The History Of Paiste 2002 Cymbals
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2019
- In this video, I go over the history of Paiste 2002 cymbals and related cymbals in a shortened history sort of format. Paiste 2002 cymbals are at the core of classic rock's sound and are still used very commonly by many drummers today, enjoy!
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The History Of Paiste 2002 Cymbals
Paiste 2002 cymbals are simply iconic, as much as the word iconic is overused in the modern day, if you’re in the drumming world, Paiste 2002 cymbals do warrant being called iconic. When it comes to the history of rock music in particular, it’s hard to imagine the evolution of drum sounds through rock’s golden age without Paiste 2002 cymbals, and I’m going to include Giant Beat and the Rude series within this family of cymbals, one because the 2002 was the original successor to the Giant Beat line, and the Rude line of cymbals was derived from the same type of alloy as the 2002 and Giant Beat, so there is a lineage there. 
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I have a pretty large collection of both Black and Red label 2002, and the thing that's a noticeable difference straight off the rip is the thickness. Black labels are a tiny bit thinner and have a little bit more of a shimmering sound with a quicker decay. Love both red and black equally. Love the Rude Sound Edge hi hats and the 26'' Giant Beat ride too. Paiste makes some incredible cymbals. Thank you for posting this video.
Yeah, I’m considering getting a set of Rude Hihats. I now play Paiste 3000’s and Z new beats. I use the sound edge on the bottom with a new beat on top.
PAISTE has it nailed down. Nobody can touch them. Great video.
2002 Sound Edge Hi-Hat is a classic. Used by John Bonham, Ian Paice and Cozy Powell and many more.
Also the Dimensions line used the 2002 alloy
And they were more affordable and now discontinued.
Red label are thicker, bonzoleum weighted a lot of cymbals and arrived to thar conclusion
Excellent video, man. Educational and straight to the point.
Paiste's PST intro line has a better tone than just about every other cymbal co's pro level cymbals. The 17 2002 SE hats are very nice!!! Paiste makes the best cymbals by far, but they MUST start making the cleaner again!!
Personally, the pst ride is the worst cymbal I have ever heard and played imo. Even a Pearl brand ride that came with the kit sounded god tier in comparison.
you really need to get your eyes checked out
Manufacturers cleaner is nothing but a scam. It's bronze. All you need is a bottle of mustard and a cheap paint brush. Paint it on, let it set for 20 minutes and throw it in the shower. Towel dry.
Very informative video! Great job. Thx.
Can't believe you left out the NOVO China.
there were 10 i was looking at including, that being one of them. i couldn't find the time to film the rest of it unfortunately 😕
Thanks for the ride sounds at the end!
You've covered the History well! Thanks! My money is still on Paiste (and somewhat on Meinl). I just think that these two European companies cover the gamut of sound that a majority of drummers want to hear and explore, with all of the options available! I enjoy reading about the different alloys that Paiste and Meinl use and just how that affects their overall sounds that make them so musically viable!
Great presentation Sean, i enjoyed it. Also your music room looks great, i wish i had the same. Cheers !
Enjoyed the video bro
The black label 2002, which are darker, warmer, and a bit drier, are now the Big Beat Series and feature the Black Logo. The 2002 Series has the Red Logo and are brighter. I have a set of both and the Big Beats are a really great alternative, when you have a gig in a smaller room.
Well done sean..😊
And in the 80's, Paiste attempted to replace the 2002's with the 3000 series. The 3000's were overall heavier, and had an expanded frequency range. Those were some of the nicest cymbals I ever played.
Great job, man ! :) Thanks a lot ! :) I wish you success ! :)
Love the vid man
Dude you hit the nail on the head. I totally believe that as a cymbal ages it's going to darken in tone because I have several red label 2002 from the early 80's and they are definitely much darker than when I 1st bought them. The reason I know for sure is I have recordings of them from back in the day and when I compare the recordings to the sound of them now they sound much much darker. Yes I'm old...lol!!!
That Inferno quote is a Classic as well🤘
I Bought a 15 wild china because of that video.
Well done video.
Thanks for the demo at the end. Nice solid playing.
I've always played Zildjian but Paiste will be my future choice. They seem to just open up better. I bought some 404 high hats (I think) and they sound fantastic. Used $74.99 at guitar center. I was nervous but when I set them up and played them with my big band I was so pleased. Giddy actually. A nice sizzle and excellent chick. Next up, a 16 or 17 inch fast crash.
The difference in sound between the early and newer cymbals is science. The combined metals are separating from one another. The earlier 2002's don't sound the same as when they were new because of the combined metals pulling away or separating from one another. Eventually the metals will separate into different groups. It may take 1,000 years, but it will happen.
