Fighter Pilots React to UAP Congressional Hearing Testimony
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Hot dangr!Wombat was there! On the Nimitz?! Wow. Thanks for talking about this stuff. I fell into it and haven't looked back
Those curious what Wombat is referring to, the zeppelin UFO (man made) was a test to see how top navy pilots engage and react to this new level of equipment (compartmentalized)
Good stuff! Thanks Mover for rounding up a couple of flyboys and talking shop. This is - despite so many uncertainties - much more palpable, relatable than what the likes of Greer and Groush are trying to make us believe.
If there is so much better proof around, why are we only shown grainy stuff, especially footage that is easily disproven (i.e. rotating triangles).
I find it hard to believe someone as virtuous as a fighter pilot would ever be confused by what he's seen, tell an even remotely exaggerated story, or flat-out make sh*t up. Never!
You haven’t met enough fighter pilots then. They’re just like anyone else - a cross section of society. Some are virtuous, some are douches, some are bullshitters, and some are anywhere in between.
Let’s see. You are startng this highly trained pilot didint know what he saw? Another armchair skeptic. Everyone in the world, including fighter pilots, don’t know anything….except the pilot that was at the event. You have no credibility.
@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 considering I have the same training, I think my credibility is fine. People sometimes see things that they misinterpret. It’s a human reaction. I’m not saying he did, but a healthy dose of skepticism in the absence of actual evidence is always warranted. Just “being a fighter pilot” is not enough to blindly believe anything.
@@CWLemoine That's a great answer and you are 100% correct. We have no evidence of what happened, yet, so skepticism is indeed warranted. Now let's see what unfolds from this.
@@CWLemoine I think it was a joke?
The thing to remember here is that they can get up there and rattle of any "official" sounding garble and the public will believe it because the vast majority dont know the peculiarities of the jargon actually used in the service.
They've been doing it for 70 years
Watch the whole thing. Remove your colored glasses of bias and be honest on the entire examination of the interview
LOL.. "Mover Ruins Aliens"
They were denied a skiff during this hearing
Radars can do weird stuff but thats not the point. They saw it on radar and went to the location, then confirmed it visually. They didnt go to some random place. So it absolutely correlates. Also Graves same, they thought it was radar glitches at first, but then confirmed visually. So it was not glitches. Case closed :) Does it confirm aliens? Nope. But correlates radar to real world object or some kind of sophisticated radar hacking combined with holograms. But not a glitch.
Carl Sagan said it best- extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan is dead……most likely in a place….he doesn’t like.
ruclips.net/video/5C_-HLD21hA/видео.html 38:35 there you go. This being is 6 inches and lived 8 years (no human or fetus can survive that long). Analysis shows this being also has human DNA it it’s genome. I mean it’s all there in the documentary. Gary Nolan might come to mind but he was payed $3.2 million to conclude its human
What if the extraordinary evidence is being destroyed ? you wont ever know if it is real or not.
@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 Dead means no longer in existence.
The fact 3 high ranking military officials whom have impeccable records and resumes are seeking whistleblower protection in a globally televised hearing with House Oversight subcommittee is putting party politics aside to work together in a bipartisan investigation to go after the pentagon and cia for hiding and keeping secret ufo sightings, interactions and information from congress, public, president is fucking big deal.
The man who was in charge of the military’s UAP program for years testified that UAPs are not of human origin, that mankind has no defense against them, that the military has a craft and alien body is a huge fucking dw
I had an encounter once, but it wasn't on an aircraft, it was on a sailboat racing from Monterey to Santa Barbara. It was a rough, overcast, moonless night; and completely black at 3:00am. Suddenly a crewmate saw a red light in the distance. We assumed it was another vessel with a red mastlight. After a little while it turned more orange and got more diffused. We didn't know what it was, but we ALL agreed it was moving and coming right at us. I was at the helm so I began to alter course. While watching it and expecting to pass down our port side, the clouds suddenly cleared and we saw what it was: the moon poking above the mountains east of Point Conception.
When it's dark and you are on a moving vehicle your eyes can play tricks on you, and even stationary objects can appear to be moving in strange ways.
So the Moon was ''mooning'' you ?
I've been in a helicopter over the water at night and heard people on the radio call in a flare sighting to the CG because they see the anticollision lights flashing 😅
Love how you told that story.
I should also say that it appears a lot is based upon filters and assumptions integrated into the alerting system.
