Hello. I’ve been snowboarding for thirty five years now and I have worked in the industry at many different capacities and roles. Thru many years of product testing and R&D I know what I like but I also love to try new designs. For reference I am 6’4”, 250lbs and wear a size 12us with a preferred stance at 24”, 18-23°front, 3-6°back, 1.5-3” setback. When looking at your lineup of snowboards I didn’t even consider the Pipeliner as an option because of the length (185 is a big commitment) and it being narrow. I was drawn to the 170W Cheater more for carving and powder and I am curious about the Biru for a playful volume shifted deck. In my opinion the Pipeliner should be wider for riders with big feet and/or for deep eurocarving. Maybe add a wide or ultra wide size/mold. Taper should be carefully considered as the rear foot is where most booting out problems occur. 27ww is fine if there isn’t a lot of taper. If there is a lot of taper than 27.5-28.0ww should be considered. The added material to make the Pipeliner wide will add weight. So that will be a challenge to keep it relatively light yet damp. The 170W Cheater widths look great on paper and I look forward to trying one. The narrow tail of the 166 Descender is why I didn’t consider it. Your base material and structure is spot on. I’m am glad to see your company putting truly fast bases on the market. Lastly: Do your graphics carry over from year to year? Graphics are always an afterthought for me but I believe that carry over graphics are the way forward for snowboard production. Keep up the good work. I look forward to trying a Stranda and possibly bringing some into the shop. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
If it’s a dedicated carver, I suggest maximizing its effective edge relative to its length, and do not skimp on width-29 cm minimum, to accommodate larger feet while reducing boot-out. I am size 12; my custom softboot carver is 30.5-for railing turns, it affords fantastic high-edge angles absent boot-out. A game changer. I always prefer too profiles shifted enough forward to handle forward weighted heel turns without folding, and variable radii over 11 generally increasing from fore to aft for pegged turn-in and less hooky, faster exits. I would not bother trying to accommodate off piste design attributes if it’s to be a dedicated carver; if that’s what it is, do not compromise on its carving performance. Look forward to what you come up with.
I just ordered the bird 154 for a party board ,can’t wait to try it , I’m on a amplifier pentaquark and snommolier, love both boards , also have lots of time on the freecave 9000 jones . for some reason I can go faster and lay a deeper more perfect trench with the snommolier it’s a swallowtail that’s fairly soft with a wide nose lots of taper. I ride low angle soft boots size 10 so need a wide board I tend to carve at high speeds between 30 and 50 miles an hour initiate my carbs in front of my front foot don’t really rely on the tail for much would love to try this board in a wider width. I bought two or three new boards a year mostly centered around carving and I’m looking forward to riding one of your boards . I live in New England mostly hard groomers and I ride 100+ days a year and love carving .
I live east coast we have awesome snow this winter ('24) I ride similar style except I use my back foot for spraying snow or side hits... so +27 and +3/+6. I don't want too wide a board as edge change is slow unless you put a lot of effort into it. Waiting for a damp board which can soak up what hard snow has to offer and still dig moderate trenches. Biru or Cheater perhaps? Not sure...
Senseless video. You already built the best Snowboard in the world, the Stranda :D Jokes aside, I think it is unique that a snowboard company is searching for feedback of their users in this way! Looking forward to buy a Standa in Austria soon :)
Hi Matts, snowboarder from Australia here (24yrs). Absolutely love what you doing with your shapes and am very interested in them. I started to love carving about 5 years ago when i got my Korua dart 160 and finally had no boot out from my binding heel cups (278mm waist, US9.5/10 boots, 27/9 binding angles). Still riding that board and loving it but can definitely feel the limitations on firmer/steeper groomers. The pipeliner is the board of yours I'm most interested for taking my carving to steeper terrain - 27 would be a pretty good width for me so would be stoked to see you update it! I'd be buying mainly for carving, but would still want the board to work well on groomers as they soften up through the day. Out of interest, where is the factory that makes your boards located or do you make them yourself in Sweden? I couldn't find that info and would be great to know. Cheers, Tom
That is the question, isn't it. I guess focusing it as a pure carver makes sense and I personally would consider a board like that for the job. But even a board like this would fall strictly in the pure carver category for me (I ride 256 waist freestyle deck with size 10 boots and duck stance about 80% of the time and a board like this would absolutely not be my pick for deep snow fun) I know I wouldn't be able to make up my mind about it, especially if it got wider. My current carver is a 171 wwide, and while it's good, I can't help but to also kinda hate it. Fast carving and the delayed edge to edge transitions of wide decks always feels like a self defeating combination to me. I might be prone to just slamming the bindings to ridiculous 90's hard boot angles to get rid of toedrag and opt for a slimmer board just to have more of that "I'm riding a rail that wants to kill me" feeling that I thoroughly enjoy with fast carvers. And to elaborate the very reason my carver is as wide as it is and I tolerate the delayed response is because I ride it with duck and do a lot of switch. No taper, just modest stance setback. So if I were to buy a canoe intented to primarly go one way, I'd definitely look to go as narrow as I can, even if I had to ride retarded angles. I know my position might be an odd one out, but I think it might be worth considering just making some width options, there simply cant be a one size fits all boots option to this.
