Bettermaker Mastering Limiter Review - Fastest Analog Limiter Audio clips, menus, functions
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In this clip David reviews the Bettermaker Mastering Limiter,
digitally controlled harware analog mastering limiter, the first unit of this kind, an incredible tool for mastering, high end, mastering limiter and clipper, with LCD display, precision control and recalls.
Font panel, functions, audio demo on different genres, electro,
pop, rock, drums.
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I've been using this Limiter for a couple of months. It's really good and the harmonic options sound excellent and are my favourite feature. I agree that the clipper is excellent. I'm very happy with this unit and my mixes have improved :)
nice unit, a video about odd and even harmonics and how to utilize them would be great david
This thing is insane, what a way to finish your master you know? The high-end is nice and metallic in a pleasing way, and you get separation between instruments almost like a summing unit before you even engage any width, I don't know how this thing does it.
At the end, I'm thinking it's not a very attractive to me, but might be if I already had quite a few other things first.
Much like you.
Your videos always bring a good view of things.
As much as a RUclips video can bring with the sound codex
Sounds great. Thanks for the great demo.
Thanks for the review David, this really helped me decide that I absolutely need to buy one! Heh.
I hear what it's doing - sounds great. I like the colour-frequency control...like an EQ...cool for tracking and stems; and the widening is cool too. Thanks for the demo :D
9.57 The sound is already good... I find the sound we are looking for in a mix is to take the listener to feel like the driver... this is where I got a love for Neve and tape... I love it with them as pin ups because I'm not fair off homeless, but still, truth is truth and this sounds good... will keep listening
I just jumped in the deep end and purchased one of these babies! David will
you do a video with this unit demonstrating how you would use M/S on a mastering
limiter and maybe some more about the clipper (good for tracking? solely for the master?)
cheers and great review you made me feel I couldn't live without this unit!:)
steve
5.46... seems like a swiss arm knife of sorts... excited to hear the sound
Thanks for the demo. I hope you control room build is going smoothly. Peace!
Always a good and thorough review thanks.
I would like to see you get your hands on the Hum Audio LAAL Mastering Limiter, and see what you would think of it.
It's a very good arrangement also and mix
Help me understand! I bought Bettermaker Mastering Limiter 2.0 and am working in Cubase. Why when reducing the output volume on Limiter 2.0 Bettermaker Mastering, the peaks still pass through and the red peak lights up on the channel? In software limiters, by reducing the output volume, we are protected from peaks, but in Bettermaker Mastering Limiter 2.0, by reducing the output volume, peaks still pass through?! Is this how it should be or am I missing something? And, another question - does it matter where to put the Limiter 2.0 Bettermaker control plugin itself, on the master channel or on the track? Thank you in advance! I've already tried recording between two computers via analog connections and the peaks appear again on the recording computer. But it shouldn’t be, on software limiters, when the output level is reduced even by -05 db, the peaks do not pass, but in Bettermaker Mastering Limiter 2.0 they do. And, in general, is it necessary to connect the sound card via analog inputs and outputs with a cable, or does this processor also work via a USB plug-in? Or maybe some kind of calibration is required? Help me please!
Sorry for beating that old dog. I know of no single plugin, which could do exactly the same, but I can imagine a chain of plugins which could. The tactile thing is maybe a reason to buy such a unit and if you run a mastering place, it could be a good investment. Although for the average bedroom producer the benefits do not justify the price. Just my 2c.
The price isn't justified for a bedroom producer, true. It's also not aimed at such market. It's more about workflow and integration.
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse True, but I doubt, that a mastering engineer wtches youtube reviews to make such decisions :)
@@peterbrandt7911 you don't have to doubt it. We're just people too. 🥲
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse Of course. But at this pricepoint you wanna try a unit for a week or two before buying, I guess? At least I would ;-)
the question is how this would compare to the latest limiters that are coming out
- TokyoDawnLabs TDR 6
- Eventide Elevate
- Ozone 8
- and my favorite one KClip please do a comparison between this two i love KClip
I just got this, and compared with the most popular limiting plugins. I was just laughing surprised of how much damage plugins do to your music. I’m glad I bought this wonderful device so I can stay 100% away from “Limiter” plugins now.
@georg walt The plug in is just the controller for the completely analogue hardware. Lito is talking about plug ins like L2 of Fab Pro L that are 100% software based
Can someone tell me how digital plug-ins can "damage" audio?
@@lashtal plugins may not damage “destroy” your sound, but many of them will make your sound flat, lifeless with no dimension. At least that has been my experience, and have been doing this for a very long time. Nowadays I keep them at a very minimum and I only use just few that I know don’t mess up with your precious recordings. They way I see it now is if you not there for the ultimate analog sound, then just don’t worry about it, audio with plugins is just fine. 🤙🏼
@@quantika72 I agree with you.
