Paiste Cymbals Shootout - Giant Beat vs 2002 vs Big Beat
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- We compare the legendary Paiste 2002 alloy line of cymbals head to head!
Links to purchase the cymbals in this video:
Paiste 2002 Series
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Paiste Giant Beat Cymbal Set 15/20/24 w/ FREE 18
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/CY0000101GS18
Paiste Big Beat Series
Available for purchase here: www.drumcenternh.com/cymbals/...
Drum set used in this video:
Canopus Ash 4pc Rock Drum Set w/ Tom Arm
Available for purchase here: buydru.ms/CANOPUSASHROCK4PC
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Always the best videos out there. I love that you compare everything side by side..Much appreciated!!
Recently sold all my Zildjians. Paiste 2002 now.
Giant Beats for me. That quick attack and deep sustain is just gold for my ears!
Great comparison vid! Youse guys rock!!
I like all the cymbals you just mentioned but the hi-hats were weak.
Koo
Thanks, Ross!
@ Ross gillis, ...you say it, my friend! Thay are realy beatyfull!!! You wride the point!!! Thats why i love thay, good as crash and ride, quick go up and superp systain!!! I play only thin and big cymbuls and so you get thet sound!!! The 2002 if thay thin and big (meen realy thin, vintage thin not modern there is a big different) thay sound similar to the giant beat, but not the same, for me also the giant beat have the tone i love, and the deep pitch with there glasy tone make thay special and can also used in jazz!!! Btw have a 1967 24" giant beat! ...superp! And the stambul and stambul 65 60s (pre serial nr.) b8 cymbuls and all sound beatyfull big and thin! The smalest are 20" and heaviesd are 1900g by 20" 😎 ...thay sound superp and are can be good mixed with the 3 itself (60s giant beat, stambul (b8) and stambul 65 (b8) )!!! ...but must say love also my 50s avedis and my old k's from 50s and 60s (but sadly thay are expensive, but not so rare as so many say!, but realy expensive) ...i get also one of my Favorit set from 60s ufip thin cymbuls 16" hat and 2x 20" crashride and 1x 18" crashride + a 60s avedis 20" crashride and a 70s 18" all "new old stock", never played and never sold 😍
The 20" Giant Beat MULTI is the Gold Standard for a 20" crash.
bonzoleum hey terry!!!!! I think the new 20” Zildjian k sweet crash sounds just like the giant beat 20” multi
@@bryandrums32 Not really, the k sweet crash is drier, thinner, darker, and has no shimmer. At least the one I played.
@@johnnybgoode2333 I feel ya man!
I added a Giant Beat 20" to my set up of 2002 and 3000 rides and crashes because it is exactly how you describe. The Gold standard. And I use it mostly for ride. It has such a great sound and is extremely playable. Music to a drummer's ears.
@@hippolargo8817 I want one,,,,, I wish I never went with Zildjian.... they are so inconsistent
The musicality of these cymbals is amazing! Some of those crashes sounded like they were harmonizing together! Did anyone else hear that?!
That is a great point. These cymbals really do go well together.
Paiste has done that for decades. I remember an article circa 1986 where Robert Paiste said that not only do they try to make cymbals within their respective lines work together, they also try to make cymbals across different lines work together, so if you had, say, some 602s, some 2002s, Giant Beats and Big Beats all in one setup, they would all work together.
Absolutely! That is THE reason why I love these cymbals.
Especially the Giant Beats IMHO-very harmonious set! Love ‘em.👍
I own the 2002's and love them, but those big beats sound amazing as well.
I love the sound of the 2002s they really cut through
Paiste is in my 💗
Same.
nice to hear everything back to back. thanks for putting this together
I'd take the Giant Beat hi hats, the 2002 crash, and a Big Beat ride.
Big Beats! I bought a set from DCP last year and love them. 15, 18, 19,20 ,22. They are great.
There's a complexity to the Big Beats that I don't hear in the others- or ANY other B8 cymbals, really. Very impressive.
Paiste has his own thing going on. I respect that! Kit is gorgeous too! DCP killing it as always!
Thanks, Julian!
