The Bizarre World of Dune RTS Games
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2024
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Dune has been around for nearly 60 years and in that time there have been a bunch of games created across... well, mostly just RTS, luckily for me! Let's run through them and see what they're like today!
Dune 1992: www.myabandonware.com/game/du...
Dune II: www.myabandonware.com/game/du...
Dune 2000: www.openra.net/download/
Emperor Battle for Dune: www.myabandonware.com/game/em...
Dune Spice Wars: store.steampowered.com/app/16...
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It's worth noting that the Dune license that Westwood got ahold of was specifically for the 1984 David Lynch film, not the novels. They are treated as direct sequels to that film. So yes, David Lynch unintentionally is the godfather of the entire Real Time strategy genre and he probably doesn't even know it.
Sorta, Dune 2 art and designs have almost nothing shared with the Lynch film, it was until D2K that Lynch aesthetics were made a staple, like the beetle spice harvester
Cryo's Dune has more aesthetics from Lynch's film. Then Dune 2000 and Emperor are completely inspired by Lynch's film.
I have played Dune 2, and the tactic that my father and I came up with was a Missile Launcher Square. You build missile launchers, and you send them as far towards the enemy base as it is possible to the nearest island over sand. You make a square out of them. Then you move each and every Launcher one square at a time (remember, no right-click to move, no select multiple units, but they did defent automaticly), moving the whole square towards the enemy base. Why? Missile launchers were very powerful but couldn't hit anything in the square adjacent to them, but the missile launchers in the second, third and fourth lines could. And because the enemy attacked in line, you basically had an undefeatable army that bulldozed through the enemy base. When Warcraft 1 had the ability to select 4 units, and Warcraft 2 could select 9 and right-click for any action. My mind was blown. But the undefeated square is still in my heart.
I like such tactics. With my brother, we often used to build "walls of tears" in Westwood games, or at least that's what we called it. In short, we built a chain of defensive towers with no gaps between them. Once they stretched from top to bottom or left to right across the entire map, it was time to start building towards the opponent. It was probably the best time spent with my brother in games in my life :D
Dune is incredibly detailed... I literally went by accident to the Harkonnen's stronghold during a worm ride and there was a voice line like "You ain't gonna believe what happened... That stupid prince one day just showed up in front of our gate so we killed him all right!"
You can also grass up the Harkonen stronghold with plants, which skips the final battle and screws up the ending massively, but they do have a weird bit of graphics set up for if you try that.
Dune: Spice Wars is an amazing game. WIth recent updates and added content it glues all of its elements well, while removing the boring aspect of it. There is always something to be done during the match.
Don't let the average game lenght trick you though, after around 25-30 minutes the game turns into a stress management simulator.
Would highly recommend.
It's on Games Pass for PC btw. I installed it last night :)
I feel it leans more toward 4X than RTS. And there’s a lot of messing around with menus. Besides that it was a good time for the amount I played.
I love Emperor:bfD really underappreciated game now.
Came here to say the exact same thing.
With some of the best music in video game history.
tried it like year ago but graphics has aged rlly bad ;-s
I remember there was a trailer built into the RA2 disks for Emperor and it was the first time I heard of Dune! Looked dope going from RA2 graphics to that at the time.
Dude I used to watch that trailer over and over lmfao
Warcraft 3 (the original version) sure holds up better in 2024 but Empteror Battle for Dune doesn't look bad when it comes to graphics. It just looks kind a plain because of the sand planet having no buildings, vegetation, civilian objects like cars that Red Alert and Tiberian Sun games have in the environment. It's really sad that it didn't get a Steam release together with Red Alert 2 and Tiberian Sun games.
I don't think EA even has the license for Dune. IIRC Westwood got the license from the Dune movie's studio in the 90s and I think it has expired at this point, or at least I think I remember hearing something to that effect, I could be entirely wrong though.
I agree, for one of the first RTS in 3D ever it looks better than it should, and the old C&C/Dune haven't aged that well when it comes to infantry units either IMO
@@armelior4610 I think its second 3D RTS, Warzone 2100 is first in 1999 I believe.
