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@@drdreddmanofmystery9482 why is it unforgiveable exactly? Why is killing someone with one spell so much worse than repeatedly slamming them against the ground, lighting them on fire, and throwing stones or explosive barrels at them like we are usually doing?
People say Sebastian is the bro of this game but damn, think of Ominis. He was pretty much dragged along kicking and screaming the whole and having his concerns totally ignored but still he sticks around and helps the whole time. And in the end he still doesn't want to turn Sebastian in even after he fucks up his life doing exactly what Ominis warned him not to do the whole time. Dude is a bro till the end.
@@Popilo-dr5ef not only that, Ominis most definitely was willing to snitch on Sebastian . Yes he seemed "torn" about doing it, but com'on, he was leaning on the side of turning in Sebastian. NOT BFF ride or Die energy 😂
@@Flybird504 it's during the Jackdaw story line. If you choose Hufflepuff, you get to visit Azkaban and see what it does to a person who gets sent there at Hogwarts age.
I don't get how the unforgivable curses are worse than my favourite combo freezing and shattering people or transforming them into explosives to throw at their friends. At least the killing curse leaves a body to bury.
I think its about the Intent. There are other uses for most Spells, but Avada Kedavra is exclusively for murking. And depending on the murk, it can split and/or deeply taint your soul because you *need* to want death upon someone or the spell simply won't work. Crucio is just a warcrime, a weapon that uses unneccessary Imperio tho... Yeah, I get your point exactly here. You can use it peacefully, by ordering something like "begone and never come back" instead of straight up "kys".
@@yamato9753 Well I do agree with you on Crucio as it's an unnecessary spell (although I would use it rarely on someone like Bellatrix to give them what they deserved for torturing Hermione and the longbottoms). It is an unnecessary spell (I will explain later why). But, I disagree on Aveda Kedevra. Why having murking intent for someone who is trying to murk me or my friends or innocent people around for some puny gain, pleasure or convince, considered bad?? Imo I wouldn't mind blasting away a death eater with AK. Imperio is an extremely good spell. It basically makes Crucio useless. You usually use Crucio for taking out info from the one on which the spell is casted (unless you're a sadistic maniac like Bellatrix who casts it to derive pleasure from pain). You can simply imperio anyone and order them to give the required info and be on your merry way. It can be used in many creative ways that can avoid unnecessary violence.
@@FIRE-yy1zt Tbf, my reasoning above is just me trying to make sense of things. I agree with everything. Especially Magizoologists should know avada kedavra when investigating or documenting dangerous beasts. I would not hesitate to insta-murk an Acromantula myself, those things are vicious by choice. And Imperio too. Like we agreed on, only crucio is always a dick-move.
The “Evil” choices are so damn funny in this game. Hilarious like when you’re just a dick for basically no reason. 😂 “No I’m not going to return your gobstones.”
Remember Conrad from Mass Effect? You're playing as him in whole game. When in fact he was just clouded with Shepard's fanboyism and in the end got what he always wanted. To be a hero of sacrificing himself for protecting Shepard just to get impressed by one woman and be with her to the end.
To me there is no “evil” choices in this game. There are a few dickish choices but no true evil ones even harnessing the ancient magic at the end isn’t evil to me because just possessing that ancient magic is neither good or bad. It is what you do with it that will make it evil or not
I like that throughout this game, you encounter NPCs (mostly wizards and witches) who need you to help save their mooncalf or clear out a castle full of ashwinders and poachers and get pissed when you demand extra compensation for your efforts. One woman in the Poidsear Coast told me I was worse than the ashwinders who murdered her fellow villagers because I expected another 200 galleons for my efforts. I'm like "bitch, I'm a fifth year student at Hogwarts. You're a Hogwarts graduate and a fully trained witch. You clear out the castle of ashwinders next time, you thankless dick".
Oh my God, yeeees. Was flying around looking for world quests and found her, accepted her quest then immediately realized the person she wanted dead already had got murked when I was testing out Avada Kadavra an hour earlier. I like to imagine she got so pissed cause I accepted, took a few steps away realized he was already dead and just came back like "Done." Then immediately demanded more pay. Still an insufferable bish tho.
Oh that NPC gets angry at you if you demand more money? I've demanded extra compensation from other NPCs and they didn't get angry, like the astrolabe girl. She only gives you clothes if you don't demand galleons, but if you do, she says it's reasonable. The only NPC from side quests I made angry was the witch who asks you to save a diricawl from poachers. The witch kept saying how she was gonna pluck the diricawls feathers and make a ton of money off of it. I decided not to hand over the diricawl. She immediately started hurling insults at me and said she hoped the diricawl pecked my eyes out. Hilarious tbh
I legitimately loved Ominis as a character. He was definitely my favorite. I thought the choice to make him blind was fascinating and unique, (and more certainly because of inbreeding) but ultimately it was the fact that he was just a sweet kid trying to distance himself from a horrible legacy that really sealed it for me. Especially knowing he is Voldemort's great-uncle which in perspective is so cool. As for Sebastian, I didn't turn him in. I had deeper story reasons for not doing so, but I can look back and say that since I was viciously slamming people into the ground like ragdolls, I didn't have a lot of room to talk about morality, haha.
And if you are in Hufflepuff...you see Azkaban firsthand........it's a fate worse than death. Sebastian was more misguided on his actions. Just to save someone he loves...and it wasn't completely his fault he ended up killing his uncle. It was out of self-defense as far as I see it. Living what he did for the rest of life.....that's the best of punishments.
I refused to turn him in because of two things 1) his uncle may have been traumatising him the whole time and the moment he destroyed the artifact, Sebastian snapped and killed him in a fit of rage. There are potential cases of abuse that could be levelled against Solomon for how he treated his nephew. Also if the ministry learnt of this artifact that could remove and control dark curses, they would want to study it intently just to develop better ways of protecting people from the dark arts. 2) Anne would be left without any family and be put in a state of depression before taking despawning herself, that would affect Ominous as well leaving him with no one in his life. Yes Sebastian messed, but so did Solomon and he set the wizarding word back by destroying the artifact. All Sebastian wanted was to remove the curse Rookwood put on her so she could come back to Hogwarts and be happy.
This is one of the most morally difficult choices in the whole game, on one hand if you turn Sebastian in then that leaves an ailing Anne with nobody, no family at all to care for her. On the other hand, if you choose not to turn him in and he later chooses to continue on a path of evil then you would bear some responsibility for him not facing consequences for his actions. In the end, you can only make the decision you feel is the right one, because either could be potentially right or wrong depending on a future that you have no way of foreseeing. This is the one thing that I never really understood about the Harry Potter universe. Why is the killing curse any worse than any other spell that has the potential to kill? I mean dead is dead, why is Incineration by fire or dropping someone off a cliff an acceptable form of ending a life but that spell isn't? I mean, I can see Crucio and Imperius because torture is pretty vile and so is taking away someone's control of their own mind in most cases.
