@@bassmania84 Fredrik wears his Holdsworth inspiration directly on his chest for all to see, but IMO, hes one of the only ones out there who actually does it justice and infuses it into something totally different than the source material.
@@Consural one of the best albums of all time. Even though it's heretical to say, at times I feel it's even better than Meshugah itself. Such a strong, powerful, alien, avantgarde album that is so increasingly more immersive and fulfilling as the album progresses. But it is hard though cause Contradictions Collapse, Destroy Erase Improve, Nothing, Catch 33 and Obzen are such masterpieces as well.
I am sure someone from MESHUGGAH would go on youtube and read the comments every now and then and notice that the fans are asking for more solos and the backing vocals coming back would be good. I would luv for their next album to have more solos than DEI even.
This is so fuggin good dude. Wish we had a version of higher audio quality. It’s a crime that this man hasn’t released more of his own stuff. The solos in meshuggah don’t satisfy my thirst like this. He really lets loose here.
faultandfracture it’s like thordendal was implanted in Holdsworth by a xenomorph face sucker, and out of Holdsworth chest popped out Thordendal, baby alien Holdsworth. Mother Holdsworth had more tentacles and baby alien thordendalsworth had more teeth Hahahahahaha both my idols of guitar ahhhhhhh
This is such an awesome piece of music. Hits the essence of why I love Shuggah right there. And now word is out. Fred will be recording the new Shuggah album with his mates. And will be touring with them again. How's that for a wonderful news!
Hate to be "That guy" but it's actually his "3D breath midi controller" demo. He and his guitar tech built this and this is a demo of it in action. The plans for it are on the meshuggah forums as well as a detailed explanation and link to the song. Amazing piece of work. Hope it finds its way on the new meshuggah or special defects album(s).
Not sure what you call it, but that breath-control device is sik as hell. The way it "splays" out the notes at the end, with the tone becomming sharper. Just awesome.
Breath controllers are basically made to control synths like a flute. blowing into it makes the volume go up, and you can set the threshold so that blowing turns it on all the way up, or so that the harder you blow the louder it gets. You can set the blowing up to control other things than volume too though. And the 33 breath controller can be tilted up and down and left and right, and you cen set that up to control things too. It's like a joystick.
Just came across and really weird timing too as I was just listening to DEI last night thinking that I would love them to reintroduce some of the spacey, jazzy melodic interludes that were on that and Contradictions Collapse. They're music would be all the better for it as they've proven time and time again that they have mastered heaviness. A trimmed down part like this would be so sick to hear on a modern Meshuggah album.
crazy how you commented this 10 years ago and it's still not out yet lol. Hopefully soon... Or even a new Meshuggah album, it's been almost 5 years since their last album even though it doesn't seem like it.
@@brentos5001 dude I forgot that a part2 was even in the works thats how long its taken and now Immutable is out and Fredrik barely is part of the band anymore...
@Jdcie 2 ways, can take your pinky and wrap it around the volume knob, as you pick go from 0 - 7 or 8 as to cancel out the sound of the pick. You can also use a volume pedal or something similar to that nature.
@hier0phant Yea, that's cute and all...but none has there been a benevolent being like Fred, and praise is given to the mighty 33 by the faithful down tuned.....
I want to point out that Thordendal's idol is ALLAN HOLDSWORTH, folks. This must be stated as Holdsworth, the legend, is not quite popular, but many players use his tone and imitate his style. A bit weak to just copy Holdsworth, but on the other hand, it is great Holdsworth sets a standard.
My fav guitarist simply becaus ehe does what I'd do if I was as good a shredder....even blend of heavy choppy, chuggy riffs and some awesome leads and shredding! Lotta melody and jazzy composition. Total jazz-metal prog genius. Thanks for posting!
