I don't know why modern developers design rts games with PVP as the primary focus. I feel like back in the day developers aimed to make a good game holistically; and then a PVP scene grew more organically after players mastered the core mechanics and beat the campaigns.
Are you really clueless or just not thinking hard enough? It's pretty easy to understand. Maybe spend more than 10 seconds thinking about something and you'll actually arrive to a conclusion. Crazy how that works
@rubz1390 Agreed, it's completely insane. Not only does focusing on PVP not work (we have loads of examples of that, sadly), but even if it *did* work to force-create a pvp scene, it would *still* be a stupid idea because by far the largest segment of the RTS market are... people who only play singleplayer. So congratulations, you've optimised your game to cater for the tiny fraction of the market who want to play competitive pvp, and are... already deeply invested in their current games that they know how to play already, and most aren't going to switch. Meanwhile the giant's share of the market, who actually want new games because playing them single player is a much more consumptive process that needs a higher throughput of games, aren't being catered to. Great job, devs! I'm sure this will totally work out great this time, unlike the dozens of previous times where it's crashed and burned! After all, look at all the *successful* games that did that! *Points at the precisely ZERO examples of games this strategy has worked for.*
@@PegarexucornIt’s always funny to me to find the douchebag in a real time strategy gaming sub of all places. Like, we’re all nerds, aren’t we? Bah I forget, some of us are children still. Don’t worry man, you’ll get there. I believe in you.
Feels like devs these days rather wait till they get some backlash in order to make a full finished game it’s weird. Like I partially can get the mindset but it’s just odd that they just don’t stick to the vision and go full in on it and add as much as possible instead of being so safe that it kills the game.
It's because games today are designed to appeal to the majority, the majority don't have the experience of those 90s games anymore. They're generally casual gamers who just want to sit down and play something. As a result, pretty graphics are what'll attract them, not showing off fancy game mechanics, that stuff is what keeps the veterans around which are a smaller group.
Today the main focus is next gen graphics instead of story or well written chars, because Nvidia wants to sell their 2000€ cards to the brainwashed kids.
I was super excited for this, and then played the demo. I knew afterwards I wouldn't like the game. Personally I think the gameplay is far too slow, mechanics way too simplistic and missions were boring. They did right by campaign with cinematics, voice acting and so on, but the gameplay distinctly felt like nobody play tested it for 'fun' rather than just bugs. It lacks the sort of X-factor of actions and missions that Dawn of War had. A real shame. i really wanted this to be cool.
The demo felt awful to play. It just felt abysmally slow all around and very simplistic, the price that they're charging for it feels nuts. The curse of Warhammer games strikes again. Also don't worry about sequels, i'm sure this will get lots of DLCs like usual.
Sad to hear the conquest mode is a bit underbaked. Hoping that with some added customisation and factions added the game becomes properly worth it, but until then I guess in my wishlist it'll stay.
Considering there's no elven(cow elves, fish elves, wood-zombie elves, snakey-dommy elves), goblins(those, literally, crackhead spider f**kers), dwarves(fire dwarves, flying-capitalist dwarves), ogre, insane ghouls, etc, factions, seems it was planned that this game will be in its best when all its DLCs are released.
I played the first two missions at Warhammer World. I felt like it had a solid foundation but really lacked a lot of quality of life features that would’ve extended the life of the game, in multiplayer and beyond. I needed like a ‘fleet of foot’ skill and some visual elements to make things easier to read at a glance. In about a year or a year and a half of updates I can imagine it being pretty good. For me it felt more like DoW2 than DoW1 from what I played. Would I still buy it? Yes. Age of Sigmar needs the love it deserves in video game form and this is a step on the right direction.
I think what really sets Dawn of War and CoH from this is the ranged combat and the cover system. You really had to control the map. With close combat it just turn into a mosh pit, and you launch spells to try to spice things up.
I love how the "campaign" of this game is the RTS version of modern corridor shooter: you go in a literal corridor that leads to an open area, killing everything in there, exit through another corridor and repeats. It's obvious that the dev spent minimal efforts on story component to justify the price tag of the game
When they first revealed they were doing an AoS RTS it piqued my interest for sure, it looked at least on the surface like someone could pick up the reins from Blizzard and make a compelling big budget fantasy RTS. Then they started to slowly trickle out gameplay and you realize it's a 'tactics' rts with an incredibly tiny scope. Here's the thing - you want to make a fantasy RTS with no RPG mechanics? Sure. You want to make an RTS with minimal micro and unit controls? Sure. You want to make an RTS with no base building or resource management? Go for it. By why all three of these at once? There's nothing left to a game like this other than just walking units at flags and using abilities. I can't understand who this is for. Anyone who wants a game this simplified just doesn't play an RTS game imo.
I heard the game is slow, dull and boring. Just the fact you cannot reposition units after an engagement like in ancestor legacy is already a no buy for me anyway. I also really dislike seeing projectiles going through terrain. The game really look well made. But gameplay will always be king in an RTS. On the other hand, mow2 new playtest is out and better than all their other betas. Broken arrow closed beta is out. Zero-k just had a cool new update. ...^^
I'm absolutely buying this game for the Multiplayer PvP. Loved DoW 2, with a few hundred hours into it, I will love this too. The Map editor looks incredible too, I cant wait to make maps.
Love that for you, I’m still buying this game for sure. Maybe not right away but I’ll definitely be trying it out, I think the disappointment is a bit harsh despite there being a clear lack in content that’s compelling and for longevity. Still think there’s plenty to love here and hopefully the devs will acknowledge that this game needs more. Hate that the gaming landscape is like this for what seems like all games now especially RTS games. Warhammer be struggling to get a solid win.
I want a pvp focused Warhammer game where you can customize your army ("paint"), buy units (outside base game included) and then form a small army and then go up against an opponent that has done the same. Basically the table-top experience but on PC.
Age of Sigmar will just never have the appeal Fantasy had for me. It's so clearly just medieval 40k its almost ironic. Thank god for Total Warhammer, even if does cost $500 for the whole thing now.
Well, this is Frontier Developments' first time having made a Real Time Tactics game akin to DoW. This RoR game begins at launch with four armies, one per Grand Alliance in the AoS IP. Don't know if they'll add more a la Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition and 4 over the course of many years.
@@royasturias1784 the thing is, at least in my opinion, the biggest problem is not the ammount of armies, its the lack of gameplay modes, maps and (for me) BASE BUILDING.
@@rafalst I'm so sick of people thinking RTS games need base building, go play fucking sim city or something then. RTS games do not live or die just because you can't place a fucking building down. No one has ever come up with a legit argument for it other than "Game doesn't have it, therefore lame" I do not understand it at all. I have played many RTS games some with it and some without and never have I ever cared either way, but the fact some people seem so obsessed with the idea a rts needs you to place a little building down for it to be worth your while, is fucking baffling to me.