1. Right 2. Right 3. For mer the Pipeliner is gen2 since I still have the pleasure of riding the AlpinePunk Super Swede (191). Love the Pipeliner I will probably sign upp for the next one! /lars
Hello Mats. - just saw Lars making some gorgeous turns on his prototype Pipeliner - the graphics on production model look very nice. Please put me down on the wait list and let me know when you’re ready to take orders😎 I just love the look of my new Cheater too - and the high gloss finish is gorgeous - first turns this week 🍾🍾🍾
As someone who’s boarded for 30 years and I’m torn between a Decender and a Biru, this is extremely interesting. My shoe size is a UK 8, but my boots are surprisingly big (actual length 300mm) so the 270mm waist sounds interesting. I weigh about 90kg in my gear and I do worry that the Decender will be too narrow. I like to carve + play in powder, so I like a fun responsive board that I can manage in all conditions and no hard on ice. In summary, what you’re proposing sounds good. I’ll be going to my local Stranda dealer the Sick and Wrong in Keswick England, later in the week. Any thoughts + advice much appreciated. PS. As a side note, I envy the fact that you’ve set up the company while equipped with a grey beard.
Hi Mats. Sorry to miss your presentation. What is the sidecut radius of the three segments? I'm trying to get a baseline myself.. there's two guys I've seen who are great carvers (like world class... not just "great") One is your man Lars and the other is a pal of mine named James Cherry from Revelstoke. Lars seems to get on well with your existing boards, while James is custom only JJA (Jasey Jay) boards. The latter goes for titanal, race layups, long sidecuts (minimum 10M) and wouldn't likely have anything built for him under 29 ww. Interestingly, both of these guys are 130 lbs soaking wet and very fit, with rock climber builds. Off the charts strength to weight in other words, allowing them to do things positionally that someone my size would struggle with (6'1" / 220 lbs). I think it's notable that these two riders have very similar styles, but appear to ride very different equipment. In that way, you could say that either could ride each others boards and do well, which means you might not want to get too bogged down in certain things, but only focus on the similarities between their boards. These similarities would work for me too. What they have and what I'd ideally see is to make the Pipeliner wider. 27 would be that minimum, but if you went a cm more (29 at the inserts more or less) riders with bigger feet who might gravitate towards a board above 180 would consider buying one. Anyone who thinks they need a long board is probably sophisticated in terms of their general knowledge of other things they want, so it's unlikely that you'd find a rider who knows he wants a big board, who also thinks it can be 27 wide or under. If the length matches the width, you'll make more sales. A 180 with a 28 waist just makes sense. Those dimensions will make it a more challenging ride, but as a pure carver, it would be great. The outline should allow it to be manageable off the groomers by a better rider. I would ask why you're going with full camber? The early rise nose with camber from the front foot back is a bit more forgiving while not limiting the performance on edge, in my mind. Like the Cheater. Lastly, I'd say whatever you do, make the last part of the sidecut tighter than the rest to bring the board around at the end of the turn... like 8.5 / 10 / 8.
Hey Rob, thanks for taking time here. I’m doing 8/10.5/9 side cut. The 8 is just in the uppermost part. By full camber I’m pushing the truth a bit here as it’s an early rise shape. 😊 A 28 waist doesn’t make sense for anyone size 10.5 and down. And if you are an old skool posi rider a board that wide won’t work. We have the 275 waist Cheater 170 for the big foot and Descender 166 with 273 waist. But your points are taken. So grateful getting valuable insights here. Jasey Jay was and still is a top racer. /Mats
Hi Rob! Thank you for the compliments and kind words.... wow.... I'm a size 10.5 boot and ride a 28 mondo in a Ride Insano (very small footprint). I usually ride 30/+9 and the Pipeliner forces me to go 36/+18. Anything below 18 on the backfoot on this board, and I'm booting out. So I fully agree with the 270 waist width Mats is planning. It's my perfect waist where I don't have to be careful. Anyhow, the main issue is the one of a small company making a niche product: of course offering two or even three waist widths on any board would be the dream..... but this particular market is so insanely small that Mats is forced to find a waist that will work for 'most people' in this segment. I agree with you, 28 and up as a waist for some real big guys or very extreme carvers, sure! But on a 185 that can also become a total plank with no life. It is a tough balance to be found, and after all come down to money. Hopefully the brand can keep growing and eventually offer all those awesome things for all those very different people. Take care! L*
Hi Mats! Pontus her that you met onn Flotsbro and Cervinia for 3 yers ago. A you may remember I ride a a few Donek boards. My last bord si a Donek Flux custom 172cm and 29cm ww, 155 cm EE with aa´ early rice and a custom powder nose . That board Is a game changer for me. i ride 30/12 angle with US 11,5. I have ridden a lot of boards with different ww and I don't feel any difference between 27,5 cm to 29 ww in mater of edge to edge speed. What I think matter most is the stiffness to your weight (me 110 kg) and side cut radius. Dampness is also part of it because you can do bigger turns hi speed. The flux has 9-11 vsr and I have plenty of time to set my self up to next turn. And I feel it's very quick and nimble on groomers. For my style of riding I wouldn't go under 28 ww to feel safe in high-speed carvs. If you are in Stockholm please let me know if you going to bring a prototype to Flotsbro I would love to see and test it. And you can try my board to see the different specs and feel.