Hey how do I find more like this.. I’ve heard every meshuggah track are there any that sound like this I’m not remembering? Also what is this?? Are there more of these
No, as in wider steps within the scale, so rather than intervals of seconds or thirds, he will tend to use 6th, 7th or stacked triads/arpeggios within the scale shapes he is using. He also uses tapping to achive very wide sounding intervals, often the same scale shape played an octave above.
They toured together, so there's a musical appreciation for each other, so really, it's totally possible. May we hope a tour to support it, too? Hell yes.
@DrumBum561 Unfortunately, this song was never part of an album; it was a demo released to demonstrate a breath controller. I got my copy from a Meshuggah torrent, but I'm pretty sure Fredrik also released this song on the Meshuggah forums.
This is a demo of what you can do with his '33' which is the name of the breath controller midi device on a joystick Johan Haake made for Fredrik. Look up Johan Haake on Google and look for 33! This is not related to Catch 33. He is just amused by the number 33.
I'd love to hear a guy Like Chris Poland (whom I idolize) to make an appearance on a Meshuggah song on an up coming album and trade solos with Fredrik. It would be amazing 2 great jazz/metal guitarists trading solos.
@SevenStringShredHead I think tuning it to E-A-E-A-E-A-C-E (Low to High; Open A minor), would make the most sense in terms of getting such a tuning out of an 8 string. However, I understand your point, and realize that no matter the tuning choice, Devin Townsend would ultimately be a beast at the instrument.
I think the force of your breath controls the volume. So it's like a killswitch which turns off whenether you blow into it. That's why you can't really hear the picking.
Speed is a dynamic which helps you express youself (musically). Sometimes you need to play slow and soft and sometimes you need to play hard and fast. This change/devolpment/evolution makes the musical phrases more interesting (gives them more life). At the 2.07 point Thorendal really gives it some. This "expressive progression" (u know what I mean!) is what gives his playing so much depth (plus why it's so hard to emulate). Maybe this is why he's wearing a Tool shirt; he likes progression.
Is this off his solo album... I haven't picked it up yet, but I'm sold if this is the vibe. I just heard some tracks and I wasn't into the vocals so much. I'm a die hard Meshuggah fan, but I would love to hear an instrumental album with just Fredrik and Tomas... maybe bring in Bill Laswell.
everyone needs to watch the old 98 show meshuggah did in springfield, search on here for it, its so good, his improv is amazing and his stage presence is awesome
To put it basically, in the way a keyboard MIDI controller sends solid signal chains in straight lines as you hit the keys, the breath controller send the signals he plays on the guitar, but loosens up the signal a little bit so it sounds less rigid. Hope that made sense :P
thanks a lot! i figured the whole tone and half tone scale were used a lot. what do you mean by wider intervals? like bits of several modes used in the same key?
Fredrik said that he has the idea for a new album in his head so it's just a matter of time before he unleashes it on the world. We just have to be patient... 12 years and ticking.... I hope we won't have to wait 33 years.
I just noticed that his entire background on myspace is an illustration of the famous Mandelbrot set, which I find very befitting. The Mandelbrot set is where math meets art, it's a visualization of infinite complexity, mystery and beauty, created simple means. It can be appealing even to a layman as it is graspable through our visual sense, even though it lacks almost all of the natural properties known. Fredrik is just an audile Mandelbrot.
@schwarg the story behind this clip as i know it is that this is a test for a breath controller that thordendal recorded as a demo. one of the most insane things i've ever heard... i wish he'd do more of this
@ReActSound The easiest way to approximate it would be to use a Line 6 Vetta II head unit; it's what FT uses exclusively these days and is highly programmable, enabling you to recreate his older sound. Check out the Wikipedia page on him for a good gear list which includes a lot of the kit used on older recordings.
Well as far as I know, it controlls the guitars volume. Fred actually wanted to be able to have control over the volume, by blowing into it. " I was mainly interested in using it as a dynamics controller. I wanted to start a note at a lower volume and then bring it up, like a saxophonist does." However, this never worked as he wanted, so he just plays a note and then blows into the device to make it sound. Like that, he can get those staccato sounds and you can´t hear the picking noise.
