Loudness is not in Mastering: Is all about the MIX! The Secret to Louder Mixes Crest Factor
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In this video David talks about why the secret of achieving a loud master is all about the MIX! Using different techniques involving saturation, compression, eq, limiting, parallel channels etc..
He shows us one of his mixes as an example of a great mix with a great crest factor, and shows us how to end up with a mix that has the potential to get pushed to high RMS levels at the mastering stage and reach commercial levels without sounding squashed, overcompressed and distorted.
But loudness shouldn't be left to the mastering engineer, shouldn't be left to mastering in general, a good, loud master comes from a good mix, with a good crest factor.
While the loudness war is not as bad as it was before, we still need our mixes and masters to be loud enough to compete with the rest,
using saturation and compression, limiting and gain staging here's a comprehensive overview on how to achieve a potentially loud mix, a dense mix which will be easy to bring up to commercial level at the mastering stage.
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"as you can see, this waveform looks thick as shit" the best line
Its one of the many reasons MixBusTV is the number 1 channel in the world in this field of expertise lol
that cracked me tf up!! instant sub hahaha
agreed X-D
I listened to that line over and over , Laughing for like 10 min. straight 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Literally "a pain in the *ss".
2 years later and about 40 shares to friends and producers who mix their own stuff... This is still the best video for making a track SUPER professional and radio ready. I even hear songs on the radio and sound cloud... That need this video applied to them.
study the mix no time to waste
This is nothing but 30 minutes of fucking gold. You just opened my eyes to so much thank you man
nice to see you here flown lolol
Yes indeed!
THE Best fucking music production/mixing/mastering channel on the entire RUclips community. Hats off to you mate
100% agree
I'm super new here (Mixbus TV), but not new to RUclips production/mixing/mastering channels and yea, that pretty much sums up my sentiment as well, Chris!
Yep 👍
Yes!
Totally agree with that
Couldn't believe my eyes when it went from -4 to -8 and it actually sounded louder 🤯🤯🤯
That was amazing for me too!!
Im assuming cuz he took out some dynamics that the -4 wasnt getting overly compressed but at -8 it is?? Idk that part tripped me up
The output of the limiter is set to -8 which dictates its max level
@@Thesakeable but why did dropping the ceiling another -4db make it sound louder? Signal processing?
CBAN the input of the limiter is pushed further than the output. The difference between input and output will determine the gain in loudness. Plus he saturated the snare on top of that. Saturation, when used this way, adds harmonics to the audio which makes it SEEM „louder“ while the actual loudness drops. It‘s paradox, but that‘s how our ears work. The main gain in loudness is done by the limiter in this case though
There is no doubt, this is one of the best youtube channels for mixing and for producing. Thanks a lot.
***** Thanks you for this videos and tutorials. Regards.
agreed
Elkin Marenco i totally agree!! Hope to achieve that quality someday!
F yea. This guy is on the level and produces no bs. His mixes make shitty music listenable. That amazes me
Hope to achieve that quality someday too! Your channel also attracts nice people! You did it! Well Done!
I never thought about using saturation to reduce peaks before. So many tutorials on the Web just talk about add saturation to this and that to make it sound better and fail to talk about how it affects the sound and most don't seem to cover using saturation to reduce peaks. Before, I just used compression. But this video gave me a new perspective and a new use for using saturation. And it's a pretty darn big reason....to reduce peaks so you get a mix that is better prepared for mastering. This is just outstanding. Your presentation style is also spot on. No waffle, no bs, just straight to the point and this video just flew by because I was so engaged. Really fascinating. This is gold. Really appreciate your hard work. I would love to see more videos on distortion and saturation because like you said its just so important for a professional sounding mix and it's a broad topic. Thanks again
yep. Got a new subscriber in me =)
I had the same revelation. Always used compression for this
How does a video that has lots of "waffle" in it sounds like 🤣
I think the best way to think about all this stuff is that saturation, compression, limiting and clipping are basically all the same, it just a few parameters that change
It felt like I was watching pirated content because it's too good to be free
For The Last Time Lmaoo its funny cause i thought the same amazing content
the real value in daves videos is found when you revisit them..its like a text book...you need to study them...for me about the third time i listen the info sticks and i recall it when im working..and it isnt hard seeing that dave has maybe the coolest voice in the world...thanx dave your a badass....