Great video as usual Shane, as a Paiste fanatic, a video like this is wonderful to see. Thank you again for being a great ambassador for the world of drumming!!
I've finally transitioned over to Paiste after wanting to for years. The consistency of their cymbals from the top to the bottom is second to none and its an unmistakable sound. I've been using a mixed set of thin and regular weight PST7s as my gigging cymbals and I've had a few people mistake them for 2002s. As usual, excellent video all around. You guys are awesome.
These cymbals come at an excellent price for how good they sound. I was pretty suspect. Any other company gives lemons at this price.
Yes, that's what I thought when I heard the demos of the PST7 set... they sounded to me like a professional set of cymbals! I personally have just a 2002 ride, 22"... amazing.
yep i plan to buy a full set of pst7 series and get multiple weights and then get a full 2002 set so i can run a solid mixture of the best of the bunch and have slight variances for recording multiple tracks also a k custom dark set would be cool but Paiste is number one by far to me
Great video! Shane, amazing to see how good your playing has gotten over the years.
very helpful for understanding the differences and purspose of each line.
Paiste 2002 all the way !! Really like the clear sound that they produce.
I love the 2002 series! They impress me WAY more than anything Zildjian could come up with. There are harmonics in the 2002 series that I just can't find elsewhere, save for some of the Meinl cymbals out of Germany. Both Paiste and Meinl have nailed "glassy" harmonics using whatever those alloys are that they use. Paiste is more musical, more "ringy," much more "present" and pleasant to my ears. They're consistent, too, unlike Zildjians which can be either beautifully unique or bloody terrible depending on which lot you choose. I once had a 19" Zildjian Crash that I absolutely loved, until someone stole it from our studio! So, to each his own - but I'm a Paiste fanatic, fer sher! The 2002 alloy glows red. That's another reason why I love them! And 602's? Don't get me started. I won't shut up about how great the 602 series is.....different alloy, different sound.
@@bandfromtheband9445 notice the same... more Ringy and musical.. and not glassy
Ivan Caldrer I love the sound of that ride bell
@@michaelhicks9396 Absolutely !! I go crazy for the hi hat :)
I agree Ivan! I've used 2002's for decades now, and I won't use another cymbal. It's not that I'm not open-minded, it's just that the 2002's have given me the sounds I've always wanted, with their bright sound, quick attack and decay.
I have the 19” 2002 Big Beat. It has a beautiful sound and is a WORK HORSE!!😃
Brilliant comparison!
Thank you very much for that comparison demo. I watched, then I closed my eyes and listened then I opened my eyes just long enough to see which pair you were
going to do something else and then I closed my eyes again. I'm so happy that I bought Paiste Giant beats in 2001 in Nashville,Tn. Before that in 1998, I bought the same sizes that you are playing today in Paiste 2002's except my ride was a 21". Then in 2001, I bought my Giant Beats. All this time I believed that the best cymbals that
I heard from my favorite drummers of the past were all playing with Giant Beats and after today, I'm thrilled that I still have them and won't change them for any
other brand cymbals. Some day in the future I will buy a new set of my old Zildians. 14" New Beat Hi-Hats, 22" Medium Ride and an 18" and a 20" Medium Crashes again.
Nothing sounds better than the Original Avedus Zildian Cymbals. Screw all of these 50 different types of cymbal names. Simple was and is always the best to me.
Thank you for the Excellent demo. It was great and proved to me what I always knew. My ears never lied to me.
The fact you also reverse the Pan mix when switching camera angles is appreciated... Thanks both for the content as well as the attention to detail!
That shimmering overtone of the 2002 alloy is so beautiful and adds so much life to what ever music it is used for. Just listen too "Hallowed be thy Name" by Iron Maiden for example you can feel that 2002 shimmering.
I learned on a set with standard 2002 cymbals. Ride, a few crashes, and a splash. They were glorious and never have I played with a band who’s drummer had a set they sounded anywhere as good. Stuff is just so expensive.
the canopus kit absolutely kills!
That canopus kit sounds so good, I want to dump my shitty DW kit and get one of these.