28mm waist is enough. I’d buy it for carving specifically. It’s gonna be tough to justify taking it into powder because it’s full camber (also who wants to run the chance of hitting rocks, tree stumps, and frozen pinecones with their pristine ~$700 board). Something that Nitro does to make their full camber freeride boards float easier is making a flex point right in front of the rear inserts. This was my experience on the Nitro Alternator. This lets the rider push their back foot down easier and lets the nose of the board poke out over soft snow easier. It also allows for some torsional twisting to make turning an overall stiff board more manageable.
Hello Matts: I have had the pleasure of riding a Pipeliner 185 at our small local hill demo as well as the Cheater 200! Just to set the stage, It was the middle of January with Groomed ICE conditions... I have Size 12 feet and am quite heavy at 105 kg. I have been snowboarding since 1979 and have had hundreds of boards over the years. (15 years as Burton rep) ... So here goes. I have certainly been won over by your designs, quality and out of the box thinking. I currently own a Treesurfer 162, Bowlrider 165 and a Cheater 170W . We have groomed snow 98% of the year. With regards to width on your new Pipeliner design, please be careful to not go too wide. With Size 12 feet I would rather ride with 30/15 angles than have a board that feels slow edge to edge, because it's too wide. (Unfortunately this is the case with my Cheater 170W, I wish I had bought the regular width) Honestly I found the OG Pipeliner and Cheater 200 easier to transition from edge to edge than my Cheater 170W! So if I was to offer any advice, Do not go over 270mm waist width for the new Pipeliner. I fully realize that ALL riders have their own preferences... so this brings up the suggestion of maybe a Pipeliner and a Pipeliner wide. 260 like the original and perhaps a 270 for riders who prefer relaxed angles. Out of the 3 Strandas I own, believe it or not the Tree Surfer carves the best for our varied conditions. Edge hold is your magic bullet and what ever you design, please make that Feature # 1 . Please take the time to thank Lars for such great representation of your brand and helping to put your Ideas on snow. If it was not for his efforts, I would not have been able to provide you with this feedback. If you would like any more constructive feedback please feel free to reach out, I will gladly help in anyway I can. All the best, keep on Trenching :) Scott.
Hey Scott, thanks for this elaborate post. So cool to have you on Strandas. And thanks for the great feedback. Lars told me about your passion and history in snowboarding. I totally agree with you, width slows edge to edge transitioning down. That's why I hesitate going over 270 on such a big board. And why I reached to you guys. Feedback is needed. The 200 is really effortless to get on edge as it has a more contemporary early rise comp to Pipeliner. It's not just waist. I'm incorporating some of that in to the EVO Pipeliner. I'm gonna mull on 2 widths for a while. And yeah, Lars i da man! Trench digger supremo in Fernie!
@@StrandaSnowboards I suppose you have to accept some "loss" in transition if you want to generate high edge angles with low stance angles. I'm 28 and 0 with a size 10, so anything under 27 is a non starter. I don't see the width differential between 26 and 28 as that troublesome... If you can adjust your timing and execution, you can adapt. Forgive me for implying that Scott Currie, an Alberta OG, might need a tehnique tweak rather that keep a board this long as narrow as it is now. His point about a wide option is spot on though. As is the early rise comment.
Toe / heal drag are death to carving hard on steep slopes. It is relative easy to find a narrow dedicated carving board that is insanely fast edge to edge, but forces even folks with small feet to ride high angles. Most people don’t find dedicated carving boards & very high angles much fun to ride anywhere but groomers. I’d vote for the option for a wider 185 Pipeliner to give people the option to ride at lower angles without toe / heel drag on a board that can trench a groomed runs and is still fun to ride off the groomed runs.
I would buy a pipeliner wide if it’s was 275mm+ waist. I am US11.5 with 27/6 angles and my Cheater170W provides just enough clearance on steeper, softer groomed slopes under foot. Maybe everyone who wanted a regular width pipeliner already bought one. Please don’t redesign it - I want to ride the original, I just need a wide. Hopefully next winter, US10+ guys finally get to feel how amazing the pipeliner is?! PS: Also hoping for a shorty 169W in future too!
Hey there, nothing is set in stone, still just a drawing. And prototyping is needed. I’m taking it all in. Sales has been small but steady for the Pipeliner. Even I would appreciate a tad wider so it has been on the radar for a while and doing a new mold is when you have the chance to upgrade the design from 7 years of real life product development. Yup a wide 169 Shorty is def on the plan im the future.
As a big rider 6’6” / 210 lbs (95kg) / size 14 foot (30.5) who loves to carve and rides hard boots *everywhere*, I love the idea of a wider Pipeliner 185. My all time favorite snowboard is a Glissade 185 “Big Gun”. (Sadly I haven’t yet had an opportunity to ride a Stranda Pipeliner.) Compared to the Pipeliner, the Big Gun had 3cm longer effective edge, 0.6 cm wider waist, 11.04 meter radius (vs 10.5 on the Pipeliner). The Big Gun had insane edge grip, high-speed stability, and would dig trenches on “winch-cat” steep groomers with confidence, but was also an absolute joy to ride in powder, Sierra cement, and chopped up snow. Lots of snowboards are a blast to ride on untracked powder, but not many can turn a steep slope with chopped up heavy snow into a buttery smooth playground. Full specs on the Big Gun here: www.glissadesnowboards.com/specs_bg.htm From the description and the specs, the Pipeliner looks like a modern take on the Big Gun. If it is durable enough to stand up to a big guy carving on hard plates… SIGN ME UP!