Agree. Even I love the GUI of Emperor Battle for Dune, its transparent effect aged even better when Windows Vista & later Windows 7 were released.
@@artisriga Well, there were actually a couple of 3D RTS games on the market when Emperor came out (Homeworld, Ground Control, Earth 2150). And I hate to burst your bubble, but the first one to ever release was probably Total Annihilation in 1997! Though Warzone 2100 can still be considered one of the pioneers of 3D RTS games.
Ahh Dune 2000, the game of my childhood. How I miss thee. I don't care what you say John Rhys Davies was the best Atredies advisor of any media adaptation and his bromance in the story campaign will always have a place in my heart
Would love a sequel to Emperor. With even more asymmetry and more crazy stuff. Also more sand worms.
id love to be able to play emperor again.
@@henryborges1775Download and play it.
Considering Westwood is dead and EA uses Command and Conquer for mobile games, it's a very unlikely scenario for that to happen.
@@henryborges1775 What's stopping you?
Emperor Battle for Dune was my introduction to Lynch's movie and then I went to the books. Love it.
3:30 There was a game before Dune 2 "Utopia: The Creation of a Nation" it was the first? RTS, you did build your base, placed out house, tank factory's, solar panels, command center, mines, radar station, gun turrets etc. But the interface to move units was extremely clunky, you place numbers on the maps, and then tell the units to go to number 1, and units automatic attack enemy units in range.
Because of technical limitations, there was no enemy base, and enemy units come from the map edge, and there was a special command that order your units to attack the enemy base, and your unit travel to the map edge and disappears. Later you get a spy report that tell, your that your attack was repulsed, or you did destroy the enemy base. It was more of a sim city game, because you won by rise the quality of life to a high level. by building hospitals, terraforming the air, destroying the alien base only stop alien raids.
Give us Dune 2000! I played the shit out of that with my dad when I was younger on PS1. I go back and play it from time to time to remember him. RIP Dad.
Emperor Battle for Dune is my favourite! There's the factions but also the sub-factions you get to choose from that gives you access to unique units and buildings.
Still play Emperor once in a while. It was my first 3D RTS, the tech felt mind-blowing after Red Alert and Dune 2000❤
Red Alert 2 came with at least one sneak peak video for one of the Dune games. i always thought it was the coolest thing ever.
I don’t remember seeing the first Dune game in stores, but Dune II was everywhere when it came out in Oz (also around the time of StarControl II and Civ 1)
Emperor was so rad, it really needs a remaster
I'd be ok with that!
Westwood was not impressed by how that licence holder handled the livensing, there suddenly being the cancelled game revived as a competitor, and they decided, to make a similar game, but with their own fiction, blackjack and russians.
Awww Zade. I was quite excited for a Dune RTS video from your channel but disappointed when I saw the measly 10-minute length, I knew it was not going to be a deep dive and indeed it was not. Not enough lore, not enough gameplay review.
I hope you can upload a more detailed review in the future, capturing the nuances of each game, differences in unit availability per faction, production of units, method of spice collecting (including Carryalls), depiction of worms, special/unique units and superpowers, and house lore according to the games. Now that would be a Zade-worthy review 😎 After all, the forms must be obeyed...
Emperor was always my favorite RTS as a kid!
Thanks again for a great video! Love your dedication to research and edit these bits of RTS history into nice bite-sized chunks.
Thank you!
Just got the Ecaz & Moritani House Expansions for the Boardgame published by Gale Force Nine.
I don't care how many times I see it, I love the run down on the Dune and Dune 2 debacle. It's just funny to see!
Emperor's soundtrack, oh man! 🎶 Having a different composer for every faction, my favorite being the Harkkonen one with it's industrial-rock-middle eastern mixing. Chef's kiss! 😘🎼
Dune Spice Wars is honestly one of the best strategy games I have ever played, and I LOVE strategy games. Its blend of 4x and RTS while still being its own thing is so refreshing and new. I can highly recomend it for any Dune or Strategy game fans.
Dune 2 really was a special game in its time
"Emperor" was incredible in its time. Have a good memories of early ps1 era of games still. This and Star Wars episode 1 specially.