Balloons appears to bypass alerts - slow moving.
Gotta wonder what other filters are about "us problems" vs outliers.
Cool compressed vid version of the longer stream. Get this weird feeling that the main issue that doesn’t seem clearly discussed by the guys is that the F18’s were vectored onto target by the ships with the Aegis radars that we’re seeing the same issue. Maybe a NSWO needs to get in the mix?
18:57 he isn't saying the aliens are good or bad, he is saying if you keep ignoring ufo"s the real enemy could take advantage of that, and before that CRD Fravor says its a "potential" threat, not aliens are bad
"Oh my god, a dozen more of them! And a blimp! A big, shiny blimp and it's slowly moving south!"
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Sounding authoritative doesn’t give credence to the claims and UAP doesn’t mean extraterrestrial
Oh! I recognize Fravor from my cousin’s VFA-11 cruise videos. His hair’s more white now. I wonder if my cousin was his WSO at the time … My cousin’s now the CO of the Red Rippers.
Watched that PBS series Carrier, Cmdr. Fravor appeared in that series. So that's why I thought that he's familiar from somewhere
Another excellent video, 👍 As always, the details are in simple words. People hear only UFO and go crazy but it's good to hear the rest of technical words with explanation from people who know the environment like you.
Do we need to pass the hat around to get Gonky some Internet that isn't powered by a steam engine?
I told mover we need to start a gofundme for gonky🤣🤣🤣🤣
22:00 A couple of decades ago, these guys would have said, truthfully said, that stealth technology was beyond human knowledge.
Healthy skepticism is important on this topic as no doubt most stuff you hear about is suspect at best. However, let's not use fantastical conspiracy theories by some to dismiss all observations regardless of their provenance. This TicTac encounter is a good example of something that seems hard to ignore. Yes, radar can be jammed but clearly the ships radar was working fine as it was able to vector the planes to the object and track it as it changed location. The eyewitness observation occurred in near ideal weather conditions by a trained observer (no heat signatures, control surfaces, etc). Other pilots saw it as well. Is it definitive proof? No... but very, very compelling.
well said. it was also tracked by the E2 Hawkeye airplane. And there is also the FLIR footage of the object. That's a lot of evidence to ignore and dismiss the case as a hoax.
@@KilliK69 The FLIR footage was taken by a different pilot an hour later and at a different location. There is no radar tracking that connected Fravor's visual sighting to the supposed object at the CAP point. Fravor never had radar or flir tracking of anything. Nor did any of the other planes in his group.
" Yes, radar can be jammed but clearly the ships radar was working fine"
It had just been upgraded. Software errors are a distinct possibility. That's not a "fantastical conspiracy theory", it's a fact of sensor technology.
" The eyewitness observation occurred in near ideal weather conditions by a trained observer "
By four trained observers, and at least 3 of the accounts are quite different. Arguably irreconcilably so.
wha tkind of g would be involved in going from see level to 80k feet in a handful of seconds?? im guessing ALOT
Mover's question about "seeing the object" at the same time as the radar hit happened is key. In Fravor's case, the Radar hits came first. Fravor had a visual contact half hour later with something in the water. Then the third radar hit of the CAP point object was not visually connected. A second plane was scrambled and got the flir video of something else, 60 miles away. For Fravor to make the illogical conclusion that all these are the same object is nothing more than a fiction that has developed over the 20 years since it all happened. And it must be said that Fravor has been under the wing of Corbell and Knapp for many years now and has been very much in the public lime light of UFO fans, and in plenty of History Channel films etc. He seems to be a great guy, but he also loves the attention and possibly the money also.
@@tester1697 It's also interesting that the radar guy on the Princeton, Kevin Day, has been very heavily involved in this story, and even contradicted himself on at least one occasion regarding what the radar contact did. I don't know if he's looking for attention or if he's not quite mentally stable, but one wonders about the accuracy of his initial reports.
@@tester1697 Kevin Day who was the radar officer that day, has explained it in his interviews. The SPY1 radar associates a different ID for each target which it tracks.
So you have two different objects with the same ID in two different regions, one is a weather balloon and the other is a rogue jet fighter, which happens to appear on radar a few seconds after the balloon pops up. yeah. not very convincing theory.
@@isodoublet That's true about the inconsistencies, but his testimony has been supported by some of the people who were on the Princeton radar tracking the UAPs for days.
