Night Springs | Dream of Dreams (Analysis)
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2023
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Night Springs is probably the longest running sub plot in the Remedy setting. A simple TV show that rose up and took on a life of its own. First appearing in Alan Wake, it has shown up in every subsequent game. A mysterious town where weird things happen. But the town sometimes is a real place.
What is the nature of this mysterious town? How do the events in the episodes eventually become real? At the end of the day, What is Night Springs really?
In today's episode breakdown we will be focusing on the episode, Dream of Dreams. Mr. Jones walks through a dreamscape, believing himself to be the creator of this reality. Only to discover, someone else is dreaming him up.
Night Springs | Dream of Dreams (Analysis)
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In the end of control, Dylan says. "My sister had a dream and the whole world was dreaming with her"
Lots of potential there
One thing I would point out is that, at the tail end of the episode, the person "Mr. Jones" is talking to cant hear the alarm clock, whereas Mr. Jones can. That person then says, "It's you!! Please! I got a wife and kid". I am pretty sure that Mr. Jones is exactly what he thinks he is, the dreamer dreaming all of it up. The sleeping person is a red herring.
What I find so nice about this is, how this entire thing is effectively a representation of how artists can create a "universe" through their work.
Like how a booth author can create an entire world with history, lore, etc in a book series. Or as an example... Just imagine the SCP wiki... It's fictional, yet through so many writers and collaborators has it gained a very detailed and creative universe of its own. It doesn't exist, yet you have so much to pretty much make one if you had the power for it...
Kind of a random thing to say here... Just wanted it out of my system xD
As a huge fan of these games, this is a great series
Glad you enjoy these! Cant wait to see if we get more In the sequel
There’s also the slightly possibility of this being a reference to how the universe of Alan Wake is just a universe within a game, as one of Dylan’s dreams at the end of control.
Also I couldn’t stop thinking about Final Fantasy X plot about a dreaming world and spirits dreaming characters into existence. Anyways, another great video.
Man can’t wait until October,I love the Alan wake community we all have that love for the strange and mysterious. So happy im apart of this community.🤓
80 days left! My PTO is being used so I can play the game.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Haha that's awesome. What a year for gamers! I don't have enough time to keep up with great games this year.
Hey. Here's a question. If Alan's basically guiding his journey by writing from the Dark Place, can we be sure that the episodes we see aren't his creations? Even if Barry states otherwise, it could've been Alan that has written this line. Likewise, he could've willed this episode into existence.
This is probably getting too meta, but a fun idea nonetheless.
Everything here is meta lol. No getting around it
Another gem. Fantastic watch. I need to reinstall Alan Wake to play the DLC. I guess I never got around to playing those, which is strange. I feel like the DLC is a Mandela Effect because I never even remember them releasing or being reviewed. Weird.
I just can’t wait for your analysis on Absence of Creativity, this one got me obsessed until this day.
I believe that is the next one on the list!
Great analysis. I've been looking forward to the new episode
Planning to get the whole series done by the time AW2 is out.
I love the comparison to the dance of Shiva. In Shaivite tradition, Shiva isn't just the supreme god of reality, but is synonymous with reality itself. So even when Shiva stops dancing, it's not as though anything will cease to be; all is part of Shiva, and Shiva will still be there. Likewise when a dreamer wakes up, it's not as though part of their mind has ceased to be. The idea touches on some really deep conceptions about what is means to live.
100% I just love that Shiva appeared when Vishnu and Brahma were trying to argue amongst themselves. Then the God of Reality shows up and sort of makes them feel silly lol.
It just makes me sad that Shiva is associated as the Destroyer. Such a western viewpoint. Versus the cycle of the life / death dynamic.
Weirdly enough, I learned while working on this that the book series Remo William's is based on is a nod to Shiva. It is called the Destroyer series because Master Chun believed Remo to be the modern incarnation of the god.
@@GamingUniversityUoG The thing is Hinduism isn't really one religion, it's a bunch of different religions that we kind of try to pretend are just one. Under the Shaivite tradition, Shiva is ultimate reality, and assumes the avatar of Aghora when he acts as the destroyer. In Vaishnavism, Vishnu is ultimate reality, and assumes the avatar of Shiva when he acts as the destroyer. The attempts to kind of make them co-equal strikes me as a compromise that not many people went with, but is kind of treated as the 'truth' of "Hinduism" when people try to explain it to westerners.
This episode popped into my head during Alan Wake II's NG+
*spoilers for Alan Wake II New Game + aka The Final Draft*
When we see Dr. Darling he asks who the 'dreamer' of this place (The Dark Place) is. He hones in on Alan talking via his radio and asks "Is this the dreamer?"
He obviously must be; since the entirety of their Dark Place is NYC from Alan's mind. It doesn't seem to be very influenced by anyone else, with only subtle inclusions of them.
Here's to one of my favorite RUclipsrs! I love your Control content especially, but it's all good! Could you cover Republique?!
