Why the First Michael Myers Works, But The Others Don't.

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2022
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  • @mega6836
    @mega6836 Год назад +1059

    Yes! Michaels intelligence sets him apart from the other slashers, he's very methodical and blueprints every kill in his mind before it's done. Especially in the og where he spends the first half just watching the cast from afar, always present. He's an evil genius in 78 and just Jason in every sequel.

    • @nightscout9979
      @nightscout9979 Год назад +68

      Michael indeed carefully planned all of his murders, even doing things like stealing gravestones just to add to the trauma, but didn't Jason do some observing of his own in Friday the 13th Part 2? I recall a hunting trap in Part 3 as well, and that Jason was either shown or implied to have set it.

    • @tobymattana5320
      @tobymattana5320 Год назад

      @@nightscout9979 Jason is a planner too in case u aren't familiar with that or don't remember just not on the level or even near the level of Michael. Michael was mentally ill, Jason was mentally disabled but with intelligent elements to him.

    • @zodius9772
      @zodius9772 Год назад +34

      Jason isn’t as dumb as they make out

    • @cagneybillingsley2165
      @cagneybillingsley2165 Год назад +18

      the first one always works because we don't know the nature of the antagonist

    • @hollyroxy25
      @hollyroxy25 Год назад +32

      I also think Dr. Loomis always set these movies apart from other slashers. He gives it a levity the others don’t have.

  • @paulhoffmann3405
    @paulhoffmann3405 Год назад +213

    What I always liked about the first one, that Michael is also a stalker. He is not just a random killer, he stalks his victims, etc. They dropped the stalking side of him almost immediatly.

    • @ryuno2097
      @ryuno2097 Год назад

      @Judgment Time mmm mm mmm

    • @travzimmerman1340
      @travzimmerman1340 Год назад

      What I hated about the 1st one was Michael, having been in Smith's Grove since the age of 6, driving 4 hours back to Haddonfield 15 years later pre-GPS in a stolen '78 silver Ford LTD wagon with Smiths Grove decals all over it. Then driving around Haddonfield all day/night.
      What was with all the f'ing driving? Oh, and nobody thought to alert the State Troopers of the stolen Ford? If they had the movie would've been over in 15 minutes.

    • @-_deploy_-
      @-_deploy_- Год назад +4

      ​@@travzimmerman1340 he was trying to understand how he could use the City on his advantage. He wanted to know the terrain.

    • @tgriffin3059
      @tgriffin3059 9 месяцев назад +1

      Parts 2 and 4 retained this trait. The stalking and death of the hefty security guard in 2 was a 5 minute segment. One of the strongest parts of 4 was when the group barricaded themselves in the house, but Michael was already inside with them. Halloween 5 not only utilized this approach, but took it to the level of an art form(the barn sequence, alone, is TWELVE minutes in duration). 5's stalking scenes equal or slightly EXCEED those of the '78 original. Over the years, the emphasis shifted dramatically, but that happened mostly at the time of Resurrection and thereafter.

    • @tgriffin3059
      @tgriffin3059 9 месяцев назад +4

      @@travzimmerman1340 So you're saying that back in the 70's, cops consistently located stolen vehicles within 24 hours? Hell, even if Michael HAD pulled over, he'd have simply killed the cop who stopped him.

  • @killergrooves2438
    @killergrooves2438 Год назад +39

    One thing I noticed recently is that he was basically building a spook house the entire movie. He steals the grave’s headstone and mask and sets up the bodies in a way intended to scare. The way he murders the teens is in a way to elicit a jump scare as if he’s jumping out of the dark and shouting “Boo!” the way a kid would. Then he takes those dead bodies and makes them into an attraction in this haunted house that he’s created in order to scare Laurie. Then when she’s sufficiently scared and runs away, it’s time for Michael to kill her.

  • @JordanfromOhio
    @JordanfromOhio Год назад +513

    Great analysis. However I would have to add that in Halloween 4 he did do a considerable amount of planning as well. He took the phone lines out, the power to the entire town, the 911 dispatchers and officers at the station, to set up the entire rest of his plan. What seems like random occurrences are carefully planned events that allow him to roam free the rest of the movie free from any major threats.
    One of the reasons I love Halloween 4 so much. Think it would have been better received if it had a high quality mask!!!

    • @joshua89898989
      @joshua89898989 Год назад +22

      I wonder if they could just add the original mask into the film with cgi kind of like de aging affects now a days

    • @locomotivesteam9334
      @locomotivesteam9334 Год назад +44

      The H4 mask is ok, it's not a great mask but it's also not as bad as alot of people say it is.

    • @teddyharvester
      @teddyharvester Год назад +55

      ​@@locomotivesteam9334 In my head the mask in 4 is a part of the worldbuilding. It's brand new, taken from the store, not worn in yet. And It's obviously a cheaper quality mask in its own right, because it's been 10 years, so manufacturers stopped putting as much effort. It's almost unintentionally meta in a way.

    • @helterskelter2274
      @helterskelter2274 Год назад +8

      Halloween 4 is my favourite.