@@isodoublet Kevin Day is in numerous UFO films at this point. He even is credited with producing them and has a book out with all sorts of unfounded claims. He has an agent who you can contact to book him for events.
@@KilliK69 "he SPY1 radar associates a different ID for each target which it tracks. "
How does it do that?
ive had an experience that would make me say aliens exist, one night me and my grandma were heading home after spending time at my parents, (i was living with my grandma cause of circumstances), and at one point during the drive i was trying to sleep when a bright white light flashed in front of us, we didnt hear anything that sounded like an aircraft flying over us, we were just flashed by a couple seconds then in disappeared as fast as it appeared, still have no real reason to explain what happened that night, it happened a few years ago sometime after 2012 (i graduated highschool in 2016 so in between those years)
If this is enough to make you jump to conclusions, you desperately need to reassess your standard of proof. There are so many problems with your account. Try to imagine all the things a hardcore skeptic might say and then figure out how you could prove their criticism wrong. If you manage to *provably* refute everything, then and only then could you even consider drawing any conclusions.
@@Nitidus hey man, there was no real way to explain what me and my grandma witnessed
Gents, I appreciate your humor and satire, but let's acknowledge that testifying in front of Congress, even from a written script, is not easy unless one has a lot of experience. It's easy to mispeak - jumbling numbers, dropping letters or words, etc. And add to this - this isn't any old Congressional testimony on an obscure budget item. It is UAV - a topic of global interest and, as you know, internet commentators waiting to pounce on mispoken words. So can't blame them for being nervous and tripping up from time to time.
5:21 yes i remember the movie fire on the sky and
this film gave me a hell of a fear of fears
I read the book this was based on when I was in 5th grade or something. Definitely creepy, but it felt made-up to me even then. Movie was probably scarier for a kid.
@@blacklake13 yes, I take several years to me for walk alone in the dark in open field 😅
Thank you for your service. I am lost, 10 Tic Tac, 747 size under the water moving very fast, 2 USAF officer landed on Aircraft Carrier took all file software on Tic Tac.
About the 80k feet = space issue: i think he just missspoke/-typed/-read and meant 80 kilometres (which is where space starts for nasa and us military according to noaa). Yes the more scientific way would be to use the kármán line as recognised by the fai at about 100km.
I’m not sure if I missed it in this video but what are “trons?” Is this referring to electrons/electron interference? Or just radar interference in general? And why is SoCal airspace specifically a tron rich environment?
The Cdr Was is a series on PBS called “Carrier”
Fravor was great in the Carrier series. Loved that show!
Foo fighters WW11 this goes back a long way in the modern era and has been observed for far longer in human history....
Missed tbr part where they said government is in possession of aliens
The number of people I've seen who want to climb to the top of that building in "Indepence Day" because of all this is ridiculous. Mover: Nail on the head about feeling like you're the conspiracy nut. Crazy.
Eyes on to 60miles away
I'm sceptical still.
Two things guys… If these are alien craft, it’s a good indication of how advanced their technology is. If that’s the case, if they were hostile, they could destroy us in a heartbeat…. Now, I will throw the cat among the pigeons… They put us here!
Hello CW, I have watched your videos for a while now, as i have always had an interest in becoming a fighter pilot for the air force. I have a question if anyone can answer? I am 18 yrs old looking to go to AFROTC in the next couple years to compete for a pilot slot. Aside from the competition i am slightly concerned for eye sight. My far sight vision is 20/300 in one eye and 20/200 in the other, but my eyes only have a .75 astigmatism and i can be corrected to 20/20. Now the air force rotc website and a few others said uncorrected cannot be further than 20/70, are there waivers for this? And is there a way past it? To get a fighter slot thru Rotc. Do they prefer PRK surgery over lasik?
In my 20 years on this earth, with all the stories and documentaries I’ve listened to or watched I’ve noticed it’s always the same story of “something” doing something beyond our explanation but it’s never the same craft described.
Exactly. People say, "But there are thousands of sightings each year! They can't all be wrong!" Meanwhile, no two of them are the same. As if aliens would fly around in thousands of completely different vehicles.
Mover on that balloon theory. Might be spot on it.
let wombat know that farva had a full litre of cola at the time of the hearing
It’s for a cop
Would be nice for them to just release the all the data that is possible and let the public determine whether it’s anomalous or not. That’s what we need at this point rather than eyewitness testimony. Those 3 guys all seem solid to me, but it’s still not crossed that necessary burden of proof yet with the data we have available.