Why would anyone in their right mind scrap the formula of the original Dow and its expansions for something so mediocre like this? I am more into the 40k lore but I would gladly try fantasy if someone would give me a REAL game like Dow1.
I was 100% set to buy this yesterday but the price as well as the fact that watching the livestreams of it didn't really hold my attention stopped me. I may still grab the standard version for tzeentch but I'll see what some other reviewers say.
I experienced the full playthrough of the original Warcraft 3 a while ago. And I'm surprised by how much creativity there is on every mission of the campaign. None of the missions feels exactly the same. The story is far less complex than I remembered. But the story is compelling enough. The characters are interesting enough. It is amazing how much can be said in less than 2 minutes of cinematics. The talent of Blizzard's team was astounishing at the time.
I was expecting worse than that... but it's still not very interesting even if it didn't have the AAA price tag. It's probably good only for those that prefer Sigmar over the old version that's in total war, or those desperate for a new RTS with big bucks presentation.
The Battle for Middle Earth RTS games are some of my favorite games of all time. Been waiting for over 15 years for something similar. This sadly doesn't look like it either. Good RTS games are so much fun to play, I don't understand how this genre just completely died after 2010 or so.
why is it so hard to rip off warcraft 3 with warhammer armies. why are we being inspired by insipid League of Legends mechanics. Dawn of war 3 wasnt a big enough flop? what a waste of fucking time. should have made seraphon Park or something.
Only thing i dislike is the slow gameplay and grindy battles, if anything i just wish they will increase the speed the gameplay: faster walk speed, attack speed, etc Would be great if they can patch the units AI and make it microable.
i'm not gonna lie, the big turn off is the fact you can't disengage. That essentially ends skirmishing. Like full retreat as the only callback is just insane to me.
I'm still waiting for the time Warhammer games actually start to embrace the scale of how battles are fought in the lore. We don't see small squads of Stormcast Eternals running around capturing points in the lore. We see massive armies duking it out like there's no tomorrow.
I guess Total Warhammer did that pretty well. Not many other series can really showcase that kinda scale tbf and I doubt anyone wants to put in the real effort to make it happen lol
I really don't play WH games for "character development"; I enjoyed the Dawn of War games, especially the single-player modes, just fine. Not everyone cares about character development.
1) No content. 2) Overpriced. 3) Setting is a worse, "plastic" version of Fantasy. 4) Boring gameplay. 5) Just DoW3 "successor" but without even smidge of cool units DoW3 had and more stale.
i got caught up by my own hype and bought it, played it for more than 2 hours, hoping it gets better. i can def. als NOT recommend to buy it. its more than stale and feels half baked and not really thought trough. wait for a sale, that is def. about to come soon. not more than 20 bucks!
I think one of the big problems AoS suffers from (lore wise) is that the realms are so massive that you could literally have anything in them. If a city in AoS is destroyed it doesn't really matter because there of likely tens of thousands more like them. Contrast that with Warhammer Fantasy, if say Middenheim or Praag were destroyed you'd think - oh we're in some serious shit now. If Tempests Eye was destroyed you'd think why does that matter? The scale of AoS works both for and against it.
- made for consoles - *no base building* - ugly/cartoony fortnite-zoomer design - Denuvo - bad unit microbility - Age of Wokemar-setting => will not be bought
hey could you please review, "age of darkness" it has an interesting campaign for single player with a promise to add multiplayer later. the idea is that its focus is on the singleplayer experience
Realms of ruin is a strange game. I look at the production quality and I am impressed.. tons of time clearly went into the presentation, I know stuff like that takes a ton of effort.. But then I look at the gameplay and it feels like a very limited indie game.. Its like a super constrained low budget RTS with a very expensive AAA coat of paint.
Why is it that people keep making RTS games that feel like reskinned versions of Starcraft II but worse? This game reminds me of DoW 3, everything is so smooth and streamlined to the point of blandness.
"Feel" was doing a lot of heavy lifting there, I fully admit the game doesn't look like it plays that much like SC2 which was what I was getting at with the "but worse" part of the sentence. Looks on the other hand, units and glowy Protoss buildings aside, the maps and general movement remind me a lot of SC2 when I compare screenshots of it and Realms of Ruin against each other. In my opinion, not to RoR's benefit.@@Barbarossa97
There is almost zero Starcraft 2 here other than that you click with the mouse, just being honest. Gonna have to look beyond the surface level if you wanna have a convo about why a game is going to fail.
I find it really hard to care about Age of Sigmar's lore and characters. Something about demigod warriors that just respawn and endless realms that are all color coded and amorphous makes being entertained about gritty stories in them just... not work?. In the tabletop game I feel it's a different story. You care about the army you collected and painted because they're 'your dudes' (and the models are awesome). But with a standalone dramatic story that meant to have character growth, not really.
First time seeing your channel. I like how objective and straightforward this review is, especially the title. No superlative nonsense like "REALMS OF RUIN KILLED MY CAT!" I pre-ordered the game and look forward to it but I shall keep what you said in mind. Thanks!
Literally just commenting about how games keep coming out half baked but then they want full price for it. We gamers need to start striking on games that come out with underwheling quality and poor effort involved. Not every game needs to be ragged on but when it comes to companies who were known for great games in the early ages of gaming , now sell games that arent even a pleasure to know about full with letdowns and still expect full game value
Souns like there’s room for improvements. Possibly they wanted to teach players the core of multiplayer from the first missions, and it sounds as if they would add more factions. Hopefully they listen to feedback
I am kinda afraid that the content is lacking on purpose... This has all the makings of a 'buy dlcs to fill the void' kinda game. Want a new army? DLC! New map mechanics? don't worry, DLC on its way! Don't forget it's a Games Workshop IP, eh ;)
If you're not *very* fast at controlling your units across multiple engagements, you're going to have a bad time. edit: I also wholeheartedly disagree with your praise of the UI configuration. I want to be able to zoom out another full 100% and that's just the tip of the "this is awful" iceberg.
Warhammer Battlemarch made in 2008 was 10x more fun. Hands down a completely better experience overall. I was so excited for this game but sadly the game was just a age of sigmar dawn of war with no depth.
I remember the Steam page bringing so much hype....and then they released that public demo. I have never hated a game before until I played this. Just wasnt fun at all and had very inconvenient game mechanics that make it a slog to play. The only good thing was that it looks nice.
If we cry loud enough, they might have a justification to flesh out the conquest mode. I m a bit tired of multiplayer everywhere, I'm a dad, leave me peacfully enjoy my hobby my own way...