    • @joshua89898989
      @joshua89898989 Год назад +8

      @@helterskelter2274
      Good film just wish mask was better done

  • @persistentlypathetic6820
    @persistentlypathetic6820 Год назад +261

    I think Michael was at his best in the 2nd Halloween(1981) he seemed more cold, more determined, less patient. I think Dick Warlock did a fantastic job reinventing the character

    • @swagsukeuchiha7599
      @swagsukeuchiha7599 Год назад +24

      Halloween ii mike was in some ways better than halloween i mike. He is sneaky but more determined

    • @persistentlypathetic6820
      @persistentlypathetic6820 Год назад +2

      @@swagsukeuchiha7599 agreed 100%

    • @jackprescott9652
      @jackprescott9652 Год назад +17

      I prefer the original. Dick Warlock moves were to rough. Even his head was to round for the mask. But i think he`s the second best after the original.

    • @swagsukeuchiha7599
      @swagsukeuchiha7599 Год назад

      @@jackprescott9652 i like the look of dick warlocks mask better than nicks.

    • @ferox965
      @ferox965 Год назад +13

      @@jackprescott9652 My theory is that he moves differently in the second one because he was shot and injured.

  • @johnnygrunge477
    @johnnygrunge477 Год назад +78

    I've been a horror fan for almost all my life and have been a massive subscriber to the 'Laurie is Michael's sister' aspect of Halloween.
    But this video, after seeing and enjoying the new trilogy but kinda being bugged by the she's his sister omission from the story, genuinely changed my mind on that when you explained how Michael methodically and meticulously plans out everything so that he gets everyone in one go.
    Because that just means that Laurie has only been Michael's obsession all these years not because she's his sister and he's got a blood-lust strong enough to kill what's left of his family, but she was just a babysitter who managed to escape him, a man who was deemed by a long time doctor to be just pure evil.
    Makes the first film even scarier because it makes you see it through Lumis' eyes, Michael genuinely didn't have any motive or reason to do what he did in the first film other than he just felt like it

  • @markchavarria5187
    @markchavarria5187 Год назад +221

    This is what I’ve been saying all along! This is why he is superior to all the other slasher characters. His “inhumane patience” for 15 years to pull this off was executed with effortless precision. That is what is truly frightening about him.

  • @manniken.
    @manniken. Год назад +58

    This really helps to understand why the sequels aren't as scary

    • @kainkong274
      @kainkong274 7 месяцев назад

      2 is pretty creepy

  • @wolfpackleader2752
    @wolfpackleader2752 Год назад +282

    It's the fact that every movie has a Michael that goes straight into the killing, very little stalking and hiding in creepy areas. Halloween 1978 has very little kills because Michael took his time. If they ever do another one, I want a slow Halloween movie like the original. They could have done that with Halloween Ends since Michael is weaker but they totally missed that opportunity. Also I miss when Michael would get hurt(seemingly to be defeated) then get back up to scare his victim. It was creepy and it works well. The trailer for Halloween Ends where Michael can be seen in the background putting on his mask again made me believe Laurie seemingly defeated Michael and removed his mask as way to say, "I won!" to Michael only to get back up again and go another round. Missed opportunities.

    • @bl5533
      @bl5533 Год назад +15

      To be fair to those Michaels, H2 had plenty of stalking and looming around michael as well as some H5 and H6 (but I agree not to the subtly and degree of H1 and H2 michael) H20 and HR and the Rob Zombie remakes didn’t really have that I agree, but 2018 showed some of it when he walked into the houses and on the streets, and Ends had Michael creeping around the house a bit before he went in and showed Corey what no neck feels like. Also maybe in Kills although offscreen, cuz he was probably eying those kids with the masks for a while but I will agree that I want a movie showing it similar to how H1 showed it and not just short or offscreen stalking moments.

    • @filthycasual8187
      @filthycasual8187 Год назад +9

      @@bl5533 Honestly, I think the reason he just goes right for it in 2018, Kills, and Ends, is because he knows he's old and he's lost a lot of time in Smith's Grove. He wants to capitalize on 40 years of not having killed anyone.

    • @tobymattana5320
      @tobymattana5320 Год назад

      Well, I plan on making a Halloween movie which is a sequel to 78 which mainly focuses on everything in the original but the rest of the movies combined other than 3. However only doing things appropriately.

    • @flightofthebumblebee9529
      @flightofthebumblebee9529 Год назад +6

      Even the ending of the original is perfect. It never needed a sequel.

    • @takerfan4ever
      @takerfan4ever Год назад

      Halloween 4 is ridiculously underrated.. he was definitely at his best in that movie. The pacing for that movie was perfect too.. not too slow.. or too fast.

  • @InShaneMedia
    @InShaneMedia Год назад +89

    The original Halloween is my Is favorite horror movie of all time.. But James Jude Courtney is hands down my favorite Michael even if the movies around him aren't up to par.

    • @yungblade7
      @yungblade7 Год назад +8

      He is Michael as far I'm concerned

    • @LA_HA
      @LA_HA Год назад +3

      @@yungblade7 Airon Armstrong, aka Flashback Myers, is just as good, in my opinion. But, I generally like almost all the Myers. I even like the ones most fans don't - Durand and Loree. They're really good

    • @Mark-db1ok
      @Mark-db1ok Месяц назад

      Just one short year later here, 🙂 but I totally agree: JJC has absolutely taken over Michael Meyers with his work in that trilogy.
      I also agree about Airon Armstrong... I think he was HIGHLY underrated as young Michael. In a very divisive movie, the flashback was the only thing everyone seemed to love. And he was the star of the flashback.