100%
This is what I'm seeing. I definitely couldn't just copy what he's doing or saying I kinda gotta refer to it when I'm thinking of a mix.
Sh** He just changed the way I mix. Quickly saw my flaws staring back at me in the approach of something I readily admit knowing little about. THANK YOU!!!
I found myself laughing in amusement from how miraculous some of these tips are, especially when you were comparing peak levels. I can't wait to apply all these mixing techniques man, you earned a sub fair and square.
Man, never thought of this crest factor thing. Everytime I watch your videos I kick myself for all the things I didn't do on past mixes, haha.
Sup there david! Love your song covers.
finally not a video about how to create "the secret formula master chain" in ableton. Thanks for opening my eyes.
Awesome info that nobody else could ever explain this clearly, thank you!
So true! You drop so much knowledge! Thanks!
This has completely changed the way I look at my mixes. I always knew there was lots of room for improvement, but I never knew where to start looking. Thanks!
To answer your question at the end, here i'm interested in each of your videos. They're like pieces of the big Puzzle, that i begin to perceive in its entirety.
This one today was, as usual, super clear and enlighting, thank you again El Professor.
Straight to the point. You have very good tips and you're not narrow-minded as most producers. As a producer - I APPROVE!
MixbusTV Honest words! Keep up the good work :-)
This changes everything! Been smiling through this whole video excited to put this all to use!!!
Wow! This site is THE place to go to learn all the things others don't tell you. Thanks, yet again! Really appreciate it.
This one is gold. Was struggling to improve crest factor with compression and EQ... And it's mainly saturation... Thanks for sharing your knowledge & tricks!
haha, "as you can see this waveform looks thck as shit" ! ha
true
Reverend Eslam Sure...Dynamics are one of the most important factors in life. Not just music.
there is this trend in mixing now to control all the dynamics within an inch of their life and then try to bring them back with automation... I guess there's some irony there. There are some interesting things about the nature of saturation here for sure, but there's something really depressing about being excited by what your waveform looks like.
i like dynamics 😁 i think as long as ur kick punches strong you can get away with not playing the loudness war.
Peter Bond i know i dont get it either. Your ears are more important then yours eyes. I never look at the audio waves just listen and watch my rms lvl the max id go is -6 to -8 some say this is loud for a master but i do make paytrance so that -6 is bassline and the rest sit around -8 to -10 who cares what the audio looks like aslong as you have not dubsteped to -4 rms ur good hahaha
just watched a couple of your videos and wow. You explain things that I haven't seen others explain before. I'm definitely subscribed. thanks for all the help. its people like you that help the ones who are self-taught or internet taught the most. the amount of details that you incorporate into your videos is very eye opening. thanks again.
YEEEES, finally, a good mixing tutorial that explains not only what to do, but when and why. This is really helped me in mixing decisions.
Another great video filled with useful information... thanks David.
Best explantion of this concept Ive ever heard! We need more people explaining things like you do!
These are things I always did in my mixes because "I have been told to"... you actually put all the pieces together (parallel comp, saturation, crest factor, peak values) explaining "why" would you want to use those and what to aim for. You cleared out a lot of fog for me today. Thanks so much
one of the best youtube channels for mixing and for producing ! GREAT !
During my 5 years of would-be sound engineer for my band, I ignored saturation... Thanks to your video my mix improved! Just in time before releasing our first EP! Thank you @mixbustv
Extremely well done and YES we want to see the final mastering tips! Finally someone who can explain what they are doing!
Wow!!! I’ve been looking at mixing and mastering RUclips vids for several years and none of them shared this info. This is the best vid I have ever seen on youtube!!!!!!!
Elysia is my favorite compressor. Magic on the stereo image, magic on the soft clip, magic across the board. It's magic. Magic.
MixbusTV I want a mackie mixer with their 500 series Mpressor its quite alot thou 😔
i stuck around for the accent and ended up getting some solid keys in this production life, thanks man!
I think I have learned more from this channel, than I have done from all the other thousands of videos combined that I have watched about mixing & producing. MixbusTV is the shit and I thank you very much David for putting all this out for everyone to watch! Cheers from Sweden!
This is the video I come back to a few times a year to solidify the stuff I've learned since the last time I watched it. So much insight here it's insane. Thank you.