Well I can see reasons for them . . . Avada Kadavra 1) You have to mean it. No ifs, no ands, no buts you have to mean it which in turn means intent inluding the intent to use it from learning it in the first place. 2) Its generally unblockable meaning no defence against it so someone acting in "heat of the moment" intent can't be stopped. That to me gives a pretty good reason to ban it and ban it thoroughly since every wizard is essentially a loaded gun walking around the world. Get mad fireball your ex, get drunk turn the tavern into an eldritch puzzle of mispronounced spells. Teaching people the killing curse turns them from a loaded gun that other witches and wizards can potentially keep from doing something they'd regret when drunk or in the heat of the moment to someone who if they slip up can't be stopped. Drunk wizard, big fight, incendio shield spells and the like can stop it or possibly heal the victims. Same situation and they cast Avada Kadavra there's no stopping that and no bringing the one hit by it back which may not even be the target of their intent as we don't know whether the spell can miss. Imperio This is an easy one you're a government official and know of a mind controlling spell that can't be detected or countered are you going to want anyone including political rivals, disgruntled public or for the greater good types running around knowing and potentially using this spell? How big a step is it from humiliate a bully by making them dance naked in the town square to controlling key government officials to pass laws you want. Crucio Honestly I can't see a reason for this one to be allowed (Slytherin's door notwithstanding) as it exists solely to make another person suffer horrific pain that can potentially drive them mad. Really while a case could be made where the first two are allowable in certain situations (force a mentally or emotionally unstable person to step away from a ledge so they can be helped or taking down a lethal threat quickly and painlessly like an Acromantula) why would you ever need to torture someone? Especially as its been shown those tortured will often say anything to make it stop true or not meaning you can't rely on the information it gains anyway.
The way I see it, spells like confringo or glacius or depulso are not designed to kill or maim people. There's many uses for starting a fire, freezing something or throwing an object. These spells are not necessarily combat-related. There would be no case for banning them. But Avada Kadavra has only one function, that's murder. So it makes sense that it's banned. Your character is just wayyyy too creative with using normal spells to send people to their maker. Lol.
@@liamwarner5749 You made pretty good points about each curse, but I think there is a common misconception about Avada Kedavra (AK) that it's painless. It's not. I mean, it is physically painless because your body doesn't suffer from any trauma (for example when you get hit with confringo or incendio) but what AK does, is ripping your soul out of your body, still causing terrible pain. In the Harry Potter series, Voldemort told Harry about him experiencing the AK when it backfires after the unsuccessful attack against baby Harry.
@@arvixella3042 Harry didn't seem to experience any pain when killed by it. I feel he's a better guide than someone who had already ripped his soul to pieces and for all we know the pain of the rebounding curse was actually the pain of his Horcrux's keeping him from passing on as he was meant too.
@@liamwarner5749 While you may be right about Harry being a more reliable narrator, he was a baby, not being able to remember much from the incident but a green flash and a cold callous laugh. It is stated in the first book that whenever he remembers the incident he does feel a flash of pain too. The nature of pain Harry experiences whenever he is close to Voldemort or when he tries to recall the attack is arguable, since we do not know whether his pain is caused by AK, or it originates from the fact that he himself is a horclux. And while I think we agree that Voldy is not a reliable source of information (as the first book states when he tried to lie about Harry's parents not being brave when they faced him) in the context of him telling Harry that he dealt with great pain when his curse backfired, there is nothing to gain for him by lying about it. In the seventh book, when Voldemort does cast the AK on him again, he is not really killing Harry, but killing his horclux which isn't a part of Harry's, but more like an addition to it. The horclux is the extension of Voldy's soul (or in better words, what's left of it) so his own curse rips the horclux, but manages to leave Harry's soul intact. Although on a second thought, you may be right. Sorry for dragging the topic a bit longer than it was necessary.
"Turning Sebastian in would seal his fate in the Dark arts" No it wouldn't. Because at best he would be barely alive by the time he gets freed (IF he gets freed, though it's acknowledge he might get a lighter sentence on account of his age) and at worst would be left to rot and suffer at the hands of the Dementors. In any case, not enough would be left of him to enable him to dwell in the Dark arts. And aside from absolute shit like Voldemort, Bellatrix, Umbridge, Barty Crouch Jr, the Gaunts (save for Merope) and Rookwood, no one deserve to be handed to these abominations.
I really wish there was a 3rd option where you could talk to someone like Professors Hecat, Weasley or Sharp and they're able to find him help without turning him in.
Lmao, no. In the other path you justify his murdering of his own uncle, forcing another living thing to slit it's own throat open, and to cast Crucio with the idea that the 'Ends justify the Means'. You seal his fate into the Dark Arts because in the HP lore, it's confirmed that the Dark Arts are a corrupting practice on the user's soul. He has already proven he is unmitigable in stubborness, and will not listen to any one. Not even his best friend - Ominis Gaunt - who is staunchly against the Dark Arts having experienced them first hand. If anything, you've enabled him keep going down the slippery slope. Both endings 100% are leading up to him coming back in the Sequel as quite likely a Dark Wizard, and not your friend. I promise you tehre will be a story arc involving you having to fight him. They've already hinted that a sequel is in development.
I chose not to turn in Sebastian. #1 We are told over and over in the books that Azkaban prison is worse than death. It doesn’t rehabilitate people or make them see the error of their ways. It drives them insane and typically makes them worse than before. #2 His uncle attacked us first, he attacked an Inferi standing in front of Sebastian and then used Accio to steal the relic which I consider an attack. He then accidentally caused the Inferi to go berserk. In all honesty it was self-defense and throughout the battle our character was even yelling at the uncle to stop. #3 We know that based on Isadora’s memories, the magic can work in removing pain, so Sebastian wasn’t wrong. I personally don’t think Sebastian could have resisted the temptation since by the end of the story he wasn’t attempting to just remove the curse but control the curse as well. At which point I think our character could have returned him to his senses
Exactly. Also to note that during the fight, the uncle uses Bombarda on you. The field guide page on the small stairs to the right in the Belltower entrance will give people an idea about what that leads to. It might not be an "unforgivable" but it certainly isn't pleasant.
His uncle was not trying to kill us he was just trying to stop what was going on by weakening us he knew Sabastien was going to go out of control and he was right sabastien trying to save his sister made him take a life not only that teach u dark curses which is super bad already and knew the outcome so he was already breaking rule after rule for his own gain
I know, like the uncle is an Auror, and he attacks kids that still go to school? Ok. I actually spent long long minutes only fighting the Inferi and not the uncle to see if something, anything would happen to make him stop. But nope, the dude kept coming at me, no matter what you do, he's set up on literally killing you. I didn't like how Sebastian used Avada Kedavra at the end, but since I was a Hufflepuff, I saw Azkaban and uuuugh, nei I'm not sending a kid in there (especially since I was playing my first gameplay as the goodie two shoes who is a 100% pure Hufflepuff- also I knew from other playthroughs that Sebastian "was missing" at the end of the game, seeing him getting worse and worse I felt that he either died or got sent to Azkaban (at 15?? like what the hell is wrong with the wizarding world?!), so I wanted to see if I could "save" him. Sad we can't reason with him beforehand, tho). I don't think morally he was right to do what he did, but I also think sending him to Azkaban isn't the right answer as well- at least, from where I was standing when I was playing my "good guy" game. When I play a dark wizard I'll 100% betray him tho lol
Sebastion's uncle attacks you for being with Sebastion. He does not have any way to stop him from attacking you. He doesn't have any other resolution and he is trying to kill you. Killing the uncle is self defence.
