How LOKI Season 2 Perfectly Sets Up AVENGERS vs X-MEN
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Loki Season 2 seemed to wrap up the MCU's Multiverse Saga--so where do we go from here? Is Kang just not a problem anymore? Is Loki in charge of everything? How does this connect to Deadpool and Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars?
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But all the actors have the same person cause. This why they couldn’t recast Ironman remember
Ryan, you should drop Keeps immediately! I gave them a list of all of my meds and medical diagnoses, and yet what they prescribed nearly killed me. I’m not being hyperbolic. In fact, my doctor is having them investigated and they might be losing their license to practice. Just FYI.
When you said the storyline of Loki season 2 starts in the beginning of phase 4. Does that mean it takes place before season 1 of Loki?
Loki my brother from my mother
What are you TALKING about? Loki defeating HWR set the rest of the Kang council free. It made Kang MORE relevant.
Loki replaced hwr, now the timelines are as they were before Kang
@@sYnSilentStormthe “before” was before the sacred timeline when the kane multiverse war happened.
@@sYnSilentStorm Kang ended the multiversal war and established the Sacred Timeline... So BEFORE KANG/HWR, everything was a mess and Kang's variants were all over the place in various timelines.
Let Kang cook!
Exactly. This channel is weird for that
To be honest. I'm going to stop watching any "updates" on Kang or Major's until the trial is over. It's all hot air until a judgement is passed. Unlike other pro Major's in this commentary, or even anti Major's, I am waiting until the judgement and holding my opinion until then. A lot of people claim to be doing that yet get very heated in the same sentance.
You know what I actually agree with you. I'm actually getting about perturbed by these videos.
I am just here to watch people head spin, i got no skin in this game but i got a jar of ants and spiders to throw if major gets out.
I pray that he's proven innocent because he nailed this role
Yeah it's making me feel jaded. Everyone is guilty before any trials now a days
If Loki won, the multiverse saga would be over. There'd be no incursions and all of Kang's variants would be making candles some time, somewhere. That would have been settled but shocker, it's not. All Loki did is set Kang's variants free and give the populations of each timeline the chance to fight for their existence instead of just getting pruned by Big Brother, the TVA. That's what Sylvie asked for and that's what Loki delivered. In actuality, it ended up just as HWR predicted; his variants set free. The only difference is he won't end up back on the throne at the end of time bc the heroes are going to stop his variants.
That's all.
Some channels want to ride this "Kang done, Majors out" thing to death lol.
If they get rid of him before he's even convicted of anything, that's a failing move. Something we'd expect from Sony or WB/Discovery. If they were going to just fire the man with no conviction, why wait til the trial starts? That sounds vindictive and petty. They would have done it long ago like the other companies who leapt without looking. I have a hard time believing they're going the Johnny Depp or James Gunn route, again. They looked stupid. And Gunn actually did what he was accused of. If Majors is innocent, why fire an amazing talent only to shoe horn a character like Doom? Doom deserves proper build up over the course of many years and projects. They'd be killing two great characters with one dumb ass move. Panicking.
I've always assumed the ends of the tree look like the war is starting, but maybe loki made it so Kang would lose in some secret war way.
I totally get what you're saying about him being fired and possibly acquitted, but should Marvel put all their projects on hold while they wait for the legal process to play out?
Don't get me wrong, he's still innocent until proven guilty, but one man should not be able to hold the studio hostage. At some point, Disney and Marvel will have to make a business decision.
I was wondering, if they phase Kang out.. why are they sticking with the Avengers: Kang Dynasty title? Maybe Kang Legacy instead? Seems like they've painted themselves into a Kang corner, not sure that Loki S02 got them completely out of it.