Yes - I'd really love to see the mastering session
nice video by the way, keep going like that!:)
Just tried using more saturation, that and some eq side chaining made huge difference. I don't do rock or EDM but the principle still applies. Thanks.
You explain everything so well. You dumb it down enough that it's extremely easy to follow! Love your vids!
I saw your video in my suggestions list and in 30 minutes you managed to clarify something I never understood in 17 years. Thanks for covering this topic. This will save me soooooo much time and effort. You are a legend!
Gold tutorial, thank you so much.
This changed my entire view of mixing! Also made quiet a few techniques make more sense
Late to the party here, but this info is pure gold. My mixes went from -14 dbfs RMS, while triggering the ISP limiter to keep the peaks at -2 dbfs, to -12dbfs RMS with -5 dbfs peaks and the limiter not touching it. This was using saturation in the channels and on the master bus. Huge improvement. Thanks for your channel and all the great info you share!
I watched this video for the first time years ago and its still one of the best ones out there. I love coming back to great content to keep myself grounding in the truth with so much misinformation out there. Sometime we can get away from the fundamentals and videos like this remind me to apply new info and technique to the fundamental, not replace the fundamentals with them.
Thank you for the Video! Very helpfull, we really live in blessed times where guys like you share their knowledge via youtube. Greetings from Dv Hvnd and yes i would like to see the mastering process too!
I use a free plugin called s(M)exoscope to see visually how much to saturate. Really usefull especially when using vst's and not seeing the rendered waveform like on recorded ones. It basically shows you a real time waveform of anything you play through it.
Thanks for the tip I'll check it out
Yes, that's a great plugin! I use it too :)
Dude!! I learned more in this one video than the last 500 RUclips videos I’ve watched in the last couple weeks! Love your channel!
This was the best info on loudness I’ve seen on RUclips so far. Thanks for sharing !!
Thanks so much for all your videos, really helping me understand mixing better while I work on my first mixtape (will be the "Made From My Bed Mixtape" because I'm making it in my makeshift bed-studio while I'm fighting and slowly recovering from chronic Lyme disease and many other mental and physical illnesses-I'm making it both for me, for catharsis and healing, and also to hopefully reach others who may be in the midst of chronic illness and are looking for some empathy, someone who "gets it," or who just need hope and to now they're not alone). Thanks for taking your time to upload quality content vids to help people like me who have no choice BUT to record from home and do a lot of this on my own.💯👍🏻 Subbed, no brainer!
"Mastering" is the process in which prepares musical material for release on whatever commercial platforms the material is aimed to be released on. Period. Everything else is opinion and whatever proprietary philosophy the "mastering engineer" deems is part of that process. So if a track is otherwise sonically pleasing to the engineer and all they need to do is add a few db to the mix to get it to the target loudness level of the release platform, that's what "mastering" is in that context.
Yes but how many great mixing engineers hand you mixes as clean as these... and you wouldn't say this "mix" in particular cant use some extra transformer style bass? Mixing and Mastering in practical reality, after all the psychology and such, are two different things.. few mixing engineers will NAIL this level of clarity and detail, so the work of the mastering engineer calls for FAR MORE than leveling! Mastering Engineers KNOW how to phatten and fill up (or thin out and clean up) your best effort mix, and they will TELL the mixer what needs fixin, or they will ask for stems and fix it themselves. Ideally all mixes are perfect with the bass matched to the genres needs and the Mastering engineer just targets the loudness. But there is alot you can do to sweeten this mix in particular!
Love this video. Way to go, David! You know what you are talking about. I wish many mixing engineers had your brain! ☺
I've been a huge fan of your tutorials, but this might be my favorite one yet. Great stuff here
Genius stuff dude. Saturation is the way to go. Decapitator and j37 are my fave (so far). I'm consistently struggling with eq and balance myself.
you need to try blackbox
@@redkay7969 that Blackbox is the best as you can saturate without distorting. I use the minimal cheap one I got for around 20bux and its already enough for a nice full mix!
At last !! I've been on this exactly issue for the last 5 years explaining my clients to bring me better mixes , with more controlled dynamics and careful and balanced eq. Mastering shouldn't be a complicated task if engineers know their craft better. Congratulation !!!
Well said, this mix lets you get a great master whatever level the client requests
I was trying this on a mix as I watching this, and there's a night and day difference in my mix! wow! thanks so much, man!