The uncle is already defeated when Sebastian kills him. If he had used AK in the heat of battle, there would be no case for turning him in. However, he used AK on a defenceless man (his abusive uncle but still a person) in a fit of rage. All that being said, Azkaban will not make Sebastian better (if he ever got out, he'd be even worse probably), so if you see reformation as the primary goal of punishment (and that's how you're playing your character) that's a point against turning him in
Yeah won't lie, I went around the battle, avoiding attacking him, trying to kill the Zombies and blow down the door to run away but the guy was dead set on trying to kill us. Like Insta killing is bad but setting a pair of 16 year old kids on fire and trying to burn them to death is A-OK
actually i believe sebastian says ominis was born blind due to his family line ( that being the bloodline of salazar slytherin ) being pure blooded. for those who dont know what that means, it means people in omnis's family married each other, sisters married brothers and cousins married cousins. this was meant to keep the bloodline pure but it also led to health issues which leads to poor ominis being blind from birth.
Thats why Tommy boys mama was so messed up looking too. Maybe if they married outside the family, she wouldnt have needed to drug a man into sleeping with her.
@@GXG420 that's how old english royalty and basically all older royalty used to do it. Ideally you would marry a third cousin or a second cousin but they literally kept it in the family. Siblings was last recourse.
Sebastian when he kills his uncle and might get sent to Azkaban: “I didn’t mean to kill my uncle!” Sebastian 10 seconds later while learning us the killing curse: “And remember, like with all the unforgivable curses, you have to mean it.”
Honestly I blame Sebastian’s downfall on his uncle and his uncle solely. And I DO think the uncle deserved to die. He was unrelenting in his pursuit to seriously injure if not murder 2 minors. At the beginning any attempt Sebastian made to investigate Ann’s situation was met with degrading comments and verbal abuse to Sebastian as well as completely out of pocket insults about Sebastian’s late family. When someone is trying their damndest to help someone with good intentions and is constantly met with ridicule and criticism those intentions will inevitably become perverted because it’s isolating. So ultimately I think the uncle reaped what he was sowing the whole time.
same, i believe his uncle was truly a BITCH. Sebastian's was the twin brother... and he was only trying to cure his sister. What the fuck does this uncle gets in the middle for? And has a opinion about everything when he is just CLUELESS. In the end, sebastian was right...there was a way to remove the pain. They forced him into the dark side. His goal was noble from the start...all he wanted is to save his sister. And he did that while his uncle, his best friend and even his own sister didn't believe in him and had already given up.
@@akhsdenlew1861 EXACTLY! And I don’t know the full context of the relic but I really don’t understand what the problem with utilizing it to remove Ann’s curse. Ann was an innocent bystander who was cursed with dark magic. Even if the relic utilizes some form of dark magic you kind of have to fight fire with fire. I know there was maybe some mention that the relic required a sacrifice, but they didn’t go into detail as to what that entailed. And I can’t imagine whatever it was was worth Ann dying over. But in any case maybe if one person gave Sebastian some grace and support he would be able to think more clearly and possible find an even better solution.
I agree completely. Not to mention he didn't care that you were there to stop Sebastian and attacks you anyway while you scream at him the entire battle to stop. He's a monster.
While I do agree that the uncle was to blame. Sebastian was really starting to get out of control. Raising and controlling the dead? Charging into combat without considering the safety of his party? Learning and using adavra kadavra on a family member?? Regardless of whose fault it was sebastian made some pretty shitty decisions and needs to get locked up
I decided not to turn in Sebastian, after finishing the main quest you get to talk to him in the main hall. When i told him it wasn't the goblins who cursed Anne, his anger towards goblins disappeared.
I didn’t turn him in, but I wish they would’ve given me the option to call him out on his lie. He says I didn’t mean it goes against everything he himself has taught you about the dark arts. You have to mean it to even cast it.
Yes, and you can mean it in the heat of the moment, yet not truly mean the outcome and regret it afterwards. Look at even Harry in the books, he used Cruccio. And Aurors are allowed to use the unforgivables. Doesn’t make them evil. He was also 100% under the influence and temptation of the relic. His goal was to cure Anne, not control Inferi. Solomon attacked first and was using the exploding curse on both characters. That curse should also be unforgivable if you ask me, with what it can do to people, as evidenced but the burn mark in Hogwarts. And Azkaban is not something even most dark wizards deserve tbh.
He meant it, but it’s the fundamental difference between first degree murder and second degree. First degree is “I’ve made a plot to intentionally take this person’s life, and attempted to carry it through.” Second degree is “I walked in on my spouse having an affair and in a moment of blind rage, assaulted and took the life of the affair partner.” He “meant it,” but as a boy consumed by emotion in a highly intense moment-who didn’t really stop to consider the impact of his actions until it was too late. That he justified after was his attempt to silence his own conscience. It’s after when he’s shown unmerited mercy by his friends and disowned by Anne does he truly come to understand what he’s become and regrets it.
@@IAteYourSandwich Aurors are not ordinarily permitted to use the Unforgivable Curses. Crouch lifted the ban to allow aurors only to use it during the First Wizarding War against Tom and the Death Eaters, and the ban was reinstated after Riddle's setback at Godric's Hollow. The ban was first implemented in 1717, ten years after the Wizards' Council was reorganized into the British Ministry of Magic.
Which can lead to hilarious results cause I remember sometimes choosing a dialogue that seemed normal and harmless and suddenly my character is being all sarcastic or snobby and I'm sitting there like "wtf?" 😂
Turning Sebastian and obtaining ancient power for yourself is the key to playing the dark wizard in this game. You not only master the Dark Arts by manipulating and gaslighting your friends, but you also become a hero to the world because every witness is either dead, rotting in Azkaban, or your accomplice (read: Ominous) and inclined to keep silent. I mean, Voldy could learn a trick or two from our polite and soft-spoken protagonist😈
Except the powers came from Salazar Slytherin. He locked the book it in deep Hogwarts to be found by true wizards who are willing to go deeper for it. Which you and Sebastian find it.
@@thebufoon I'm not talking about the book, it's fairly useles to our protagonist. Spoilers ahead!!!! Sebastian is the one to teach you every single Unforgivable curse, and you can encourage him to go on this path, justifying every questionable decision right untill you stab him in the back and turn him in. Power is left by the keepers to whomever poses a talent of seeing and weilding ancient magic (read: mc). But they wanted for you to guard and protect it from coming out to the world, and you can choose to take it for yourself, effectively killing professor Fig in the process. But it looks like accident and you save Hogwarts from that goblin, so everyone think you are a hero. Pretty dark stuff if you ask me 😈
@@tj3603 The choices in game don't really matter and you cannot change the path you go with in the game. You can be just a d to every side quest character and that's about it. And in the end doesn't have any effect for having the piece of power to yourself.
@@thebufoon yeah, this is true, sadly. Sebastian's quest is the only one with any meaningful consequences. But you know, it's all in our head canons and perseption of context anyway 🤷 Sebastian going to learn Unforgivables anyway, but you can be consistent and try talk him out of it, as goody two shoes, or you can manipulate him to sharing the knowledge, and than send him to Azkaban, lying to Ominis that you tried to change his mind, but now he had to face the consequences. From roleplaying perspective, there's the difference.
Solomon was afraid of the cost of a possible cure. He was also afraid of false hope. Sebastian went to far. Solomon became the way he is after using a unforgivable curse on a dark wizard. That messed him up. He was afraid of how far Sebastian would go. If the cure would cost the life of another, Sebastian likely wouldn't hesitate.