No secret Wars or Kang dynasty than if that happened :(
@@fredcamacho5333 what I'm saying is they could have used that same logic long before the trial started. At this point they're closer to a resolution of this case than the start of the entire thing. If they had in their minds to fire him, and they went so far as to change the ending of Loki to fit this new normal, they would have done it long ago. If they do it this close to a possible acquittal that's just a colossal waste of time, not to mention a piece of shit thing to do. No other way to put it. They could have been casting a replacement for Kang OR Doom, lining up new projects for Doom and most important, get people like me used to the idea of something like this. At this point, we're so close to finding out what the courts final word will be and they'd be pulling the rug right from under us, what the court says be damned.
The idea of there being this big siege battle between cthon charging Loki’s multiversal tree, only to be met with the midnight sons coming to defend the tree, is honestly peak fiction
Agreed. The writers at MCU ain't gonna go in that much depth.
Yeah I doubt Kang is being replaced. Literally the plot of Deadpool 3 is DP getting captured by TVA and going to Wolverine to recuit him
What does that have to do with Kang?
@@positivevibetec bc the leaks say that theyre recruiting an army for Kang
Don't need Kang for the tva 🤷
@@sYnSilentStormyes you do otherwise there will be gaps. His trash scenario he suggested would completely kill the story flow.
@@margapickni7075 if they decide to move on, I don't think they care about the story anymore
Doug’s rant at the end got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel like they wrote the story of how Loki is the creator of the TVA.. and then helped not write themselves in the corner. Because Kang chose Loki cause he knew the Kang war could still happen… or they can move in another direction.
I think He Who Remains didn’t really want to have the responsibility of it all anymore. He’d been “in charge” for millennia . But Loki took it further than HWR thought he would and now it opens the door for the Council of Kangs to truly come to power.
What if Kang Prime planned to have the Kang variants tracked. The TVA gets rid of his competition for him. He could then concentrate on the Avengers and the X-Men.
I actually really like that idea.
The citadel at the end of time was always created by Loki.
When we first see the citadel it's allready a black and gold building and at the end of the series we see the gold and the black rocks move to slowly rebuild the throne (and probably the rest of the citadel)
I can't believe how much you want majors to fail if he turns out to be innocent will you lot hold your hands up and we messed up we judged him before a actual judge gives judgement
They’re sticking with kang
Is it me, or does it seem like some think he's guilty until proven innocent 🤔they've been subtly nudging my man out the door meanwhile marvel has done no such thing
@@eljefepatron216NO
innocent until proven guilty
He Who Remains wanted Loki to take over exactly as he ended up doing. This is a loop that will ultimately end with He Who Remains back on his throne. He Who Remains WANTED a million Kang uprising, he wanted this. You can see the mural of the timekeepers trimming timelines off of Yggdrisil BEFORE Loki takes his throne. Meaning THAT has happened before too. Loki wanted to preserve the sacred timeline SYLVIE told him to let the Kangs come and let the multiverse of "free will" allow them the chance to FIGHT KANG. That's what he did. That's what they The TVA are doing NOW =Trying to prune Kangs as they pop up. They believe they can handle this. The first one after that was Kang from Quantummania. We know what happened after that. We saw the massive arena full of kangs hooting and cheering, preparing for war.
I think they should keep kang. Hopefully majors gets this sorted and they can just continue making the story they had planned
How does the ending of Loki move away from Kang when the entire TVA is now hunting for Kang variants!? He's even more a part of the plot!
You guys keep running with this narrative that somehow the ending has somehow shifted the plan when it couldn't be more according to it.
Thank you.
Ryan rarely misses, but I think he’s off on the Loki ending meaning the end of Kang.
If “losing to ants” wasn’t the end of Kang, then creating an infinite amount of Kangs definitely won’t be the end.
Ryan is never right about anything he says in every single video that Colton Cogburn writes everything so you mean Colton is rarely wrong..
He's off a lot but I prefer him over others.
He misses a lot actually.
Midnight Sons team up is a must with Werewolf by Night, Elsa Bloodstone, Man-Thing, Moon Knight, Blade, Black Knight, and even Ghost Rider!!! 🔥
I think the dormammu idea is solid because we’re not as much experiencing superhero fatigue, but actually supervillain fatigue. There’s nothing threatening about a one and done nemesis. It belittles these great characters and actors, be it Hela, Red Skull, or the High Evolutionary. They’re legacy in the comics on purpose and shouldn’t just be done away with by some hand waving in time to roll the credits.
