2023 F150 5.0 with 3.0 whipple. Having issues at 300 miles.
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- Опубликовано: 8 дек 2023
- After picking up my truck at the dealership with the super charger installed they assured me it's normal. Doesn't seem normal. Hopefully it will be resolved. I made this video to send to wipple to hopefully get a resolution.
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You need to go to a different dealer. Any dealer that says that's normal should be put out of business.
It’s hard to imagine a dealer tech looking you in the face and telling you that noise is normal. What is the world coming to? That’s crazy.
I agree 100%. That's why I sent whipple the video. They're making it right. Mis clocked rotors .
@@donniedye2716 good! Glad to hear it’s being resolved! Can’t wait to see how it performs once corrected.
Not hard. I believe it. My truck blew up after 4,390 from fouled cats
They got that from BMW😂 when you would get a new BMW back in 2005 to 2008 and you had random issues that were hard to reproduce like lights flickering, occasional engine noises and the door deciding to open itself occasionally when you go over 60 mph they would look at you like you were crazy and then tell you it was normal
Whipple QC has gone down hill
When a mechanic says "the problem will fix itself" it's time to find another one
Absolutely
Hope they fix it for you successfully. Your truck is the definition of a sleeper truck - bare bones, maximum V8 horsepower - well played, Sir.
Thanks man. Yeah it's all good now. Added mild exhaust. Still gotta lower the rear but it's getting there.
@@donniedye2716it "fixed itself"? Lol. Those wheels and tires are super sleeper lol. Love it
The idler pulley is loose. It has left hand threads. Tighten it by turning counter clockwise
Definitely sounds like it.
Bingo. That was my first thought
Well you figure owning a truck like that ... he would just fix it
About said the same thing.
Yup that’s it
I installed this exact same kit on my 2023 XLT and do not have this noise.
I read the comments and one guy mentioned the oil level. Definitely start there. There is a small sight plug in the back of the rotor housing. It’ll be a pain to see but it’s back there. You’ll need an inspection mirror to see it.
The pullies on my truck do not move like that though. So maybe they screwed up with the tensioner adjustment or install. It’s a pretty straight forward process but I imagine one of those dealer techs could mess it up pretty good. There was all sorts of warnings in the original instructions about setting proper belt tension. So maybe they over tightened it on the first go and broke it on the first “test drive” when the put a load on it.
Long story short. Take it back to the installing dealer. Yell and complain to the service manager. If that guy doesn’t help get the dealer manager involved. If that goes no where ask to speak to the district rep. Ford Performance is very proud of this kit and will make it right. Just gotta get the right eyes on it and they will resolve this issue.
The rotors were not clocked correctly. Whipple is fixing it now.
@@donniedye2716but what about those pulleys? within spec?
@@jamesmedina2062 I would have to imagine if its at the point of Whipple being involved they will go through the whole system to check that its functioning properly. Im assuming that the rotors not being clocked correctly is causing an imbalance that works its way back through drive system and that could be what is making the pulleys act like that. Even so, might be good to ask if it could have caused any premature wear and whether its something that should be double checked. Sometimes if you dont bring something up it may not get addressed or they might not have realized that it needed to be addressed. "Squeaky wheel gets the grease" as they say.
@@BeauTheC.H.U.D. well its only anyone's guess. Seems these days if you throw it up on RUclips these companies are jumping through hoops to fix the issue.
@@donniedye2716oh but what happened I thought the dealer said that was normal?
It's probably that infamous 10mm socket that they dropped in the motor when they installed the whipple😂🤣
😂
I've been looking for mine for months! Thank you!!!
I found a 10mm Snap on rachet when our company truck returned from the dealer.😂
@user-fk2mp5xh4s Thats like winning on a scratch off lotto ticket!!
@@user-fk2mp5xh4s SCORE!!
Definitely take it to a different dealer ASAP.
Sounds like u are getting the issue resolved. For future noise issues like that, u can at least pinpoint the source by using an audio stethascope. They dont cost much, and you can put it wherever u want to at least find where its loudest and likely the source. Good luck!
Whipple tool care of it. Miss timed rotors in the super charger.
Sorry you had this problem but glad Whipple and the Dealer are taking care of this issue.
Whipple was great.
The good news is you did it correctly, through Ford and as such, it’ll get taken care of under factory warranty.