Im still convinced hardware sounds better I feel you get more transparency and accuracy as well as better on a sonic level. I think many people want to disagree cause plug ins cost next to nothing. This unit is about 3,000
Thanks a lot for the video and review. It is really useful
@MixbusTv: Does Bettermaker Mastering Limiter embeed an SC filter? Not sure... A feature Rupert Neve just provided on its MBC.
Thanks for the in depth review. Regarding your final thoughts...is it fair to say that a software clipper such as Kclip would generally do as good a job (strictly comparing to the clipper on the bettermaker)? I realize one may be more suitable than the other on some material, etc. i own Kclip and like it...just curious if the bettermaker is more transparent.
Hi there! I own the Kclip too, and it's definitely a good software solution. But the clipping from the Bettermaker is just another level. It sounds very very natural!
Great video as always! But you forgot to mention that you can recall presets and also automate this unit inside your DAW with their plugin. Great job anyways!
Hey David...question here: what other gear limiter in the same price range would you recommend ?? pls give me a couple of options , cause tbh i'm not superimpressed bout this one , it looks amazing but ...
congratulations
does it do magic on mastering?
really what's the different between this unit and vst limiters?
anyway this is so expensive for me to buy but I wish you have a great mastering with this great hardware
MixbusTV yes you are right
good luck
Hey, first off ,,,great review,,, you actually got me thinking about a few options so if you dont mind I have a cpl of questions. Im upgrading my Mastering/mixing chain and I been reviewing the Bettermaker mastering compressor as well as the Limiter and I notice that they are similar in some features, if you had a choice would you get one over the other? or both?and why? Im already getting the Mastering EQ but not sure if I want to get the Compressor or the Limiter or both,,,,If I get the limiter , I figure I just get a GSSL or a clone as my compressor,,, but I like the features on the compressor , and you did a great review on the limiter ! Seeing you have one and im sure you know a lil about the mastering compressor do you think both units on a mastering chain is overkill? or all 3 units would be a perfect in the same chain. I do Dance, House and pop music and sometimes other genres but never rock or metal. thx in advance and great videos !!!
@@mixbustv Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the time you take to share the knowledge of the craft,, I share some of your same sentiments which is why I have been doing the research and not totally sold, almost but not totally,, but you got to admit the digital recall is very persuasive , but then again what good is the recall feature if the unit does not perform to the value of the cost of the unit in terms of performance, sound and features! So even tho speed of recall is kool for an analog unit,,, the bang still got to be worth the buck,,, Im kind of sold on the EQ cos it fits my needs, but still on the fence for the Compressor vs the Limiter. but on the flip side you got apps like "Session Recall " and "Patchrat" that's a good work around for easier analog recall. So yes,,, sticking to what works and is proven is always an option. The research continues,,,, thanks again for your time ! - jr
Hey we love your videos you always do a great job but you know what would be helpful if you would show some low price alternatives to this high-priced gear what can a person get that will do the same thing at half the price if anything like that is available. it will be great to know about it. thanks and keep making great videos
I'm not joking, try guitar pedals. Very similar circuits there and loads available. The dynamic range at a final song is well within the range of guitar pedals. You'll just want to get a good quality 9V *linear* power supply and feed that to them. With short shielded cables, high quality power, and of course quality reamping, guitar pedals can do lots more than people think, even on a mix if the pedal isnt bandwidth limited.
If you want some smooth soft clipping on a master, wire some germanium diodes on a wire and drive into it and then into a preamp. There's too much mystique in this stuff. Nothing new in analog tech. You pay for switches, dials, and all the components they throw away matching pairs of components for high precision stereo and frequency response. Most of the engineering is copy paste from expired patents or common knowledge circuitry and then whatever twist the engineer can put on it. There are geniuses at work doing great things in some of these companies, but people can get closer than they think with much cheaper things.
Much like the digitally controlled pres on the Neve Genysys Black, is there a computer interface/gui? Nobody sits in front of their outboard gear. An eq is not set and forget. Most likely, I'll be sitting in front of my computer editing tracks.
I want to see this kind of review for the new version. BM should send you one
Greetings Profesor
I have Problems with Bettermaker Limiter!
The hardware option (ON) it’s not working, it’s not responding to touch…
On Protools, the Plugin is displaying
(Hardware status DISCONNECT)
I changed the midi cable for a new one, so the midi cable is not the problem…
I would like to know if you are having some problem with this unit.
Thanks in advance from Miami 🙏
Yes their software is buggy, has always been. I don't have this anymore
not trying to be a push over about something I don't own but I did just read the maselec compressor has a compression ratio that goes down to 0.006 so that's quite fast, is that faster than this bettermaker? the rockruepel also claims a .006 time.
Brickwall limiters are look-ahead by definition. Any compressor will have AN attack time. The problem, is you do not use a compressor when you need a limiter, as a general rule. A compressor is used to change the envelope of a signal, a brickwall limiter is used to CHOP OFF the transient. These are two different uses, two different purposes. I tackled this in the compressor vs limiter video, I wish everyone mixing and producing would watch that because (I'm not complaining, just saying I haven't freaking seen anyone but me talking about this and making the concept and the differences clear) I get these questions every other day.