This episode also feels incredibly relevant to the *ALAN WAKE 2 SPOILER*
Dr Darling videos in the final draft!
The alarmclock ticking towards 12 makes me think of the statement "the world stands at 2 minutes to midnight" which is referring to how close nuclear war/the end of the world is from happening at any given moment
I believe that Thomas didn't created Alan, just conected his destiny to Brigth Falls, maybe the Odinson Brothers did the same with Thomas. Until now, I don't remember if we saw the Dark Place create people with lifes before, just for the propourse of Alan's attempts to escape. Sorry for my english, its not my first lenguage.
You're perfectly good. I have a video about Fate and Destiny that discusses this more. But my opinion is that it is more of a collaboration. No one is being made out of thin air but all kinds of artists are influencing each other.
This series has been so good. Thank you for even doing all of these!
You got it dude! I love working on this franchise and series
Out of the many episodes of Night Springs this one peaked my interest!
I love how it just ends with jo outro by the narrator. Like is the episode for real or not
wow i appreciate remedy even more now
They plan out everything. It is flippin awesome
I loved this Night Springs epsiode. It's so very "Remedy", so "Sam Lake". I once wrote a short story for a contest that was very similar to this one. I like that Sam and I came up with the same idea years apart.
I also liked your link to the Dark Place, that it is basically Alans dream. And that there is a signal (alarm clock) which want to wake him.
Will there be a signal in Alan Wake 2 waking Alan up? Or will it be only Alans writing skills?
I forget, wasn't Alan born of that diver guy's writing? Or did the diver's story just superimpose onto a real person, who happened to be Alan? I remember Alan reading a memory of his childhood and realizing he was pre-written to go through the 1st game... 🤔🧐
One of the biggest mysteries of the game that i have no answer for. Personally I do not believe that The Diver wrote this. Only that alan wrote it using The Diver's voice because she needed an excuse for the clicker to be there in the story. There is a short scene in the DLC that touched upon it. Really tough to say
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oooh, yeah, I guess Alan could have also written his own backstory since he eventually gains that power - wow 😳🤯
The moment i saw this episode the first time i fucking knee this is some loose lovecraft reference. One of my fave night spring episode
So much of The Dark Place in general feels like a bunch or Lovecraft references
In regards to if Thomas Zane wrote Alan's story.
To my knowledge Thomas was a poet, not a novelist like Alan.
We know that when Alan sees himself in the cabin on the TV, he is actually seeing what is happening to the 'real' Alan.
In one of those clips, Alan talks about how it's hard to do anything but write, but he was able to make his way downstairs.
There he finds a bunch of Zane's poems and writings
Alan says Thomas writes of muses and creators, summoning fabulous things from a magic lake, using it's power to shape the world, or a realm of gods and dreams and demons, dark things that want to slip through and wear the flesh of men as disguises.
About the dark presence taking over his Barbara's body, and his belief that the bottom of the lake hosts a different world with Lovecraftian horror living in it.
Alan says that he will 'borrow these things for my story, they ring true, they fit'.
So you could look at it as Alan continuing Zane's work, or Alan is using Zane's lore and world building to write his own original story.
It may even be that the dark presence can only exist in our world with an artist using it's power and the presence manipulating said artist to do it's bidding.
We know from Control that Jesse doesn't trust the board and believes they could be manipulating the entire FBC to do their bidding, they certainly influenced past directors greatly.
Idk, I'm excited for Alan Wake 2 and hope we got to see more stuff dealing with the FBC in future games.
I love this channel!
You're awesome thank you!
Thanks for the video
You got it dude!
Love when there’s a lovecraft reference. Although I love calling Azathoth by his other name the Blind Idiot God.
10 - Sep - 2023 I had a dream about a man or figure telling a rumour about " The boy in the darkness story ".
It showed me flashing scene's or image's of an boy in front of me with a black T-shirt that went paranoia.
Surrounded by Eye balls staring at him...Not me...But the boy was still in front of me.
Then it went all black my sight...And i hear the " Alan...Wake up " call out of nowhere!
My own Eye's open still in my own dream of my own bedroom..
Instantly my mind thinking i am wake to put the lights on quickly in my own room then went running to my parents room lights on in the entire house...Very frantic moment in my dream.
And it ended with on the home living room TV on a song contest of two female's singers battle it out.
The stage on that singing contest was very Red coloured?
I don't know if my dreams are relevant to the Remedy verse but when i do dream darkness or especially AW subject stuff i let you guy's know.
From your "The Board's Deception" I came to the theory that the Board is based of or inspired by NIDDHOG The Soul Devouring Serpant from Norse Mythology there are quit a few similarities between the two.
Science says we can communicate to each other through dreams which I thought was pretty cool
Interesting. We see that a lot in this series
Sorry to repost this but I’m going through this playlist and I really want to get opinions on this thought.