Reminds me of a blurb from the Punisher writers where people got bored cuz Frank just cleaned house with the Normal Thugs so they made jigsaw a cyborg.
Doug’s Killmonger rant at the end is effin adorable! 🤣😂🤣 LoL
These anti-Kang videos is revealing more about this channel, then what’s next in the Marvel universe.
I think you're REACHING 😂
It's WAYYY to late for them to pivot in such a way to add a a new big baddie.
Why?
Or whyyyyyyy?
Is it really doe? There is nothing really teased right now that would lead him being the "big bad" without insider baseball.
Havent seen a incursion in progress, most of the stuff is like lowkey and Kang got ants in his infinite pants which really lowers his presence.
I dont see how if exactly solid.
This is one of my favorite videos from you. I would love for the MCU to go in that direction.
Crazy how you assume he’s being replaced.
Great theory ryan i just hope they follow the most recent kang story in the mcu. Marvel need to hire you.
You've renewed my hope in the MCU.
Thanks Ryan!
Doug’s little rant was so adorable 🥰 😂
Kang ain't being replaced and his trial just selected a jury
Its a shame we probably wont get anything as close to this fleshed out or awesome compared to what Ryan just put together here lol
I think i watched this same video 7 times. damn screen crush. new topic.
michael waldron was just tasked to direct Avengers Kang Dynasty
Love this!
I surely hope they take some of the best elements from the source material i read the secret wars and the main events that lead it. Seeing where the film are my anticipation is vert low so i really hope they get to work on these adaptation.
Is Jeff Loveless a variant of Quentin Beck?
It feels so weird and odd to remove Kang at this point in the story
Keep putting out the great work! I love the conversations about how the MCU could go different ways while we wait and see what happens.
Lmao love the new doug / dogg outro 😂😂
at this point i don't even know what to expect from marvel
These arent movie characters. They are comic characters. Comic characters dont die. They just go away for a little while, usually a year or two, then come back. And it doesnt ruin the story where they "died".
Here we go baby, always excited for more ScreenCrush!
Hope they dont ditch Kang, i still think he won at the end of loki season 2. It was all part of his plan that puts him right back where he was.
I just finished rewatching What If…? and was just wondering where does the whole Nexus lie in the grand hierarchy. Uatu is no God but I can see he’s more powerul than any of Thor 4’s gods and Ego, as he’s a fifth-dimensional being existing across the multiverse. That’s quite a change from the comics as well. Hope we can see him in live-action someday. Also there was a Watcher at Eternity’s gateway so at the very least we know his race is highly respected.
not sure if kang will be replaced-but if he is it likely won't be with any demonic being. the MCU seems to want to keep from showing them
I think Kang will still be the main villain and I think the Avengers Versus X-men could still happen at the start of Secret Wars, I like the idea of the Midnight Suns protecting Loki, I think Doctor Strange needs to assemble the Midnight Suns in Doctor Strange 3 and Doctor Voodoo should be included so he can be the next sorcerer supreme just like in the comics and it will also include Blade, Ghost Rider, Man-Thing, Werewolf By Night, Clea and Agatha as the first iteration of the group because Moon Knight seems to be on his own and Elsa Bloodstone could later on join the group!
i hope you guys don’t really believe that marvel would put in contract that only majors can play kang, no major studio would do that it doesn’t make sense at all lol
Kang story is going to continue cause the tva is only pruning kang if they don’t start messing up the timelines
There’s no way Disney would agree to a clause like that. I don’t know why we’re giving that rumor any credence.
I love everything about this plot. Sounds great, I hope they follow up with something like this! Or, if not, I hope they still pull Midnight Suns together.. if not this, than perhaps for the next major arc.