They couldn't release all the data and have no reason to do so. By all accounts, the majority comprises RADAR data from the ships and jets. AN-SPY1 and APG-79 are still systems in use, no way in hell would logs from those systems be released, especially if it relates to active jamming, just so some people on the internet can speculate about it.
When you have a gravitational propulsion you can do anything like those ufos
It was Elon Musk out for a joy ride in a SpaceX Tesla. 🤣
5:53 Ward Carrol’s video about the Constant Peg program had the same point. The Air Force gave up the MiGs to keep the F-117 hidden.
Fravor…. Nothing YOU know of or knew of in 2004. Fravor isn’t lying.
If you doubt David Fravors testimony and think that a man of his caliber would go to congress and make a fool out of himself, then its a pretty sad situation for US Airforce in general.
Fravor was in the Navy. And you don’t think fighter pilots exaggerate stories?
MOVER - the First rule about , FLIGHT club is we dont talk about FLIGHT club.
MOVER - I saw a REAL UAP once in the 1980's .
it was High Altitude , about 10 o clock high , was Cylindrical like a Grain Silo or Propane tank hovering .
metallic silver metal colored. it was NOT moving and tracking like it was in orbit.
Doing research , found it was a Photographic Satellite , there was Photo Documentation of my REGION taken that day , which covered the Area I was in , at the time.
7:03 could the bloke in the green top right of screen move to his left a tad, the blokes on his right are getting squashed
What does tron mean?
My comment was removed? Why?
It seemed to me they thought the tic tac broke our speed capabilities, simply because they detect one in one spot, during a hurricane wind he said, then detect something elsewhere and assumed it was the same one.
I'm also unclear if they are watching an enhanced camera screen, basically photo shopped to find contrasts and put geometric shapes on them. It seems like they describe shapes a computer put over something it isn't sure of
They better state that there are no aliens so we could believe it’s true lol
I think these uap’s are new technology like the sead drone wingman that we are developing
Multiple sources captured it
could you guys get commander fravor on your show?
What do you guys think of the theory that Gimbal's apparent rotation was due to the ATFLIR rotating at the same time, as described in e.g Mick West's video titled "Gimbal UFO - A New Analysis" ?
I did an entire breakdown video of the FLIR videos. Nothing stood out as “out of this world” from it.
The Pilots/WSOs are trained to use/interpret ATFLIR systems. An armchair skeptic is not an expert. Remember on the audio the crew states there’s “a fleet” of the objects.
Except all three of us are experts, so there’s that. What are your qualifications?
@@CWLemoine Yeah I saw that, and there were some good insights there already, thanks, but I still would like to hear your opinion about whether that specific theory (a non-rotating heat source, perhaps the tailpipe of a distant jet flying straight, with a large glare around it that only appears to rotate due to the ATFLIR) is likely to be part of the explanation for what did actually happen.
Yes, and I said that in that video.
There would be no point in a cover up. If we see something we don’t know, humans are both curious and defensive. We wouldn’t hide information on a potential threat nor from fascinating discoveries. The only instance where that makes sense is if there was knowledge that put the US ahead of its adversaries and talking about it risks giving away our capabilities to others.
Except we know this isn’t the case. All major appropriations for systems, ships, and aircraft have targeted threats we know about. SAMs, ships, drones, subs, etc. Every major warfare domain is being deployed with systems that are based on tech that’s well known and understood.
These simple truths tell us that something happened, but it wasn’t actionable information. In effect, nobody who examined the events learned anything useful. They were then put archived and life moved on. Just another thing that happened that we can’t explain yet, but not harmful, dangerous, able to be studied, or usable.
My problem with all these glorious claims is when you actually look at the evidence provided it's just a whole bunch of nothing. Like Graves talking about these radar contacts that they correlate with FLIR etc but then you look at what's actually available and one of the videos is some bird-sized object flying at birdlike altitudes at birdlike speeds, and the other looks exactly like what the rear of a jet engine would look like if it was traveling at typical jet speeds in a straight line 30 nmi away (with some weird rotation that's actually the rotation of the sensor, not the object). It's just not very compelling.