Hi Wayer, thanks for your feedback. Checking specs on the Glissade it looks a bit more “alpine”. Specs looks awesome. And similar to one of my Alpinepunk shapes. I think the new Pipeliner will work with hard boots, but with softer plates so there is some more play. Stay posted for updates. Cheers
I am 6’3” 215lbs and the Glissade Big Gun 195 is also one of my very favorite carving boards of all time. It has tremendous edge hold and is so, so damp.
@@wayer Yes, I do ride it, but only on uncrowded days and runs (safety). No, I haven't found a board that matches its edge hold. I think what sets it apart is its combination of hyper-damp construction (the gummy, rubberized topsheet) and long effective edge. My go-to softboot carver is a Donek Sabre 170 / 30.5 waist Sabre with 11-13 SCR; its width allows very high edge angles and thus shorter radius and safer turns for more crowded slopes than I'll run the Big Gun. I too would love to try a Pipeliner but I'll need a lot of width before plunking down cash.
I would use it exclusively for carving if it’s going to be longer than 165cm. I prefer throwing a board about and occasionally riding switch in powder.
1. Take my money! I need a good carver for groomers. 2. I have 10.5 (35/15)and for example Cheater 170W has been perfect for me. So Pipeliner W would be awesome. Other comment: add a bit of aloha into the graphics. :)
Hello Mats - I would get a new Pipeliner for carving (have other great powder boards) - I have size 12US and I ride high angles F/39-R/30 - with softboots and 27-28cm would work just fine. I just started riding hardboots and I may throw some F2s on it that I ride 3 degrees higher - count me in for next season. Best wishes for 2024
You should offer 2 versions. A 260 and a 270 or 275 mm waist width. The nose should have a decambered section, 10 to 15 cm behind the contact point. Some soft snow and powder compatibility makes sense considering this board's dimensions.
I always ask myself why brands exclude us12/13/14 riders and carvers... everything nelow 27.5 waist width is a waste.... 27.5-27.8 is my go to with us13... You have a little overlap with the dupraz d1 but go for it, love those boards
Hey Moritz, we have the Cheater 170 wide with a 275 waist! Descender 166 has a 273 waist but is as wide as the cheater at inserts due to tighter radius. And I'm listening to you guys. That's why I did this vid...
It is a money thing and it s very unfortunate! Why do board shops not offer the same amount of 13+ boots as size 10? Same story! Very small user group relatively to the the amount of riders overall. It sucks! But I think it's part of reality. The Pipeliner is already aiming at a tiny group of people, since the snowboard industry has successfully knocked the idea of riding longer boards out of people's heads..... Mats is facing a double niche problem here, hahaha... Very hard to make a good decision on this one!
As you go up in length every board manufacturer makes the boards wider so why is the pipeliner disproportionately narrow for its length? I think 185cm regular width is a much smaller niche than 185wide. Hopefully board brands of the future will offer every length they sell in 3 different widths instead of making gimmick single width boards to pump sales unsustainably, and glossing over how important board width is for proper turning.
@@rikobananas6 10 years ago a 26 was wide. Not long ago a normal waist was 245 ish. Now 270 is mid wide…. For me longboards aren’t specifically for big guys. It’s a way f riding. I’m 80 kg and 178. I love low surfy turns and the float of a longboard. So there’s 2 things going on here. We have wide shorter boards which sells very well to bigger guys with large feet. Pipeliner is a special board for special riders.
Love that you're doing this. However, to me, offering a board at one size only makes little sense. Riders come in such a wide range of weights (affecting float in pow), heights (affecting stance widths), and boot sizes that it seems to me one size simply can't fit a wide range of riders. I get and appreciate the idea of niche boards, but there will still be a wide variety of rider sizes (as detailed above) in that niche. I can understand not offering a range like the big manufacturers do, but I would think even a "small, medium and large" would be an improvement in their accessibility to riders.
The Pipeliner is my most aggressive board and my first choice on groomers. I don't ride it in other conditions. It's a complete game changer for carving. I absolutely enjoy bombing down the mountain with it too. The aggressive, locked-in feeling on this board is the best I've ever experienced. I shouldn't be on this board though. I have a USA size 13 foot so I ride my Pipeliner with Bomber Power Plates. A wider board would allow me to shed the heavy power plate system. I am looking forward to you making changes on the Pipeliner. It's a special board. To my knowledge, it at least in my experience, nothing else like it exists. Thank you for creating this epic board! 🤙
I cant wait til someone starts stocking your boards in Australia! They look so fuckn sick!
Hello. I’ve been snowboarding for thirty five years now and I have worked in the industry at many different capacities and roles. Thru many years of product testing and R&D I know what I like but I also love to try new designs. For reference I am 6’4”, 250lbs and wear a size 12us with a preferred stance at 24”, 18-23°front, 3-6°back, 1.5-3” setback.