You can be happy: you can buy this game on Steam LEGALLY. I didn’t regret it when SEGA left with its Total War DLC milker, but the inability to buy this game in my region makes me sad. (although in EGS this game is available without problems, and even at an adequate regional price, but EGS is an untrusted platform).
It’s hard as hell, especially on the easiest difficulty and enemies keep coming none stop, you can’t even leave you’re base with losing within 2 minutes
I love the game, I recommend it. I love multiplayer & the campaign, yeah I think conquest is underwhelming. Its the best genre of game imo for multiplayer. The campaign has great plot, voice acting, graphics, cinematics, sound.
the first time i played it, i really liked it but after a while, i got bored so quickly, but it's a really beautiful game. the unit models are really cool. I hope they add Lizard in the future or Dark elves also good.
I wanted to believe this game was going to be good, but I was right in my initial assessment of not trusting Frontier Development with anything, after my past experiences with their games...
7:34 Those actually look pretty baller. If you hadn’t told me otherwise, I would assume it was just some warp-tainted flora, or inter-dimensional crystals or something.
so your critic of this game is too few faction and content and thus people shouldn t buy them right now? but this game is already like 30 us dollar with pre-order price. how low it have to get to met your standard then? 15?
Too bad they didnt do much with the character development. Video games are a unique form of media because obviously you control the main cast itself and can therefore develop a much more meaningful bond with them, compared to a movie or show. The best example from an RTS game would of course be Prince Arthas from Warcraft 3, who's story became very well known and become the basis for the entire Wrath of the Lich King World of Warcraft expansion. The best bit was that what happened story-wise had actual very real gameplay consquenses, for example when the first campaign moved towards the second, keeping you in control of Arthas but lets say... under very different circumstances. This is the best element of good video game design: having the story interact with what you actually do in the game moment to moment. This really elevates the experience to becoming something far greater than the sum of its parts.
I am enough of a nerd to buy this eventually, but not at full price sadly. Sadly Frontier Developments has not been doing well financially this year, so i doubt this game will get any more polish if it doesn't sell well.
Watched a stream of a multiplayer game yesterday and it looked like it had the capture point mechanic from titles like CoH and DoW but the map itself was more laned as if it had been lifted from a moba. Taking the points didn't seem to do much and while it was visually decent with flashes and the like not obscuring units too much it looked slower that I'd expect from an RTS. Could be multiplayer padded for "balance" or could be they want folk to oooh and ahh the combat but games should be made to get played and not simply watched. Nothing from watching the multiplayer side made me think I'd like the single which makes this a wishlist and wait for a sale
7:23 Warhammer manages to be the tricky portmanteau of High and Low Fantasy. They do this by establishing that for the vast majority of the human race, the most exciting thing they have to look forward to is extra corpse rations while working in the factories. Then you get the Space Marines, Eldar & Inquisitors, who get to go on gnarly adventures with more fantastical stuff.
Even for Age of Sigmar this game screams that its been gutted of factions and features for eventual paid dlc no full roster of units, no flesh eater courts, no glotkin, no khorne, no dwarfs its not the same game type but i always think of dow dlc 3 the dark crusade and about how much value for money it was, whole new game type with the story being the order that you just choose to play the game map in rather than linear missions, new factions, endless replayability, commander progression; and both the core game and the dlc combined never cost as much as this game does at early access pre release, but still manages to have way way less content
I bought this yesterday and think it's a solid game . Its kinda a smaller scale rts but it looks good, the animations are nice and once you figure out the console controls it works pretty well
GW will never cease to amaze me at how they almost purposefully put out bad game after bad game for all of WH. Hiring sub-par studios that make half-baked games. I honestly can't understand how that company stays afloat, financially. If WH fans weren't so zealous and desperate for something decent that they throw money at the next thing and pray, GW would've been buried long ago.
For everyone realm of ruin there's a vermintide, and a lot of these games are made by smaller companies and do fairly well for their budget. I think overall it works out for them.
I personally never was interested in this as I see Age of Sigmar as an attempt by Games Workshop to 40k fantasy But I was hoping it would succede more so new strategy game would be interesting for developers to make again...Which is quite sad to see that it will never happen if this is what happens every time
Age of sigmar is genuinely pretty great. The lore is fun and open ended for table top players to insert their own flavor. It still carries the dregs of an undercooked bad game unfortunately. But it's honestly a better game system than 40k now. Aos 3.0 is amazing
@@Hedonite For me it was never a gameplay thing, but aesthetic. Seeing Empire troops in big golden suits doesn't feel fantasy to me at all. Fantasy has always been my favorite of the 2, so seeing these new empire troops never sat right with me
@@Otterly_lunaSame. A good ol’ Fantasy Greatsword has so much more going for him than these Not-Spacemarines. The outfit, big hat and semi-historical basis just carries so much more delicious flavor.
@@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll Just the fact of normal humans in their entirety with a couple of magic users fighting demons with nothing but their faith, steel and gunpowder and winning was main theme of the Empire. The Sigmarines should be in Warhammer 40k, not in fantasy. Bring the normal Joes back.
Nope ! A game released simultaneously for PC and consoles ? Nopenopenopenope nooOOOOoooope ! RTS was originally designed (and optimised) for PCs, mouse allowing you to handle both base management and jump in to micro the ongoing battles instantly. Yes, there are great RTSes developed specifically for consoles (Halo Wars) where they implemented systems to achieve similar results with controller shortcuts. But a game designed to be used in BOTH ?!? That means smaller scale to be handled by controller will disapoint PC players, and interface not optimised for console players will frustrate them to no end ! Good job guys , you just made you lighthouse product unapealling to ALL potential customers, making more ghost money by charts instead of actually targetting an existing customer base. Sorry to the poor sods stuck developping this hellhole...
Plug in KB & M then? However, it seems from RUclips/Twitch that some players on have adapted Gamepad-controls very well. There is just significant learning curve, I play on Xbox Series X and Plugged in KB&M to start with. Having a lots of fun trying to learn the ropes! Gameplay is somewhat 1:1 on consoles as it is on PC.
@@staalforsfh I'd just finished my big army when they killed fantasy and replaced it with a small skirmish game. I honestly haven't looked at AOS in probably a decade.
I can’t say I’m entirely disappointed to hear this not living up to the hype and full potential of this even tho I want it to. I was expecting this game to not be perfect but at least invigorate the feeling of Dawn of War again in an RTS. Sad to say but these days it feels like devs like these need to hear the criticisms on their product in order to make the product we all want, it’s weird but I guess I get it. I still want to get this game because as harsh as some of the criticisms and rightfully so, I think there is still plenty reason to play and buy the game even if it’s lacking. I just hope the devs will listen and learn from the fans.