0:28 is literally one of the most beautiful phrases I’ve ever heard and it’s just a demo.
Mr. Thordendal is a legend
and the spiral fractal stairs leading upto it 0:23
That phrase reminds me of Steve Vai’s playing on his album Real Illusions Reflections.
And so typical fredrik
these are just holdsworth licks literally.. lol look further back you will see where holdsworth got all these licks from :)
@@bassmania84 Fredrik wears his Holdsworth inspiration directly on his chest for all to see, but IMO, hes one of the only ones out there who actually does it justice and infuses it into something totally different than the source material.
Thordendal wankery is the best. I wish they did more stuff like this in Meshuggah. Or have him put out another solo record.
I agree. Like the ambient part in future breed machine or straws pulled. They should use more breaks like that, a lot more.
Maybe in another 10 years we'll have another solo album. I hope sooner seeing that he made a new studio that looks awesome
wankery lol. agreed.
More like Allan Holdsworth-ly.
He's trying!
I would pay a large sum of money for an entire album of this stuff.
Check out his solo album "Sol Niger Within" if you haven't, in the 7 years that have passed since this comment.
@@Consural one of the best albums of all time. Even though it's heretical to say, at times I feel it's even better than Meshugah itself.
Such a strong, powerful, alien, avantgarde album that is so increasingly more immersive and fulfilling as the album progresses.
But it is hard though cause Contradictions Collapse, Destroy Erase Improve, Nothing, Catch 33 and Obzen are such masterpieces as well.
Man I totally agree and would give your comment a thumbs up... however its sitting comfortably at 33 likes. I'm not gonna be that guy.
@@tobytruman33 Same
Sol Niger Within
Super! It's like "Holdsworth goes metal".
I bet a million that Fredrik has all Allan's albums.
For sure
His solos are very Saxophone-like. And they turn out quite beautiful.
ala the great Allan Holdsworth of which Fredrik is a hige fan of.
This guy has developed a unique style of prog-fusion-death-metal.
Holdsworth! Holdsworth EVERYWHERE!
Long live Alan Holdsworth :) i too am Alans guitar school i really like his jazzy-style ^^
0:29
I'm hearing quite a bit of Vai influence in there as well.
@@MFKR696 yeah, those two for sure are amongst Thordis heros, as well as mine too.
Fredirk is so good at guitar that even in 240p his guitar tone sound's amazing
This guy is just a musical gold mine. Ffs, even his "throwaway demos" are amazing.
Just one of the elements that makes Meshuggsh so unique. Great melodic sense in the midst of the heaviest thunderstorm of riffs. More Fredrick please!
Oh wow, this guy is totally amazing
DUUUUH
@@behindthen0thing ?
After 10 years, still leaves me dazed
I am sure someone from MESHUGGAH would go on youtube and read the comments every now and then and notice that the fans are asking for more solos and the backing vocals coming back would be good. I would luv for their next album to have more solos than DEI even.
one of the most inspirational, and original musicians in metal
This is so fuggin good dude. Wish we had a version of higher audio quality. It’s a crime that this man hasn’t released more of his own stuff. The solos in meshuggah don’t satisfy my thirst like this. He really lets loose here.
All hail the almighty "Alien Holdsworth" 3333333333 3333333333 3333333333 333
faultandfracture it’s like thordendal was implanted in Holdsworth by a xenomorph face sucker, and out of Holdsworth chest popped out Thordendal, baby alien Holdsworth. Mother Holdsworth had more tentacles and baby alien thordendalsworth had more teeth Hahahahahaha both my idols of guitar ahhhhhhh
holy shit I had no idea Thordendal was this technically skilled and tasteful with his melodies
+Andrew Scott Yeah, I think that most of Meshuggah's music is "how fucked up can we make this?" Lol
Check out Sol Niger Within if you haven't. Absolute classic.
for a moment i thought i commented on this
Same
Uhhh, you didn't? This is early Meshuggah all the way!
