Former Intelligence Expert Weighs in on UAP Testimony
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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the curve ball is that the IGI did his own investigation and was convinced enough to take it further.
IGI?
Throwing shade at the old man in his attic wearing a flight jacket. Come on. 😏
If I were an explorer from an advanced alien civilization and I dropped in and saw what's going on up in here, I'd report back to my supervisors, "not worth the gas, dudes."
@eljuano28. I agree with everything you have said, if other beings have mastered space travel and can reach the speed of light, why would they come here, to them we are centuries behind any technology they are using.
I was referring to the discourse among these fine gentlemen up in here, but ya. I guess the wider discussion could be brought.
@@orestes1984where did you get the idea wea re violent” after all, according with Star Trek: The Motion Picture, we are nothing but worthless carbon units.
Why do researchers continue to go on safaris in Africa? Why do scientists continue to study ants? Why continue to take an intersect in the natural world? It's not to hard to believe that an advanced civilization might take a discrete stance when studying other civilizations and new species. You might think humans are a waste of time, but that's because your surrounded by them all the time. In the context of the universe civilization might be rare in the vastness of space. Of course, us lowly humans wouldn't understand that context much like animals not understanding human researchers studying them.@@kwakgreen
Why the criticism of Ward Carroll? Was there some element of friction that I missed, between this channel and his?
Always appreciate you guys adding some sanity to the topic. It's unfortunate that the loudest fighter pilots on this topic also tend to be the most... impressionable, to be euphemistic about it.
Oh and by the way - not only did Fravor not leak the HUD tape, he didn't even film it. He told the next guy about to head out what he'd seen and asked him to try and relocate it, and that pilot (Chad Underwood) recorded the video. Whatever that was in the video, it was actively jamming him at the time. Fravor saw it manoeuvre against him - going near-instantaneously from a dead stop over the water to matching him in a 300kt spiral climb as he descended towards it - with his own eyes, not just a blob on FLIR, and he has never said it was aliens or anything else. He's described the capabilities he observed relative to what he knows and is as certain as he can be that we did not have anything remotely like that. There's also the radar observations over the course of a couple of weeks, which of course they assumed were glitches/false returns but which persisted even after re-calibration and error correction (which is why they eventually vectored aircraft onto them).
It's really not an 'appeal to authority fallacy' to point out that a pilot trained on and experienced with FLIR is better-placed to analyse FLIR imagery than a pseudo-skeptic former video game developer either, it's just common sense. By that logic, 'Former Intelligence Expert Weighs In...' is also a fallacious appeal to authority!
"Fravor saw it manoeuvre against him - going near-instantaneously from a dead stop over the water to matching him in a 300kt spiral climb as he descended towards it - with his own eyes, not just a blob on FLIR"
Sure, but his own WSO disagrees with him about what it was doing when they first spotted it -- Fravor said it was "holding like a Harrier" and low over the water, the other aviator in the same exact plane said it was at 500-1000 feet moving at 500 kt. It's actually pretty hard to discern what a featureless white capsule is doing in 3d space when you have no reference. What's striking to me is that everything he described is consistent with a mostly stationary object that was at about half the distance he thought it was.
"which of course they assumed were glitches/false returns but which persisted even after re-calibration and error correction (which is why they eventually vectored aircraft onto them)."
What people don't normally talk about is that the radar system was new. Brand new. Recalibration won't fix software bugs.
"t's really not an 'appeal to authority fallacy' to point out that a pilot trained on and experienced with FLIR is better-placed to analyse FLIR imagery than a pseudo-skeptic former video game developer either"
Then why can't any of these people prove him wrong?
It is interesting that the people that were never on site……always doubt…what actually happened. Highly trained naval aviators, second guessed by basement electronic game players. So, nothing worked. The radars didn’t work. The pilots did not see what they thought they saw. The second Super Hornet that launched, with an ATFLIR, the pilot/WSO did not know what they saw, and whatever their radar and ATLFIR showed them, it was not what they thought it was. Only the electronic game players, living in their mothers’ basements, are the EXPERTS on the subject,
It's funny how every time you examine any of the available evidence, it turns out it was a plane, or a balloon, or something else boring, but I suppose in the cases where no evidence survived must be where the true ufos lie. The ufo of the gaps!