Ugh, it's so sad to hear that this wasn't all it was hyped up to be. I've been waiting for there to be an actual good Age of Sigmar game for a while now. Most of what we have are mobile games and turn-based strategy games, and a VR title. What I personally think would be really good would be a 3rd person action game where you play as a Stormcast Eternal, not unlike Space Marine. Also Zade, you actually GET what made Stormcast Eternals interesting for me. Early on in the setting, they were very much the Space Marine stand ins with nothing else going on, but over time they really got more development that made them stand out from that. The effects of reforging are devastating, and it opens up so many story possibilities and actually gives people who are "immortal" real stakes in the story. In the demo, Sigrun was actually kind of reflecting on the loss of humanity from reforging in the cutscenes, which made me hope that she was a more experienced Stormcast Eternal that had been reforged a few times at this point. I was hoping that there would be a dynamic where she was more experienced and jaded, and Iden would be a lot fresher, and then we could maybe see them lose some of their humanity on the journey. Shame it doesn't look like that's how it panned out. If you haven't read it already, there's a nice little short story called "The Lightning Golem" that IS that story, it's also part of an anthology of short stories called "Myths and Revenants".
So basically it is mechanically a lesser Dawn of War and in terms of Fluff (story, characters, themes) a lesser Warhammer Fantasy. As a tabletop Veteran, I can only say they captured Age of Sigmar perfectly.
I feel like this game will end up being an "odd but decent experience" for Rts nerds who hunt and play old titles... Like 5 years later. Kinda like me now who's trying to do the same with rts of the 2000 - 2018 era.
It's seems to me that GW focused a lot on creating nice game animations. When it comes to gameplay, what most people enjoy and pay for, it feels like that's where the issue is. Well it was always the issue with GW. I have been playing their tabletop games since 2003 and nothing has changed. Plus they charge a lot for less, just like their rulebooks. One good thing about all this is that I have learned to wait before buying games, rulebooks ect and wait until I get to read or see what they brought out. Concerning the game, maybe they should hire better devs for the gameplay and less toward story animations, perhaps it will sell more or convince people to buy.
They made this game for console players if they would have just stuck with pc entirely and did a port later this would have been a hit. Probably would of had more features, factions, units the works but no they got greedy and time that would have been for a more fleshed out experience they went for money. This is at best a 40 dollar game not 60.
Herzog Zwei on SEGA Mega Drive / Genesis Kingdom Under Fire (1) on original XBOX console CnC Tiberian Dawn on N64 and PSX, CnC Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wrath (for the Kane's Challenge mode) on XBOX 360 the most recent Age of Empires 4 on XBOX Series S/X
Thanks a lot for that fair review. Game about 1 game mode, in age of sigmar universe. Seems like they took "Dow3 + dow2" and we got this. Im definitely not buying this game for 60$.
At this point i would be happy if AoS was fully divided from Warhammer fantasy like 40k is. Best part about WHF was the roleplaying game because of how deep and understandable the world was. The realms just seem like battle arenas for gods where its really hard to tell any story beyond battles and world melting decisions
You know what really grind my gears ? I called multiple times that the game was bad. Poor and boring mechanics, highly based on PvP and it was really hard to understand. I got a LOT of hate for those comments saying I don't play RTS or know s*** of warhammer when I play RTS since I'm 5, reaching competitive levels and collect and paint warhammer. People are just full of copium trying to love whatever has a "Warhammer" tag on it and don't think about the quality of the game, so they let slide so many problems from it like nothing. Warhammer games now days are the indie games trying to be AAA just because they have Warhammer on it, and people defending this
I don't know why modern developers design rts games with PVP as the primary focus. I feel like back in the day developers aimed to make a good game holistically; and then a PVP scene grew more organically after players mastered the core mechanics and beat the campaigns.
Are you really clueless or just not thinking hard enough? It's pretty easy to understand. Maybe spend more than 10 seconds thinking about something and you'll actually arrive to a conclusion. Crazy how that works
@@Pegarexucorn Don't be a edgelord loser.
@@Pegarexucornwho hurt you?
@rubz1390
Agreed, it's completely insane.
Not only does focusing on PVP not work (we have loads of examples of that, sadly), but even if it *did* work to force-create a pvp scene, it would *still* be a stupid idea because by far the largest segment of the RTS market are... people who only play singleplayer.
So congratulations, you've optimised your game to cater for the tiny fraction of the market who want to play competitive pvp, and are... already deeply invested in their current games that they know how to play already, and most aren't going to switch. Meanwhile the giant's share of the market, who actually want new games because playing them single player is a much more consumptive process that needs a higher throughput of games, aren't being catered to.
Great job, devs! I'm sure this will totally work out great this time, unlike the dozens of previous times where it's crashed and burned! After all, look at all the *successful* games that did that! *Points at the precisely ZERO examples of games this strategy has worked for.*
@@PegarexucornIt’s always funny to me to find the douchebag in a real time strategy gaming sub of all places. Like, we’re all nerds, aren’t we? Bah I forget, some of us are children still. Don’t worry man, you’ll get there. I believe in you.
It’s insane how strategy games from the 90s have way more content on offer at launch than modern AAA titles.
Feels like devs these days rather wait till they get some backlash in order to make a full finished game it’s weird. Like I partially can get the mindset but it’s just odd that they just don’t stick to the vision and go full in on it and add as much as possible instead of being so safe that it kills the game.
But The GraARPHICss.
It's because games today are designed to appeal to the majority, the majority don't have the experience of those 90s games anymore. They're generally casual gamers who just want to sit down and play something. As a result, pretty graphics are what'll attract them, not showing off fancy game mechanics, that stuff is what keeps the veterans around which are a smaller group.
the focus has shifted away from the product and to the marketing and it will keep going that way for the big companies
Today the main focus is next gen graphics instead of story or well written chars, because Nvidia wants to sell their 2000€ cards to the brainwashed kids.
I was super excited for this, and then played the demo. I knew afterwards I wouldn't like the game. Personally I think the gameplay is far too slow, mechanics way too simplistic and missions were boring. They did right by campaign with cinematics, voice acting and so on, but the gameplay distinctly felt like nobody play tested it for 'fun' rather than just bugs. It lacks the sort of X-factor of actions and missions that Dawn of War had. A real shame. i really wanted this to be cool.
This was my experience also.
they improve from the demo, please read it lol
@@heobinhlovemeo the game was boring, no amount "fixing" will change how I feel about shit design
This just reminds me how much i fucking love dawn of war.
Go watch mortismal gaming. He actually does proper reviews instead of this clown
Turns out if we want to relive the glory days of Kotor, DoW, Demigod or whatnot. We just need to play them again.
Yep seems that's not going to change anytime soon either.
Demigod had glory days?
you lost credibility when you put demigod in the same sentence as dow and kotor.
Demigod was a ton of fun, it's shame it never really took off. :/
The demo felt awful to play. It just felt abysmally slow all around and very simplistic, the price that they're charging for it feels nuts. The curse of Warhammer games strikes again.