This is such an awesome piece of music. Hits the essence of why I love Shuggah right there. And now word is out. Fred will be recording the new Shuggah album with his mates. And will be touring with them again. How's that for a wonderful news!
thank you for existing fredrik.... :') i cry when i listen to this man
That was great. And a great tribute to Allan. i washed out my brain with this after listening something bad. thanks, I feel much better now.
One of his best songs. I love how Fredrik incorporates a Holdsworth feel into his solo music.
"B" Lydian.
Hate to be "That guy" but it's actually his "3D breath midi controller" demo. He and his guitar tech built this and this is a demo of it in action. The plans for it are on the meshuggah forums as well as a detailed explanation and link to the song.
Amazing piece of work. Hope it finds its way on the new meshuggah or special defects album(s).
Fredrick wearing Tool March is everything to me 🤘😎🤘
Not sure what you call it, but that breath-control device is sik as hell. The way it "splays" out the notes at the end, with the tone becomming sharper. Just awesome.
How sweet the tones are, the tight warm chunks and the juicy lead. Hail this !
Breath controllers are basically made to control synths like a flute. blowing into it makes the volume go up, and you can set the threshold so that blowing turns it on all the way up, or so that the harder you blow the louder it gets. You can set the blowing up to control other things than volume too though. And the 33 breath controller can be tilted up and down and left and right, and you cen set that up to control things too. It's like a joystick.
as much as i love meshuggah, i wish more of it sounded like this. you hardly ever get to hear fredrik's axe prowess on their releases.
it sounds like he's using that effect he uses in future breed machine where he uses a breathing device. this guy's style is just madness
Just came across and really weird timing too as I was just listening to DEI last night thinking that I would love them to reintroduce some of the spacey, jazzy melodic interludes that were on that and Contradictions Collapse. They're music would be all the better for it as they've proven time and time again that they have mastered heaviness.
A trimmed down part like this would be so sick to hear on a modern Meshuggah album.
How can a song that came out like 25years ago goes that hard ? Didn't the metal evolved in a quarter of a century ? Love that
...words cannot describe the awesomeness of this song!
fuck this is so jazz-fusion-ey !!
Jansher Aquib Djazz!!!
Does anyone know where I could get a high quality version of this recording?
I’d love to know as well!
why is this guy so fucking awesome? his music is insane on many levels.
I really can't wait for his 2nd Special Defects album!
crazy how you commented this 10 years ago and it's still not out yet lol. Hopefully soon... Or even a new Meshuggah album, it's been almost 5 years since their last album even though it doesn't seem like it.
Well now we have Immutable. Hopefully SDFX2 is out soon
@@brentos5001 dude I forgot that a part2 was even in the works thats how long its taken and now Immutable is out and Fredrik barely is part of the band anymore...
@@RobertoReyesChHC what do you mean, he’s touring with them and everything
@@YoupHummelink He's written nothing in both TVSOR and Immutable except for the solos
Im lucky enough to have met Fredrik twice, and managed to get my 8 string signed by him and Marten on their Obzen tour to NZ! Stoked!!!
So beast
This is incredible
Aliens engineer new dimensions with a substance known as thordendallium
@Jdcie 2 ways, can take your pinky and wrap it around the volume knob, as you pick go from 0 - 7 or 8 as to cancel out the sound of the pick. You can also use a volume pedal or something similar to that nature.
@hier0phant Yea, that's cute and all...but none has there been a benevolent being like Fred, and praise is given to the mighty 33 by the faithful down tuned.....
I want to point out that Thordendal's idol is ALLAN HOLDSWORTH, folks. This must be stated as Holdsworth, the legend, is not quite popular, but many players use his tone and imitate his style. A bit weak to just copy Holdsworth, but on the other hand, it is great Holdsworth sets a standard.
Beautifil Disaster! Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Much Feelings
Ya Fredrik is Awesome to listen to! One of my 3 top guitarists of all time! Bring on SPECIAL DEFECTS 2!