My honest and full opinion on the Remedy Verse is that Sam Lake is trying to accomplish what Danganronpa couldn’t. Danganronpa ended its series upsetting almost its entire fan base because it turned the mirror around so they could see themselves. I believe Sam Lake is trying his best to form a narrative where his characters realize that they are all in fictional realities created for our own false hopes. Jesse probably already realized this in Control but she has faith that we can achieve hope together. Mr. Door might be someone upset with the entire idea. Alan Wake might be conflicted with his Mr. Scratch side who wants to break out of the false reality and into the real one, but also his light side who wants to change his reality and the other realities for the better. This stuff is really cool and I love Sam Lake.
Are they all crazy ?! no are YOU are all insane ! THIS IS MY DREAM !!!
7:55 I think you misunderstood Zane. The rational Alan IS real. Everything in the Dark Place is real.
Here's Page 14 from American Nightmare:
Everything Is as Real as Everything Else
This act of creation is exhilarating and frightening. Subtext and symbols loom, eager to take effect. Causality and consequence become domino chains that stretch into infinity. The more fundamental the change, the more unpredictable the variables become; reality is too complex to control completely. Ordinary questions become meaningless.
"Who created who?"
"What is really real?"
Everything is as real as everything else. You learn to let go of the things you can't control and go with the flow, or go insane.
Azathoth seems to be inspired by Lord Delany's Mana-Yood-Sushai, who dreamed all the worlds and gods into existence, and it constantly attended to be a lesser god who must always play a soothing lullaby on his drum: "for if he cease for an instant then MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI will start awake, and there will be worlds nor gods no more."
"And it has been said of old that all things that have been were wrought by the small gods, excepting only MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI, who made the gods and hath thereafter rested. And none may pray to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI but only the gods whom he hath made. But at the Last will MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI forget to rest, and will make again new gods and other worlds, and will destroy the gods whom he hath made. And the gods and the worlds shall depart, and there shall be only MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI."
I really need to get into more Lovecraft and old cosmic horror. I have a rough idea of that setting works but no details.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I'm actually slowly reading through Lovecraft's collected works. Your recent videos pushed me over the edge, though Persona already had me teetering on it. It's been a very enjoyable read so far.
This same concept is also used in the MMO, Secret World Legends. The Lovecraftian gods, the Dreamers, are imprisoned in purifying music box prisons from the First Age, the time of Creation, known as Gaia Engines. However, the Dreamers' dreams alter reality by a dark substance called the Filth which they excrete, turning reality steadily into their hive mind. This Filth is treated more as a disease and a pollutant, but the infection as it were goes both ways. Filth beings consider anima, the stuff of life and magic (which is purified Filth), an infectious disease and pollutant as well. However, the Dreamers produce Filth and, if they stop dreaming and were to wake up, thereby feasting on reality as they are like black holes, that would mean the end of reality. So, they have to keep dreaming and asleep for reality to even exist. There has yet to be found an alternative solution to this problem in game.
This reminds me of the Superpower, Reality Dreamer. The Dream is God's body. But we forgot we are God to be the characters in his mind, I think..
Subtitles is a bit messed up starting at 7:28 til 8:09.
I believe I have then fixed now
This does kind of remind me of the Red King's Dream from Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There, the sequel to Alice in Wonderland, both by Lewis Carroll. It is kind of a paradox. The Red King is dreaming the world, but the Tweedles warn Alice to not wake him up lest reality be gone and ended. So, there in lies, the paradox: Does she wake the Red King and prove the Tweedles liars or is it actually true what they are saying and what are the consequences of that thereof? Alice, of course, as a precaution, does not wake the Red King, but the question still hangs in the air as to what if she did? What would happen: Situation A (proving the Tweedles liars), Situation B (reality ceases to exist with the Red King waking), or Situation C (unknown)? So, there is still that question, but it is more metaphysical and philosophical as well. Are we dreaming reality or is something else dreaming us and reality? Is it even a situation of both or neither? It is more of a cosmological metaphysical question as to philosophy.
To achieve Chim is to come to the utter realisation that you are nothing but the dream of The Godhead, and in doing so does not awaken yourself into nothingness
To achieve Chim is to realise that you are a dream and in realising so choose to remaine a waking dream and manifest. To become a lucid dream within the dream of The Godhead
The Elder Scrolls
I'll be honest, if the writer IS Sam Lake and Sam is also Max and Alex... I think that may be a bit too far meta for me.
Well Sam is one of the writers for the game series. I think that is the only thing we are meant to read into this. But on that note... Sam is a character in the game. We see him in the late night talk show that Alan was interviewed on. Sooo...
@@GamingUniversityUoG Yeah I know. But if it's "Sam Lake is revealed as the writer of Alan Wake and is also Max Payne and Alex Casey and it all ends up being Sam Lake's dream instead of in some Clive Cussler way but with actual character arcs and plot importance instead of being a nameless person who keeps giving our leads cars" That may be a bit too much compared to "Sam Lake records a gag about Max Payne's face and then later games escalated it a bit"
That may be a bridge too far. (Sorry for rambling a bit and I ended it early on accident)