@@crazyanimegamer5667 unforgivable curses ain’t evil tho. It’s just a spell and they are magic only ones who turn into evil n use such magic are evil. think of u faced against a enemy that’s mostly resistance to magic and a curse type can help kill it would u truly use it. Solomon felt wait of a live after using a curse spell against a person (basically he sees a evil wizard as a person which is nice but… he shouldn’t of) because he could saved who knows who if he didn’t kill that evil wizard. He was afraid of methods but he also gave up on Anne he shouldn’t force others like the brother give up. All he wanted was save his sister. If u watch the Harry Potter movies u know Harry’s uncle was sent to Azkaban and he suffered and broke think what would Azkaban do to a kid like the brother just on one one mistake which could one day turn him into a evil wizard if he gets sent to Azkaban we know what kind wizards get sent their so he may look towards them one day if he was sent their. Better thing would be have few missions lined up heal him
My personal reason for turning him in was the fact that everytime he teach you a curse he says it will only work if you mean it. Yet when he kill his uncle he says he didn't mean it.
Even someone with a heart of gold can truly want to harm someone. However, the way Sebastian allways seem to defend every unethical or unmoral action was enough reason to stop his path before it would get out of hand
Still not turning him in and his uncle well you can tell was abusive towards him lol I use to lived with an x step dad for almost 17 years who was abusive toward me so I feel and get where Sebastian was coming from Whenever I would do something help my mom or sis or someone in my family sometimes he'd hold me back
@@AlliandoX And immidiately used the opportunity to declare that you are now in his debt... dude was manipulative from beginning to end ("I did not mean it" vs "like with all unforgivable curses you have to mean it"... not regretting the murder but blaming anne after she burned the book... etc) letting him roam free would ensure many more people get hurt. But sending him to askaban will completely break him and he will be very dangerous when he gets out... I'm afraid there is no right answer on what to do with him in the end...
- We've been blasting Dark Wizards, Poachers, & Goblins. So we are not exactly one to judge. - Solomon seems violent, & suspicious. He wont let Sebastian near his sister. Like Solomon wants her to be cursed or something. & He attacks us. - It's a complicated situation, & None of my business. - Azkaban is hypocricy incarnate. They torture ppl there for using torture magic. --- I look at curses the same way Snape did, Know your Dark side of the force so you can come up with counters to the curses. So in sense, I agree with Sebastian's quest to learn a counter to his sisters Curse. To bad Vindictus Viridian has not published his book on counter curses yet.
@@imisioluwalawal2945 - Of the curses the one I refuse to use is Cruciatus, The Sadistic curse that causes pain. - Imperius seems ok under certain circumstance, Empathy conjectures it being inappropriate more often than not. Conjecture however eludes to a potential hypocrisy though. Petrificus Totalus: Why is that not a curse? In a sense you are controlling, or rather taking someone's ability to control them self away - Avada Kedavra is just another lethal weapon. Obviously only useful if you want to kill someone. Like, you would never use it in a friendly duel game. "I keep humming the Steve Miller Band song, 'Abracadabra, I'm gonna reach out and grab yah' when I use it.
Another note on Solomon: He padlocks the house while Anne is still inside it. I opened the lock for some loot since he was outside and I found Anne inside drinking tea. This was after Sebastian asked Anne to stall Solomon.
I love how we are the just the ultimate villain. Manipulating Sebastion who is emotionally vulnerable into teaching us the unforgivable curses and them throwing him to the Death Eaters. Like "ope, I got what I needed from you now bye"
You could also reject those curses. I never learned them first playthrough. Did learn em in the second, but used only Imperio on certain occassions. They seemed too sinister and evil for my MC. Maybe my next playthrough, I'll be darker.
Not everyone goes the evil route, so you can't apply that logic as an absolute. My 1st full playthrough I was a Hufflepuff who was helping everyone without ever asking for more rewards, tried to keep out of troubles at school, refused to learn any of the Unforgivables and tried to dissuade Sebastian from keeping on the Dark arts path every chance I got. Decided to turn him in despite my being his friend cause at some point you have to draw the line between being loyal to a friend and keeping a crime secret and risking your friend staying on a dark path or, even worse, getting on a darker one and causing more death and suffering. Cause yes, he could have learned his lesson, but he might just as well keep on an evil path and then you'd be complicit for anything he does since it's your failing to turn him in that allows him to do anything. My current playthrough though is a bit more moraly grey: my Ravenclaw started as a rule-following student who tries as much as possible to avoid being in trouble with teachers (you can actually turn down Garrett in that 1st potion class to avoid being scolded by Sharpe) but I'm having her learn the Unforgivables for the sake of knowledge, and maybe get a bit influenced by Sebastian's actions. Just a bit. Probably won't use those spells on people, especially not the killing curse, in this playthrough (did use crucio on a couple of trolls though), but I won't turn him in cause I wanna see what happens then and it makes more sense that way, too
For real. He took the fall for us no questions asked. Total bro. Boomer had it coming, he was trying to kill me the whole goddamn time. I purposefully defeated him with nothing but Protego-Stupefy. Didn't hit him with a single offensive spell to prove a point. BOOMER WAS OUT FOR BLOOD HE DESERVED LETHAL FORCE!
@@sithlord7m Glad others saw it this way. I realise taking the fall for a bro being in a library restricted section and being a bro and not telling law enforcement that your bro killed his uncle are two very different things. But I still covered for him. I think azkaban would have made him worse. At least out here I can keep an eye on him.
Turning him In will just make things worse and it won't help him get better having his back and learning his lesson by having to live with his choices is the better choice plus he could have turned me in but he had my back so I have his
@@extinctbaryonyx I have to disagree to an extent. Blood magic is simply a powerful tool. Yes the mages can use it to control others and cause pain, but that's not automatically what happens when they use it. The unforgivable curses though are used specifically for torture and death
Why would I turn in the only real person in HL? I dont need all these wholesome positive other wizards and witches who only want to do good and are happy the whole time. They are so boring, give me a break.
To me, Solomon is only dislikable because he doesn’t understand the first thing about raising children. I firmly believe if Sebastian and Anne could have gone to somebody else, things would have been different. Solomon had no business raising them. I definitely agree, Sebastian did use the Killing Curse in a fit of rage and should have to face something, but Azkaban is too far, what the dementors do to you alone is worse than death. Of course, he did first attack Solomon with a non lethal spell and then Solomon, before attacking us, screams, “What have you two done? I’ll put an end to this.” Clearly saying he means to harm us, and towards our character, that is unjustified, especially as he came from the other side of the room, being able to hear everything we said, we wanted nothing to do with this but to get Sebastian to stop. Not to mention if Solomon had used the brain in his head, the battle wouldn’t have happened, he gave up on Sebastian, then began to run him into the ground just because he wanted to try and help Anne. That right there is the reason why we dislike people like that, they hold us back in advancement, if he had supported Sebastian, Sebastian may not have even turned to the dark arts. Not to mention he endangered all our lives by destroying the relic and making the Inferi go berserk. Solomon was not of sound and stable mind, he was as much a danger and an evil as Sebastian. Sebastian deserves to face punishment, but so does his uncle, I just wish it would have been in a form other than death.
I would expect extention to this story, when you could optionally leave school to get on search for the cure and choose the actual "dark path" to help him. The fact you can cast the unforgivables without any concequences and just being hypocrite about it and turning Sebastian in is making me Smh. Just make me his Azkaban roomate then lol
The only reason why i would bring sebastian's uncle back to life is so i can avada kedavra him myself. That guy was a PLAGUE for sebastian and his sister... worst uncle EVER.