Mistakes happen and things break, the important part is finding an aggressive service department that takes care of the customer.
Whipple was great. Dealership not so much but it's all good. Whipple made it right. Great customer service.
Warranty is through whipple. Not ford
@@petergalvez6431 Nobody said differently. Whipple is a “factory” and when installed professionally, the factory deals with the shop to get the warranty repair covered.
That noise is not normal. Take your serpentine belt off and spin all of the pulleys and idlers by hand to see if you can duplicate the sound or if you feel any dragging. I feel your pain. In 2018 I had one of the first Roush superchargers installed by a certified dealership where I bought my 2018 Mustang GT. Long story short the car would randomly stall at idle (1,000) total miles on the supercharger (3,000) miles on the car. The dealership was able to duplicate the issue, but they did not know why it was happening. Roush looked the data logs over that the dealership sent to them. They said that the short term fuel trims were out of spec and sent a new tune to have installed. This fixed the issue but my car was at the dealership for 30 days while they were figuring it out. Then 2 months later the throttle body that came with the supercharger went out. I know your pain brother. Don’t let them give you the runaround.
Roush is safest. My 2006 had one from dealer, bought it used when nobody had money 2009, low miles, GT 13K out the door!
Just get a small block Chevy and beat on it.
Why would he work on his own truck? It's still under factory warranty. Make them fix it.
Wants it right?
From looking and knowing if others there is spacers missing and that first pully you zoomed in on is rubbing the back pulley
New pulleys being sent today. Super Charger is fixed now. No more rattles.
Pretty simple to diagnose, pull the belt when it's cold and start it. See if the noise is still there. If it is you know it's IN the motor, if not then you know it's either a pulley or in the supercharger.
i have a 23 reg cab 2wd with just shy of 3k miles. I do hear what i would call a slight chatter from the SC pulley. But i would not say it is as pronounced as what you have going on here. Mine seems to be running just fine and i have not had any issues so far. One other thing i noticed about your setup as opposed to mine is the level of coolant in your intercooler reservoir. mine is still about 3/4 or more full. Not sure if that means a whole lot, i just noticed. I have read that it can take a little while to bleed the air out of the system so the coolant reservoir can go down some.
Kinda what my vortech v3 sounded like when it was low on oil, grenaded the bearings inside the supercharger. No that belt shouldn't move around, something is misaligned probably the noise from those idlers
Fixed Or Repaired Daily! Good luck getting this removed! I feel your pain.
It’s only a pulley problem but if it was a Chevrolet or Dodge it would definitely be a rod😂
Sounds like one of those pulleys to me, with the truck off try checking or free play in the pulleys, if you can move them side to side then they need to be tightened up/replaced.
Scion had this issue with the TRD Supercharger, with mass failures that they dumped the company from producing them.
I install Roush and Whipple kits and that noise is not normal.
Sounds like the sealed bearing at the front of the supercharger prematurely failed or they never added oil to the supercharger, the oil sight window is at the back of the supercharger and almost impossible to see without a bore scop camera.
Goodluck find another whipple certified dealer. Like mine
I see a loose idler pulley not spinning. I would remove belt and spin & check all the pulleys.
Sounds like something is rubbing somewhere. Something probably isn’t secured properly, or not tightened down all the way. Id start with the outside of the engine (belt), then start looking internally. But it definitely sounds like it’s on the outside and is rubbing something
Tighten the pulleys I've had pulleys go bad before on my vws and it's either bearings or tightening issues. However that rattle comes from the pulleys rubbing the engine block cause their not tight. Good luck the 5.0 is a good motor
That my friend is rotor to rotor contact…
The blower was improperly assembled and the rotors have slipped time.
Or there is no oil in the gear case.
Yup rotors miss timed. Whipple got me fixed up.
We had the same issue on the 3.0 for a hellcat. Complained to whipple and they sent out a new one
Make sure you get the upgraded crank support so that trans doesn't blow it out the front of the motor and kill you whole truck have video for reference if you need it. 5.0 gen 6 whipple with lund tuned
Sounds like the rotor pack is grinding against the blower casing.
Whipple determined mis clocked rotors. They got it fixed up. Runs smooth now 😎
Sounds like inside the supercharger the rotors are touching or something.
Does the sound speed up when you rev it a little?