  • @nickmandl
    @nickmandl Год назад +38

    I’ve always felt that sequels only do a disservice to the original Halloween, particularly the way it ended. Shots of the town, Michael still breathing Bc he has transcended humanity, he is no longer a man who can be killed. He could be anywhere and everywhere and nothing will ever stop him Bc he’s the boogeyman. Pretty lame to turn around and be like “yeah it’s weird how he disappeared that night but we just found him around the corner and locked him back up”

    • @kainkong274
      @kainkong274 7 месяцев назад

      Halloween 2018 and Kills r a huge service and is respectful towards the original…so no

    • @nickmandl
      @nickmandl 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@kainkong274 incorrect, sorry bud

    • @mrskinszszs
      @mrskinszszs Месяц назад

      ​@@kainkong274no

  • @flixsymmetry
    @flixsymmetry Год назад +45

    Nice analysis. The original also worked because at the time, he was simply an escaped mental patient who returned to his hometown and decided to stalk the first few people he saw. Of course as the film went on, they built the supernatural force into the storyline. But when this came out, it was the only one of its kind. I was 11 and it was the talk of my friends because it felt like it could happen.

  • @_scabs6669
    @_scabs6669 Год назад +22

    Michael also had heart in the first one. The way he hides his face, watches the girls but never speaks, and disappears before they can interact with him -- there is a certain shyness in him. The terrified killer

    • @willcooper1112
      @willcooper1112 Год назад +9

      Also interesting to note he was only 21 in the original

    • @_scabs6669
      @_scabs6669 Год назад +2

      @@willcooper1112 the original incel

    • @DX-FAN1352
      @DX-FAN1352 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@willcooper1112But the end credits credited him as 23 for some weird ass reason

    • @pinkdivadb
      @pinkdivadb 5 дней назад +1

      Your mind is huge. He literally is shy...

  • @thewhitewolf7886
    @thewhitewolf7886 Год назад +19

    He's a slick, playful, deranged, spooky and stalking menace that looks like he could be anyone in a mask. Making him a hulk type doesn't work for me.

  • @marcusosuna687
    @marcusosuna687 Год назад +8

    The first MM works because John Carpenter had no intention of MM being the face of the franchise Halloween. He wanted nothing to do with MM after the first movie. Universal fucked it up for everyone as they insisted on making a sequel before they handed Carpenter the keys to the movie The Thing. Halloween was supposed to be an anthology like Creepshow with different stories for each release.

  • @Treblaine
    @Treblaine Год назад +10

    "All these pesky kids took was a mask, rope, knives, duct tape, pliers, a book on taxidermy, a can of gasoline, and a single match. Clearly nothing to worry about and obviously unrelated to that escaped psychotic killer."

    • @SeetherFan666
      @SeetherFan666 3 месяца назад

      What?

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 3 месяца назад

      ​@@SeetherFan666 I'm making fun of how clueless the police are to think these stolen items aren't suspicious.

  • @memegalodon4522
    @memegalodon4522 Год назад +8

    In 2018 he plotted a lot as well, leading Ray to his death, leaving a blood trails and misdirecting Laurie with Ray’s body. There’s a few other examples but those are the ones that stand out to me.

    • @jimthar17
      @jimthar17 Год назад +6

      Using the mannequins as cover and waiting to strike.

    • @memegalodon4522
      @memegalodon4522 Год назад +4

      @@jimthar17 Yessir.

    • @Blast2224
      @Blast2224 Год назад +2

      He also made sure to kill the mechanic and manager of the gas station so the podcasters wouldn’t be discovered until well after he was nearly in Haddonfield.
      He toyed with Julian first to lower Vicky’s guard before using her death as bait for Dave.
      He had patience with killing Oscar, using the motion sensors to freak him out first before impaling him.

  • @The_Platinum_Realist
    @The_Platinum_Realist Год назад +133

    I felt that Halloween 2018 captured this aspect of Michael pretty well.

    • @tobymattana5320
      @tobymattana5320 Год назад +24

      H2, H4, H18, H20 yes, in order. H2 and H4, especially H4 captured the best suspense as Michael. I've been studying all movies closely because i'm making a Halloween movie myself which is a sequel to 78. The plan is to answer all the questions of the original. All of the questions of Michael other than his backstory, and the franchise itself. Essentially combining all the movies in one except H3; wouldn't make sense. Nonetheless, doing things appropriate. Thinking about having the movie be 3 hrs. This should tell you somewhat of the path i'm going.

    • @mrunderhill40
      @mrunderhill40 Год назад +10

      @@tobymattana5320 For the love of god no! No more remakes, just let the franchise die.

    • @geneanthony3421
      @geneanthony3421 Год назад +7

      @@tobymattana5320 unless you’re getting paid to do a sequel why not just make a Michael Myers inspired franchise with a new killer and backstory. There’s really not too many of these made oddly with Terrifier being one (but is far more of a gore movie).

    • @MrRobjs83
      @MrRobjs83 Год назад

      Yes

    • @mrskinszszs
      @mrskinszszs Год назад +10

      Eh not really. He's still just Jason in a myers mask

  • @WickerSticksSinema
    @WickerSticksSinema Год назад +30

    I agree. I would say that at least in Halloween 4 Michael seem to have a strategic plan. For instance how he took out the power in the town then eliminated the police officers. Yes it’s over the top but it did show that he had a bit of A calculating and tactical side to him.