Remember Made in Japan, Deep Purple? The best live album ever? Paiste 2002
Thanks for the video. I bought my first 2002 crash in the 80's. Sadly, I never really warmed up to it and favored darker cymbals. I don't know, the near-field sound was harsh, it just sat on top of everything. I felt the overtone made it hard to hear what was going on.
I pulled it out a few years ago while recording and quickly started to realize that I was mistaken. I literally didn't play the thing for 30 years. Sitting on top of a wall of rock and roll is what they are designed to do. They do that better than anything I have played in the last 40 odd years. Since I have purchased the 15" hats and two rides... Great cymbals.
I love my Paiste cymbals, to me they have a clearer ringing sound than Zildjian cymbals that I also find to be a bit thicker in nature, what is good for one drummer isn't the best for another, it's just a matter of taste and what sounds good for the band their played in.
Great vid. I still use a pair of 2002 14” heavy hi hats I got 1982. I’d love to get them re-inked. I also have a 10” Rude splash I bought for $15 brand new, at a small music store near my home. The guy who ran the store must have been desperate for money.
I have a set of modern 15" 2002 Soundedge hats, and my buddy has a pair of 15" black label 2002 Soundedge from 1979. His are far warmer sounding than mine. One noticable difference, is the fact that mine are coated in a clear coat and seem far more orange than his. His are natural finish and appear to have more tin in them. They don't look like they're made of the same alloy at all. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but I find my modern versions less than desirable.
You forgot about Stambul 65s. Those were the first b8 cymbal Paiste made.
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Even the Paiste site says the 2002s were released in 1971, but no ads show up for them until 1974. It seems odd that they'd release a new flagship line and not advertise them to the public.
My 19" 2002 Paiste sounded great but cracked within the first year of purchase. Ive never crack a Zildjian. Bart/VA
900 series is pretty dope
2002 Paiste .. Black-Label .. one of the Best .. Rock - Cymbs...for Funk- Reaggae - Blues .. and Mediums also for Jazz-Funk .. Worldmusic good ...B-Labels .. are older .. sounding darker - smoother .. Red are intenser .. screaming
I love Paiste 2002 GIGA bell 18 black ride.
Good vid! What I know is that the Formula 602 was the first series with Sound edge Hi hats.
Was it the 602's or the Giant Beat? I'll take your word on it. It was the 602's - they've been around longer.
@@bandfromtheband9445 they NEVER made sound edge GB . The GB sound edges out now are 2019 . And yes the first 4 Zeppelin albums are GBs not 2002s
@@natevanslyke7274 were you in the studio? At the end only who was in the studio can say with guarantee which gear Bonham used. There also some rumors that on the first album he used some Zildjians. ;-)
Black Labels are thinner than the red. In the 80s, cymbal companies beefed up the weights bigtime. So that is why Black Labels are warmer.
Hello Sean,
I trying to know about the difference, manufacturing, quality, ect., between Paiste Rude made in west Germany and the ones made in Switzerland... If you know something, let me know please...
Israel, you should contact Paiste directly. Their reps are available online. I've had many conversations about their different alloys with Paiste reps, and they are very helpful and accessible. They would be happy to answer your questions. Just go online to the company, directly.
Thats a cool idea for a video, but could use some deeper digging. The first B8 line was actually the Stambuls, in mid 1960s. They were first made of nickel-silver alloy, but then Paiste developed the B8 bronze and incorporated it in the Stambul line. Then as they gained expirience with it they introduced the Giant Beat line. The first Giant Beats were a bit different than the modern reissue. The originals had different mould shapes and were also a bit heavier than todays counterparts. Like a 24" could be even up to 500g heavier than the modern 24" multi.
As for the 2002s - the black labels were in fact thinner than the red label counterparts. It can range from about 100 to 200g difference on a 20" crash model. I`m speaking from a personal expirience here, not drum forums threads. I guess the reasoning behind the red labels being thicker is that the music kept getting heavier and louder, which led to many young drummers thinking they had to bash the cymbals as hard as they could. That in turn led to breaking, so I guess Paiste decided to buff their cymbals up. It's not just in 2002s, the 80s green label 505 line is also much heavier than the late 70s black label 505s.
Well anyway, I really enjoyed that. Cheers!
This is a load of great information! Thanks for posting this! I love learning about how the alloys have changed, the weights and the shapes have changed throughout the history of every cymbal line! Thanks again!!
The first B8 line was actually Stambul 65. Stambul 65 were always a separate series from Stambul and sold at the same time. Stambul went from NS12 to B8 sometime around 1971 as Stambul 65 and Giant Beat were winding down production.