The scene where Sebastian uses imperio on the goblin which literally saves his sister's life and then selecting some high road argument about you did it without his consent is such B.S. So you are saying Sebastian should have let the goblin kill Anne because "reasons". If you select that option the game should have Sebastian tell you to go to hell and then that quest line ends. Imagine the balls of your "friend" telling you that you shouldn't have prevented someone from killing your sister. As for Solomon's death he was trying to kill everyone in the catacomb except Anne, so he got what he deserved. If I had known Avada Kedavra at that point in the game I would have offed the old man myself.
What makes you think Solomon wanted to kill Sebastian and the main character during that duel? Solomon was attempting to stop Sebastian from using the relic, no sign of wanting to kill him.
I didn’t turn in Sebastian. I think he’s a good dude at heart, he was so focused on helping his sister he lost all care for himself. The way I see it, Solomon drove Sebastian down the dark path he took, we literally never see Solomon say anything kind to Sebastian, he constantly berates him even the first time we meet him and from Seb’s pov he really didn’t care enough about Anne to help and I’m not surprised that he ended up killing him for it in the end. That doesn’t make it okay, and he deserves to pay for his Uncle’s murder, but I don’t think he deserves to pay with Azkaban, but like Anne said he has to live with what he’s done for the rest of his life which I think is payment enough. Especially after all he did to help us with our goblin problems
@@EM-bi7en This is incorrect on so many levels, unless you're speaking of your own moral compass and not actual law. One could easily use the same flimsy argument for the Uncle. He's a former Auror who was stopping a future dark wizard. Your argument is essentially the same as someone saying "killing someone in the pursuit of justice isn't murder."
No! Sebastian felt so bad and you’ll have to talk to a sad ominous instead of a thankful Sebastian at the end of the game. I didn’t know what would happen if you betrayed him but trust me keeping his secret is so much more fun.
The damage is still noticable, at the beginning of the game his stance is confident and upright but at the end he still hunches over and gets that crazed look on his face.
I get why crucio is unforgivable but not the other 2. The Imperious curse barely lasts long and could be used for good. In a 1v1 fight you could use imperius and then just leave and avoid violence, Which would be the most peaceful resolution you could get from a fight. And I could argue that using Avada Kedavra is more ethical than freezing someone, lighting them on fire, Hitting them 5 times, Levitating them, Flipping them around, Throwing crates in their face, And then depulsoing them off a cliff to their death. Yet that’s all A Ok in the wizarding world lol
The thing is you have an unblockable instant killing spell and a spell that offers complete control over another being for an unknown amount of time. Do you blanket ban them except in rare circumstances (legalizing the killing curse for Aurors in war) to ensure there's no ambiguity between mind control to avoid a fight and mind control to humilate while avoiding a fight and mind control to avoid a fight by having your opponent kill or cripple themselves. Or do you try to write dozens of laws covering all the possible situations "Its ok to use imperio to make someone walk away but you have to ensure they're walking in a safe and controlled manner where they can respond to sudden threats like an oncoming car and non-sudden threats like freezing temperatures . . ." I'm not saying you can't write those laws but for a government who often takes the path of least resistance its much simpler to just ban the spells entirely so there is no situation where they might be used and the person escape punishment? "Yes you're honor my client did kill 10 wizards including 6 aurors using Avada Kadavra but they were drunk and can't be held responsible for their actions."
The thing is, there are applications for all those other spells within the Harry Potter universe that are non-combat related. There's a lot of reasons why you would want to light a fire, freeze something, levitate or toss an object. It's just that your character uses those spells mostly in combat. You couldn't ban people from lighting fires and freezing ice altogether. Whereas Avada Kadavra has only one application and that's to instantly kill someone, so it has much less grey area and it makes sense that it is banned. Imperius also has no ethical applications because it robs a person of their free will and undermines their fundamental human rights. And crucio is banned for the same reason why torture is banned.
The issue with that is your mixing up game mechanics with "actual" mechanics in the Harry Potter world. Imperious outside RPG mechanics has a much longer duration. Barty Crouch kept his son under it effect for years while out and about living his life well enough no one suspected he'd even been broken out of Azkaban. Same with the death eaters claims of being under Imperious control they couldn't have done that if it didn't last long enough for the claim to be believable to those they don't bribe. Same with the other spells e.g. stupify should knock someone out entirely not just immobilize them for a few seconds and our other spells. Yes you can use Imperious to avoid a fight, you can also use it to make someone you don't like throw themselves to their death, someone you do like have sex/marry/etc, make someone just doing their job give you things for free. Even for the "avoid a fight" option your dealing with the gray area of taking away someone's free will and cnotrolling them to do what you want which raises a lot of ethical issues.
In the books, Harry tried to use the Cruciatus curse on Bellatrix only for it to fail. Bellatrix then says that it failed because you have to mean it, and that righteous anger is not enough. You have to want that person to experience unimaginable pain. With this precident set, i dont buy the "self-defense" stance. In order to kill, you have to want to that person to die, you have desire it in your heart. Also, Sebastian knows other spells, he could have just as easily disarmed or slowed him. He chose to use Avada Kadavra. So, in a way, a successful use of Avada Kadavra is essentially the same as cold-blooded murder.
Something that struck me was when you talk to Sebastian in the undercroft he says he didn’t mean to kill his uncle. But In order for any unforgivable to work you have to actually mean it.
I think it was mainly that he did mean it, but guilt overtook him and he realized how bad of a situation he created, realizing he didn’t want to kill him- but did in the heat of the moment. But that’s always been in my mind since I let him use Crucio on my character.
Well, meaning something in the moment and meaning it after you've calmed down/are more rational are two different things. People say horrible things during arguments. They do act irrationally when they are angry. They may break something, punch a wall, etc...Many people that attempted suicide are glad they didn't succeed. Let's not forget he's what 16? Kids f**k up, a lot. It doesn't always end in horrible tragedy, but sometimes it does.
I wish we had another choice but I believe we should turn Sebastian in. His attitude during the entire game is callous, when we agree to allow him to crucio us he shows no remorse or gratitude, he ignores Annes wishes and spends far more energy tracking down curses than he spends with her. While he constantly says “for Anne” in my opinion it’s really his own desire for power that drives him. He didn’t need to kill his uncle we could have stunned him and escaped. Seb killed him in an adolescent rage, determined to win at any cost. Just because you believe that you are right doesn’t mean you can ignore the possibility that you are wrong. I don’t like Solomon, he too is quick to judge and won’t listen but he didn’t deserve death. Sebastian will only get more arrogant if he is allowed to get away with this, justifying any act that stands in his way. People do what works, ask any toddler, if screaming in a store gets you a sweetie then keep screaming! I wish prison were not the only choice but I can see no alternative.😧
Agreed. The fact that Sebastian tries to wriggle out of responsibility in the Undercroft conversation, talking about how he didn't mean it etc, is what sealed the deal for me. If he'd shown he understood that he'd done wrong and wanted to atone or face up to it, I'd be much more likely to not have turned him in. B/c Azkaban is awful. But he shows instead that he's trying to avoid responsibility, which is a giant red flag. If he doesn't learn from THIS, then he won't learn at all. He'll just justify himself through a hundred more crimes in the future. Except now it'll also be your fault b/c you let him go.
@@AlleluiaElizabeth Yeah I didn't like that part where he's over the emotional shock of it and immediately goes to trying to weasel out of responsibility. It's not like he stole something or broke something, he literally murdered someone, so it's very callous that he shows no remorse. He's definitely a loveable character in many ways, but is very realistically flawed in that he's stubborn and wants his way or the highway, and won't take responsibility or keep promises or even really consider how his actions affect others. I don't think he deserves Azkaban since he's just a kid, but he definitely deserves for his friends to all leave him. When you go too far you can't expect your friends to still have your back.