Keep an eye out for the Catalina Ash kit from Gretsch. They sound amazing and a 5/6 piece used are as little as $550
@Rex R they are amazing kits live and in the studio snatch them up if you can find it for less than 700 bucks even for a four-piece a three-piece for under $400 is a hell of a deal, what sizes?
@Rex R snatch that kit quickly. And if there's more than one I would absolutely like to purchase one of those if you could let me know where you saw it if it's on reverb or wherever. But like I said if you can get your hands on it for that price get it 🤙
@Rex R bobbydroback@gmail.com
Very nice! I have a 21'' Big Beat and it fits so well with my black label 18'' medium and 20'' medium crashes. So warm.
Those Giant Beat cymbals sound amazing. I never imagined B8 alloy sounding so dark.
2002's have always impressed me how they can cut yet remain very musical. Watching led's Madison square garden dvd growing up I was always impressed how well they could go from keeping up with jimmy's marshall's full tilt to sounding so smooth and bluesy.
Loved this shootout! And that room is beautiful with the angled ceiling.
Glad you liked it!
I’ve never been the biggest fan of 2002s. They serve a purpose and have been huge in popular music history. However, those Big Beats are INCREDIBLE cymbals. I just picked up a 24” Big Beat yesterday and played it during our rehearsals and set this morning and I’m enamored with it. Getting a 19” to pair with it, and probably a 21” in the near future. I use 17” Signature alloy prototype crashes for hats and they blend very well with the Big Beats.
I absolutely love paiste 2002 sound edge hats.They just do it all for me.They have such a clear definition. Paired up with my 18 and 20 thin 602 crashes and a very special 20K custom medium ride.I am really happy.Now if I could get the paiste 22" inch masters swish ,my dream cymbal,oh buddy.!!! Maybe someday.
I personally love the sounds I'm hearing from the Big Beats. To my ear they sound like a Paiste Red label 2002 mixed with a Zildjian K - almost. The brightness is there but they are more complex and dark than the regular 2002s. I would think in a studio mix the Black Label Big Beats would leave a nice mid range area for bass and distorted guitars to occupy.
Great comparison! Would love to see signature and 602 comparisons!
Sweet ash shells! I know we're mostly talking cymbals today but ash is such an underestimated wood. Gretsch had the Catalina Ash kit but discontinued it due to lack of sales. However we can all clearly hear this kit sounds awesome. Thanks for rocking out for us Shane 🥁
I bought a set of each of these and swap them out and mix them up from gig to gig. The only constant in my set up is my 24 inch Giant Beat ride. That thing is a monster with lots of volume and a bell to die for.
Acabei de adquieir um Black Big Beat 21" ... Simplesmente fantastico !!! Realmente funciona como ride e crash maravilhosos !!!!
This is a great video, thank you!
I have a 2002 Big Beat ride and I love it. One thing I will say for anyone looking at the line, is that the bell is pretty small and doesn't cut that great. But like I said, love the cymbal none the less!
Thats what i always liked in Paiste and wnat makes me like them more than other brands: Their large, distinctive, easy reconizable diferent series of cymbals.
I mix them all in my kit.
Great vid as always guys .Thanks!!
I love the 2002 line. Thank you, Stewart Copeland! I can't afford 2002's but thankfully there's the PST 900 series and the PST 8 and 7 series.
Thank you for changing the audio in accordance with the shot. A small detail that goes a long way! :)
Never owned Paiste Cymbals but I had an opportunity to play the Signature line when first introduced and I loved them, especially the ride cymbal. Tough call on the three lines in this video but if I had to pick one it would be the 2002's.
I like the Giant Beats and the 2002 hi hats
I purchased a big beat pack from you a year + ago and love them. I needed more articulation out of the ride so I got the 2002 Alex big ride. Also, I have paired the 18” 20” big beats with a 17” 19” thin 2002. Superb (also from your shop). Lastly, I replace the bottom big beat 15” hat with a meinl 15” extra dry med thin HH bottom (game changer!). Add my 2002 10” splash and 18” 20” nova china and I am locked and loaded. Love the videos.
That sounds like a killer combo.
I'm a tactical sound guy myself. Not afraid to find the right custom fit... I think it's more fun that way.