When you say you don't know, everything you do know shows up....
The Wombat vs the UAP thumbnails are awesome. 😂 👍
Good hits One! We’re having burgers tonight!
I believe in freedom of speech, and if someone wants to talk about all this, fine, let them. But I don't want the government involved and wasting my tax dollars on it.
Geraldo or Sally Jessy Raphael would've gotten to the bottom of all of this in an hour on a random afternoon.
@@laurab.9318 Personally speaking, Geraldo lost credibility with me on the Capone vault . Sally Jessie, I hadn't heard that name in decades, I'd trust her in a heartbeat😊👍🏽
@@laurab.9318they wouldn’t…specially of the Kennedy “secret operators”…..would “warn them….not to disclose”…
Would love you to discuss the 'UFO patent' the US Navy filed about two years ago. Odd thing is, why are they filing a patent? The US military can operate outside of patent laws, so why did they need to file a patent and, in the process, make their project public? It's also odd that after the patent was rejected, the CTO of the Navy had to write a personal letter to the patent office saying they needed it because the Chinese are working on similar technology.
Are you're talking about Salvatore Pais's patent? Can't speak to their motivations in pursuing a patent, but I can say that the content was crackpot nonsense.
Dr steven greer, can explain the issues you are raising.
Yea I’m really fed up with people like Grusch coming out and teasing us with ( I know the truth but can say too much )
Whatever mate !
If you know stuff that important ( change everything we know about our own existence) then you should spill it all
If you’re scared for your life and your family’s life theres probably plenty of people who would protect you
He seems to love the limelight a bit too much for me
Bad logic. President Kennedy was…”taken care of….” By the power that be. Grusch was told, don’t disclose. And If you do…..remember Kennedy? It is easy for you to postulate…but when they threaten you and your family……
Shots fired at "Mooch"?! We must hear more! hahaha. Jokes aside its about time we hear someone say that these people testifying are likely looking to cash out on it. Kudos.
Thanks Mover, for pointing out the appeal to authority. That always sticks out to me in these stories. "But, but, he's a FIGHTER PILOT!!!!"
Interesting the skeptics….were never on site. Yet, the witnesses say otherwise.
In 1973 I saw a craft preform in a way that no Terran aircraft could do even today. I first saw it hovering over a field maybe 100 to 200 feet away from me. It then rose about 100 feet vertically in less than a second, hovered again and from a dead standstill exicuted a hypersonic horizonal exceloration and out sight within two seconds. At no point did it produce any sound including a sonic boom. That was 50 years ago. If the Skunk Works, DARPA or any of the rest of the alphabet soup in the U. S. Government had something in the air like that then, we would have had squadrons of them by now. My mom and dad both saw it too and yes, we discussed it many times before they died. I'm no kook, I have an understanding of aviation even if I'm not a pilot.
I'm a simple man.
I see UAP in the title, I click.
How can this guy get in front of Congress? One can just get in front of Congress by just saying a bunch of stuff? Wait what did I just say?
Oh boy, so many angry comments over here 😂
I want it to be true. I like to see the 6th generation fighters from " Independence Day Resurgence " become real. Talk about a tactical advantage. I can dream 😀
Its because Ward is more connected... He was involved with a regular publication... However, I suspect we have closer political views...🤷🏿♂️
Wombats UAP story of seeing a sky full of AIRCRAFTS the looked like Tic Tac shaped TOMCATS!
yup
The idea that he gave up his career at the 18-year mark - opening himself up to articles like this tripe and IC sources directing journalists to police records that could be used to attack him for his mental health struggles (which the writer of that piece has readily admitted was the case on more than one occasion) - to write a book is absolute bollocks. If he was full of shit like you're clearly so desperate to believe, why the concerted effort to smear him? It's no coincidence that the photo is the way it is either - every one of these garbagefest pieces uses a mid-expression frame to make him look insane. As for Bill Nelson's quote (for which he credits watching the nightly news as his source), it's a disgrace. So far off the truth that one could be forgiven for assuming he confused Grusch with someone else.
Not desperate to believe anything sorry.