Thank you so much for this! I learned a lot and look forward to practicing and applying these steps to my mixes.
Really amazing!, great info about loundness without increasing dbs. I usually does something similiar with saturators, but the idea of limiting the peaks, and difference between average level and peaks make a lot of sense. Thank you for this incredible video!
Get to the chopppaaaa!
Best mixing channel on RUclips. Keep it up! After 2 years of learning production of the Internet, it's the first time I've heard of Crest Factor, that says a lot about the quality of your explanations.
I finally get why those little soft clip knobs are there for!!! Thanks so much for making these tutorials; they are among the best of the best mixing tutorials!
It took me a while to understand but I think I get it now. Thank you! Can you do us a favor and redo this video for hip-hop mixes? I’m going to test it out myself but I’m curious to see if the same rules apply and I’m sure others are also.
This is got to be the best tutorial on loud mixing. I watch it over two years ago. I've come back a few times I remember how much sense it made. I have yet to put saturation on anything. I've continued to have off balance mixes which give me a headache to get half way decent. Then the CRUST factor comes back to mind. I need the f***ing CRUST factor.
Crust factor is pizza mate haha, you mean crest.
@@mk-1901😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm so glad I went and looked up your past videos. I have absolutely STRUGGLED with getting a mix with loudness potential. It wasn't until you described the role of saturation the way you did that I figured out how to resolve my kick and sub without losing the drive of it.
Crazy you can hear something a million times but doesn't click until someone explains it a certain way. Thank you!
Literally rewatching this video at least once a year
this video has blown my mind, i now understand so much more. Cant wait to put it to practice later
Good tutorial, sensible explanation on how to use the aural exciter, and how to add density by adding low level distortion to the vocal (sounded good) ... the original mix/waveform has the drums already compressed as I hear it. The drums are the most processed of all instruments, doesn't need to be! The final red waveform.. I see you gave it a haircut, this step left out of the tutorial. All that you explained should have produced a very audible improvement IMO, but the final result is major loud and oppressive. The original sounds better turned up loud.. lights up the room when turned up. Generally it's not necessary to use to much sugar in the recipe. it kills the flavor. It's not necessary to over-process (kill) the tone of a guitar, a drum kit, etc., in the effort to make things sound larger. Loudness is also accomplished by the listener. it's called a volume control!
5:06 when you see bae in yoga pants
LOL. Fucking gold, good one. Seriously though, great video!
I agree
This is no doubt barely talked about, you just helped me so much with the saturation techniques! Thank you so much!!!
Yes indeed the *saturation* element, nice to hear you say that, I agree, I have done that since mcmxcv.
Geez man, this was so informative and well presented. At the end of the segment I was looking for the payment method! This level of instruction deserves payment!
That was really good. Really very very good. Best production video I have ever watch. Thank you, sir!
You are the tutorial master I've been looking for. So articulate, exactly what I need to hear.
Very Good explained specially at that part Lofi saturation and limiting , Sounds louder and yet gains 4 dbs of Headroom
Thanks and can you suggest me some good saturation plugins for drums and synths
I wanna have choices rather than using same plugin for all
Thanks always
This makes a lot of sense. If you're trying to increase the loudness of a master, you're going to be flattening your dynamics when bringing the limiter's threshold down - bringing up quiet material and bringing down loud transients. By initially starting out with a less dynamic and "flatter" mix, it'll be easier to bring the whole track to a louder listening level than trying to "flatten" an already very dynamic mix. I can see how this could get out of hand for this reason and you could kill the entire feel of a song through killing it's dynamics, but wow this is really clicking with me. Thank you!
Just watched this video and without even implementing it I already understand why my mixing just improved. Great job!!
Before I saw this video, the very thought of using something resembling distortion when mixing terrified me, because I always associated distortion with degradation. But my mixes had huge crest factors and I could never get them to be loud, no matter what I tried. This video was a major eye-opener for me, and easily one of my favorites on this subject. It introduced me to a whole new way of looking at mixing, and for that, I'm endlessly thankful!
When you saturate and limit, how do you determine the threshold and the peak limit value on the limiter?