  • @tortugadave8765
    @tortugadave8765 Год назад +4

    He was pretty methodical at the hospital. Every kill was at the very least planned, but since he was already hurt from the previous movie's shenanigans he just wasn't as patient. He isolated the couple, turned up the hot tub water knowing one would come back to lower it, isolated the security guard and slashed the car tires as well as take out the gas from them.

  • @chevken1831
    @chevken1831 Год назад +3

    If they had never turned it into a franchise, it would be one of the scariest movies ever made.

  • @bggsz4
    @bggsz4 Год назад +5

    While i do love the new movies, it always still bothered me how the Blumhouse Michael followed in the sequels' footsteps, being this 6'2" bulking powerhouse making smashing heads looking like horseplay. There was beauty to Michael being so average yet menacing in 1978, as well as having realistic strength for his kills, i mean if he wasn't wearing a mask he would blend in if he was in a crowd, the other Michaels would all stand out and that kind of ruins his aesthetic.

  • @georgekostaras
    @georgekostaras Год назад +5

    It's also worth pointing out that the first Halloween has a ton of tension building to it.

  • @BasementDweller_
    @BasementDweller_ Год назад +8

    Halloween 2018/Kills also works. It’s the closest to the original film. Movements, stalking, the way it kills, and how it plays with the dead bodies like in the original.

    • @kainkong274
      @kainkong274 7 месяцев назад

      EXACTLY

    • @Chi-Drumming
      @Chi-Drumming 4 месяца назад

      Too bad the story isn't good for those movies

    • @kainkong274
      @kainkong274 4 месяца назад

      They r tho

    • @amilcarmusah4218
      @amilcarmusah4218 Месяц назад

      There was no stalking in these films, they had a demented old man who wanders aimlessly around killing random people. They have so reduced the character of Myers in the new reboot to senseless murders that we are literally shown how an adult Michael Myers surrenders to the police, and how he gives up chasing Lindsay, just falling behind her, lol) If there is one thing these films are true to the original, it is that they elevate all its flaws to the degree of infinity (the stupid and illogical behavior of the victims, huge plot holes that no one cares about) The only movie of the new trilogy that I liked is Halloween Ends.

  • @anthonyaycock1720
    @anthonyaycock1720 Год назад +15

    You're right in distinguishing Michael from Jason and other killers by pointing out Michael's cunning in the original movie. However, I disagree that this cunning isn't present in the sequels. Others have commented on this in Halloween IV. In Halloween V, Michael kills Tina's boyfriend, then dons that boyfriend's mask to impersonate him while driving Tina to the party. In H2O, he drives the stolen car to Hillcrest's security checkpoint and abandons it, which lures Ronny (LL Cool J) away from the guardhouse. While Ronny examines the car, Michael walks right behind him onto the school grounds. Earlier in the film, he tricks Marion out of her house, then slips inside to await her return, so he can kill her. He also skillfully separates Josh and his friends from their party, in order to kill them individually. In Halloween Kills, he does the same thing, separating Big John and Little John to kill them individually. Bottom line: while Michael is definitely more brutal in successive movies, he doesn't lose his cunning and treachery in the process.

    • @greenman5229
      @greenman5229 Год назад +1

      H4 has no subtly. And that is why it doesn't work for me.
      Everything is rampant up 10x.
      Taking out the power of a house? Nah take out the power for the whole city.

    • @amilcarmusah4218
      @amilcarmusah4218 Месяц назад

      Actually, he didn't separate Big John and Little John, they separated themselves🤷 Because there is such a cliche.

    • @thomasffrench3639
      @thomasffrench3639 Месяц назад

      Well yeah Jason is a different character than Michael, so of course he would have a different style of killing. And most killers in other slashers can speak so they would also be different from Michael.

  • @Aviator-Chicken
    @Aviator-Chicken Год назад +13

    The thing that every film has missed out on his Michael stalking his victims. He is THE Shape. He watches from the bushes, the clothes lines etc. Waiting for the perfect moment. Every other interpretation has been Jason with a Shatner mask.

    • @thenoirknight5729
      @thenoirknight5729 Год назад +1

      That last sentence. No. Not true

    • @Aviator-Chicken
      @Aviator-Chicken Год назад +1

      @@thenoirknight5729 IMHO I think it’s very valid. Every later movie is obsessed with blood and kill counts. And while those things aren’t bad at all it’s just that there is a very different distinction between the first Halloween movie and the other 12 films.
      Michael in the OG stalked Laurie the whole movie. He only killed Annie and Lynda to mess with Laurie and lure her out of the house. It was very much a game of cat and mouse to him. While in the later movies every victim is killed as soon as he sees them.
      There may be a scene with stalking but it isn’t the entire movie.

  • @DLFLux
    @DLFLux Год назад +2

    You could argue this with the second film to a lesser extent too, he took out all the cars in the parking lot so nobody escape

  • @vardenlongraf4688
    @vardenlongraf4688 Год назад +2

    That’s why I only like the original one, because Michael was more of a stalker and only had to kill four in the original movie. Still he kept the whole movie suspenseful by his plotting patience and his skills

  • @Hats502
    @Hats502 Год назад +4

    The thing that made Michael frightening is that you never knew when he’d finally strike. You just know he’s there somewhere

  • @catchcan221
    @catchcan221 Год назад +4

    He’s pretty intelligent and plans his kills well in Halloween II as well.