I never understood why the Guild wanted to create a God-worm, but I still really liked the campaign. Shame that Tleilaxu would betray you as well, it is one of the houses I liked the most (even if Ix was more broken with their projectors, when combined with Laser Tanks. The only limitation was the speed with which you were able to spam copies and run over enemies)
I played dune 2 on sega genesis. It was my first ever rts. Can you imagine playing the first generation of rts on a controller lol. I don’t know how I did it! Edit it was dune battle for arrakis, basically dune 2 for genesis.
Emperor Battle for Dune's graphics was phenomenal when I first watched the trailer (inside Red Alert 2 menu). Perhaps even better looking than C&C Generals. And I love Dune lore too. Shame it was underrated & forgotten. It deserves the same love as C&C series do.
Thanks for this amazing recap, I was actually looking for something like this!❤
Glad to provide!
emperor, generals, c&c 3/4 and red alert 3 all run on the SAGE engine (Strategy Action Game Engine), of which W3D is a fork to make it more suitable for third person or first person action.
pretty sure SAGE forked W3D and not the other way around; as CnC Renegade ran on W3D.
Great video Zade. Interesting stuff
Thanks mate :)
If you're going to do an in-deph review of Dune 2 and 2000, I suggest looking into console versions as well. Genesis and PS1 respectively. While also made by Westwood they look quite different from originals. They feel almost like separate games rather than ports. 2000 even seems to be in full 3D for better or worse. I never looked much into it, but always wondered why they were so different. In comparison, the first C&C game and Red Alert on PS1 looked much closer to PC versions.
Weatwood's first Dune game was my first time I learned about the book and RTS games and it was FANTASTIC
I appreciate you plugging Plan of Attack at the start. Ordos soundtrack in Emperor is really something
it's a great track
damn, the Ordos themes were all pretty rad. Though some Harkonnen ones as well. They just had something about them, like an andrenaline rush
@@nordos i remember not liking the harkonnen themes at first, but then they grown on me
@@EvGamerBETA the funny thing is, I mostly played Ordos and Atreides. Mainly Orods, though.
I really only started to like some of the Harkonnen ones after hearing the full soundtrack on youtube, since I so rarely played them
@@nordos I never ended up finishing a campain for them, but I dig their brutal astetic. Though competition is hard
I don't like much how harkonnens are some space aliens in the new movie
Nice Video as usual Zade :)
never played the old Dune games but they seem like fun games
For Dune 2k Gruntmods Ediion is the way to go if you don't do multiplayer. Open CNC messes with the AI and gameplay to the point it doesn't resemble the original, as it's geared for pvp. Gruntmods still has the original AI.
Skelly duke Paul atreides will always makes me chuckles
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Hello! The studio version of the DUNE 1992 Cryo game, "Dune Spice Opera" 2024 Remaster is now available for download in 96/24 Hi-res Audio Digital Album!
BONUS GAME OST dual soundcards (AdlibGold-RolandMT32) included!
Improvement of stereo field, expanded frequency spectrum and unprecedented dynamic response in comparison to the 1992 version are now allowed by modern tools!
My memories of Dune 2000 are pretty hazy, I think a friend lent me his copy (for the young ones, yes that was something you could do before Steam !).
But I still own Emperor on 4 CD. I loved the vibe of the universe, the special units like the sardaukar that one-shot any infantry or the tleilax zombies that infect even vehicles and the sandbox risk-like map. I think it was one of the first RTS to have the latter while still having a storyline too.
Frank Klepacki made awesome stuff for E:BfD, but the crown jewel is David Arkenstone's Harkonnen track. Dark Alliance has some of the sickest riffs in the entire Westwood anthology. Oh and yeah, insert obligatorisch whining for an E:BfD playthrough, even if on stream!
Interesting to see. An idea for a future video, the early history of RTS. So probably starting with Dune 2, through Warcraft 1 (and maybe 2) to C&C
I own all of them. Lol. Except dune 1. All the rts games, though. Including the one that just came out.
Always respect the Dune series for starting my favorite genre.