For me it's the 2002 hats and crashes but with the Giant Beat ride. The Giant Beat ride is really head and shoulders above the other two.
Gotta love Shane and his Disco Flam. Somebody grew up in the eighties!!! Love it!
LOVE my 2002’s. Just to clarify, I use a 14 sound edge hat, 18 and 22 2002, but I mix them with my 10 inch 2002 splash, 17 rude, 16 900 series and the 24 bell ride with a signature China. The brightness really compliments the Bubinga on my Star kit and gives me a lot of tone to play with. Perfect cymbals.
Very insightful video. Thanks!
love how you truly & comprehensively Demonstrate and evaluate the Instruments, and even give your opinions. (Paiste is just Supreme) they are the Masters of specialty and specific Cymbals along with the other Instruments they make, but the Big Beats seem to be nonspecific/variable Cymbals, like older style that have that shudder & feel where you Work them.
Great demo....one of the best really meaningful comparisons I've seen on a while.
Waaay back when I started playing I was all about Paiste. All my drum heroes played them.
When I stopped playing and transitioned in to studio engineering, my tastes changed.
For years I've been into the dark and dry Turkish thing.
Hearing these again brings back memories....it's such a familiar sound.
For me the Big Beats are my overall faves, buy a narrow margin. The ride is gorgeous!. Crashes and hats are perfectly balanced. Darker but still full.
The Giant Beats are REALLY nice cymbals with a classic character. Definitely the lightest/thinnest sounding, but not weak. Love the ride and crashes. Might be my first choice for recording?.
2002s are what they are, with no apologies!.....CRAAAAAAWWWWSSSHH!!!!!. Still great cymbals and fun play, will cut through anything!, but just not my taste anymore.
Love the Traditional series since they sound the most like dark Turkish cymbals. I'll always be a fan of the old Sound Formulas, totally unique cymbals.........and 602s of course
Love, love your groove, man.
great shootout , I have the BB and the GB sets and this is a spot on demo of their sound..partial to the BB's..
I've been using the Paiste Big Beat setup for two years now and I absolutely love those cymbals. They fit in any scenario. Sometimes that 24" is too much, so I'm thinking of buying a 22".
The hats too? (Been using)
How have they gone for you? They seem thin and lack volume. Thanks. 😁
@@Ian_P They are kinda wimpy... The 16's are way nicer sounding (and playing)
If the 24 realy thin, so it sounds deeper and are not so loud!!! Thin cymbul are good for less loudnes!!!
Fantastic video guys! I love all three lines, 2002 being number one for me, Giant Beat as my second choice and Big Beat as my third. I’d like to get all 3 sets eventually haha! 🥁
There is a whole lot to love in this video presentation. I am starting to come to the conclusion that Paiste offers the most diverse range of appealing, high-end lines of cymbals among all cymbal makers. The Signatures, 2002, Big Beat, Giant Beat, and 602 all sound so wonderful in different ways, and that doesn't even cover them all.
I totally love this CannonPuss kit
They all sound great. Shane, I could guess by the smile on your face that you were really digging the 2002s ! 🙂 They’re my favorite line for live performance because they cut and they sparkle. BTW the Canopus kit sounds AMAZING !!!
Awesome video.
I was getting myself equipped with Classic 2002's, while hesitating with those Big beat. Damn, I'm definitely buying BB crashes.
That Giant beat ride though.
Thanks for the awesome video!
I am really liking the giant beats here! I also wanted to buy that big beat ride, beautiful cymbal(s)!
This is the video i've been waiting for! Thanks for doing this head to head comparison. Makes it so much easier to hear the subtleties, which is nice when you're getting ready to shell out some big bucks..so having played them all what was your opinion listening back to the mix?
Depends on the situation - but if it's a modern rock gig, the 2002's are probably coming with.
Great comparison video! I used to use 2002 for a year, but found them to be a little brittle to my ears. Went back to Z, then started using 2002 BB and have never switched back. I love Big Beats and I cannot lie. 15, 18, 19, 20, 24.
Gonna have to say I’m loving the Big Beat series in this recording. That kick drum is blammin’ too!
Just ordered a 24 inch 2002 Big Beat. I'm going to use it as a crash. The 2002 series is amazing, I'm not sure anyone else comes close to PAISTE. Great video.