  • @andnew1335
    @andnew1335 Год назад +3

    He’s shouldn’t be punished for his efficiency. He’s payed by the outcome not hour. In the first movie, Michael had just escaped and was fresh to the killing game. In the sequels, he became more confident and efficient with getting straight to the POINT 🔪 and getting the job done. Why put planning when it comes second nature being a seasoned veteran. He’s adapted to his powers and thinking in the sequels.

  • @rossmunley6489
    @rossmunley6489 Год назад +2

    I recommend the Stefan Hutchinson Halloween comics, he is portrayed far more scarier there then he is in the sequels, being a trickster who methodically stalks and terrifies his targets from afar before moving In for the kill.

  • @justin3415
    @justin3415 Год назад +12

    I agree for most part.but part two is up there, it is a solid film and a perfect ending.And as a kid who spent many nights in a hospital almost passing away,it still freaks me out.Also part 4 was pretty solid too.

  • @sgillman16
    @sgillman16 Год назад +13

    He does this in Halloween 4 as well. He plans that movie out even better imo

    • @raddderz
      @raddderz Год назад +2

      That's why halloween 4 is my 2nd favorite movie in the franchise with the original being #1

    • @shotgunblues627
      @shotgunblues627 Год назад

      The writers planned the movie out... not the fictional killer in it. Wowzers.

  • @semperconstance
    @semperconstance Год назад +10

    Great work here. For most people, the original Halloween "just works", but they can't really articulate why. This manages to capture it in just enough detail to make the point clearly and succinctly. This should be required watching for future sequel writers.

  • @garouthetiktokinfluencerhu9731
    @garouthetiktokinfluencerhu9731 Год назад +7

    It would have been neat to see the anthology concept continue after Halloween lll. A lot of people hated it but I thought it was very entertaining.

    • @rawheadrex1972
      @rawheadrex1972 Год назад +3

      IMO Halloween 3 should’ve been Halloween 2. Start the anthology right then as planned, instead of giving in and churning out a Michael sequel. I’ll bet we’d have gotten some great Halloween movies and stories throughout the years.

    • @lutho7693
      @lutho7693 Год назад +1

      @@rawheadrex1972
      100% agree, they could have continued the Michael Myers time line with the 8th, or 11th movie as a "special surprise" Movie for the anthology and then move on as normal, you know what I mean?

  • @jaded9234
    @jaded9234 Год назад +2

    I'd say Halloween 2 has an excuse since it takes place directly after the previous film. In a way, Halloween 1 was the "planning" stage which Michael originally expected to be the only one he needed. By the time they're at the hospital, he realizes that he's been completely found out and can't rely so much on his more subtle approach. Since that is the case, he decides it is time to drop all pretense and let those there know without a doubt that they're dealing with something beyond an extremely durable human. I love Halloween 2.

  • @WadeWallenstein
    @WadeWallenstein Год назад +25

    Brilliant! This film, 2 and 4 are the core of the Michael Meyers character in my opinion. Methodical planning, brutal kills then back to the shadows so you never know when he will strike next.

    • @yeeyeebubba1885
      @yeeyeebubba1885 Год назад +3

      2018 as well, just wish they focused more on his stalking since it was in the film it just wouldn’t be revealed until the kills were close to happening

  • @jimmy999x9
    @jimmy999x9 Год назад +37

    You have to remember after Halloween and H2, everyone knows his routine. So he has to modify his approach. You can't do the same gag twice!!

  • @krantanos5444
    @krantanos5444 Год назад +3

    i think what makes the first movie so good is because no one really knows michael yet and what he is capable of, but in all the other movies everybody in haddonfield knows what michael has done in ‘78

    • @tortugadave8765
      @tortugadave8765 Год назад +1

      Yes and no, H2 was the next night and a lot of people didn't know what had happened or had just caught up on it, while H20 is 20 years later and most had moved on.

  • @watertommyz
    @watertommyz Год назад +2

    It was so obvious Michael knew what he was doing in the first film, and was thriving on messing with his victims.
    Hell, one of the creepier scenes is when he stops the car in the middle of the street. In broad daylight...and Laurie, rightfully was freaked out by it, while everyone else wasn't and just thought it was some jerk.
    Michael was also mocking his victims. Look at his "Bob" outfit, and when you included the tombstone.
    The other movies just did not give him the same agency, or subtlety.

  • @q.h.s5051
    @q.h.s5051 Год назад +8

    I’d argue the only time Michael wasn’t a smart hunter was in Halloween 5, H20, Resurrection, and the RZ films.
    Even in Halloween Ends he had his moment of stalking when Corey and he killed the doctors. Not saying you’re wrong but Michael being a smart killer has nearly always been his shtick and it’s why we love him

    • @FredCracklin
      @FredCracklin Год назад +1

      I'd say the only times he actually showed real on the fly smarts and planning were in 1, 2, 4, 6, and surprisingly Resurrection (with a few hiccups like getting caught in the snare in the opening segment).

  • @freddieknapp9337
    @freddieknapp9337 Год назад +2

    rewatching the original Halloween i forgot about Michaels humor - who can forget when he had the bedsheet on his head lol

  • @noah.45
    @noah.45 Год назад +6

    My favorite Myers has to be Halloween Kills Myers, he was ruthless.