There's also a lot of sloppiness in distinguishing what is _known_ from what is _assumed._ Like Fravor saying the object was at 12,000 feet... he didn't have sensors on it, he said as much before. He only had his eyeballs to estimate with. So he could've estimated the range wrongly, the velocity wrongly, and the altitude wrongly, and gotten a totally wrong picture of what was actually happening, so that statements like "there's nothing we know that could do this" rest on a very shaky foundation. We _know_ these were estimated wrongly by at least one person because his WSO stated (on a report that's publicly available, his identity and some other operational details redacted) that the object, rather than floating relatively stationary just over the water, was moving in a straight line at 500 knots. The object was white and featureless, nothing much to be sure about.
Also, with the incident having happened almost 2 decades back, people's memories become unreliable too -- Alex Dietrich was adamant that the encounter only lasted a few seconds, while Fravor says it took several minutes as she was taking "high cover". The more layers you peel back, the less compelling the evidence becomes, not because it's not potentially interesting, but just because it's impossible to even be sure of the facts.
There are restrictions to limit exposure of operational limits
You also have to align to security ... so "cant discuss" details.
Unless the pilot is allowed to engage and identify, then there is always personal perspective.
Though fighter pilots are highly trained; there is always the risk of personal bias influencing analysis.
To be fair .. nuances with tech is critical (gimbal limits/rotation etc are critical).
The fundamentail issue is that these devices are not identifiable. Experimental devices are a thing. Not published or briefed.
Remote control aircraft can perform high G - that is their value - 9+ G turns.
Sounds like they're describing what an unmanned probe could possibly do.
isn't this a repeat from the other day??
This is a clip from the 2 hour live show, as we do with every show every week.
Jeremy Corbell sat in the background, guy loves a bit of media attention.
What’s a tron ?
Not sure if every saw/remembered the whole testimony but there were some things brought up that i believe were answered. Like for the tick tack video, i believe he said it was tracked by the spy1b on the USS Princeton, the Nimitz’s radar and an E-C2. For the hornets, one aircraft couldn’t lock, the other did but then lost it and changed to targeting pod to track visually. So it’s not like just one radar was getting a funky return.
Also another thing was why these hearing are public, as they said a few times, despite already getting testimony in sub committees, private briefings and in the news, testifying here puts it into a public record under oath. They also claimed multiple times that requests for a skiff were denied/“wasn’t available” but they we’re looking to get further testimony there at a later date. The point of making this so public was to get more political power for congress to demand answers, my hopes are not high that they will make those public but they need public pressure to proceed. There is also a conspiracy theory that this is all a premade plan to intentionally make it public. 🤷🏼
Finally if you believe the intelligence officer, nothing in current black programs or darpa comes close to this capability. It’s also been pointed out that while the US and other governments may have some classified tech for an advantage, it’s usually not too far off from what other governments also have. For example the soviet MIG-25 being designed in part to intercept the U-2, A-12 and eventually the SR-71. It’s performance may have not matched the A-12 & SR-71 but they were not far off. The way these objects are described it would be like an F-22 flying against the Wright Flyer, and that kind of technological leap between nations is very much out of place in human history….
I think you might be mixing up various different testimonies and events. In the tic tac event, the object was seen on the SPY-1, yes, but AFAIK the E-2 track wasn't solid. Whatever it was was apparently just at the limit of what the E-2 could resolve. None of the hornets picked the object up on radar, none of them picked it up on the pod. Fravor even mentioned he later regretted not using the helmet camera, which he forgot about because it wasn't used very often. The only pod video is the one we've seen titled FLIR1, taken by Cdr. Chad Underwood on a later flight. It's a featureless blob that could be anything.
@@isodoublet i might be, it’s been awhile since I’ve listened to the more detailed version. I was just referring to later during questioning when he lists that the object was tracked by both ships, the E-2 and he does say that one hornet locked on before it was jammed and then moved to the pod which was the later video and yes that was on the second flight. Mainly my point was that no matter what each radar saw, you have multiple types of radars from multiple angles over multiple times all seeing something. Seems weird to just write it off as simply radars can do crazy things. Now i don’t know/remember if the incredible speed/movement was also seen by both ships and an E-2 or if it moving to the cap point was just on one of those radar’s return.
And yes, the only tick tac video isn’t the greatest, however i do believe I remember hearing that there was higher quality or longer video of the incident that wasn’t released. Also apparently there is some much higher resolution photos/videos that haven’t been declassified. I believe one of those photos was what one of the congressmen who talked about it at the uap hearing (going to Florida and interviewing the crew member who took the photo in addition to seeing more radar data for that other event.)
Earth is a microscopic organism in a universe to which we dont even know if or where it ends. Anyone who thinks Earth is the only place where intelligent life exist needs a reality check.
