. Thank you for all the great vids. I manage a large facility and you have really helped me over the years.
@@CDP135Z Oh, you mean something like this?: locklab.com/home-security/which-lock-should-i-buy/
They look like copies of the Masterlock keybox. Would like to see a recommendation for a god keybox.
I too would like the God keybox.
@@NicholasLittlejohn
Master Lock is close, just pray and it will open.
This is why people I know use electronic keypads that are programmable
Just need to make sure you don't get one that the electronics can be knocked out of the door, and the lock bypassed......
Amazon doesn't rate the products they sell. The rating is done by the customers who buy the junk.
But the real flaw is not just the keybox, it's the type of keys inside, unless they're the type keycopy services can't or won't reproduce without the matching security card.
Can you shim the locking lever.?? Spring loaded or must move the trigger?
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in the video - perhaps you fast forwarded through it... No, you cannot shim it. The locking lever CANNOT depress UNLESS the flat spots on the wheel are lined up. There is a physical block.
@@bosnianbill I get all fuzzy and warm watching good Lock Porn.
I miss details sometimes. Thanks Bill
junk man - 🤣
So what would you recommend for this type of situation?
Not to deal with shady Airbnbs. Cities are cracking down as they cut taxes for schools and parks.
But if you have to have a situation where keys must be available for multiple people without creating several keys for each person and having to change locks if they leave.
putting the key under the landscape rock is much safer!
Almost every construction site ive worked on get locked up with those x.x
Kidde push button key lock boxes are better.
Had to install one for a realtor and he told me to set the code as: 1-2-3-4. 😂 I tell him that’s stupid. So he says how about 4-3-2-1. 😂 I gave up and said that’s perfect.
Well, most people are not good pickers and need code they can remember. I think it is best to deposit a key at friendly neighbour, but if you are worried they will not be home then maybe under the doormat:) Do not waste money on unnecessary locks.
Wow! I have the same combination on my luggage!
what would be a good key box?
*The whole concest of a key box is a bad idea, most of them use cheap locks.*
@Jason Williams a combination like this should be ok www.kaba.com.au/media/916682/v2/File/x-10-brochure.pdf
@@picsi-software Milspec security products make me hard.
A lot of junk in locks!!! 😂😂👍🏻
hi bill
Do you have a good combo lock suggestion or are they all trash? I imagine BEST has a decent one but.....
All cheap clones of the Masterlock 5401 combo wheel box.. which uses the same, unupdated design as the REALLY cheap boxes. (so yeah, bad)... I HATE leaving keys in lock boxes period, it's just bad policy, but customers demand it sometimes... The two that I've found that are a BIT more secure are the Kidde / Supra Keysafe and believe it or not the Masterlock 5422 series pushbutton key safe (same idea, just a bit larger)... They both are far from idea, and I'd take the Kidde over the Masterlock because it's a much tougher lock box to crack into by force with screwdrivers, etc.... but I still hate key safes on principle.
I've missed out on quite a few episodes, are there any that you can recommend?
Derek Broestler I think ASSA lock tubes with a good core are the best keyed lockboxes. Not sure who sells the best combo lock boxes.
Haha. God is it really 18 years ago that we in germany saw these coins the last time? What r u doing with all the old Mark-Coins?
Not really lock boxes, just minor inconvenience boxes.
Things seemed a bit wrong as the more expensive they got the lower the star rating.
People rate things based on value.
I would be less happy for $23.99 than I would for $18.99
Wow! Deutsche Mark 😂
Great way to get your Airbnb broken into.
Their address are online and burglars and private eyes are watching.
I'm thinking they keep making a new brand name and buying new Amazon reviews, as genuine poor reviews reduce sales on the old listing
Genius! Report them all.
my gf has a lockbox of masterlock... idk if they are great tbh :/ Do you recommend a lockbox? its mainly for the sparekey
I have a much nicer one then in this video but it too was easy to decode. You will have to pay quite a bit of money to get one that is relatively safe. I don't recommend them at all.
If it is similar to this style with the combination wheels then its incredibly easy to break into. Most products by masterlock are terrible at being locks. However 99% of people don't know how to pick locks or get through combination locks so even garbage tier locks can act as a deterrent .
@@gadgetman36 from the looks of it its the masterlock MLK5415 my gf has theirs multiple E and D variants she has a green grey one
Sad. Not the boxes. The fact that your retirement fund is twice a s big as mine.
The best is the abus
But the very best is still a KnoxBox
Moisturize those cuticles.
Who cares, if he wants to look like a CEO of a billion dollar corporation who hasn't worked an actual hard job in his life, he will, if not why care what his hands look like?
lustig das da Deutsche Mark (DM) Münzern drin sind ^^