Also don't worry about sequels, i'm sure this will get lots of DLCs like usual.
i dont think so, i bet there will be about 3 because they are already done and then it will stop because nobody will play it
@@mtuktuk9627 you could be right, i don't know who will even buy this considering how little content there is for the asking price.
What Warhammer games got any dlcs outside of Total War?
@@trixon2118 I'm not talking about warhammer games, I'm talking about games made by Frontier. Look at their other releases, they all have lots of DLC.
Sad to hear the conquest mode is a bit underbaked. Hoping that with some added customisation and factions added the game becomes properly worth it, but until then I guess in my wishlist it'll stay.
Honestly even 'a bit underbaked' is generous. It's hasn't even been put in the oven yet aha
Considering there's no elven(cow elves, fish elves, wood-zombie elves, snakey-dommy elves), goblins(those, literally, crackhead spider f**kers), dwarves(fire dwarves, flying-capitalist dwarves), ogre, insane ghouls, etc, factions, seems it was planned that this game will be in its best when all its DLCs are released.
Well... about that..
I played the first two missions at Warhammer World. I felt like it had a solid foundation but really lacked a lot of quality of life features that would’ve extended the life of the game, in multiplayer and beyond.
I needed like a ‘fleet of foot’ skill and some visual elements to make things easier to read at a glance.
In about a year or a year and a half of updates I can imagine it being pretty good.
For me it felt more like DoW2 than DoW1 from what I played.
Would I still buy it? Yes. Age of Sigmar needs the love it deserves in video game form and this is a step on the right direction.
I think what really sets Dawn of War and CoH from this is the ranged combat and the cover system. You really had to control the map. With close combat it just turn into a mosh pit, and you launch spells to try to spice things up.
What I dont like is that it feels made for console, it is super slow game play and there is like an emptyness y in the maps
I love how the "campaign" of this game is the RTS version of modern corridor shooter: you go in a literal corridor that leads to an open area, killing everything in there, exit through another corridor and repeats. It's obvious that the dev spent minimal efforts on story component to justify the price tag of the game
When they first revealed they were doing an AoS RTS it piqued my interest for sure, it looked at least on the surface like someone could pick up the reins from Blizzard and make a compelling big budget fantasy RTS. Then they started to slowly trickle out gameplay and you realize it's a 'tactics' rts with an incredibly tiny scope. Here's the thing - you want to make a fantasy RTS with no RPG mechanics? Sure. You want to make an RTS with minimal micro and unit controls? Sure. You want to make an RTS with no base building or resource management? Go for it. By why all three of these at once? There's nothing left to a game like this other than just walking units at flags and using abilities. I can't understand who this is for. Anyone who wants a game this simplified just doesn't play an RTS game imo.
I heard the game is slow, dull and boring.
Just the fact you cannot reposition units after an engagement like in ancestor legacy is already a no buy for me anyway.
I also really dislike seeing projectiles going through terrain.
The game really look well made. But gameplay will always be king in an RTS.
On the other hand, mow2 new playtest is out and better than all their other betas.
Broken arrow closed beta is out.
Zero-k just had a cool new update.
...^^
I'm absolutely buying this game for the Multiplayer PvP.
Loved DoW 2, with a few hundred hours into it, I will love this too. The Map editor looks incredible too, I cant wait to make maps.
😂😂😂
I hope you have a great time and make awesome maps :)
Love that for you, I’m still buying this game for sure. Maybe not right away but I’ll definitely be trying it out, I think the disappointment is a bit harsh despite there being a clear lack in content that’s compelling and for longevity. Still think there’s plenty to love here and hopefully the devs will acknowledge that this game needs more. Hate that the gaming landscape is like this for what seems like all games now especially RTS games. Warhammer be struggling to get a solid win.
me too, i bought this game just because of multiplayer
Honestly glad you enjoy it!
If you think sixty bucks is a hefty price for a Warhammer product, don't go price out a 2000pt army in any of Games Workshop's games. lol
I want a pvp focused Warhammer game where you can customize your army ("paint"), buy units (outside base game included) and then form a small army and then go up against an opponent that has done the same. Basically the table-top experience but on PC.
Total war Warhammer?
Moonbreaker exist
Age of Sigmar will just never have the appeal Fantasy had for me. It's so clearly just medieval 40k its almost ironic. Thank god for Total Warhammer, even if does cost $500 for the whole thing now.
They really didnt learned from Relic and their Dawn of War 3 and did basically the same thing
Well, this is Frontier Developments' first time having made a Real Time Tactics game akin to DoW.
This RoR game begins at launch with four armies, one per Grand Alliance in the AoS IP. Don't know if they'll add more a la Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition and 4 over the course of many years.
@@royasturias1784 the thing is, at least in my opinion, the biggest problem is not the ammount of armies, its the lack of gameplay modes, maps and (for me) BASE BUILDING.
Nah dow3 had bad gameplay to begin with. This seems to be amazing....for pvp....
@@rafalst I'm so sick of people thinking RTS games need base building, go play fucking sim city or something then. RTS games do not live or die just because you can't place a fucking building down. No one has ever come up with a legit argument for it other than "Game doesn't have it, therefore lame" I do not understand it at all. I have played many RTS games some with it and some without and never have I ever cared either way, but the fact some people seem so obsessed with the idea a rts needs you to place a little building down for it to be worth your while, is fucking baffling to me.
Why would anyone in their right mind scrap the formula of the original Dow and its expansions for something so mediocre like this? I am more into the 40k lore but I would gladly try fantasy if someone would give me a REAL game like Dow1.
I was 100% set to buy this yesterday but the price as well as the fact that watching the livestreams of it didn't really hold my attention stopped me. I may still grab the standard version for tzeentch but I'll see what some other reviewers say.
I experienced the full playthrough of the original Warcraft 3 a while ago. And I'm surprised by how much creativity there is on every mission of the campaign. None of the missions feels exactly the same. The story is far less complex than I remembered. But the story is compelling enough. The characters are interesting enough. It is amazing how much can be said in less than 2 minutes of cinematics. The talent of Blizzard's team was astounishing at the time.
Them not "growing" should not be a negative. Because in Dawn of War nobody grew either. And you wanted a Dawn of War experience.
I was expecting worse than that... but it's still not very interesting even if it didn't have the AAA price tag.
It's probably good only for those that prefer Sigmar over the old version that's in total war, or those desperate for a new RTS with big bucks presentation.
The Battle for Middle Earth RTS games are some of my favorite games of all time. Been waiting for over 15 years for something similar.
This sadly doesn't look like it either. Good RTS games are so much fun to play, I don't understand how this genre just completely died after 2010 or so.