I just go of ear and also when you use limiter you have to know why your using it and whats the result you want. Dont just apply anything without knowing the sound your looking for. Limiters are very powerful
By lowering the ceiling until there starts to be a little gain reduction
As regard to the loudness war still going on...Yes no argument there. Replay Gain , standard volume levels for satellite radio, and of course compression on AM/FM radio makes the whole loud mix deal seem stupid and waste of time. I'm sure you realize sir that with Replay Gain for I tunes an old 80's cd will sound better than some modern compressed mix. Why? Replay Gain will play them at equal level. And it will bring the modern hyper-compressed mix down in volume. In the old days Mastering engineers were supposed to make the tape sound good on vinyl. Times change but the loudness war no longer makes sense.
And what about ethical implications? If you are producing and mastering music one would expect that you at least like music, so why destroy it? Because it's your job?
Finally someone giving content of value! thanks mate learn a lot with this video was doing it some of the tips but not thinking it this way you show! Love you!!!
why am i just finding this channel? i've watched about two hours of videos already i love this channel!, opened my eyes to a new perspective can't wait to try some of this stuff
Have you checked out Ian Sheppard's podcast "The Mastering Show"? It's really insightful.
How I see it: The more I learn the more I understand that I don't really know that mush. And that is the reason I always look and read about mixing and mastering, there is always something I don't know. Have a skilful time and always try to learn more. Pinge
INSANASOMNIA Yeah Ian is great as well. I like David too, just started watching these videos by the way... Ian and David supplement each other. Worth checking both out.
Disclaimer: My comment wasn't a bash on this channel, it was just a suggestion for supplemental material on this very large topic that is Mastering. Cheers.
Jon C I agree sir. This video is great advice but they are a lot of mastering engineers who will say "mix normally..Leave loudness to us." Yes, it's a very large topic. Not criticizing the video. The video on "High Pass Madness" brought a smile on my face.
Jon C yeah ive learnt many technuques by many guys so im just collecting info take some leave some and make up my own mind. Also check out produce like a pro! i learn alot by watching interviews and studio tours and how they use there hardware. So grab a cuppa put ur feet up and watch Warren go on tangents hahaha
Good tutorial. But I hate loud mixes.
why? loud mixes are loud
This is quality content - a real lesson that we should be paying for, not just "8 tips" or whatever.
One of the most detailed explanation on this topic. Thank you brother.
This is what I would imagine Dracula would sound like if he did a mix tutorial. 🦷
Loudness wars should be over since LUFS and other leveling systems have become the standard. You make your mix loud and undynamic, you'll be turned down equally and you gain nothing.
@@mixbustv He's right. Your sound is a just a big noise. Do you realize it ??
I've been looking for this for years !!! God bless you man 🙏
I been watching your chanel for a week now. Man wow!! You provide so much knowledge, I learn so much from this chanel. I like the straight to the point no bs and coming from an actual master at his craft!!! I appreciate what you do, your chanel helps me alot in my beat production, mixing etc. You're the best mixing chanel I have ran to! Im glad that we have some one with your knowledge in our community!!! Fkn 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🏽💪🏾
this is one of the best videos on youtube. I share it w/ clients regularly, thank you so much!
Awesome video . Awesome song. The two things I will take away from this video is the way you achieved density in such a clever way and your emphasis on balance. This will change my life. Thank you!!
Gosh I remember watching this video for the first time. Absolutely changed my life😂 Thank you David
This is amazing! Taking drums is my biggest issue and this is great advice! Can't wait to try it out!!
One of the most concise tutorials I've ever watched, thank you!
This is super valuable information. Just echoing others here - your channel is arguably the best in the entire world.
This. Dude. Has changed my life. I have been searching for this for two weeks. My snare was eating up all my head room. I found out logic has a tape delay. That when used correctly, can have a saturation effect. I found 4-5 db of headroom. Thank you!!!!!!!
So glad I came across your channel. Straight to the point and the best explanations out there. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge so freely. I've learned a great deal from your doubtless years of hard work and experience.
Well explained about the overall crest factor and well demonstrated the apparent loudness vs peak levels and all. Extremely informative. Eye opening. Thanks.
I normally don'
t pay attention to these types of channels but skimming through the comments and seeing how much love you guys are getting makes me feel like i might be missing out on the new slice bread got check it out!
Definitely one of the most informative tutorials I've watched in a very long time.
When you spoke about saturation to help tame peaks and frequencies. Then you said the word density. . . you hit the number one thing I tell people and the #1 thing I use to suffer from. You're possibly the only person I've heard to actually comment on a sounds density.