Dam. Sorry hope you get it fixed
The bearing in the idler pulley is shot. You'll have to get the pulley replaced. But still, that is ridiculous.
Take to another dealership. My Dad got His FP700 Black Edition, lowered, 22" Nito's & it's so loud with the Magna Flow Exhaust System that you can't hear anything & he got the 8yr 100k ext warranty.
But, that's not normal. I could hear that if his made that sound.
Almost like a bad bearing or something.
His runs smooth, fast & super loud!
Nice! Whipple made it right. All good now.
I have a 2019 Ford Fusion Sport 2.7 Twin Turbo AWD.....have turbos off the 3.0 eco......bigger air intake, bigger throttle body with spacer, upgraded intercooler, exhaust, and the SCT James tune.....420 hp 485 lbs tourqe.....bought new with 5 miles on it.....was told do not race, or tune this car until i have had the oil changed at 5000 miles.....
Nice!
Sounds like the dealer tech lost his watch inside the super charger. Sucks man hope you get it worked out. I’d be pissed too.
That idler pulley bearing is bad. Cheap enough to change and they also make some nice billet ones. Think you can get a short belt and bypass the supercharger to isolate it. Did the lower pulley get double pinned? Should be
Not sure
On my opinion, first take the belt off, star the truck and them turn the pulleys by hand and hear which one make a rattle noise.
Replace the pulleys and the belt. Thanks for you attention. Nice truck
Metal balls are bouncing around in there. But is actually just needs new idler bearings. Pretty cheap fix.
I would pull the belt and check all pulleys.
Sounds like the dealer hasn't a clue.
I wouldn't run it anymore.
Until I found the problem.
The sound of this seems to be pulley.
The metal shavings is a giveaway.
But I would check all of them.
Metal fillings will head towards your alternator. If they get in it it will live a very short life.
I had a couple of these that the rotors weren’t installed or clocked correctly. I ended up fixing it myself.
And they say 1000 miles before towing , racing, or .....adding boost.....i would personally wait until its had its first oil change, then i would also check the transmission fluid for shavings after 5000 miles of boosted driving
Have you tried to pull the belt off and spin the whipple by hand? It def sounds like it’s coming from the blower itself tho. Not normal
I did. I dropped it off today. They believe the rotors inside the casing is off timing . It rattles turning by hand.
Years ago i had a Whipple sounded the same i took the oil drain plug out it was full of metal shavings. Whipple made it right.
Sounds like the rotors aren't clocked in correctly. I have heard that sound before.
They need to pull the blower now. I’ve built many of these trucks. The belt wobble is however normal.
The blower noise is not. It sounds like the blower screws are touching or they didn’t add blower gear drive oil.
If it’s the blower screw tolerance running. It’s putting metal down inside the engine.
OP indicated misaligned rotors and Whipple is fixing it now.
Do you have to worry about the oil pump drive belt with the whipples?
So have metal shavings from the rotors touching gone into the engine?
You may not know what the problem is but I believe you do care. You are going to have to become to the dealership what that noise is to you. Try to remain positive and point out all the good things you have experienced with the truck and the dealership but be persistent about pointing out your problem. Ask would they want to drive this everyday if it were theirs and if they like the idea of this representing their quality. God bless. Look ing forward to hearing a good outcome. Be persistent and kind. It’s hard to say be kind but I believe it will bring the best outcome.
I agree. Whipple miss timed the blower rotors. Whipple is making it right. Hopefully get back this week.
Thats what my 03 ranger with 370k kms sounded like before it died. It was more of a knock than whats showed but still similar.
I got the same truck and setup and my sound great there is definitely a problem
Bearings going out in the Whipple. DiD u have oil in it?
looks like bad bearings on the pulleys. doubt they are loose. you can check that in 10 seconds
Rotors inside super charger were out of time. Whipple is correcting it currently.
I've installed multiple Whipple superchargers and I have never heard that before.
I would definitely take it somewhere else.
Rotors were mis timed at whipple when the super charger was built. Whipple made it right. All good now.
Something is loose. Check the pulleys bolts, idler pulley, maybe even misaligned.
I wouldn't worry too much.