@@CWLemoine That's just the impression you give when you choose to base your discussion on ridicule-laden articles like this which are so clearly written to appeal to and confirm the biases of people who've already decided the whole thing is nonsense. To say all his info is second-hand is missing the point - he was tasked with investigating this and sought out those with first-hand knowledge as part of that investigation. It's like dismissing the findings of a detective because they didn't witness the crime. He has brought those with first-hand knowledge to provide protected disclosures to the ICIG and appropriately-cleared members of Congress, and much of that happened before he ever went public. The public hearing and theoretical accompanying SCIF session were not meant to be his chance to prove his case to Congress - it was led by members of the House Oversight Committee, who wanted to get in on the info he had already provided. It's perfectly reasonable to want to see the evidence he's provided for yourself before reaching a conclusion, but furthering the stigma by mocking the guy for what he's doing when he clearly doesn't stand to gain from it compared to just staying in and keeping quiet for another couple of years (book deal or otherwise) is a surefire way to ensure they never have to declassify any of it for us to see.
"every one of these garbagefest pieces uses a mid-expression frame to make him look insane" If you watch him in videos, he looks waco too. If you want to believe his BS, that's your choice.
@@CWLemoine outside of David Grusch as you are likely aware, is legislation currently undergoing debate. I've left links to the bill in question elsewhere in the comments and I think they are worth the look. You gotta ask yourself though if all this is just smoke and mirrors, why are 5 representatives actively opposing legislation in this bill? As always guys thanks for keeping it real, always enjoying your stuff!
President Kennedy was taken care of by the …..”Unknowns”…..they probably told this guy…”don’t disclose……or you and your family would go the way Kennedy”…
Dammit wombat!
NASA: Never A Straight Answer
what an insanely one sided and biased article. there is plenty of more information on this topic that is much more nuanced than you even understand.
i guess none of you is interested in Ukraine?
Ukraine lost the war…before it started. Over 400,000 Ukranian soldiers dead/wounded….thanks to scumbags like Lindsey Graham
I don't need corroboration I know what my brother and I saw after it woke us with bright light's through our bedroom window
Admitting in public that you confused beef for bush is completely on trend... it's half the battle already won. 😂 Nothing wrong with being a female F-16 pilot if you have the qualifications! 😁🔥🏆
What?
Why don't you invite Fraver to be on your show? How about inviting the Chris Lehto channel? He is was an F-16 pilot who now researches UAP phenomena as opposed to the mass media which ignores and ridicules the subject at every oppurtunity as you and your buddies have done.
So the question is, what is the government trying to distract us from by entertaining these UAP discussions in the public sphere?
Yes, when you have a lot of problems in the country, they will talk about UFO or similar things. The UFO definitely exists, there are also photographs and videos, but it will never be declassified to people.
This is absolutely classified information forever. Only former military men, many years later, can say that they saw this and that they saw the video recordings, but it was instantly confiscated.
But what is happening in the USA now is simply a distraction from problems in politics and economics.
The “gov types”…are blocking disclosure.
It's funny how historically... the Alien stuff always pops up during times when the gov is really doing a sucky job. Probably just a coincidence.
including the one in 1885 (?) this isnt a modern phenomenon, and its not just in the US.
@@francistremblay8098 this has been a documented phenomenon in the US since the mid 1800's, it's been in Indian stories hundreds of years earlier. Where was the population mass, coast to coast instant media and technology for it to be discussed braodly then? fundamentalist religious believers assoc it with demons etc... hardly the prism point for discussion, and the stigma around this has onl started to ;ift after Keanes and Blumenthals 2017 areticle. Again, this is not just a US phenomenon, Its everywhere. Occums Razor rules here. Add in the basic issues such as the US being the most sensor active society in the "west" or free PACRIM and Europe, then of course you will get more noise on this, plus its open source intel feeds are more axxwaaibvle. OTOH the russians stopped publicly chatting about this in the early 1990's, Chinese society and culture acts as an information brake, anbd then there is the broad stigma still attached. Its thanks to Keane and Blumenthal that the needles have started to shift. Trump conspiracy theoriesjust have no impact or relevance to this
Trump was in when the NYT broke Keanes and Blumenthals program.... so you might have a point :)
@@francistremblay8098Trump was accused of a “Russian Collusion”, 24/7, for the better part of 3 1/2 years?