Hi Ryan… Like Deadpool, these timelines confuse me. Wouldn’t Loki essentially take place at or around Avengers 1? That’s when he grabbed the Tesseract, disappeared, and got nabbed by the TVA..
The TVA exists outside of the timelines, they explained that in the series
that is true, but then remember: he was pruned, he spent some time at the End of Time, he time-slipped into the past and future, he was in the 19th century, and he spent centuries studying physics and all these are supposed to fit somewhere around Spiderman NWH. And the story of season 2 seems like it happens on a casual afternoon or so, just accept that time works differently in the TVA
I agree with both of you… what I was really questioning is how/why Ryan puts it as happening at beginning of Phase 4..
@@mcdonciii something happening outside of the established timeline doesn’t mean that time can’t exist there. It just flows differently than time as we experience it
@@wadewilson524Ryan explained it in this video already-- all the other movies /series had MULTIVERSE problems, or had issues that got crazily exacerbated because the Multiverse now thrives, Ryan's point is that a good chunk of Spidey NWH, DS MOM, Antman3 etc wouldn't even have a plot if it was all still just the Sacred Timeline.
There's one problem with your pitch, Ryan; Wanda already destroyed the Darkhold in Multiverse of Madness so Chthon has no hold over other realities. He can't be the new main antagonist of the multiverse saga. This is why it makes more sense for Doctor Doom and his variants to be the main antagonists of the multiverse saga, as the Parliament of Doom would be a big enough threat to fool the Avengers and X-Men to fight each other to save their own universes before the Council of Reeds informs them of the Parliament's lies and uniting them into one group against the Parliament of Doom.
A midknight suns movie, where they have to save loki from cthon, would be amazing!!!
I like the Doug's thoughts on... outtros.
That watcher must have been like gotdamn loki that was cold.
This is starting to feel personal with the Constant attacks on majors
Agreed Killmonger was dope af
Civil War was the movie that got me into the MCU, and I stopped watching shortly after phase 4 went nowhere. Avengers VS X-men would 100% bring me back and get me invested again.
1:24 It looks like Mobius said something that was ambiguous, like his mouth was just out of focus to see if the ADR matched his lips. I bet he said something differently and had to be edited for their episode 5 big change.
So they’re just not going to make kang dynasty anymore? I don’t think Kang is done.
In Disney Avengers Assemble Secret Wars on battleworld Loki helped them defeat the Beyonder 👍👑 he says "I'm an Avenger!!"
Next, Loki just sits there with a look on his face like he just shat himself with dignity.
Keep kang. They should do better
I'm gonna make my own version avenegrs kang dyansty and I'm going to fix kang
Much prefer the informative after the fact or preemptive to the speculation videos.
Time travel ≠ multiverse. It doesn’t make sense that someone time traveled and Peter Parker went from looking like Tom Holland to Andrew Garfield. Time travel didn’t make Strange turn into paint. There are timelines and there are universes. Timelines exist within universes.
Loki becoming avengers prime would be the best thing that has happened in the MCU🎉
super awesome theories Ryan 💯👍👍, this looks very doable AND watchable. heck this could (finally) be where Mesphisto can be used in the MCU (and Mesphisto is certainly a lot easier to say and promote than Chthon). also wasn't there a rumor that Sacha Baron Cohen has been cast as Mephisto? he certainly has the cajones to be the new MCU big bad worthy as a follow up to Josh Brolin's Thanos.
also Loki being Avenger Prime might just be the role that could convince Tom Hiddleston to continue as Loki. I think it's pretty obvious now that it will take a whole lot more to get Tom back because of how well Loki has landed-- Loki is finally settled, has a full arc and is now truly (finally) been ✨Burdened with Glorious Purpose✨. for all intents and purposes he's got the ending he deserves 💚. and speaking of, the same goes with RDJ's Iron Man ❤, not sure how else Tony could feature in the MCU that won't invalidate his beautifully heartbreaking sacrifice just because we need RDJ to put butts back in seats.