But Azkaban doesn't really rehabilitate you, and I'm pretty sure the dementors can drive you insane. If he ever broke out of Azkaban, I'm sure he'd just be even worse than before, and besides, he's only 15. I don't think anyone would deserve that. I'm not saying he should have killed his uncle though, that was a bit over the top but he did seem to regret it. If you don't turn him in, he still has to live with the guilt of killing his uncle and losing Anne. Isn't that enough? And I have a feeling that maybe, if Solomon was a bit more supportive, that might not have happened in the first place. When we first visited Anne, remember when Sebastian tried giving her a Shrivelfig? Anne looked so happy, and whether it worked or not, it was still worth a try. I think it was completely unneccesary for Solomon to destroy it, AND get mad at Sebastian for trying to give her a *fruit*. And, right after that scene when Anne started hurting, Solomon yelled at him saying "Now look what you've done!" Sebastian didn't do anything??? Oh, also he tried moving away with Anne from Feldcroft behind Sebastian's back. I don't think he really had the right to seperate Sebastian from his own twin, and that would just make Sebastian even more mad at his Uncle. Part of me does say Solomon had it coming
Sabastian's story is all over the place. It goes from using black magic to using ancient magic back to using the relic. Lets also not forget we were complicit in the murder of his uncle.
The black magic to save his sister and helping you with ancient magic are 2 different story lines. The dark magic story is optional, it's just to learn the curses. It is confusing and all over the place the way they set it up.
Of course, let's not forget that when Solomon arrives to the cave, he tries to save you from the inferni. Oh wait, he joins them and tries to incinerate you alive. Had you learn avada before, you'd use it on him in self defense before Sebastian could even think about it.
That was just gameplay mechanic. The game doesnt have too many spells. The devs confirmed that that Solomom just knocked you out. As for self defense, I highly doubt that would hold up in the Wizengamot. Solomon was an ex-auror and Sebastian was raising a massive army of undead that he couldnt hope to control. Besides, there are other ways of killing. Unforgivables are outlawed. Doesnt matter if its self defense. If someone breaks into your home and attacks you, and you splatter him with Reducto, you may well get off, but if you respond with AK, you are going to prison. Those spells are tabboo. Of course, the wizarding world is a place of magic and wonder. You are many different ways of handling situations. A stunner could also be just as effective, so it is entirely possible, you may still be in trouble for usung a Reductor Curse, but even so, the pinishment would be much lighter than the Unforgivables.
I turned Sebastian in NOT because he killed his uncle - who was a total douchebag - but because he was raising an army of inferi with a smiling and demented look on his face. This guy was moving beyond finding a cure for his sister and going full-on psychopath. He was a potential Voldemort in the making. The problem is that the writers didn't do a good job of calling this out, and made it all about Sebastian using the killing curse on his uncle. If the only thing was Sebastian murdering his uncle, I would have let him slide.
Same! I feel like people forget leading up to that he literally was creating a zombie army and was fascinated by it. Your character and others could have died from them right then and there from his recklessness. He also killed the goblin earlier in a pretty gruesome way by using another unforgivable curse, and used it rather quickly without thinking in the blink of an eye. I mean there are dozens of spells one could have used differently to have prevented that goblin and also in the process not scar your sister for life. I liked Seb, don’t get me wrong. I totally understand. As for Solomon, I know people say he was trying to kill us, but I disagree. I found unfortunately that fighting section a “missed” step by the game. They should if had Solomon fighting along side us against the dead, but wanted a “boss” fight for the sake of it so had it done that way. But regardless, if a previous aura (or whatever it’s called) wanted us dead he could have easily did so by using the curse on us first while battling the dead. Also, we don’t REALLY know Solomon. From what we see sure he’s an Ahole, but whose to say he didn’t try finding a curs for Anne? He could have spent years and eventually knew there would never be one, hence why perhaps he’s cold and an ahole. Dude is in pain seeing his niece in this state. All in all, I’m just finding it hard to forgive Seb. I like him, but my vibe just now after watching it was like “woah…..he just murdered him”. And self defense my ass. If not for this, he def should be helf accountable for using the dark arts and conjuring up the dead (along with other things). People need to be held accountable for their actions, especially when nkt once, twice, but numerous times multiple people around you warned you to stop. Seb only has himself to blame.
@@kellistpierre9706No not years, Solomon had not been suffering for “years”. The fifth year is the first year Anne was missing school, (according to the NPC students telling you this year has been tough for Sebastian and to try to cheer him up, emphasis on THIS instead of like, the last couple years) so you have to assume that the injury was at most by the end of their fourth year. Also, considering the fact that “Anne saw their village under attack and went out to help”, Anne was at Feldcroft when she was cursed(duh), so it was most likely during the summer after their fourth year, since the twins would have no reason to go back home during a school year. Sebastian going back was to visit Anne, and considering his relationship with Solomon, I doubt if they would visit him during times except for the summer. So, as we start the fifth year meeting Sebastian, it couldn’t have been more than 6 months at most since she was injured, and most likely only 2-3 months after the incident happened, and Solomon had already given up. Remember, Anne was cursed by Rookwood, who did it to avoid his collaboration with goblins getting found out. When did that collaboration happen? Recently, because Ranrok was only recently making a name for himself, showing up on the newspaper at the start of the game when we learn of him, with most people not even considering him a proper threat. You can also find Professor Fig’s bedroom quarters in Hogwarts, with his wife Miriam’s letter still lying about on the table and such, which suggests her passing was also fairly recent. According to Lodgok, Miriam getting killed was around the beginning of Ranrok’s scheme, soon after they found Rookwood Castle Repository. All of this I am listing, was to prove that within half a year Solomon had already given up on Anne. It was not years of pain and suffering wearing him down, he genuinely cared more about his “morals” than his own family, and he couldn’t even be bothered to try. Sebastian mentioned Solomon using Unforgivables as an Auror, so he knows Imperio. As they suspected goblins were at fault for Anne’s curse, Sebastian said “the goblins aren’t going to explain themselves anytime soon”, but they WOULD under the Imperius Curse now would they? I admit that would be a bit much to ask of him, but he could just capture one the old fashioned way and get an answer out of them with the old fashioned veritaserum? That’s got nothing to do with Dark Arts now so why not? And they would learn that it wasn’t goblins. It just goes to show that there’s so much that could have been done by Solomon that he JUST DID NOT. Giving up in such a short amount of time as well.
I see people are justifying sebastian action. But tbh from what i see, sebastian attacked his uncle with magic first. I think that's how his uncle decided, Sebastian is too dangerous & can't be helped anymore, because he even goes as far as inflicting an attack to family member for his cause. Sebastian may not even know that the inferis are attacking people at the village. But if u see it from others point of view, they won't even know Sebastian is that clueless. His uncle is just in great distress with the fact that sebastian is causing this, and it is dangering all other people. People are saying Solomon breaking the relic is an 'attack' itself. But i think, Solomon first thought is, to stop the inferis, he had to break the relic first. He didn't even hurt sebastian while doing this. He only started to think sebastian is a threat when sebastian attacked him. And the point where Ominis was scared that Solomon would report Sebastian first more than anything, while in reality he tried to stop Sebastian himself, instead of reporting him, is saying something to me. As hard as he is to Sebastian, He never wants his nephew to go to Azkaban. He knows that when other people is involved in this, sebastian would hardly be able to avoid the heavy punishment. So he took the matter to his own hands, thinking there might still be away, whatever he does would be less cruel than what the authority would do to him. Even tho Solomon ended up attacking us also, I think from his perspective he was simply choosing, /If what i needs to do is stopping 2 kids to keep a whole village (or even more people that might fall victim to sebastian's doing) safe, then it must be done./ Sebastian might be our friend. But i think it's wrong to fully justify that what he did was right. Especially him claiming it is self defense, when at those last moment, his uncle was already weak. He can just expel the wand off the man's hand & run with it, to stop his uncle from attacking. Sebastian just didn't want to admit that he killed out of impulse and frustration. It is truly a mistake on his behalf.