The moment they drop Skaven as a playable faction this game will receive my money
why is it so hard to rip off warcraft 3 with warhammer armies. why are we being inspired by insipid League of Legends mechanics. Dawn of war 3 wasnt a big enough flop? what a waste of fucking time. should have made seraphon Park or something.
I don't know man, the art direction feels like Disney's Warhammer.
Only thing i dislike is the slow gameplay and grindy battles, if anything i just wish they will increase the speed the gameplay: faster walk speed, attack speed, etc
Would be great if they can patch the units AI and make it microable.
i'm not gonna lie, the big turn off is the fact you can't disengage. That essentially ends skirmishing. Like full retreat as the only callback is just insane to me.
yeah it's a bizarre mechanic. I don't hate it necessarily but it certainly needs a lot of other things to bolster its complexity
Yeh it really feels odd and unresponsive. Poor design choice imo
I'm still waiting for the time Warhammer games actually start to embrace the scale of how battles are fought in the lore.
We don't see small squads of Stormcast Eternals running around capturing points in the lore. We see massive armies duking it out like there's no tomorrow.
I guess Total Warhammer did that pretty well. Not many other series can really showcase that kinda scale tbf and I doubt anyone wants to put in the real effort to make it happen lol
21:10 Hey look, you literally didn't follow the single most worthy quote of Warhammer: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
I really don't play WH games for "character development"; I enjoyed the Dawn of War games, especially the single-player modes, just fine. Not everyone cares about character development.
Who plays any strategy game for character development? I'm here for gameplay not a fucking movie.
Like seriously if you want character development go play a Sony game 😂😂😂
1) No content.
2) Overpriced.
3) Setting is a worse, "plastic" version of Fantasy.
4) Boring gameplay.
5) Just DoW3 "successor" but without even smidge of cool units DoW3 had and more stale.
No Singe player focus, no buy
i got caught up by my own hype and bought it, played it for more than 2 hours, hoping it gets better. i can def. als NOT recommend to buy it. its more than stale and feels half baked and not really thought trough. wait for a sale, that is def. about to come soon. not more than 20 bucks!
I think one of the big problems AoS suffers from (lore wise) is that the realms are so massive that you could literally have anything in them. If a city in AoS is destroyed it doesn't really matter because there of likely tens of thousands more like them. Contrast that with Warhammer Fantasy, if say Middenheim or Praag were destroyed you'd think - oh we're in some serious shit now. If Tempests Eye was destroyed you'd think why does that matter?
The scale of AoS works both for and against it.
- made for consoles
- *no base building*
- ugly/cartoony fortnite-zoomer design
- Denuvo
- bad unit microbility
- Age of Wokemar-setting
=> will not be bought
hey could you please review, "age of darkness" it has an interesting campaign for single player with a promise to add multiplayer later. the idea is that its focus is on the singleplayer experience
Realms of ruin is a strange game. I look at the production quality and I am impressed.. tons of time clearly went into the presentation, I know stuff like that takes a ton of effort.. But then I look at the gameplay and it feels like a very limited indie game.. Its like a super constrained low budget RTS with a very expensive AAA coat of paint.
Why is it that people keep making RTS games that feel like reskinned versions of Starcraft II but worse? This game reminds me of DoW 3, everything is so smooth and streamlined to the point of blandness.
Check your eyes and hands. This looks and plays nothing like SC2.
"Feel" was doing a lot of heavy lifting there, I fully admit the game doesn't look like it plays that much like SC2 which was what I was getting at with the "but worse" part of the sentence. Looks on the other hand, units and glowy Protoss buildings aside, the maps and general movement remind me a lot of SC2 when I compare screenshots of it and Realms of Ruin against each other. In my opinion, not to RoR's benefit.@@Barbarossa97
There is almost zero Starcraft 2 here other than that you click with the mouse, just being honest. Gonna have to look beyond the surface level if you wanna have a convo about why a game is going to fail.
@@weirdslime262it is like DoW2 more then anything else.
Solid review. I hope the post launch support will make this game worth buying on sale.
I find it really hard to care about Age of Sigmar's lore and characters. Something about demigod warriors that just respawn and endless realms that are all color coded and amorphous makes being entertained about gritty stories in them just... not work?.
In the tabletop game I feel it's a different story. You care about the army you collected and painted because they're 'your dudes' (and the models are awesome). But with a standalone dramatic story that meant to have character growth, not really.
First time seeing your channel. I like how objective and straightforward this review is, especially the title. No superlative nonsense like "REALMS OF RUIN KILLED MY CAT!" I pre-ordered the game and look forward to it but I shall keep what you said in mind. Thanks!
Thank you mate!
Literally just commenting about how games keep coming out half baked but then they want full price for it. We gamers need to start striking on games that come out with underwheling quality and poor effort involved. Not every game needs to be ragged on but when it comes to companies who were known for great games in the early ages of gaming , now sell games that arent even a pleasure to know about full with letdowns and still expect full game value
Souns like there’s room for improvements. Possibly they wanted to teach players the core of multiplayer from the first missions, and it sounds as if they would add more factions. Hopefully they listen to feedback
This game is a totally degenerated DoW2. Why are new games so degenerated? ....Instead of degenaration, just do a DawnOfWar 1 Remake!!!
I am kinda afraid that the content is lacking on purpose...
This has all the makings of a 'buy dlcs to fill the void' kinda game.
Want a new army? DLC!
New map mechanics? don't worry, DLC on its way!
Don't forget it's a Games Workshop IP, eh ;)
If you're not *very* fast at controlling your units across multiple engagements, you're going to have a bad time.
edit: I also wholeheartedly disagree with your praise of the UI configuration. I want to be able to zoom out another full 100% and that's just the tip of the "this is awful" iceberg.
There should be iron-clad rules, which qualifies what an actual RTS is:
1. Base building
2. ability to zoom out
I still hate age of sigmar. I know people have big hard ons for base building but I prefer when the exchanger rts try to emulate the table top
Warhammer Battlemarch made in 2008 was 10x more fun. Hands down a completely better experience overall.
I was so excited for this game but sadly the game was just a age of sigmar dawn of war with no depth.
Uh. I just started the video, and I noticed that the gameplay looks like Dawn of War 3.
Unfortunately it's not as good as even dow3 lol
@@Zade_95 been thinking of gtting it recently for some reason. Not for rthat awful mcguffin campaign but for skirmish.
I remember the Steam page bringing so much hype....and then they released that public demo. I have never hated a game before until I played this. Just wasnt fun at all and had very inconvenient game mechanics that make it a slog to play. The only good thing was that it looks nice.
If we cry loud enough, they might have a justification to flesh out the conquest mode. I m a bit tired of multiplayer everywhere, I'm a dad, leave me peacfully enjoy my hobby my own way...