I like the first game but loved II, 2000, and Emperor. I actually only owned 2000 and Emperor but I play II at a friend of the family's house. I usually played as House Atreides or House Ordos. I'm not even sure I finished 2000 as House Harkonnen though I know I finished II and Emperor as them once or twice.
At first I wasn't really interested in Spice Wars due to the lack of House Ordos but then I found out the game added House Vernius. I not as familiar with the post Frank Herbert Dune novels as the originals but from what I remember of the few new Dune novels I read before giving up on them like House Ordos House Vernius is known for playing fast and loose with the Imperium's absurd anti-technology laws (I know why those restrictions were made but IMO they went way too far with them.) but they are morally a much lighter shade of grey and are actually old allies of House Atreides until Vernius was forced to go renegade by the Emperor's covert machinations. Officially attack by a rival House under suspicion of breaking the anti-technology laws, but with Imperium troops leading the charge, and unofficially because their technological innovations were costing the Imperium government money. (Basically the Imperium got paid a set fee for every highliner shipment. House Vernius created a new highliner design that carried a lot more cargo. Higher cargo capacity equaled fewer shipments needed which meant less money flowing into the Imperium's piggy bank.)
I loved the Dune RPG but I'm curious if anyone was ever to join the battles? Every time I did, I died. What's the point in allowing you to view the battles if it's just going to kill you?
I've been kind of surprised that EA haven't tried to resurrect their older dune games, 2000 or emperor, to capitalise on popularity of the new movies.
Have seen EA making sensible business moves in 21st century? This company just cant stop catching Ls
I'd bet you money it's a licensing issue
They can't do that since the Herbert Estate is a nightmare.
i never completely saw emperor as a direct sequel to dune 2000 i always saw it as different timeline.
The games weren't exactly what you'd call "faithful adaptations" but Westwood made an entirely separate universe and just ran with it.
dune 2 has been ported to android and its clunky control scheme works PERFECTLY with a touchscreen. PLAY IT. i went back and beat all 3 houses on my phone in bed. Such nostalgia.
now i know why we will likely ever see dune 2000 rereleased in the foreseeable future because it is basically now in a rights nightmare.
Dune 2000 was both an nostalgic game in that it had FMV and when I first came across it I knew nothing about the world of Dune. I do remember seeing John Reese Davies as a Harkonnen Commanader.
You should review Spice Wars. It will blow your mind, Its from the same devs of Northgard
THE SPICE MUST FLOW!
I recall playing Dune 2K on an old PS as the first entry into the series as a whole (i was terrible at it). later on when Dune 2 came to mobile, that served as quite the treat to play a classic with very few issues experienced
I do recommend checking out Spice Wars (when it's on sale of course) it's DNA is shared with Northgard but i do enjoy the idea of not necessarily eneding to go gung ho on opponents and instead use subversion and spice to achieve victory. it's a game that suits any playstyle really
It's a shame spice wars doesn't have a campaign with more narrative elements. The gameplay is nice, but there is not much story to it.
Hey Zade, from the video you post which is about CnC glorious return
i notice you talk about Mental Omega and i genuinely hope you make a review about the Mods cause while i sure people have search it about to look it but i sure they don't fully understand what is Mental Omega and assume it just like rise of the red, a multiplayer focus mod that you also mention in the same video
I hope you do a review about the Mod so people can fully understand that it not just a multiplayer mods, it so much more then that and damn it will be glorious
P.S Yes, i aware that Zade talk about Mental Omega in Red alert 2 but it pretty brief honestly and not a full review about it
Yeah that would be a cool video. I'd say it's fairly likely i do a full video on Mental Omega, just not sure when. I'll make sure it's on the list!
Man, if it wasnt for Dune 2000, I wouldnt even know what Dune is. Really good game
Zade, you gotta try DUNE SPICE WARS, its frikking amazing
ok its on the LIST
I love all of these games, no matter how weirdly janky they became over the years.
I am surprised you have not really tried spice wars, it feels very similar to sins of a solar empire.
Dos in the first dune, then u get win 3.1 for dune 2000, westwood rocked it.