These are not Ryan's theories. He clearly states Colton ogburn writes these videos. So you're chapter in the book that you just wrote to Ryan should have been to Colton
If Majors is proven guilty he’s done. There is no debate. There is only a jury. All ye folks giving him props without knowing the full story are hopeless, just as anyone saying he’s definitely out.
Just wait. Be patient. Save your heartache. Let the law take its course and while you wait, go see the Marvels (actually hilarious and full of heart plus kick ass melee scenes) or rewatch WandaVision (wonderful depiction of grief/loss *and* the best music in the MCU, I’ll die on that hill).
Much love, and justice for all.
Doug kinda has a point with kilmonger, if they were to bring him back from what if, maybe he got the infinity stones and broke out?
Dug? Lmfao Doug
15:00 your expectations are too high 😂😂
I've some thoughts about mutans in MCU such as where were they, how they can integrate MCU in a smooth way etc.
I think you'll like some of them.
On deadpool 3, we should see that portal scene as a joke (maybe deadpool was in there and couldn't hear what captain america said (avenger's assemble) and went back with saying "uhhh it's too crowd I don't want to be tired with killing bunch of things, I'm still regenerating phase")
On the other hand, we'd maybe see that real portal scene again from a far further perspective that we didn't see on the screen and by the view of a mutant(s) who joined that last war with Thanos and the consequence of that war they started to create and reform a team called x-men.
Ofc, we're still asking where those mutants and inhumans were while that war was happening. To rationalize it for mutant side, writers may say for 616, Kang knew mutant genes would generate problems for him in the future and he changed 616's mutant's fate forever via changing history. HWR may have killed all the first mutants in the ancient era or he may have created a formula to inhibit their powers.
And writers may tell us, around the phase 1-2-3, there were mutants but they were hiding from people on the Krokoa because the island itself was hiding them from the outside world because of a spesific reason
or He Who Remains went back to past times where prof X became powerful then kidnapped him to TVA, made him walk through the outside of the "X" logo'ed door (time-loom's door) then made him make all mutants forget their powers on 616 timeline (such as prof. X is using cerebra scenes)
Nowadays, after all of these, when Loki destroyed time loom and created Ydrassil, the manipulation of professor X became invalid and now there are mutants in 616 everywhere and they're turning mutants on puberty without forgotten their powers after every show after Loki
and because professor remembers this time loom scenes in his mind, this far tech future machines could be possible so he wants to create his own machine to connect all other mutants, he tries to make it possible. the X logo door, the little bridge and connecting other mutants' life (and calls it cerebro)
Hopefully gud things!
Well, this kind of goes with my theory of the threshold moment HWR noticed in Loki s1 was in fact the Bloodstones kidnapping Ted for their monster hunt. Then suddenly, America Chavez appeared, the realm where the Book was seemed destroyed and like it was then that Chthon could fake the message to Wanda but then limit her view not to the two sons who need her, but some other set that doesn't to force an incursion to let him in. He was banned from this plain and needs help, but the person who actually helped was Dr. Strange. I think its also a way to keep Kang as almost a distraction bad guy that becomes the reason the TVA is attacked because they are too focused. They don't see Chthon coming or any of his sympathizers (such as Nightmare).
How many more videos are y’all milking from Loki ? Screen crush and New Rockstars need to step it up😂
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!! Doug, I won't be mad if you did more closing thoughts :)
People laugh at Kang struggling with a huge swarm of ants -- but these are frickin' man+ sized ants. An ant can lift like 20 times its own weight. Imagine the raw strength of an ant the size of a bull. Each one could lift a delivery truck on its own. Supersoldier ant. Then you send hundreds of them up against one person.
It's no wonder Kang had a tough time dealing with that huge ant swarm.
Hey Ryan! If loki finale took place before quantamania, how did TVA know about earth-616 kang incident? Isn't that suppose to happen later then? Because the TVA we saw was the immediate continuation after Loki took the throne i think!