I’ve been using Zildjian since 90’s, but this cymbals are freaking awesome!
thanks for flipping the sound field depending on the camera shot. Much appreciated
Thanks for noticing! 🙃
@@adamfrost8417 you bet!
All very different. I have all 2002s so I’m biased but I’d say 1st 2002’s 2nd 2002 Big Beat 3rd Giant Beats. I really liked the mellow warmth of the Giant Beats! Great example of how they really sound! Awesome video Shane!
I hit the 20" thin in store years back and ended buying the entire series off that one cymbal. I've purchased a few of the 2002 and big beats aswell.
2002's are by far the loudest and the big beats have quite a short decay. I usually pair my 2002 22" crash with my GB 24" and my big beat 21" with the thin GB crash, depending on where, who and what kind of music I am playing. Always paired with 15" GB hats, incredibly versatile
Thx 4 the comparison. 2002 Heavy HH 14, Paiste Signature Power Crash 20, Paiste Big Beat Crash/Ride 20 and Paiste 2002 Rev Al Ride/Crash 24. Like your Vids and greetings from Frankfurt Germany
We love greetings from Germany! Thanks for watching, cheers.
I like the giant beats and that Canopus kit sounds killer.
Killer demo, as always. Paistes are the best :)
I have always loved Paiste and just recently ordered a Paiste 900 series set. At almost 59 years of age I want to get back into drumming. I think it is most likely because my granddaughter wants to.
2002's for me.. The quintessential Rock cymbal (imo) Big Beat a close second.. Paiste rocks!!
Can we have a comparison between the Masters series, Dark Energy and Formula 602 classic range...
That'd be great!
hint hint......
yes, . Signature Darks are really nice and mellow wonderful cymbals, and Masters are really sweet. 602s are great wheel chocks for your equipment van. Bring one along in case of breakdown to or from a gig
In my humble opinion, it unequivocally goes like this :
1) Giant Beats ( far & away 1st place )
2) Big Beats ( quite the contrast, I know ! Right.)
3) 2002's ( by no means taking away their greatness. )
These are difinetive choice by sounds for me.
Again,
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder.
That being said I have to mention the stark and striking beauty of the drums chosen.
Also, you guys are really impressing me with your Vlog. Really professional job guys.
Kudos to you !
Subscribed !
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I switched to the 2002’s a couple years ago after playing Zildjians for years. It’s a different sound than many are used to but for me there is no going back. I would give the Giant Beats a close second here, and the Big Beats aren’t far off either. All great cymbals. Thanks for this video, great as usual.
markmainchannel Me as well - A Zildjians to 2oo2s. To me the 2oo2s are THE sound of my drum idols that I grew up on: Bonham, Rudd, McBrain, everyone playing hard rock and metal in the 80s... 🤣 They sound perfect in the loud rock band that I play in. Go figure...
2oo2’s for my taste but depending on different situations I could go with either of the other two choices. It’s nice to have choices
Probably sounds weird, but 2002 sound edge hi hats, giant beat 18” and 20” and the 24” big beat is what I would choose. I wonder how they would all sound together.
The crisp hi-hat, the softer touch crashes and the darker wash with the ride?
That would work soo well
Yes! I was thinking the same. Unfortunately a lot more expensive when you buy everything separately :(
I agree with you 100%!!!! That would sound AMAZING!!!
I use 2002 thin crashes with a giant beat ride and they sound great together. They all use the same alloy but machined differently, they're like siblings in a way which is why it works. Only thing is the 2002 hats and heavier 2002 cymbals will noticeably cut through louder than the giant beats and darker big beats. Also signatures blend with these cymbals as well
Big Beats with a 15" sound edge hat and I'm sold
that snare! Sweet Moses!
Todos as três séries da Paiste aoresentadas são excelentes.
E ainda mais quando são apresentadas pelo senhor Shane Kinney !!!
I have all the 2002 (not mediums) from splashes, Crashes, and rides. Gives a great pallet of sounds for grooves to accent specialty. The sound edge HHs are great.
Canopus Drums and Paiste Cymbals! Yayahhhhhhhh!