I can’t hear you over the noise. What did you say was wrong with the truck?
to fix that do not tear into it yourself. first find video of that blower running to show the idiots at that shop its not normal. Then they have to fix it and deal with whipple themselves since they installed it. If you tear into it yourself they could say you caused it and void any warrantee. If the shop still says its normal contact whipple and send them this video. Once they tell you its not normal then take that email to your ford dealer and say you want it fixed. You tried being the nice guy but now you need to be the bad guy so they dont run over you. hope this helps
Belt driven oil pump in the new 5.0 f150's that alone is a problem for me. I love my gen 1 coyote these new trucks are just being engineered to become obsolescence after the 5yr/60k is up if they make it that long
My issue is the tires make too much blue smoke while I'm driving 😅😅
Some young mechanic guy test drove that before you bought it.
hope its resolved. never return to that dealer. maybe another dealer can fix it. if they wanna charge then id find a performance shop and be done. a shop that has experience with wipples can resolve.
Ask the dealer if he'd be embarrassed to drive something that sounds like that home.
What did Whipple say it sounded like, when you contacted them? Assuming you sent them a video?
Sounds like the rotors are hitting the case inside the supercharger. I've heard that noise many times on my Terminator. I bought a first run 03 Cobra June 28th, 2002 and had the third Kenne Bell they ever made on it. The rotors are hitting the case. You'll find aluminum shavings on top of the intercooler. 🍻🇺🇲🪓
Sounds like a loose pulley or you need some clearance adjustment.
I would tell them to fix it yesterday but, I will settle for NOW!
Coupler inside of the supercharger my m90 eaton on my 3800 made the same noise!!!
a loose or bad pully would be my guess bad bearings prolly factory defect
Dealer installed means a tech who is under 23 and only been working there a year. After they installed it they probably went out and hammered it a few times. Invest a dash cam for service appointments.
Good idea.
💯 agree I have it for my wife but no need for she comes to my shop.
@@donniedye2716 beautiful truck. Sorry about your luck. When she runs right you’ll never want to sell her! Good luck!
One of the first things i did when i got my truck. Luckily in order to install these Whipples the dealer has to have the tech certified. So its not something they are gonna let the oil change tech have a stab at.
What was the outcome?...sounds like the crank pulley is loose
You might want to shut the engine off, also keep your head away from those moving belts if you think there’s a problem with the pulleys.
It's back at the dealership. Whipple is making good on it.
What was the problem with it? I just ordered a blue 24 regular cab and deciding between the whipple and roush kit.
There's a follow up video. The rotors were miss timed. It happens but whipple made it right and fixed me up. I'd still go with whipple.
Ok good to hear that they are making good on it.
Definitely a blower rotor or bearing issue. Worked on many of these trucks and mustangs.
I wouldn’t doubt the dealer had their lube tech put your kit together. Sucks! I hope you get it squared away.
Sounds like a bearing on one of the pulleys
Yep sounds good 👍 😅
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That’s toast. Whipple is having major problems with their new 3.0 and 3.8. Sad really because they make great power.
That's 100% not normal it sounds like they didn't bolt the pulleys down all the way or a pulley is bad. Or the pulley system isn't installed correctly.
Easy Fix, looks like a bad bearing on one of the pulleys or a loose bolt holding the pulley.
Rotors inside super charger mis timed. Whipple made it right. All good now. Plus new pulleys.
Sounds like either rotor pack bearing or pulley bearing and could be loose. Make sure they added the oil and check the sight glass.
Rotors out of time. Whipple is fixing the issue.
@@donniedye2716 Whoa! Whipple is not as reliable as I expected. I ordered a Gen V unit and it arrived wit two right side runners , It ended up costing me time and an additional $1200 to get it resolved. I'm going procharger next build.
My 2013 only has 40 k miles. All stock. Runs great. If ain't broke and running fine leave it alone and keep up the fluid changes. All these add ons doodads are just a gimmick seems like.
has me rethinking the f150 sleeper I was ordering this spring
Don't let my experience discourage ya. Whipple miss timed the rotors on the blower. They're making it right.
@@donniedye2716 did already or will?
@tintshopnc5552 they currently are. Still waiting on it to be completed by the dealership.
Sounds like the S/c pulley bearing is toast
Well cleetus broke the crank off that shit sounds like a pulley about to leave chat but good on you to leave it running the whole video after getting the point of the noise no way that’s causing more damage
😆 there's a follow up video. Just the rotors mis timed by whipple. They got it sorted. All good now
I just ordered a whippled f150 too. What dealership did you buy the truck from?