So, in practical use, a very fast compressor can tame the transients in a very similar way this (the bettermaker) does.
The problem is a different one: brickwall limiters are one of the few processing that was BORN in digital, why? Because analog can't be look-ahead, so, the question is, do we need an hardware brickwall limiter? Some say yes some say no, I say no if the purpose has to be exactly what a digital brickwall limiter does, because nowadays there are some pretty amazing plugin limiters, namely Weiss, Ozone Maximizer, ProL2, Limiter #6.
If I really wanted a piece of iron for this, I'd get the maselec mpl-2 (peak limiter, not compressor) or the pendulum PL-2, but, after trying, the results (for me) didn't justify the price.
I'd much rather hit my Crane Song HEDD hard if I need
@@mixbustv Hey David. I think those questions come from the popularity of the LA-2a and a billion different clones, both HW and plugins. The limiter/compressor toggle forces the question, from those that don't know the difference.
Limiters have faster attack times, and higher ratios than compressors. Aside from the look ahead feature, some use feedback-style to accomplish the look ahead function for sharp transients.
I do agree, digital limiters are the best for brick-wall purposes. It's physically impossible for analog limiters to catch a peak at 0.0 ms attack in real-time. There MUST be a delay to do the feedback audio with HW. Digital algorithm can simply choose to ignore any overs or clipping. Virtually creating the brickwall.
Did you end up leaving this HW in Germany? I’ve not seen it in your studio since. Looks like you fell in love with the Dangerous AD/DA for clipping, Fusion for saturation and the TC Electronics for final limiting.
I only kept it for a little, not needed
Good stuff here....i'm curious what's that on the right side from Mpressor^?...looks so stylish :))
hey! thanks for the video. Can you please give me your opinion on something? If you had an Apollo x4 and Heritage Audio Successor and you want to expand a bit more... would you say the better buy is Bettermaker Limiter or Dangerous AD+? (for mixing mainly and some mastering setup)
Start with AD+
@@ezrashanti went for it some months ago ;) thanks
@@fernandoherrerabastidas Nice!
Needs more bass 👀
it's been a while, what's your opinion about the limiter? are you still using it? do you recommend it if I have Pro-L/Smart Limit etc?....
have you tried the V2 limiter?
No I don't have it no more, I didn't even keep this one to be honest.
@@mixbustv Can i ask why?
Who made this track
Not sure which one but I mixed all of them
What is the name of the first track?thx!
Why didn’t you keep it in the setup?
Because I don't really find it useful. Brickwall limiting was born digital for a reason.
@@mixbustv i like the clipper and the metering but the limiter is really pumpy, I’m on the fence currently if it’ll improve anything or not.
@@HotelPools not a great investment imho
@@mixbustv we’ll see, I think I have 30 days to return it :) I do like it, just like you said not sure it’s a good investment
@@HotelPools Get the TC Brickwall if you want something else for clipper and metering, both really good on this one (the limiter plays with the big boys, but not to be pushed over 2db, usually others are better)
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Why did you sell this David? Thinking about buying one.
I never bought it in the first place, it was sent to me. I'd rethink. Brickwall limiters were born digital for a reason, it doesn't do anything more or better than plug-in limiters (especially the new gen), and for that price.. no
@@mixbustv thx for that honest answer. - RESPECT
name of song PLEASE!!!
Anyone, what is the pop mix track?
Am I understand this video right and this device (for about 3k$) doesn't have an output compensation feature? Even AOM G2 (50$/year) have "unity gain monitor" feature which save the initial volume of the track.
this thing sounds rad
although there's some weird phasey stereo imaging stuff going on. hmm
that only on the rock tune. the guitars sounds disorientating haha
sorry that was my sonarworks being a dick haha
or maybe i''ve imbibed too much
what is name of the pop track?? ,where can I hear this song??
Ti muovi - Simone Leon Perron
So how do you get the final track printed into the daw with this
Ok that makes perfect sense, what I meant was when you use this to mastering limiter and Change the sound to the final master to render and export your final master from the daw
Do you still use this limiter?
No
I'm a bit of a noob, what does the clipper do exactly?
ZigZag clips the waveform
So would that cause distortion?
ZigZag yes it would but it can also help in retaining some attack, better than a limiter. Just in my opinion though, I could be technically wrong
Good clippers are usually designed so that it's kind of an aggressive limiter (a way to think of it), but instead of being aggressive with dynamics, it rather attacks the harmonics. Just play around with one and see how it works. Would definitely recommend KClip.
Kent Shin did the stuff in the video with the odd and even harmonics have anything to do with the clipper? Or was that just a separate function for saturation?
Nothing really special, i can achieve same results with plugins.
Pretty much. There's a reason why Brickwall limiters were born digital
Lo so che sei italiano come me
And?
@@mixbustv e niente sei forte. ✌️