These videos are the best in the Biz...
Great comparison! I hear more stick definition on the 2002s without the loss of bloom / wash and that trademark shimmer. All sound great and I could have just about any of these in my setup...I lean towards the 2002s but could feather in the Giant Beat hats or crashes.
2002's for me, either ones or all three sets!
I have plenty of cymbale stands all around my drums😊
Paiste 2002 are one of the best cymbal series ever produced. Such an incredible allround sound! Never heard a 2002 cymbal that sounded bad. If I had to choose, My next complete Cymbal Setup would be the 2002 or the Paiste Signature(more expensive)! Alternative is Meinl Byzance - incredible allround Sound as well! By the way: That would be an awesome Video!!! Comparison between the 16" oder 18" crashes of those series. Meinl Byzance vs. Paiste 2002 vs. Paiste Signature vs Zildjian K
Loving the Big Beats. Great tone that is perfect for recording. Hats, for me as a producer, are a per song decision. I generally like the Giant Beats but can think of many sessions where the 2002 might be the way to go.
To be the always hihat, what would be your choice?
Man, I LOVE the versatility of the 2002 (they really cut through)
My 2002's are the best all-round cymbals I've ever owned. Beautiful crisp, clean sound. Paiste B8 cymbals are in a class by themselves.
2002s. They all sound great tho...Paiste rules. Love my 2002 15 SEs, 22 ride, 19 crash and 18 medium.
I could have used this video a couple of years ago when I was trying to decide between a set of Giant Beats or Big Beats. I ultimately went with the Giant Beats but it was a tough call. When crashed they have a great dark wash with a glassy top end sustain that is just lovely. Think of the big crashes on Your Time Is Gonna Come. The 24 GB washes out pretty easily with moderate ride sticking. Maybe the Big Beat has more stick articulation? The 2002 definitely does.
"Your time is gonna come" wasn't recorded with Giant Beats tho
@@pawelmorrison well, then I'm a total dipshit
Wish I would have had this comparison about a year ago
Loving those Giant Beats
Eagerly waiting for the tama star mahogany review
All series sounded fantastic.
I'm a HUGE Zildjian guy. Especially the K line. However... I played my buddies set of 15" 2002 Soundedge and fell in love with the feel. Big hats all the way for this guy now. As far as the sound goes... when I used them to record, they were magical. Honestly the best sounding recorded hats that I've used. Very very pleasant sounding. They just cut very well. I also have to say that I don't like them when I play in a metal/hard rock band. To my ear... they just don't sound right with that style of music at all. I was using them in a straight forward bluesy 70's rock band, and they were awesome with that style.
I just got the 24 inch Big Beat and it is amazing. I also have a 19 and 20 inch regular 2002 crashes and they seem to complement themselves. The Big Beat is a little warmer and I know it's bigger but the sound of the 19 and 20 2002's are more glassy sounding and I love that. The Big Beat offsets that its glassy but warmer. I think the 2002's and the Big Beats make a good combo. I'm thinking about getting a 18 inch a 22 inch Big Beat and I should be good. Just need to figure out the hats not sure about them yet. One thing about these cymbal is they are loud if you want them to be, that 24 inch Big Beat is very loud depending on how you play it. Great video thank you so much for making it!!
Why not see if Paiste (or DCP) could do a 15 Big Beat top, combined w/ a 2oo2 sound edge bottom!
Giant Beat hats, all 3 18" crashes with a 20" Giant Beat, and the 2002 Ride (I'm a 22" guy, but for this purpose) .... those would be my choice. Thanks guys! A Signature vs. Dark Energy shoot out would be awesome as well!
Coming back to this video (because it's so cool) ... I've really taken a liking to the Big Beat sound. 2002 with a touch of warmth I'd say? For me, these 3 series - brightest to warmest would be 2002-GB-BB .... would you guys agree?
Giant beat is the best for me! Very very Classic and natural sound!
agreed, well said.
Can't wait to hear the 26 inch Giant Beat
The 2002 Big Beat definitely have the most complex sound to my ears and the ones I would buy from the three.
Shane layin’ down the monster groove to go with the Big Beats!