This video was short and sweet, just like my piece of pork👍
I played the heck out of Dune 2000 and when I heard of Spice wars I picked it up in EA, it's not my cup of tea sadly, im definitely more into the RTS side of things and Spice Wars did not scratch that itch, sad days.
DUNE AWAKENING looks like it could be a great game, and it has a form of base building in it but from a ground perspective.
Certainly looks like it. We shall see once it comes out!
Zade, you should talk about Deserts of Kharak! It's basically Dune but on the Homeworld setting.
The only thing both have in common, is that it plays on a deteriorating or deteriorated planet?
Already done! ruclips.net/video/m5qf_pdP2oE/видео.html&pp=ygURemFkZSBkZXNlcnRzIG9mIGs%3D
great game
Spice Wars is one of the best strategy games in the last decade tbh
DAMN big praise, ok on the list
@@Zade_95it’s on Gamepass!
Why has no one remastered Dune, or made a Grand Strategy Adventure hybrid. We have hundreds of RTS games like Dune2 but nothing like Dune1. Bizarre.
Deserts of Kharak could be Deserts of Arrkis. Now that Villeneuve has given a final vision of Dune, we could have some Mods!!!
Playing Dune 2000 is simple. Grunt mods and other installers work fine and it runs a treat in PCemu.
I would love for a dune 2000 reimagining
got it installed - will play soon ;-)
Yeah i still play the openRA Dune 2000 time from time it was my fav of the dune games. For me Emperor is like Myth 3 the engine did it no favours.
Yes please!!!!!! Dune 2 was the first PC game that i enjoyed. Cheers.
Dune Spice Wars is available on Xbox Games Pass for PC (if you have that service available in your region). Much better than shelling out full-price~
Spice Wars has become pretty decent. They've changed a bunch since release
c&c generals engine style in emperor.
Dune 2000 is my favorite.
Played Dune 2 a lot as a kid, though never got far in it. Possibly because I was a kid, but I've also read that the CPU massively cheats for its income.
Stupid kid me never realised you could have more than 1 refinery too 😂
oh men defending 2-3 early rushes was a CHALLENGE and those dropships on back of the base... and later rocket attack which required load game somettimes ;-) but with every rush survived U finished up a littll stronger and finally ready for deadly counterattack ;-)
was 8 years old ^^
2:10 kim jong un kicking about in dune
he's vibing for sure
@@Zade_95 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As someone who played Emperor: Battle for Dune at the time, I have to strongly disagree. Emperor looked significantly better than any of the popular competitors at the time (Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge and Empire Earth). However, the nature of early 3D Graphics means that it has aged terribly.
Command and conquer has a console game version (No PC games).
You Should trying to more video like That's.
Dune: Spice Wars is a fantastic game, you'd be a fool not to play it.
is it copypaste of the other viking game? northgard?
@@danielkowalski7527 not at all. It's similar though.
June
har-ko-nen, not har-ken-en, the way they say it in the 1984 movie is the correct way, frank herbert was on set to advise pronounciation
Frank hasnt been on Arrakis so he doesnt know anyway ;P
Dune 2000 still rocks
goes hard
You mean it's too spicy for you ?... 😏
missed opportunity
@@Zade_95
I think I see... 🤔😏
Wth does 4x mean ??
eXplore eXpand eXploit eXterminate . that is the 4 things you do most in this type of strategy game
eXplore, eXpand, eXploit and eXterminate.
Expand
Explore
Exploit
EXTERMINATE
4X as in 4EX
4X games tend to be a certain formula. Civs or AoW are examples
which is ofc wrong for civ-clones games because u can play them in many ways
WIERD
fixed!!!!
Wtf is a 4x
civ clones
And now 'dumcoms' gonna ruin it with their survival game. If you can't get conan right what makes them think they can get dune right?
Dune Spice was is a good game but nit a great game, and the combat in it is downright boring.
God, imagine if we got the off-battlefield interactions in the Tiberium series games. I am sad now.
It's crazy to think that the earliest dune games are closer in the timeline to the original novel than to the present day...