You can be happy: you can buy this game on Steam LEGALLY. I didn’t regret it when SEGA left with its Total War DLC milker, but the inability to buy this game in my region makes me sad.
(although in EGS this game is available without problems, and even at an adequate regional price, but EGS is an untrusted platform).
mark my words, they are gonna add more factions at 15$ a piece and more units at 8-10$ every pack
They already added two DLC units. This is standard Frontier and Warhammer stuff.
It’s hard as hell, especially on the easiest difficulty and enemies keep coming none stop, you can’t even leave you’re base with losing within 2 minutes
I love the game, I recommend it. I love multiplayer & the campaign, yeah I think conquest is underwhelming. Its the best genre of game imo for multiplayer. The campaign has great plot, voice acting, graphics, cinematics, sound.
the first time i played it, i really liked it but after a while, i got bored so quickly, but it's a really beautiful game. the unit models are really cool. I hope they add Lizard in the future or Dark elves also good.
I wanted to believe this game was going to be good, but I was right in my initial assessment of not trusting Frontier Development with anything, after my past experiences with their games...
7:34 Those actually look pretty baller. If you hadn’t told me otherwise, I would assume it was just some warp-tainted flora, or inter-dimensional crystals or something.
For a minute there I thought it might be intended, but I stopped thinking that in the mission where 75% of the screen was purple lmao
so your critic of this game is too few faction and content and thus people shouldn t buy them right now? but this game is already like 30 us dollar with pre-order price. how low it have to get to met your standard then? 15?
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Too bad they didnt do much with the character development. Video games are a unique form of media because obviously you control the main cast itself and can therefore develop a much more meaningful bond with them, compared to a movie or show. The best example from an RTS game would of course be Prince Arthas from Warcraft 3, who's story became very well known and become the basis for the entire Wrath of the Lich King World of Warcraft expansion. The best bit was that what happened story-wise had actual very real gameplay consquenses, for example when the first campaign moved towards the second, keeping you in control of Arthas but lets say... under very different circumstances. This is the best element of good video game design: having the story interact with what you actually do in the game moment to moment. This really elevates the experience to becoming something far greater than the sum of its parts.
I am enough of a nerd to buy this eventually, but not at full price sadly. Sadly Frontier Developments has not been doing well financially this year, so i doubt this game will get any more polish if it doesn't sell well.
As someone who spent way too much time in elite dangerous ill warn everyone I can frontier doesn't care about their players.
Watched a stream of a multiplayer game yesterday and it looked like it had the capture point mechanic from titles like CoH and DoW but the map itself was more laned as if it had been lifted from a moba. Taking the points didn't seem to do much and while it was visually decent with flashes and the like not obscuring units too much it looked slower that I'd expect from an RTS. Could be multiplayer padded for "balance" or could be they want folk to oooh and ahh the combat but games should be made to get played and not simply watched.
Nothing from watching the multiplayer side made me think I'd like the single which makes this a wishlist and wait for a sale
7:23 Warhammer manages to be the tricky portmanteau of High and Low Fantasy. They do this by establishing that for the vast majority of the human race, the most exciting thing they have to look forward to is extra corpse rations while working in the factories. Then you get the Space Marines, Eldar & Inquisitors, who get to go on gnarly adventures with more fantastical stuff.
That's not what a portmanteau means. A portmanteau is just a word that is the combination of two words blended together.
Even for Age of Sigmar this game screams that its been gutted of factions and features for eventual paid dlc
no full roster of units, no flesh eater courts, no glotkin, no khorne, no dwarfs
its not the same game type but i always think of dow dlc 3 the dark crusade and about how much value for money it was, whole new game type with the story being the order that you just choose to play the game map in rather than linear missions, new factions, endless replayability, commander progression; and both the core game and the dlc combined never cost as much as this game does at early access pre release, but still manages to have way way less content
Dwarves aren't that popular in aos at all. If anything sylvaneth or seraphon would make more sense
I'm really only interested in single player in rts since I only touch the multiplayer for like a few days with friends. I'll probably get it on sale.
dude... 1:14
That shit looks like DOW 3 omg noooooo not again fucking moba maps!
more like dow 2
I bought this yesterday and think it's a solid game . Its kinda a smaller scale rts but it looks good, the animations are nice and once you figure out the console controls it works pretty well
GW will never cease to amaze me at how they almost purposefully put out bad game after bad game for all of WH. Hiring sub-par studios that make half-baked games. I honestly can't understand how that company stays afloat, financially. If WH fans weren't so zealous and desperate for something decent that they throw money at the next thing and pray, GW would've been buried long ago.
For everyone realm of ruin there's a vermintide, and a lot of these games are made by smaller companies and do fairly well for their budget. I think overall it works out for them.
I love how every single RTS Warhammer game (except maybe TWW) could be summarized as "just play Dark Crusade instead".
I personally never was interested in this as I see Age of Sigmar as an attempt by Games Workshop to 40k fantasy
But I was hoping it would succede more so new strategy game would be interesting for developers to make again...Which is quite sad to see that it will never happen if this is what happens every time
Age of sigmar is genuinely pretty great. The lore is fun and open ended for table top players to insert their own flavor. It still carries the dregs of an undercooked bad game unfortunately. But it's honestly a better game system than 40k now. Aos 3.0 is amazing
@@Hedonite For me it was never a gameplay thing, but aesthetic. Seeing Empire troops in big golden suits doesn't feel fantasy to me at all. Fantasy has always been my favorite of the 2, so seeing these new empire troops never sat right with me
@@Otterly_lunaSame. A good ol’ Fantasy Greatsword has so much more going for him than these Not-Spacemarines. The outfit, big hat and semi-historical basis just carries so much more delicious flavor.
@@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll Just the fact of normal humans in their entirety with a couple of magic users fighting demons with nothing but their faith, steel and gunpowder and winning was main theme of the Empire. The Sigmarines should be in Warhammer 40k, not in fantasy. Bring the normal Joes back.
@@syrienangel4137 I'm not even that big of a fan of the Empire (Greenskin and Chaos ftw!) but yeah, spot on. That's exactly it.
The Sigmarines look so bad it's comic. Even worse in cutscenes.
Nope ! A game released simultaneously for PC and consoles ? Nopenopenopenope nooOOOOoooope !
RTS was originally designed (and optimised) for PCs, mouse allowing you to handle both base management and jump in to micro the ongoing battles instantly. Yes, there are great RTSes developed specifically for consoles (Halo Wars) where they implemented systems to achieve similar results with controller shortcuts.
But a game designed to be used in BOTH ?!? That means smaller scale to be handled by controller will disapoint PC players, and interface not optimised for console players will frustrate them to no end ! Good job guys , you just made you lighthouse product unapealling to ALL potential customers, making more ghost money by charts instead of actually targetting an existing customer base. Sorry to the poor sods stuck developping this hellhole...