When looking at your lineup of snowboards I didn’t even consider the Pipeliner as an option because of the length (185 is a big commitment) and it being narrow. I was drawn to the 170W Cheater more for carving and powder and I am curious about the Biru for a playful volume shifted deck.
In my opinion the Pipeliner should be wider for riders with big feet and/or for deep eurocarving. Maybe add a wide or ultra wide size/mold. Taper should be carefully considered as the rear foot is where most booting out problems occur. 27ww is fine if there isn’t a lot of taper. If there is a lot of taper than 27.5-28.0ww should be considered. The added material to make the Pipeliner wide will add weight. So that will be a challenge to keep it relatively light yet damp. The 170W Cheater widths look great on paper and I look forward to trying one. The narrow tail of the 166 Descender is why I didn’t consider it.
Your base material and structure is spot on. I’m am glad to see your company putting truly fast bases on the market.
Lastly: Do your graphics carry over from year to year? Graphics are always an afterthought for me but I believe that carry over graphics are the way forward for snowboard production.
Keep up the good work. I look forward to trying a Stranda and possibly bringing some into the shop. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
If it’s a dedicated carver, I suggest maximizing its effective edge relative to its length, and do not skimp on width-29 cm minimum, to accommodate larger feet while reducing boot-out. I am size 12; my custom softboot carver is 30.5-for railing turns, it affords fantastic high-edge angles absent boot-out. A game changer. I always prefer too profiles shifted enough forward to handle forward weighted heel turns without folding, and variable radii over 11 generally increasing from fore to aft for pegged turn-in and less hooky, faster exits. I would not bother trying to accommodate off piste design attributes if it’s to be a dedicated carver; if that’s what it is, do not compromise on its carving performance. Look forward to what you come up with.
Thanks TM for feedback. Width wise I think 29 is a bit to much. Especially for a 185. I agree no point in design for free ride, just what I guessed.
I just ordered the bird 154 for a party board ,can’t wait to try it , I’m on a amplifier pentaquark and snommolier, love both boards , also have lots of time on the freecave 9000 jones . for some reason I can go faster and lay a deeper more perfect trench with the snommolier it’s a swallowtail that’s fairly soft with a wide nose lots of taper. I ride low angle soft boots size 10 so need a wide board I tend to carve at high speeds between 30 and 50 miles an hour initiate my carbs in front of my front foot don’t really rely on the tail for much would love to try this board in a wider width.
I bought two or three new boards a year mostly centered around carving and I’m looking forward to riding one of your boards . I live in New England mostly hard groomers and I ride 100+ days a year and love carving .
I live east coast we have awesome snow this winter ('24) I ride similar style except I use my back foot for spraying snow or side hits... so +27 and +3/+6. I don't want too wide a board as edge change is slow unless you put a lot of effort into it. Waiting for a damp board which can soak up what hard snow has to offer and still dig moderate trenches. Biru or Cheater perhaps? Not sure...
Senseless video. You already built the best Snowboard in the world, the Stranda :D Jokes aside, I think it is unique that a snowboard company is searching for feedback of their users in this way! Looking forward to buy a Standa in Austria soon :)
Hi Matts, snowboarder from Australia here (24yrs). Absolutely love what you doing with your shapes and am very interested in them. I started to love carving about 5 years ago when i got my Korua dart 160 and finally had no boot out from my binding heel cups (278mm waist, US9.5/10 boots, 27/9 binding angles). Still riding that board and loving it but can definitely feel the limitations on firmer/steeper groomers. The pipeliner is the board of yours I'm most interested for taking my carving to steeper terrain - 27 would be a pretty good width for me so would be stoked to see you update it! I'd be buying mainly for carving, but would still want the board to work well on groomers as they soften up through the day. Out of interest, where is the factory that makes your boards located or do you make them yourself in Sweden? I couldn't find that info and would be great to know.
Cheers,
Tom
I’m 6’3 and size 12 boot. Please make an ultra wide version !
That is the question, isn't it. I guess focusing it as a pure carver makes sense and I personally would consider a board like that for the job. But even a board like this would fall strictly in the pure carver category for me (I ride 256 waist freestyle deck with size 10 boots and duck stance about 80% of the time and a board like this would absolutely not be my pick for deep snow fun) I know I wouldn't be able to make up my mind about it, especially if it got wider. My current carver is a 171 wwide, and while it's good, I can't help but to also kinda hate it. Fast carving and the delayed edge to edge transitions of wide decks always feels like a self defeating combination to me. I might be prone to just slamming the bindings to ridiculous 90's hard boot angles to get rid of toedrag and opt for a slimmer board just to have more of that "I'm riding a rail that wants to kill me" feeling that I thoroughly enjoy with fast carvers. And to elaborate the very reason my carver is as wide as it is and I tolerate the delayed response is because I ride it with duck and do a lot of switch. No taper, just modest stance setback. So if I were to buy a canoe intented to primarly go one way, I'd definitely look to go as narrow as I can, even if I had to ride retarded angles. I know my position might be an odd one out, but I think it might be worth considering just making some width options, there simply cant be a one size fits all boots option to this.