    • @takerfan4ever
      @takerfan4ever Год назад +1

      Mine is 4.. he was ruthless but was also the most unstoppable he'd ever been

  • @kevincanales6654
    @kevincanales6654 Год назад +3

    Dude, you made great points. I could never quite put my finger on why the first worked and the others didn’t. Great video.

  • @scp-507
    @scp-507 8 месяцев назад +1

    You’ll be saying he isn’t smart in the other ones when in part four he deliberately cut off the town’s power supply so that nobody could call for help.

  • @boneman9751
    @boneman9751 Год назад +2

    I’ve thought about this too and I’ve always compared Micheal to Jason and how their methods vary.
    I also believe that the 2 things that can kill a horror movie is absurdity and lack of uniqueness. Something I feel both Jason and Micheal have kept walking towards.
    Just as Micheal uses cunning as you’ve talked about, Jason is resourceful. This is a man who survived on his own while out in the woods. This is reflected by him taking things from the people he kills, using bear traps he finds, throwing knives, a bow, ect. Micheal almost seems to preplan everything while Jason is able to jump from kill to kill to kill with only the tools he has at any given moment. Jason gets more effective the more he kills and not in some “transcending evil” type bs, he just gains more tools. Part 6 is an amazing example and even gets laughed at because Jason acts like a hoarder with all the stuff he collects.
    This extends to the way he kills, brutal and efficient. Like in part 8 with the infamous kill where he punches a man’s head off. On the other hand, Micheal’s are slow and agonizing like when he pinned a man up against a wall by slowly pushing in the knife.
    Simply defining how these behemoths go about their sprees characterizes them so make them distinct and memorable. Micheal for the reasons you’ve talked about and Jason for the reasons I have.
    But without that, it’s just another slasher. Like DPS said: “formula: take a big man, throw him in a mask and task him with killin massive masses, quick.” Jason was killed by absurdity. Each new movie became more and more mind numbing weird. He was a zombie who fought a psychic before drowning in toxic waste under New York and later was sent to hell and then went to space. Micheal lost his distinctiveness, becoming just another “big man in the mask.”

  • @flightofthebumblebee9529
    @flightofthebumblebee9529 Год назад +8

    As much as I loved this series, I admit fully that John Carpenter's Halloween is definitely best as a stand alone film.

  • @bigdude7761
    @bigdude7761 Год назад +7

    Yup 100% Correct. The 1st Shape was a smart killer...gave more credence to when Loomis was calling him pure evil. For a guy that was shut away for most of his live he sure knew how to stalk people efficiently ...also driving a car too which we are too assume was his first time. The entire supernatural aspect can also play into this as well.

    • @tobymattana5320
      @tobymattana5320 Год назад +1

      Yep and I don't see how his backstory; how he became supernatural could ever be explained. A once normal boy who eventually snaps and kills his sister. Goes into a mental asylum with this weird behavior and does nothing but stare into a wall. Months ago, I said it could've been him silently selling his soul to the devil however I think that's corny. Looking at everything, I think the best way to describe it is him becoming so focused on evil & malevolence that he just cannot die or giving him a supernatural edge which allows him by each kill to transcend. I'll go with the second part it's more interesting and likely the best logic as to why he's the way he is.

    • @rudyrosasjl
      @rudyrosasjl 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@tobymattana5320read the novelization for the first movie.....it has a backstory on Myers and gives a loose explanation.

    • @tobymattana5320
      @tobymattana5320 7 месяцев назад

      I already have, & my new take in Michael's backstory is now: 1 of his ancestors played a major part in Samhain. Which is why he's half-human, half-supernatural & transcends with each kill & happens to be 1 of the rare relatives in his family to have this condition.
      Do you have a better explanation? Maybe we can figure this shit out together in a logical way lol.
      At first I was thinking, hmm..maybe Michael could be the grandson of Samhain but then I thought "isn't Samhain a deity?" looked it up just in case & he indeed was/is lol.
      Then I was like maybe Samhain is a incubus & impregnated Mike's mother by possessing his father. I felt like that was corny tho as well.@@rudyrosasjl

    • @tobymattana5320
      @tobymattana5320 7 месяцев назад

      What's your take on my last msg?@@rudyrosasjl

  • @giraffeclone8212
    @giraffeclone8212 Год назад +1

    Thank you for not making this video like 20 minutes long. Very brief and to the point, as it should be

  • @maestroubriaco
    @maestroubriaco Год назад +1

    In two words: the atmosphere and the tension.

  • @davares
    @davares Год назад +2

    "I have not seen Halloween Ends yet"
    yea you shouldn't

  • @jl-fy3zj
    @jl-fy3zj Год назад +2

    In all fairness, in Halloween 2 Michael's presence was known and he was being pursued so it probably wasn't as easy to take his time to plan out traps since the hospital was new territory of which he had no reconnaissance.

  • @JagGentlemann
    @JagGentlemann Год назад +1

    The stalking from the first movie is what makes my love it so much. I find it very funny. You take that out and you end up with just a decent slasher.

  • @craftingranger7552
    @craftingranger7552 Год назад +3

    I think he works in 2018, kills he's clearing acting out like a wounded or cornered animal after what happened with Laurie and Ends was great direction to take him in but I can understand why some didn't like it.