My fav guitarist simply becaus ehe does what I'd do if I was as good a shredder....even blend of heavy choppy, chuggy riffs and some awesome leads and shredding!
Lotta melody and jazzy composition.
Total jazz-metal prog genius.
Thanks for posting!
Fantastic.
True story: I crashed my car while listening to this. It was that mesmerizing.
Hey how do I find more like this.. I’ve heard every meshuggah track are there any that sound like this I’m not remembering? Also what is this?? Are there more of these
George Soden I heard it like 10 lol one of my favorite albums ever actually...
George Soden dude it’s like a being from another dimension made an album...
Go to his Wikipedia page. And it will give songs he is featured in and side projects he is worked on.
@@metalheadpolack check out his solo album, Sol Niger Within. It's basically a full album of this.
Thanks for saving me the time of uploading this. I've been meaning to do this for like a year lol!
This is simply beautiful.
No, as in wider steps within the scale, so rather than intervals of seconds or thirds, he will tend to use 6th, 7th or stacked triads/arpeggios within the scale shapes he is using. He also uses tapping to achive very wide sounding intervals, often the same scale shape played an octave above.
Fredrik in a Tool sweater. My heart can only take so much!
In the 90s they did tour together,
Tool and Meshuggah
@@TheMarioMan247 I wish I saw them when they were opening for tool!
For the love of God someone make him and Tosin do an album together.
They toured together, so there's a musical appreciation for each other, so really, it's totally possible. May we hope a tour to support it, too? Hell yes.
Agreed
music isnt ready for that yet lol
Tosin doesn't deserve to be in the same room with Fredrik.
Tosin is awesome but Fredrik is a god
@0D1STURB3D0 Well I don't know, perhaps bass gives an overall completely different sound?
How have I not heard this yet?? Wonderful :) Can't wait for more...
*Fredrik writes his songs with an electronic abacus.*
@titology
Incorrect. An unused composition from 'Sol...' possibly but this doesn't occur on the released version of the album.
@DrumBum561 Unfortunately, this song was never part of an album; it was a demo released to demonstrate a breath controller. I got my copy from a Meshuggah torrent, but I'm pretty sure Fredrik also released this song on the Meshuggah forums.
This is a demo of what you can do with his '33' which is the name of the breath controller midi device on a joystick Johan Haake made for Fredrik. Look up Johan Haake on Google and look for 33!
This is not related to Catch 33. He is just amused by the number 33.
I'd love to hear a guy Like Chris Poland (whom I idolize) to make an appearance on a Meshuggah song on an up coming album and trade solos with Fredrik. It would be amazing 2 great jazz/metal guitarists trading solos.
It's solo's like this I miss in Meshuggah, instead of his usual one tone solo's.. Just my opinion!
@SevenStringShredHead I think tuning it to E-A-E-A-E-A-C-E (Low to High; Open A minor), would make the most sense in terms of getting such a tuning out of an 8 string. However, I understand your point, and realize that no matter the tuning choice, Devin Townsend would ultimately be a beast at the instrument.
@sheps999 Do you know if torrents exist for a demo album? Or even one for a cobbled together "album" of his solo work? That would be savage!!!
Universally awesome. Wow...
Beautiful 👌
Many of the ideas of the fusion greats but this shit is his. Rule Fredrik Thordendal
This is amazing. Thanks so much for uploading.
I'm going to request this song be played on the biggest jbl speakers as my body is lowered into the ground wen I die lol
I think pressure is measured then used as volume control.
I think the force of your breath controls the volume. So it's like a killswitch which turns off whenether you blow into it. That's why you can't really hear the picking.
@rbass311
Then why is the breath device called the 33 MIDI Breath Controller?