1. Right 2. Right 3. For mer the Pipeliner is gen2 since I still have the pleasure of riding the AlpinePunk Super Swede (191). Love the Pipeliner I will probably sign upp for the next one! /lars
Hello Mats. - just saw Lars making some gorgeous turns on his prototype Pipeliner - the graphics on production model look very nice. Please put me down on the wait list and let me know when you’re ready to take orders😎
I just love the look of my new Cheater too - and the high gloss finish is gorgeous - first turns this week 🍾🍾🍾
As someone who’s boarded for 30 years and I’m torn between a Decender and a Biru, this is extremely interesting. My shoe size is a UK 8, but my boots are surprisingly big (actual length 300mm) so the 270mm waist sounds interesting. I weigh about 90kg in my gear and I do worry that the Decender will be too narrow. I like to carve + play in powder, so I like a fun responsive board that I can manage in all conditions and no hard on ice. In summary, what you’re proposing sounds good. I’ll be going to my local Stranda dealer the Sick and Wrong in Keswick England, later in the week. Any thoughts + advice much appreciated. PS. As a side note, I envy the fact that you’ve set up the company while equipped with a grey beard.
Hi Mats. Sorry to miss your presentation.
What is the sidecut radius of the three segments? I'm trying to get a baseline myself.. there's two guys I've seen who are great carvers (like world class... not just "great") One is your man Lars and the other is a pal of mine named James Cherry from Revelstoke. Lars seems to get on well with your existing boards, while James is custom only JJA (Jasey Jay) boards. The latter goes for titanal, race layups, long sidecuts (minimum 10M) and wouldn't likely have anything built for him under 29 ww. Interestingly, both of these guys are 130 lbs soaking wet and very fit, with rock climber builds. Off the charts strength to weight in other words, allowing them to do things positionally that someone my size would struggle with (6'1" / 220 lbs).
I think it's notable that these two riders have very similar styles, but appear to ride very different equipment. In that way, you could say that either could ride each others boards and do well, which means you might not want to get too bogged down in certain things, but only focus on the similarities between their boards. These similarities would work for me too.
What they have and what I'd ideally see is to make the Pipeliner wider. 27 would be that minimum, but if you went a cm more (29 at the inserts more or less) riders with bigger feet who might gravitate towards a board above 180 would consider buying one. Anyone who thinks they need a long board is probably sophisticated in terms of their general knowledge of other things they want, so it's unlikely that you'd find a rider who knows he wants a big board, who also thinks it can be 27 wide or under. If the length matches the width, you'll make more sales. A 180 with a 28 waist just makes sense. Those dimensions will make it a more challenging ride, but as a pure carver, it would be great. The outline should allow it to be manageable off the groomers by a better rider.
I would ask why you're going with full camber? The early rise nose with camber from the front foot back is a bit more forgiving while not limiting the performance on edge, in my mind. Like the Cheater.
Lastly, I'd say whatever you do, make the last part of the sidecut tighter than the rest to bring the board around at the end of the turn... like 8.5 / 10 / 8.
Hey Rob, thanks for taking time here. I’m doing 8/10.5/9 side cut. The 8 is just in the uppermost part. By full camber I’m pushing the truth a bit here as it’s an early rise shape. 😊 A 28 waist doesn’t make sense for anyone size 10.5 and down. And if you are an old skool posi rider a board that wide won’t work. We have the 275 waist Cheater 170 for the big foot and Descender 166 with 273 waist. But your points are taken. So grateful getting valuable insights here. Jasey Jay was and still is a top racer. /Mats
Hi Rob! Thank you for the compliments and kind words.... wow....
I'm a size 10.5 boot and ride a 28 mondo in a Ride Insano (very small footprint).
I usually ride 30/+9 and the Pipeliner forces me to go 36/+18. Anything below 18 on the backfoot on this board, and I'm booting out.
So I fully agree with the 270 waist width Mats is planning. It's my perfect waist where I don't have to be careful. Anyhow, the main issue is the one of a small company making a niche product: of course offering two or even three waist widths on any board would be the dream..... but this particular market is so insanely small that Mats is forced to find a waist that will work for 'most people' in this segment. I agree with you, 28 and up as a waist for some real big guys or very extreme carvers, sure! But on a 185 that can also become a total plank with no life. It is a tough balance to be found, and after all come down to money. Hopefully the brand can keep growing and eventually offer all those awesome things for all those very different people.
Take care! L*
Hi Mats! Pontus her that you met onn Flotsbro and Cervinia for 3 yers ago. A you may remember I ride a a few Donek boards. My last bord si a Donek Flux custom 172cm and 29cm ww, 155 cm EE with aa´ early rice and a custom powder nose . That board Is a game changer for me. i ride 30/12 angle with US 11,5. I have ridden a lot of boards with different ww and I don't feel any difference between 27,5 cm to 29 ww in mater of edge to edge speed. What I think matter most is the stiffness to your weight (me 110 kg) and side cut radius. Dampness is also part of it because you can do bigger turns hi speed. The flux has 9-11 vsr and I have plenty of time to set my self up to next turn. And I feel it's very quick and nimble on groomers. For my style of riding I wouldn't go under 28 ww to feel safe in high-speed carvs. If you are in Stockholm please let me know if you going to bring a prototype to Flotsbro I would love to see and test it. And you can try my board to see the different specs and feel.