  • @StraightEdgeJunkie
    @StraightEdgeJunkie Год назад +1

    To me, it’s always just been the fact that Michael didn’t have a motivation in the first movie, which dehumanizes him and makes him scarier. Any kind of a motivation makes him more human, and less of a sheer force of evil.

  • @jringo45acp
    @jringo45acp Год назад +2

    I'll keep watching Halloween movies for as long as they keep making them... no matter how stupid of cheesy they get.

  • @tnpsmaster6296
    @tnpsmaster6296 Год назад +2

    H20 Michael is able to get into a gated community undetected and uses his surrounding for alot of stealth and strategy. H20 also let's him be smart

  • @thisshyboy
    @thisshyboy Год назад +1

    What a phenomenal video essay. The thesis and supporting summarizations are so laser focussed and fleshed out. Bravo! Stunning work that will undoubtedly lend its help to me in better illustrating the tactful, purposeful, and methodical killer I’ve always seen in 1978’s incarnation of Michael.

  • @OceanSoul1969
    @OceanSoul1969 Год назад +3

    Agree 100%. I still watch some of the sequels but Halloween 1978 is the only one I must watch every year.
    One question for everyone, Michael had the mask in the morning when Laurie is going to school. Yet the police are investigating the alarm and the break in at the hardware store that afternoon after school. I always thought that scene was majorly out of place.

  • @systemmonitor5295
    @systemmonitor5295 Год назад +1

    It's as simple as this. In the original film, he really is playing an elaborate game of trick or treat. The whole rigged-up Wallace household is a sinister practical joke. It's only when Michael gets back to Tommy Doyle's house that he resorts to the Jason-style hunt and kill method.

  • @youngjordyn55
    @youngjordyn55 Год назад +4

    This is going to perform well. Wonderfully edited good job

  • @DX-FAN1352
    @DX-FAN1352 8 месяцев назад +1

    Dick Warlock was the literal embodiment of Loomis said about him.

  • @mikesterling688
    @mikesterling688 Год назад +2

    I don't care what you say, I like the sequels. As he gets older, he feels more invincible & also doesn't give a shit so why not be more ruthless & not plan so much. Makes sense to me.

  • @aaronnjojorockout3152
    @aaronnjojorockout3152 Год назад +1

    100 percent correct and we go see the new ones to see if they can recapture the first ones brilliance but it never even comes close

  • @CringeOpinion
    @CringeOpinion Год назад +3

    I hope you keep doing videos like these. They are very enjoyable and I’d love to see more!

  • @takerfan4ever
    @takerfan4ever Год назад +2

    I have to say that Halloween 4 is michael at his best. He systematically took out the entire town.. taking down the telephone lines, took out the power, took out the entire police force, and allowed himself to be locked in the meeker house. Add that with the fact that he was the most unstoppable he ever was in that movie.. he was taken down with a knife stab and needle.. vs taking a shotgun and punches to the face and not moving. And when he grabbed you he did harm.. while he missed 2 easy shots to kill Laurie.
    Halloween 4 was peak michael myers

    • @grimlord3181
      @grimlord3181 Год назад +1

      Except with his mask.

    • @takerfan4ever
      @takerfan4ever Год назад +2

      @@grimlord3181 sure.. he didn't "look" the best.. but he was the best

  • @RollingxBigshot
    @RollingxBigshot Год назад +2

    The problem with this video is that other Halloween movies show him to be tactical, H2O for example. He planned all of his moves carefully on that film

  • @grzyruth9205
    @grzyruth9205 Год назад +2

    I'm so glad you made thus. I've been saying something similar to this for YEARS but nobody ever listens to me. OG Michael Myers was unique and different from how he is portrayed in the sequels.

  • @chimpsfall75
    @chimpsfall75 Год назад +1

    Fantastic point! Nail on the head! I feel incredibly obtuse for missing it myself, but his calculation on and selection of when to attack is what built all the suspense.

  • @sassytroy8282
    @sassytroy8282 Год назад +6

    I liked Halloween 2 for how Myers still thinks over things and has a bit of a human side to him. He doesn't kill the old couple at the first when he takes the knife and the hot tub scene he is a bit aroused by the girl before she turns around and he drowns her. I liked that about the film as Jason just kills people to kill people. In 2018 it bugged me that he killed the old couple because after seeing part 2 it just seemed off.

  • @PRHILL9696
    @PRHILL9696 Год назад +2

    I miss when he was the Shape in parts 1,2 4-6 Producers cut. he has not been that at all since the original franchise!

  • @terminaldisfunction5306
    @terminaldisfunction5306 Год назад +1

    Great video man, very underrated and Phenomenal editing. Keep up the good work!

  • @J-Nova
    @J-Nova 6 месяцев назад +1

    Part of this is why I love Michael Myers and the Halloween movie. It’s a suspenseful movie with great lore and build up that doesn’t make me tired or walking around doing other things out of boredom like Scream 2. Nor is it just slasher gore fest like Jason movies or Terrifier (I love cuz indie film and Art the clown is cool). It’s a blend of both and make Halloween the masterpiece it is.