If the U.S. had occasional encounters on the west coast, why have we not put massive/strategic efforts into finding out WTF is going on? I think we are testing things out there and occasionally they need to test the project vs our aircraft. When they do, they are not letting our pilots in the loop.
Because it's prolly classified objects that we own to begin with lol like you suggested. Above their pay grades.
It's gonna be funny to see this video in a few months
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.
Have to admit if they found a crashed UFO be keeping it locked away somewhere trying to figure out how it works.
You guys should look at SCU's forensic analysis of the Nimitz incident, and the paper they put out on the flight characteristics. They of course considered radar errors or spoofing most probable prior to correlating the tracks with other sensors.
All my support to @cwlemoine and his crew against all the conspirations and 10 in one brain
Let's invest and investigate the existence of extra terrestrial aliens so we can ignore millions of known illegal terrestrial aliens at our door. That's how I feel about all the hearing.
I wonder just how many career pilots, military or civilian, would be willing to disclose that they visually encountered a UAP? My guess - not too many. It's a quick way to dangerously highlight yourself. At least the Tic Tac sortie had FLIR video for what it's worth. When I was flying as a Private Pilot, I would not have said a word, even if ET invited me to dinner.
DOD Distraction !!!
Would love anyones comments/ideas on this:
What I don't get is how these things keep messing up and apparently even crashing where its suitable for government contractors or personnel to collect their destroyed remains, supposedly. But they never crash like in the middle of Moscow or New York City or on an alpine village in Italy or basically anywhere that the intelligence agencies wouldn't have first dibs on.
There is this one instance I Know of in Zimbawe where they supposedly landed and talked with a bunch of children for a while and then flew away that is heavily documented. But that was then supposedly intentional and no crash occurred anyway. (Worth looking into though, its called the Ariel school incident. Both white and black, fairly affluent students of young age with no weird priors experienced much the same thing).
If they've crashed anywhere else every other government in the world has collected the remains of the craft and is in on the conspiracy to keep silent. Commies, fascists, monarchists, liberals, conservatives, allies and enemies, every looney nut and every technocrat who has ever ran any government. And supposedly they all agree to keep quiet? They all agree on this one issue, but nothing else?
PS: I'm relating this to the comment one of the pilots/people interviewed here in the hearing made that every mission has a % of failure and thats how these "advanced" craft fail from time to time, just like our most advanced craft fail from time to time, throughout history.
But ours fail randomly, like the great swedish warship Wasa that sunk in the city harbour or the Titanic that hit a random iceberg. I want to believe but there's something fishy with all of this.
6:25 yeah, just like area 51 folks, i suppose they are many many real area 51 out there!
Why this stuff happens in or near US? US navy and USAF assets are present around the globe.
The UFO sightings? at least here in South America happens quite often. Still they get the same treatment, just a news report.
I sometimes forget when you guys say "fly" or " i flew" you mean by your jets and not yourselves.
CHINA........
Who would go out of their way to mess with the US Navy. The US Air Force.
Thank you, Mover, for showing this Testimony and giving us all an opportunity to make up our own minds, the 3 of you very experienced fighter pilots would have more knowledge on this topic than any everyday person. Thank you again!
I do keep wondering if the tic tacs could be essentially projections and not physical objects...perhaps using an array of microwaves beams or (frikin) lasers to heat a precise parcel of air, changing the index of refraction, creating a visual and IR signature. That would certainly take care of the "erratic/impossible" movements, since all you'd need to do is slew the array of beams around. Essentially a 3D spotlight. Is this possible with our current tech?...I don't know. What possible use could this be?...I don't know (beyond seeing how people react to it).
For people who say Grusch acts a little off, please consider he is Autistic. He is on the autism spectrum.
Mover ruins ET :(
Hi again...
And sorry for disturb...
A comment.
If there is a genuine interest in this "nut" theme, maybe, if you look others names, like Michael Herrera and Steven Digna, you will find a diferent compartiment. A diferent recent picture.
This topic is an old movie.
Phil Corso is a good start.
The name Paul Bennewitz, sound to you? The Aviary?.
Mark Mcandlish and Brad Sorensen.
The ARV?
Mike West has a point. The Tik Tak & Gimbal videos are a representation. The real video is classified also the technology involve. Is like the Santilli film. A inocent representation.
Maybe the names Glen Martin, Roger Babson, Agnew Banhson are a Workhome for somebody.