I watch & love this channel for about more than a year. i know the not-the-bees-meme somehow connects to the mephisto theories... but y? this is a running gag here and i dont get it. :(
can anyone explain? or post a link to the origin video?
I agree with Doug. Killmonger would make a great main antagonist for the Multiverse Saga.
Werewolf by Might spin off is call Human by Day!
I have no idea if this is the storyline of the future Marvel movies but it definitely should be!
Werewolf by night was so gooooood. Want more from Elsa, Manthing and absolutely, the Werewolf
The realities didn't merge at the end of secret wars. Battle world was destroyed after doom admitted that Reed would have been a better god, then molecule man gave Reed and Franklin his power and the recreated the multiverse
question: when Loki season 1 and 2 were happening....what were the celestials doing? Do they exist on a Timeline or outside, outside blackholes or out?
Without the Celestials there wouldn't be any Universes?
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON GODZILLA MINUS ONE thank you :)
Has anyone at Marvel Studios made any official announcement on phasing Kang out completely, or moving away from Majors?
13:28 Brother… I think you really may be on to something here. The center of this page, that's the Falcons Captain America vs Steve's Captain America!! 😯
I hope Kane isn’t over, and I’m definitely with Doug, please bring Erik back!
Loki is the Soul King
Marvel needs you guys in the writer’s room
I'm convinced that Secret Wars.will kick off with Wanda saying, "No More Multiverse," a la House of M. Thus creating Battle World.
No more talk about Dr Doom!! There’s been no build up. It won’t work without years of subtle build up
Exactly!
I don’t get how the ending of Loki with Mobius making that statement has anything to do with shifting from kang. Kang did lose in Quantum Mania nothing mobius said wasn’t true. Unless Marvel was already shifting back then. It doesn’t make sense
Man that’s bad I really liked Kang as a villan.
I'm sorry, but the BEST treatment of multiversal war is JJ Abrams' criminally underrated TV series, Fringe. The writing is solid. Performances by Anna Torv and John Noble are superb (Joshua Jackson? Eh.) The visual language is deep.
If you haven't seen Fringe, you MUST SEE Fringe. (If you have seen Fringe, watch it again.)
I remember some one watching the show early and saying, there was no way Disney can depart from Kang with how Loki 2 ended. But it was the exact opposite.
I feel like Loki would've went thru rewrites and reshoots if that happened which we know there weren't any reshoots for it so that's the ending they had for the show before JM's legal troubles came to light
it's been confirmed everywhere (including Screen Crush) that the original ep5 of Loki S2 "was nuked" meaning it was scrapped and a rewrite had to be done for the whole ep. if you look at ep 5 and 6 carefully you can see where some really good editing was done of existing footage to fit the new narrative. the Majors legal issues first surfaced in March 2023, the SAG AFTRA strike didn't happen until summertime, they certainly had a few more weeks / months to do specific pick up shots to help piece together what we eventually saw as Ep 5 and 6. another proof is that certain central characters like Renslayer, Brad and even Ms Minutes was suddenly an afterthought when they were so big in Eps 1-4. given how proper the Loki series is developed and produced, such glaring mistakes isn't something they would do, and yet here we are.
solid, great counter points didn't even think about the nuked episode tbh..however I still think they won't change or let go of Majors and at least let him finish out this phase but will probably be quickly overtaken by whoever the next big bad is without any lingering questions of variants left behind..my opinions of course@@steelsheen
I hope they don't ruin the introduction of the X-men into the MCU by skipping their origins and just making them a fully developed team from another universe.
I don't think i noticed him saying 616 "adjacent realm".
THIS Loki left his timeline in 2012!!! He left during The Avengers which closed Phase ONE!
So no, Loki does not take place at the beginning of Phase 4.
And if we’re really gonna get trippy, everything AFTER The Avengers, Phases 2-5, would have technically had Loki holding the Multiverse together. Which would have made it impossible to meet He Who Remains and….well, it gets complicated huh
Bottom, major continuity issues here. MAJOR
Once Vegeta gets a redemption like this and my life's complete