The same reason Zildjian A line became thicker in the 70’s and 80’s. It took until 2013 until Zildjian revamped the A line and most of them all thinner.
Well the bottom wave isnt always the same, leaned that from Bonzoleum's channel. The new S family is the same mastersound ridges, i have those, b12. Paiste doesnt have as many waves, i hear..
Sean, so is the Paiste Formula 602 on sale now a throwback from the 50's cymbals?
yeah basically! its got a similar alloy to Zildjian's B20, so far many people who prefer Zildjian sounds, 602 might be the closest you'll get to that in Paiste's lineup.
The reason I ask is i want a 18 or 20 inch cymbal for long sustain! Either a Paiste or Zildjian just for my home fun use! I guess I'll go to the Hollywood Guitar Center and try those two cymbals out. Don't know if a Crash or Ride cymbal has more sustain!
@@SeanZetterlund I'm not a drummer as you know but I just want to buy a cymbal and have it my guitar room to just to hit every once in awhile! Much thanks! keep on the great work!!
@ at the end which cymbal you buyed?
When I first started drums...I only could afford drums and my Zildjian 14 inch hi hats.....a few months later, I got a Psiste 2002 16 inch crash and 21 inch rude ride....I was so disappointed I got those for my birthday... Now that I can buy what I want, I still stick with b20 Zildjian cymbals... B20 alloy is naturally darker sounding with a mellower sustain. B8, as well as Paiste makes them just doesn't have the feel and sound I'm looking for.
Well, at the end it is only a question of taste. But to your comment I want write some points: Paiste before the B8 used also B20, first with the Sound Formula 602 cymbals, later with the twenty series (even if produced in Turkey and only finally checket in Switzerland). Maybe your "error" in your youth was to chose 2002 instead of Formula 602. I can also understand your point that you feel better with B20 cymbals and the much darker, warmer sound than a B8. For years - as a Sabian Boy - I chosed the HH serie (played also some Avedis and K's) and played also Rock with them. But we have also to confirm: you can also make with B20 higher sounding cymbals (Avedis or ACustoms...or AA and AAX) and one point is important: Paiste is able to make great sounding cymbals with B8 but Zildjian and Sabian with the B8 - expect some cymbals of the B8Pro series - generally made only worst cymbals. I have to say: for years I played B20 and I always hated Paiste and in great part this 2002 series (the red label was horror for me)... but in the last years, listen to more and more music, more and more cymbals... I am a fan of the 2002 and Paiste and now I am on the point - after more than 35 years - to change my complete setup and switch in big part to Paiste. For the moment I use a 18 black label 2002 crash, and for today I am awaiting a red label thin crash of 2002. I just cannot say how the way will go.
No mention of 2002 Big Beat Black label ?
Agree. The way I see it, the 602's were a "poor-man's 2002's", and the Big Beats are a "poor-man's Zildjian K Constantinople's". I say that due to the similar tone partially as a result of the manufacturing hand-hammered method. I prefer the Big-Beats to the 2002's. Warmer tone, lower pitched, more controlled sound, more shimmer, more versatile. The 2002's are a bit "splashy" for me, if you know what I mean, which is strange since generally the 2002's weigh more than the Big Beats of equivalent size.
@@Corbrwl I agree totally Billy, I just bought a set of Big Beats. They are just music to my ears. I love the Shimmer, with the short decay. I have always liked thinner cymbals, so the combo of thinner and bigger is just a perfect marriage for me. My first love has always be Signature. But these Big Beats seem to fit me like a glove.
God, 602 and b 20 bronze, I bet in the future they keep it a 2002 formula, and ad arsenic for work hardness and darkness
The Formula 602 alloy and the 2002 B20 Bronze work so perfectly together. Paiste have nailed this down!
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I predict they're about to expand their EXTREME CRASHES into Extreme Hi hats, Extreme Ride and maybe Extreme China or Spashes. You heard it here first ;)
I'm happy with my Alpha cymbals.
Zildjian and sabian.b20
More wrist, less arm.
Nice post.
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Cymbals don't sound dark or warm. Those are attributes for color and temperature. Not sound and they definitively don't "sound darker as they age".
whatever... people have been describing cymbals as dark and warm for decades.
@@astrozombie138 - And people know what they mean when exchanging those terms.
Hilarious this guy thinks he can change that.
I'm guessing you play guitar?
LOOSEN UP MAN YOU PLAY VERY STIFF
you are too young to be making this video. You completely missed that 2002 were discontinued and replaced with 1000, 2000, 3000 which were discontinued and 2002 were reissued.