The problem with Sebastian is that he was one-track minded, unable to weigh the consequences of his actions and blinded by his desire to cure Anne. He believed the end justified the means and was willing to do anything, even resorting to the Dark Arts. But when do the ends stop justifying the means? That’s the paradox. The Dark Arts are a slippery slope. Power is like a drink; the more you have, the more you want and there’s few who can handle it. You get a taste of it and soon you grow to like it. Solomon knew that, that’s why he left the Ministry. Ominis knew that, that’s why he left his family. Sebastian didn’t recognize it, despite all the warnings around him. He may have had good intentions, but the way he went about it drove him down a dark path until he reached the point of no return.
Sebastian is driven by a good cause, but his methods are going too far. Multiple times we see him take the worst possible actions in tense situations. When a goblin attacks Anne, he casts Imperio and has the goblin kill himself, while Accio, Arresto Momentum, Depulso and Descendo would have been better. He does the same thing with his uncle. Solomon could have been subdued, but Sebastian CHOSE to use Avada Kadavra. Sebastian is a horrible friend to Ominas, dragging him into the Dark Arts time and time again. Ominas makes it ABUNDANTLY clear he wants nothing to do with it, but Sebastian doesn't care. Anne seems to have resigned to her fate, which is sad, but it's her choice. She says at the tomb entrance that he's gone too far, she rages when she sees what's happened inside the tomb, and she leaves Feldcroft after the events of the game. Despite Sebastian's best intentions, his friend and family are only worse off after his antics. Azkaban is too cruel a fate for Sebastian, but he cannot be allowed to go freely after all he's done. He's willing to use forbidden magic to torture, control and kill others, he's a manipulator who drags his loved ones into lethal situations, and there's no telling what lows he might sink to after the events of the game.
Yeah, turn in the guy that knows all about your ancient magic, plans with Professor Fig, and your usage of unforgiveable curses throughout Hogwarts Valley. It's not like he'd reciprocate you ratting him out by ratting you out. No... honor code and all that, right? Sebastian knows way too much. Keeping your mouth shut is the way to go and, frankly, his uncle was a prick anyway. Guy had a thousand possible ways to reach Sebastian, and settled on insulting his dead father while incessantly snarling at him and telling him to give up all hope. I don't know what other way the uncle thought things were going to go with that kind of grade FFF parenting. My personal stance: "You don't tell the headmaster about my thousand strong bodycount or that I regularly turn people into wooden barrels, which I smash to pieces against stone walls for fun, and I won't mention the ONE DUDE you killed this school year. The ONE." Edit addition: I love this game, haha. Hogwarts Legacy is delightfully insane.
I love how our character is a hypocritical narcissistic psychopath with a teenage level ego of thinking he's a hero. It really is fascinating and hilarious.
I personally turned him in because he wouldn’t stop at anything and if he’d get in touch with dark wizards or the wrong people who could promise him a cure he’d do their bidding so i thought it was the decision that was the best for him. Then again i went down the good path and refused to learn the unforgivable curses
Well one of the unforgivable curses is controlling someone to be Ur ally. I love this power. Just my own controlled dark wizard attacking their own people or a big troll attacking the goblins. And yk azkaban isn't really a nice place to learn from their mistakes, it will drive u crazy
Sebastian clearly regrets everything, especially killing his own uncle. Sending him to Azkaban is overkill in my opinion, because he's clearly suffering enough and it'll hurt Anne too. I obviously didn't turn him in
It's the same with injustice superman. You will always find an excuse to justify atrocities. It always starts with killing 1 guy to save more, then letting a million die so a billion can live, then killing a million to stop one man. Like the vinicators episode in rick and morty, they killed a planet to kill one guy.
Why would you turn in a child who made a mistake?? Solomon was abusive to Sebastian, emotionally neglecting him and constantly screaming at him. Forbidding him from seeing his last remaining immediate family?? He lost his parents, who he clearly adored, and now he’s lost his twin. He’s already being punished enough, he’s alone and has no one. Turning him in is cruel.
Hell yeah! I mean, painless death and your body keeps its appearance for a proper funeral vs turned into a barrel and blasted against a troll. Of course, nobody wants to suddenly dies, but its way better
If Azkaban was at all rehabilitative then *maybe* these arguments could work, though I still think Sebastian was right, but there is no argument that justifies sending a 15 year old boy to be tortured for decades.
The only time i feel its appropriate to turn him in story wise is if you yourself choose not learn the curses. If you do learn them, then obviously dont turn him in. Its all down to how u feel as a player in regards to the curses themselves.
I let him off. If you let him off, he shows genuine remorse and is punished by Anne never wanting to see him again, so he'll never get to say goodbye once she succumbs to her curse. He also changes his racism towards Goblinkind. Solomon was an arse. He gave Sebastian zero chance but to kill him, and throughout the entire game, he's clouded by his own mistakes. If he hadn't threatened Anne, he'd still be alive. Anne says she misses Solomon, but I have a feeling it's more Stockholm syndrome.
Wow I came across this video randomly, and it’s soooo crazy how I’m sitting here screaming:“no!” “no you’re wrong!” How amazing it is how attached to these characters I am even months after playing hogwarts legacy for the first time. It seems silly when you really think about it, but Sebastian and Ominis were my buds! It’s so interesting to see how much our choices in the game mimic our character in real life. For example, I went along with everything Sebastian said with eager enthusiasm, but when Ominis showed up I was often torn. I respected both characters equally, and they reminded me of two of my sides if you will. I am neutral, I suppose, on the subject of right versus wrong, and can equally see both sides. I will say though that it never even crossed my mind to turn Sebastian in, and it would truly feel like betraying myself and my friend! It was interesting to watch how it would play out if I did the opposite, and it just cemented in my mind that I made the right call. After all, I was trying to kill his uncle before Sebastian did lol. He fucking suckeddd. Many others have already gave great arguments for why it wouldn’t help matters to turn Sebastian in, and the hypocrisy of doing so after murdering hundreds the entire game. If it was regular jail I could see more of an argument (still wouldn’t do it), but Azkaban? No way. The crime doesn’t fit the punishment. I believe in rehabilitation, and Azkaban would do the opposite of this for Sebastian. Just send him further into the dark. His consequences are having to live with murder and losing Anne. He needs a strong mentor and his friends by his side. Definitely not Azkaban. I will say that I wish we had more choices and the outcomes could change based on those choices. Like Baulder’s gate does. I wish we could have saved Anne and rubbed that in Solomon’s face. I don’t think he deserved to die, but in that moment I was pissed too and had no regrets seeing him hit the ground. Guess I’m too loyal for my own good, but I’m glad to see so many people agree!
Sebastian never betrayed the player, took the blame for sneaking into the restricted section on himself. Followed us anytime we needed. He was denied any help from anyone but us, so him resorting to dark arts in the persuit of good has nothing to do with him being bad. He's a desperate boy who wants his sister to live, to have the good times back. Turning him in because he killed a would-be killer of his sister and both Sebastian and the player? You're insane.