I would have went with the Roush. Whipple is a headache!
I feel. I order mine from town and country ford. What about you?
Cleetes got his setup right...
Whipple had mis timed the rotors. All good now 👍
The noise is from the supercharger it's sounds like to me maybe a cam
If it was the rotors out of time, you have to wonder how that dealer got its certification if they could not figure that out. You have to wonder whether they missed something else. I would stay away from them and find another dealer.
Unfortunately it's back there. I agree with you. It's near my house and yes they should know better. The world isn't perfect. Ultimately it's whipples fault. The dealership did what they should except release the vechile. They should immediately contacted whipple. They said they did. In fact I called whipple and they received no such call from the dealership. I could call out the dealership for lying. The thing is the guy could of talked to someone at whipple other than who I talked to. I could of gotten into the whole drama of it but it's not my style. If the guy at the dealership is a liar then he knows what he is. Nothing to do with me. I just want the truck fixed. That's my only goal. He may or may not of called whipple. When I spoke with whipple they said the same thing . Take it elsewhere. I agree but locating a performance dealership close by isn't easy unfortunately . I think it'll be fine. Fingers crossed.
@@donniedye2716 isn't this under warranty from Ford though, when you have them install it?
@@evictioncarpentry2628through whipple and ford performance. Third party warranty
Check the oil level. Also, there is a coating on the rotors that make them sound loud, they say after they wear in with miles they will wear in a get quite.
I looked but couldn't find where to check it.
Dropped it off today. They're getting it fixed up. Believe the issue was rotors out of timing .
I’m a master tech and that belt I see floating and it’s not supposed to do that and it won’t fix itself. If you are mechanically inclined take off the belt and spin freely each pulley. The one that rattles it’s the culprit. From what I see I feel that one of the pulleys are trying to walk off.
What’s sad is that these so called mechanics call themselves tech and they are far from. Remember not everything from factory is always fixed or comes out right. There are many QC issues I see come in shop. Check the pulleys trust me.
@@donniedye2716 did you ever manage to get this fixed? Hoping they lined it out for you!
I have a 2021 with a Stage 2 Whipple (NOT through Ford)....that is NOT HOW MINE SOUNDS. Not normal at all.
with the way the quality of things have been lately, I wouldnt be modifying anything new like that.
It normally goes smoother. It still maintains warranty.
Dealerships arent what they used to be. They are hiring cheaper help. Times are tuff$$. I wonder what it takes to get certified to install a whipple kit. Whipple is probable cutting corners too. Everyone is $$ hungry.
Truth. Luckily it's good now .
Mine is completely quiet. No noise at all.
It's really nothing wrong with saying "Hey you know what something might be wrong that doesn't sound right." Some people are narcissistic and can't own up to their mistakes. I don't drive nothing expensive, but I love motors and like watching people build motors,and I know for sure that ain't right. Good job on making them fix it,now post a before and after video 😅...
Will do
ugh what a disappointment, hope you get it worked out its a beautiful truck
I did thanks. All good now 👍
I am about to do this whole deal. This is scaring me lol
The world isn't perfect and that's ok. Whipple rep called me and was on top of it. It's getting taken care of. Whipple does care. I'll post more videos as it goes. It will spin the tires over 40 mph. I need to lower the rear once I get it back.
I got my whipple installed at about 10,000 miles. 15 k on the odometer now, no issues or strange noises in any way. Just a whole lotta fun to be honest. I’m on 34” tires and Roush leveled with the Roush active exhaust with a resonator delete. It’s rowdy when you want and quiet as stock for inspection.
Bought a '23 FP700 from a dealer here in TX a couple months ago. almost 3K miles and it gives me the biggest smile every time i put the pedal down.
What is the name of the dealer and where are they located?
Sounds like possible fan blades hitting fan shroud
Rotors inside whipple charger not timed correctly. Getting fixed currently by whipple.
Saying 'That's normal.' is the new normal.
Pulley rub and untuned?
Sounds like some bad bearings in the pulley
I can not believe they let that leave their shop sounding like that...wtf. in my opinion, check all pulley bolts. Hopefully thats it 🙏
That’s definitely chatter from the idler pulley
Whipple supplies just a base map to Ford but you got a failed SC blade. Contact Whipple directly.