Intel & Counter intel.
Tayler Vargas Andrews
Distraccion. In plain sigth.
Alice in Wonderland.
Thanks. Good work.
You gain a suscriber.
So, in all of your combined flight hours, none of you saw anything...unexplainable?
It's okay, you can tell us...
Nope.
Hell, I see sh*t that's unexplainable every time I go to Costco.
@@blacklake13 Waffle House has some weird phenomena, also.
It's so frustrating to know every single answer to "Movers" questions because I simply watched the LEX FRIDMAN interviews of pilots David Fravor & Ryan Graves. I don't understand why you wouldn't watch these interviews and actually familiarize yourself with ALL the details especially if you can't understand "why I'm now the conspiracy theorist."
Because first person accounts are often unreliable. Where is the correlating data?
@@CWLemoine it has been confirmed by the government that those data do exist and they still don't know what the tic tac was. it's a fact.
Of course it’s a fact that it’s unidentified. Thus UAP. But where’s the data?
Part of the story is that people came onboard the ship and removed all the data tapes and that it’s now lost.
"and actually familiarize yourself with ALL the details"
It's been almost 20 years. Nobody's familiar with all the details, not even the pilots.
5:45, cough epsteins client list cough
How did you make a congressional hearing on ufos boring? Truly an accomplishment.
Weird dog and pony show. Both of those pilots already gave testimony - in a closed hearing no less. Maybe it was a Senate Hearing. Still, not sure of this hearings purpose.
offcourse a thing as an unidentified flying object exsists! before something is identified, its unidentified.. if i made a whale blimp thing you see indoors at some halls at rc events. one of those rc guys that 'swim' in the air.. (oh my god do i want one btw).. and flew it quite high, yet below the max altitude of rc things.. over a bunch of mormons or some backwater alabama homestead.. dont ya think it might be mis-identified as a 'ufo'? sure there are outliers and dudes wanting to make a quick buck on some extravagant story they concocted.. but mover! did you fly a cube with a sphere inside it in 2013😂 or was it a sphere with a cube inside it😮
There’s an obvious disinformation campaign keeping the publics interest away from such a “crazy” topic. SAP are aware there’s no such thing as UFO/UAP. They’re either man made or not
I love the idea of these guys thinking they are a threat and they should do something. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but ANY species with the tech to get across lightyears faster then light is beyond a “threat” if they chose to be which they clearly haven’t. So be friendly don’t bring up religion and try not to piss them off lol
1:52 what does he mean "eventually through visual ID"?
If he can VID the UAP, its not a UAP any longer xD
Congratulations you three have now been named the Illuminati. Now we want to know - who among you is Lara Croft’s father?
Mover, I CHALLENGE you to interview Fravor or Graves. As a matter of fact, I double CHALLENGE you to interview both of them at the same time. By the way, I highly recommend you to drive a Top Fuel Dragster. From zero to nearly 400 mph in less that 4 seconds. No Viper can beat that!
Set it up and we will. It’s not like we have unlimited access to interview anyone we want at any time.
Grusch is perhaps the victim of one of the greatest office pranks ever. This stuff is silly, and the fact that our government, which is incompetent and corrupt, is wasting time with this instead of solving real problems, doesn't surprise me in the least. Politicians.
If all of this stuff was actually true, the government would have never declassified such info. The fact that the government said go ahead and testify is a giveaway.
Why UAP only like US air space and no where else????.
We have Taylor Swift.
it's not only US thing actually find AFO on youtube, and think about the fact that US has the most surveilence devices other than any other counties in the Solar system.
@@CWLemoine ans May be they like the US original McDonald cheese burger
They’re waiting for the McRib to come back.
Who says they’re nowhere else?
Pretty disappointing / closed-minded commentary especially regarding fellow pilot's safety and stigma concerns. 👎
Classic case of confirmation bias.
@@CWLemoine Actually I am a skeptic, so whose bias your or mine?
Yours. Calling us close minded simply for asking questions is nonsense. Fellow pilot or not, I’m not just blindly accepting anything. I have said many times it’s possible it’s as described, but without proof there’s nothing here yet.
@@CWLemoine I am simply commenting on your condescending dialog, it has nothing to do with my personal bias or beliefs. True or not (I don't know), but I respect them for making their statements to congress under oath.
@@roadczar You don't sound like a skeptic. Just an observation.
Who knew this video would trigger so many people 🤣