28mm waist is enough. I’d buy it for carving specifically. It’s gonna be tough to justify taking it into powder because it’s full camber (also who wants to run the chance of hitting rocks, tree stumps, and frozen pinecones with their pristine ~$700 board). Something that Nitro does to make their full camber freeride boards float easier is making a flex point right in front of the rear inserts. This was my experience on the Nitro Alternator. This lets the rider push their back foot down easier and lets the nose of the board poke out over soft snow easier. It also allows for some torsional twisting to make turning an overall stiff board more manageable.
Hello Matts: I have had the pleasure of riding a Pipeliner 185 at our small local hill demo as well as the Cheater 200! Just to set the stage, It was the middle of January with Groomed ICE conditions... I have Size 12 feet and am quite heavy at 105 kg. I have been snowboarding since 1979 and have had hundreds of boards over the years. (15 years as Burton rep) ... So here goes. I have certainly been won over by your designs, quality and out of the box thinking. I currently own a Treesurfer 162, Bowlrider 165 and a Cheater 170W . We have groomed snow 98% of the year. With regards to width on your new Pipeliner design, please be careful to not go too wide. With Size 12 feet I would rather ride with 30/15 angles than have a board that feels slow edge to edge, because it's too wide. (Unfortunately this is the case with my Cheater 170W, I wish I had bought the regular width) Honestly I found the OG Pipeliner and Cheater 200 easier to transition from edge to edge than my Cheater 170W! So if I was to offer any advice, Do not go over 270mm waist width for the new Pipeliner. I fully realize that ALL riders have their own preferences... so this brings up the suggestion of maybe a Pipeliner and a Pipeliner wide. 260 like the original and perhaps a 270 for riders who prefer relaxed angles. Out of the 3 Strandas I own, believe it or not the Tree Surfer carves the best for our varied conditions. Edge hold is your magic bullet and what ever you design, please make that Feature # 1 . Please take the time to thank Lars for such great representation of your brand and helping to put your Ideas on snow. If it was not for his efforts, I would not have been able to provide you with this feedback. If you would like any more constructive feedback please feel free to reach out, I will gladly help in anyway I can. All the best, keep on Trenching :) Scott.
Hey Scott, thanks for this elaborate post. So cool to have you on Strandas. And thanks for the great feedback. Lars told me about your passion and history in snowboarding. I totally agree with you, width slows edge to edge transitioning down. That's why I hesitate going over 270 on such a big board. And why I reached to you guys. Feedback is needed. The 200 is really effortless to get on edge as it has a more contemporary early rise comp to Pipeliner. It's not just waist. I'm incorporating some of that in to the EVO Pipeliner. I'm gonna mull on 2 widths for a while. And yeah, Lars i da man! Trench digger supremo in Fernie!
@@StrandaSnowboards I suppose you have to accept some "loss" in transition if you want to generate high edge angles with low stance angles. I'm 28 and 0 with a size 10, so anything under 27 is a non starter.
I don't see the width differential between 26 and 28 as that troublesome... If you can adjust your timing and execution, you can adapt. Forgive me for implying that Scott Currie, an Alberta OG, might need a tehnique tweak rather that keep a board this long as narrow as it is now. His point about a wide option is spot on though. As is the early rise comment.
Toe / heal drag are death to carving hard on steep slopes. It is relative easy to find a narrow dedicated carving board that is insanely fast edge to edge, but forces even folks with small feet to ride high angles.
Most people don’t find dedicated carving boards & very high angles much fun to ride anywhere but groomers. I’d vote for the option for a wider 185 Pipeliner to give people the option to ride at lower angles without toe / heel drag on a board that can trench a groomed runs and is still fun to ride off the groomed runs.
I would buy a pipeliner wide if it’s was 275mm+ waist.
I am US11.5 with 27/6 angles and my Cheater170W provides just enough clearance on steeper, softer groomed slopes under foot.
Maybe everyone who wanted a regular width pipeliner already bought one.
Please don’t redesign it - I want to ride the original, I just need a wide.
Hopefully next winter, US10+ guys finally get to feel how amazing the pipeliner is?!
PS: Also hoping for a shorty 169W in future too!
Hey there, nothing is set in stone, still just a drawing. And prototyping is needed. I’m taking it all in. Sales has been small but steady for the Pipeliner. Even I would appreciate a tad wider so it has been on the radar for a while and doing a new mold is when you have the chance to upgrade the design from 7 years of real life product development. Yup a wide 169 Shorty is def on the plan im the future.
As a big rider 6’6” / 210 lbs (95kg) / size 14 foot (30.5) who loves to carve and rides hard boots *everywhere*, I love the idea of a wider Pipeliner 185.
My all time favorite snowboard is a Glissade 185 “Big Gun”. (Sadly I haven’t yet had an opportunity to ride a Stranda Pipeliner.) Compared to the Pipeliner, the Big Gun had 3cm longer effective edge, 0.6 cm wider waist, 11.04 meter radius (vs 10.5 on the Pipeliner).
The Big Gun had insane edge grip, high-speed stability, and would dig trenches on “winch-cat” steep groomers with confidence, but was also an absolute joy to ride in powder, Sierra cement, and chopped up snow. Lots of snowboards are a blast to ride on untracked powder, but not many can turn a steep slope with chopped up heavy snow into a buttery smooth playground.