I am also a Single Player only player. Guess I will check this again after a few updates.
too much moba...not enough rts
Like seriously, JUST GIVE US DOW 1 STYLE ! or in the case of fantasy, AOE STYLE????? Stupid moba-like
On console the game is nearly impossible. It’s way too hard given how much micro the campaign forces on you with all the timed missions.
Plug in KB & M then? However, it seems from RUclips/Twitch that some players on have adapted Gamepad-controls very well. There is just significant learning curve, I play on Xbox Series X and Plugged in KB&M to start with. Having a lots of fun trying to learn the ropes! Gameplay is somewhat 1:1 on consoles as it is on PC.
Sounds like it would've been better received if Frontier used their animation prowess and engine for a AOS 3d animated series instead of an RTS
I bet with dlc and community maps we can play on this will be a cool game
I didn’t buy it yet.
I don't like the Age of Sigmar setting and lore so this was going to be a hard sell to me no matter what. Still angry about what GW did to my Skaven.
What did they do to Skaven? They're just about exactly the same in AoS
@@staalforsfh I'd just finished my big army when they killed fantasy and replaced it with a small skirmish game. I honestly haven't looked at AOS in probably a decade.
I can’t say I’m entirely disappointed to hear this not living up to the hype and full potential of this even tho I want it to. I was expecting this game to not be perfect but at least invigorate the feeling of Dawn of War again in an RTS. Sad to say but these days it feels like devs like these need to hear the criticisms on their product in order to make the product we all want, it’s weird but I guess I get it.
I still want to get this game because as harsh as some of the criticisms and rightfully so, I think there is still plenty reason to play and buy the game even if it’s lacking. I just hope the devs will listen and learn from the fans.
Ugh, it's so sad to hear that this wasn't all it was hyped up to be. I've been waiting for there to be an actual good Age of Sigmar game for a while now. Most of what we have are mobile games and turn-based strategy games, and a VR title. What I personally think would be really good would be a 3rd person action game where you play as a Stormcast Eternal, not unlike Space Marine.
Also Zade, you actually GET what made Stormcast Eternals interesting for me. Early on in the setting, they were very much the Space Marine stand ins with nothing else going on, but over time they really got more development that made them stand out from that. The effects of reforging are devastating, and it opens up so many story possibilities and actually gives people who are "immortal" real stakes in the story. In the demo, Sigrun was actually kind of reflecting on the loss of humanity from reforging in the cutscenes, which made me hope that she was a more experienced Stormcast Eternal that had been reforged a few times at this point. I was hoping that there would be a dynamic where she was more experienced and jaded, and Iden would be a lot fresher, and then we could maybe see them lose some of their humanity on the journey. Shame it doesn't look like that's how it panned out. If you haven't read it already, there's a nice little short story called "The Lightning Golem" that IS that story, it's also part of an anthology of short stories called "Myths and Revenants".
Nagash ruins everything
It's still the best AoS game going and I think you should give it a go when the price bumps down. It's not a bad by all means imo.
So basically it is mechanically a lesser Dawn of War and in terms of Fluff (story, characters, themes) a lesser Warhammer Fantasy.
As a tabletop Veteran, I can only say they captured Age of Sigmar perfectly.
Que in the AoS fanbois.
L take. Stick to 2nd edition old man.
@@Marinealver You just had to say it, ey?^^
Right now the Ultimate Edition is 22$ on my Series X. Is it worth it at that price?
I feel like this game will end up being an "odd but decent experience" for Rts nerds who hunt and play old titles... Like 5 years later.
Kinda like me now who's trying to do the same with rts of the 2000 - 2018 era.
Could we get WH Fantasy back please? AoS is just Dota+Lol+Warcraft. I got into WH because of Skaven, not because of dotafied space marines
It's seems to me that GW focused a lot on creating nice game animations. When it comes to gameplay, what most people enjoy and pay for, it feels like that's where the issue is. Well it was always the issue with GW. I have been playing their tabletop games since 2003 and nothing has changed. Plus they charge a lot for less, just like their rulebooks. One good thing about all this is that I have learned to wait before buying games, rulebooks ect and wait until I get to read or see what they brought out. Concerning the game, maybe they should hire better devs for the gameplay and less toward story animations, perhaps it will sell more or convince people to buy.
GW doesn't make these games, they just license them.
I bought the game but kinda wish I had seen your review first. Agree with everything you say. Thanks.
Hope you enjoy it regardless!
I'll buy it when there's like 6 armies and growing
They made this game for console players if they would have just stuck with pc entirely and did a port later this would have been a hit. Probably would of had more features, factions, units the works but no they got greedy and time that would have been for a more fleshed out experience they went for money. This is at best a 40 dollar game not 60.
An RTS designed dor console, what could possibly go wrong ? lol
Have you played goblin commander for the ps2 it was pretty good
Herzog Zwei on SEGA Mega Drive / Genesis
Kingdom Under Fire (1) on original XBOX console
CnC Tiberian Dawn on N64 and PSX, CnC Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wrath (for the Kane's Challenge mode) on XBOX 360
the most recent Age of Empires 4 on XBOX Series S/X
Thanks a lot for that fair review. Game about 1 game mode, in age of sigmar universe. Seems like they took "Dow3 + dow2" and we got this. Im definitely not buying this game for 60$.
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Have you ever tried the Spellforge games? I tried on console but thats just impossible to keep up compared to playing on PC.
I haven't but I do hope to check it out sometime!
If not for the map editor I'd have no hope for multi-player. Which is a shame, I really want this to do well
Ahh Age of Sigmarines. The biggest GW fuckup. I am getting DOW3 vibes and I think it will have same fate as it. And with DENUVO? Hard pass!
At this point i would be happy if AoS was fully divided from Warhammer fantasy like 40k is. Best part about WHF was the roleplaying game because of how deep and understandable the world was. The realms just seem like battle arenas for gods where its really hard to tell any story beyond battles and world melting decisions
Excellent video. Looking forward to picking this up on a Steam Sale. 😅
Thank you!
I bought it. I played 1h. I crashed 6 times. I refunded.
BRUH
I want to like this game so much. But the game just feels so empty…
You know what really grind my gears ? I called multiple times that the game was bad. Poor and boring mechanics, highly based on PvP and it was really hard to understand.
I got a LOT of hate for those comments saying I don't play RTS or know s*** of warhammer when I play RTS since I'm 5, reaching competitive levels and collect and paint warhammer. People are just full of copium trying to love whatever has a "Warhammer" tag on it and don't think about the quality of the game, so they let slide so many problems from it like nothing. Warhammer games now days are the indie games trying to be AAA just because they have Warhammer on it, and people defending this