  • @richards6098
    @richards6098 Год назад

    Great video... I'd love to see more of these essays

  • @bujilou
    @bujilou Год назад +1

    Makes me appreciate the first film a little more, thank you

  • @elguestoiii7314
    @elguestoiii7314 Год назад +1

    That’s a great intro with Halloween II theme

  • @thugalicious999
    @thugalicious999 Год назад

    this was a great video essay!! nice job

  • @bitethebook7650
    @bitethebook7650 Год назад

    I love you for making this. Thank you.

  • @justaghostinthesea
    @justaghostinthesea Год назад +2

    I'd love to see more of this kind of content. It's hella interesting.

  • @COCO-MADRID
    @COCO-MADRID Год назад

    The original original opening credits always give me chills

  • @budelmore6286
    @budelmore6286 Год назад +2

    He used the hot tub in the hospital in the second one and I think it could be said he used the disorienting nature of a hospital to his advantage. He slashed the tires and fucked with the starters of all the cars too. He was pretty smart I think the movie was rushed and the magic was less and the mostly one setting is nothing like the first.

  • @d.k.prince5694
    @d.k.prince5694 Год назад +1

    The first Halloween left you actually wondering if Michael really is the Boogyman. The others kind of removed that mystery.

  • @andrewwilson5104
    @andrewwilson5104 Год назад +1

    Ghostface just has intelligence but ghostface's intelligence is not as high as Michael's intelligence

  • @RyswagPlays
    @RyswagPlays Год назад +3

    He can stalk around in the first movie because as far as anyone is concerned he was just a weirdo in a mask.
    After the original night everyone knows who he is. While he could have just got a different mask (which I guess he never wanted to do for some reason) if he was walking around in pure daylight he would have had a difficult time.

  • @GoodJokesMP4
    @GoodJokesMP4 Год назад

    Congrats on this video blowing up! Hope to see more from you and further success!

  • @spindashcash206
    @spindashcash206 7 месяцев назад

    hes like a ninja in a way. quiet and stealthy.

  • @StalkyBoi
    @StalkyBoi Год назад +1

    Great video! I highly enjoyed. Despite not a lot of people liking the film, I would argue Halloween Kills does show a lot of Michael's intelligence. He uses misdirection several times throughout the film in order to gain the upper hand. Knocking on the front door and then entering through the back, using music to misdirect where he is and then having Lonnie's body above where he'll come out from, and imo the greatest display of his intelligence towards the end when pit against the mob. He knows the only real threat to him is the gun, so he ensures he takes care of that before going for killing blows. While not as methodical as the original, Kills showcases how fast Myers can come up with things on the go which is pretty terrifying in its own way. I know the film isn't for everyone, but it's interpretation of Myers is fantastic.

  • @Darthmiguel89
    @Darthmiguel89 Год назад +1

    Awesome analysis, I think that’s what gave OG Michael that scare factor, him just being seeing by us the audience planning and plotting his way to the next kill, unlike others that pop out of nowhere and just brutally kill, which I also enjoy lol

  • @SidJustice1
    @SidJustice1 Год назад +1

    Dick Warlock did it pretty damn good as well. His rendition of the Shape was my personal favorite.

  • @theopoliusivory9463
    @theopoliusivory9463 Год назад +2

    It works because their was never suppose to be a sequel!

  • @patserrano8622
    @patserrano8622 Год назад

    Great essay. Hope you channel takes off

  • @greenlong1987
    @greenlong1987 Год назад +2

    The people who think Michael stalking and planning is boring can go watch something else lol. It’s so perfect. It builds tension while you get to know and care for the characters. I’m so glad someone made a video really nailing who the first Halloween is so perfect. Thank you!

  • @ItsTheHaos
    @ItsTheHaos Год назад

    The fact that you ONLY have 529 subs with such a great video and analysis, liked and got you the 530th sub, keep it up my man!

  • @TheSoullessTrenchCoat
    @TheSoullessTrenchCoat Год назад +4

    Great breakdown man I like the sequels but the original is still my favorite but I never noticed all the planning Michael put in until you broke it down great Job man makes me see the movie in a new light

  • @Swanzo
    @Swanzo Год назад

    He's just standing there....menacingly

  • @thelastofthebrohicans
    @thelastofthebrohicans Год назад +1

    I think it was more psychological instead of kill slash gore. Actually built suspense because the slasher trope wasn’t established yet. John Carpenter would definitely know since he refused to work on any other Halloween films

  • @robbiedavis1611
    @robbiedavis1611 Год назад +1

    That and Donald pleasance it's just not the same without him

  • @Tony_Pesta
    @Tony_Pesta Год назад +1

    I actually never noticed a few of the things you pointed out in the original (like the curtains blowing once Michael has entered the Doyle house)
    This was a great video. I didn't realize how little Michael prepares for his kills in the sequels. When he eventually returns to the big screen, I hope we get to see him spring a few more tricks

  • @henryharmon3656
    @henryharmon3656 7 месяцев назад +1

    I've never seen Annie's death addressed until now. If he was in there the first time she tried the door, then he must have unlocked it with the keys, returned the keys, gone back to the car, locked the doors from inside so she wouldn't be suspicious in finding it unlocked, and finally waited. But then why did she not have to use the keys once she had them? If an open car door would have aroused suspicion the first time she tried it, it certainly would have aroused even more suspicion upon a second try only moments later. On the other hand, if he wasn't in there the first time she tried the door, then he wouldn't have been able to get in and wait for her. What am I missing?