This is too amazing
Speed is a dynamic which helps you express youself (musically). Sometimes you need to play slow and soft and sometimes you need to play hard and fast. This change/devolpment/evolution makes the musical phrases more interesting (gives them more life). At the 2.07 point Thorendal really gives it some. This "expressive progression" (u know what I mean!) is what gives his playing so much depth (plus why it's so hard to emulate). Maybe this is why he's wearing a Tool shirt; he likes progression.
Is this off his solo album... I haven't picked it up yet, but I'm sold if this is the vibe. I just heard some tracks and I wasn't into the vocals so much. I'm a die hard Meshuggah fan, but I would love to hear an instrumental album with just Fredrik and Tomas... maybe bring in Bill Laswell.
everyone needs to watch the old 98 show meshuggah did in springfield, search on here for it, its so good, his improv is amazing and his stage presence is awesome
I second that vote!!! btw this song is orgasmic to the ears!!! Fredrik Thordenal FTW!!! Meshuggah Forever!!!
To put it basically, in the way a keyboard MIDI controller sends solid signal chains in straight lines as you hit the keys, the breath controller send the signals he plays on the guitar, but loosens up the signal a little bit so it sounds less rigid. Hope that made sense :P
he solos beautifully
thanks a lot! i figured the whole tone and half tone scale were used a lot. what do you mean by wider intervals? like bits of several modes used in the same key?
El guitarrista mas arriesgado y creativo de la historia reciente del metal. Holdsworth inspirador inmortal.
Great post haven't heard this until now! :)
Extraordinario
This is my first time hearing this, and it has a lot of Satriani nuances.
good catch, I wonder if Fred ever hung out with Joe sharing licks... both being Ibanez artists and all...
Fredrik said that he has the idea for a new album in his head so it's just a matter of time before he unleashes it on the world. We just have to be patient...
12 years and ticking.... I hope we won't have to wait 33 years.
Your comment was 11 years ago, so 1/3. But my money is on it coming within 5 years.
@@TheRealSorav Need to have a reddit reminder for 4 years from now... I am not holding my breath
I just noticed that his entire background on myspace is an illustration of the famous Mandelbrot set, which I find very befitting. The Mandelbrot set is where math meets art, it's a visualization of infinite complexity, mystery and beauty, created simple means. It can be appealing even to a layman as it is graspable through our visual sense, even though it lacks almost all of the natural properties known. Fredrik is just an audile Mandelbrot.
@schwarg the story behind this clip as i know it is that this is a test for a breath controller that thordendal recorded as a demo. one of the most insane things i've ever heard... i wish he'd do more of this
Thanks for the info! Genius stuff indeed!
@sheps999 The song "Deconstruction" off of Townsends album DECONSTRUCTION features Thordendral on lead
Remindes me Of Allan Holdsworth ❤ Your a wonderful guitar player Fredrik!
this song is perfect for the gym!
thank you again. Much appreciated!
@ReActSound The easiest way to approximate it would be to use a Line 6 Vetta II head unit; it's what FT uses exclusively these days and is highly programmable, enabling you to recreate his older sound. Check out the Wikipedia page on him for a good gear list which includes a lot of the kit used on older recordings.
omfg... masterpiece
sounds jazzy and smooth i likes
Does anyone know exactly how his custom made breath modulator thingie works?
Fredrik Holdsental o Fredrik Thordenworth, algo así, la mescla perfecta!
Well as far as I know, it controlls the guitars volume. Fred actually wanted to be able to have control over the volume, by blowing into it. " I was mainly interested in using it as a dynamics controller. I wanted to start a note at a lower volume and then bring it up, like a saxophonist does."
However, this never worked as he wanted, so he just plays a note and then blows into the device to make it sound. Like that, he can get those staccato sounds and you can´t hear the picking noise.
can anyone tell me what scales thordendal uses in his soloing? i have a general idea, but id like to know if theres anything specific i can practice
ahhh.. i don't think anybody has a better guitar sounds. Fredrik's is just so, beautifully apocalyptic
my absolute favourite by the way
This may be the demo to show off a breath controller, but it's some of the best metal I've ever heard.