Full specs on the Big Gun here: www.glissadesnowboards.com/specs_bg.htm
From the description and the specs, the Pipeliner looks like a modern take on the Big Gun. If it is durable enough to stand up to a big guy carving on hard plates… SIGN ME UP!
Hi Wayer, thanks for your feedback. Checking specs on the Glissade it looks a bit more “alpine”. Specs looks awesome. And similar to one of my Alpinepunk shapes. I think the new Pipeliner will work with hard boots, but with softer plates so there is some more play. Stay posted for updates. Cheers
I am 6’3” 215lbs and the Glissade Big Gun 195 is also one of my very favorite carving boards of all time. It has tremendous edge hold and is so, so damp.
@@sugarplumflyjelly Are you still riding your 195 Big Gun? If not, what is the closest you've come to the Big Gun for edge hold?
@@wayer Yes, I do ride it, but only on uncrowded days and runs (safety). No, I haven't found a board that matches its edge hold. I think what sets it apart is its combination of hyper-damp construction (the gummy, rubberized topsheet) and long effective edge. My go-to softboot carver is a Donek Sabre 170 / 30.5 waist Sabre with 11-13 SCR; its width allows very high edge angles and thus shorter radius and safer turns for more crowded slopes than I'll run the Big Gun. I too would love to try a Pipeliner but I'll need a lot of width before plunking down cash.
I would use it exclusively for carving if it’s going to be longer than 165cm. I prefer throwing a board about and occasionally riding switch in powder.
1. Take my money! I need a good carver for groomers.
2. I have 10.5 (35/15)and for example Cheater 170W has been perfect for me. So Pipeliner W would be awesome.
Other comment: add a bit of aloha into the graphics. :)
Hey Vesku, I'm happy to take the $$$$ ;) Looking in to aloha. Cheers /Mats
Hello Mats - I would get a new Pipeliner for carving (have other great powder boards) - I have size 12US and I ride high angles F/39-R/30 - with softboots and 27-28cm would work just fine. I just started riding hardboots and I may throw some F2s on it that I ride 3 degrees higher - count me in for next season. Best wishes for 2024
You should offer 2 versions. A 260 and a 270 or 275 mm waist width. The nose should have a decambered section, 10 to 15 cm behind the contact point. Some soft snow and powder compatibility makes sense considering this board's dimensions.
I always ask myself why brands exclude us12/13/14 riders and carvers... everything nelow 27.5 waist width is a waste.... 27.5-27.8 is my go to with us13... You have a little overlap with the dupraz d1 but go for it, love those boards
Hey Moritz, we have the Cheater 170 wide with a 275 waist! Descender 166 has a 273 waist but is as wide as the cheater at inserts due to tighter radius. And I'm listening to you guys. That's why I did this vid...
It is a money thing and it s very unfortunate! Why do board shops not offer the same amount of 13+ boots as size 10? Same story! Very small user group relatively to the the amount of riders overall. It sucks! But I think it's part of reality. The Pipeliner is already aiming at a tiny group of people, since the snowboard industry has successfully knocked the idea of riding longer boards out of people's heads..... Mats is facing a double niche problem here, hahaha... Very hard to make a good decision on this one!
@@StrandaSnowboards love that
As you go up in length every board manufacturer makes the boards wider so why is the pipeliner disproportionately narrow for its length? I think 185cm regular width is a much smaller niche than 185wide. Hopefully board brands of the future will offer every length they sell in 3 different widths instead of making gimmick single width boards to pump sales unsustainably, and glossing over how important board width is for proper turning.
@@rikobananas6 10 years ago a 26 was wide. Not long ago a normal waist was 245 ish. Now 270 is mid wide…. For me longboards aren’t specifically for big guys. It’s a way f riding. I’m 80 kg and 178. I love low surfy turns and the float of a longboard. So there’s 2 things going on here. We have wide shorter boards which sells very well to bigger guys with large feet. Pipeliner is a special board for special riders.
Love that you're doing this. However, to me, offering a board at one size only makes little sense. Riders come in such a wide range of weights (affecting float in pow), heights (affecting stance widths), and boot sizes that it seems to me one size simply can't fit a wide range of riders. I get and appreciate the idea of niche boards, but there will still be a wide variety of rider sizes (as detailed above) in that niche. I can understand not offering a range like the big manufacturers do, but I would think even a "small, medium and large" would be an improvement in their accessibility to riders.
LIve chatt dissapeared for me. Sorry guys.
I'd like to see a slightly longer sidecut, taller camber, a bit less nose and no wider thn current.
Interresting. Sidecut is11.5 now. Camber 13 mm. What's your shoe size?
@@StrandaSnowboards I'm a 9/27, but also run taller angles.
@@WinterBicycles Yeah, just like me. That works, but getting it a little wider won't hurt i think.
The Pipeliner is my most aggressive board and my first choice on groomers. I don't ride it in other conditions. It's a complete game changer for carving. I absolutely enjoy bombing down the mountain with it too. The aggressive, locked-in feeling on this board is the best I've ever experienced.
I shouldn't be on this board though. I have a USA size 13 foot so I ride my Pipeliner with Bomber Power Plates. A wider board would allow me to shed the heavy power plate system.
I am looking forward to you making changes on the Pipeliner. It's a special board. To my knowledge, it at least in my experience, nothing else like it exists. Thank you for creating this epic board! 🤙