Reasons I didn't turn Sebastian in: 1. Sebastian is a real G who will go to any lengths to protect and heal his sister Ann 2. Never hesitated to teach his friends shared knowledge, even if they might shun at the idea of learning Dark Arts 3. His uncle stepped out of line and came at us both, avada kedavra was not only needed...but one might say, necessary 4. Sending Sebastian to Azkaban would have been a decision all parties would have regretted over time. 5. Sebastian's redemption tour, right away you see his opinion on Goblins shaping as he learned Rockwood was responsible for the curse on his sister and understanding that his hatred for Goblins was misplaced
Also - we never snitch on homies. He was also a real friend to us as well. Even if he did not know us at all, he helped us to look for what we needed and never was upset if we did bit tell him everything. He also did not snitch on us when he got caught - and he literally did not know us at all then
I've done both, but in reality, if someone talked to me like Sebastián did, he wouldn't be in my life. If he would be able to continue, what would he do to make me use my ancient magic to cure her?
I did not turn in Sebastian because for one I am not a snitch they get stitches don't you know? Also since I actively encouraged him throughout the quest line it would be a bit hypocritical of me. The icing on the cake is that he was cured of his anti-Semitism.
Ya Uncle Soloman kinda had it coming. The way to have Sebastian give up on seeking cures is to let him exhaust all his options. After all, none of the cures like a shrivelfig would have done Anne any harm at all, but he wouldn't even allow Sebastian do that. I never turn Sebastian in. If I did, I wouldn't just be removing her only family member from Anne's life, but also locking up Ominis' boyfriend. If you did turn Sebastian in, it sounds like he would certainly have turned down the dark path even more full of anger and hatred. Don't turn him in, and at least you can rehabilitate him afterwards.
To be fair, in my eyes, Soloman was helping Sebastian. Sometimes it works to tell people nothing will help (even the shrivelfig) so they wouldn't do regretable or dangerous things. He wanted to keep Sebastian safe too, if he didn't care about Sebastian, he wouldn't have been against it so much. But what we saw is the different path.....Sometimes it helps to tell people there is no way and to just move on, but sometimes like Sebastian, they become obsessed with it.
@@laklomp maybe but that dude legit looked like he low key didn't like Sebastian It didn't look like he tried to help him And you can tell they did not get along what's so ever
@@barcabocalda2583 Truth, but it often happens in real life too -> Someone resembles his relative that died, so he kind of 'neglect or ignore' that one bec it pains him to see Sebastian. It might have been resemblance
I like how so many people act as if Sebastian was totally in the right and how he totally didn't kill a defenseless man, nope, clearly at the end of the boss fight Solomon wasn't shown tired and defeated so it wasn't necessary to kill him and was gratuitous and wrong, which EVEN SEBASTIAN HIMSELF ACKNOWLEDGES. Oh, and for the record, can you show me the scene where Solomon tries to kill the two students? Cause I'm pretty sure I saw him getting attacked first.
@@dikastederook6380 Dude, are you blind??? My character didn't do anything to him, he destroys the relic, makes all the inferi attack us, doesn't do shit to help us, and proceeds to fight ME the entire time by casting confringo and Incendio at me. What the hell do you think those spells would do if they landed successfully? Tickle me? Sebastian hit him with like a basic cast out of anger (which the uncle completely deserved) and the Uncle responds by trying to blow us BOTH up. Explain the logic.
@@TheSascatch Oh so Sebastian freely attacking him first even though he didn't try to fight them is justified because...? Ah yes, you decided Sebastian has done nothing wrong even the WHOLE POINT OF HIS STORYLINE was to show how wrong he was in dabbling in Dark Magic, which even he and Anne acknowledge. And really, the uncle makes the Inferies attack us? Who exactly thought it was a good to raise them in the first place?
@@dikastederook6380 Wow you really are kinda dim. And also, you’re acting as if the dark magic is actually something horribly bad and shouldn’t be touched at all. I disagree, I just think the Uncle is an ignorant coward.
@@TheSascatch "you’re acting as if the dark magic is actually something horribly bad and shouldn’t be touched at all" Yeah, why would we think a spell specifically designed to mind rape people, another to torture them to the point of making them losing their sanity (hi Bellatrix), another to cause instant death and solely that, another that causes horrific wounds similar to sword slashes (Sectumsempra), another to kill you in a necrosis-like fashion (the Gaunt ring curse) or another to kill someone and separate your soul into pieces so you can become immortal are bad? Surely, these abilities are the signature spells of heroes.
I've not had the chance to play Hogwarts Legacy but i'm so happy seeing all the positive feedback. I knew Alfie voice acted a character in the game, but wasn't prepared for the impact he made... We recorded an unboxing on the SubAlley Productions page of the fanmail and we were laughing, crying and occasionally a little both. As Alfies collegue and friend, I would like to thank everyone that supported Alfie 🙏
Turn in the guy that was nice enough to teach me the 3 unforgivable curses? No way!!! Plus I used only defensive spells on Solomon hoping he'd get bored and back off...or at least chill out. And that bastard just kept coming and coming. He deserved it......
I remember my 1st playthrough I didn't want to be a part of Sebastien doing that to his uncle, so I just kept attacking the inferi as they spawned and dodging Solomon's attacks when he targeted me. But after a while of doing that and nothing much happening, I didn't really have a choice but to attack Solomon too. I wish the devs had included the option to just be passive in that fight, or even to fight with Solomon to try and stop Sebastien (and failing to successfully do so, most probably, but still). The guy was awful and I didn't like how he kept acting like my character and Sebastien were both in the wrong while I was actually actively trying (as much as the game allows) to dissuade Sebastien from keeping on the path he found himself onto, but Solomon didn't deserve to die like that.
What? He prevented him from ever having a hope of curing his sister, destroyed his hard work and tried to hurt or even kill 2 16 year olds. You are brain dead
1. Thank you for being reasonable. I'm not really sure what's with the fanbase's love for Sebastian. It's likely because the devs decided to tie the Dark Arts to a single character's storyline instead of making it part of the main story. Either way, the way people stan over this emotionally immature and unstable cretin that betrays his friends and family is so weird to me. 2. Both Dumbledore and Percival whathisname neglected to stop both of their students before they became exceptional dark lords. Isidora and Voldemort both showed early on who they'd become. They showed early on what they were, and instead of those training them stopping the whole thing or doing something about it, they turned their heads to the sky until the little kid became a Dark Lord that threatened the entire wizarding World. Sebastian is the same. Sebastian is the exact same. Not turning Sebastian in creates another Dark Lord that could have been stopped in his tracks before he became as such. Not turning him in because you like that, he taught you some spells haphazardly glued onto his storyline, is incredibly selfish, and shows no care for the greater world around you. 3. It doesn't matter if you feel his goal to save his sister was noble. She literally tells him to stop and let it go several times. It's the exact same sister that mourns what he did to their Uncle. To discount the fact that she wanted Sebastian to stop the path he was going down is incredibly selfish. Only what Sebastian wants mattered to Sebastian. It was never about his sister.
Avada kadavra- illegal and wrong Turn a person into an explosive barrel and use his now explosive corpse to kill the guy next to him- legal and encouraged
It's not exactly hypocritical if we turn Sebastian in. There would be a difference: he seems to be using the dark arts recklessly and hopefully we'll be using it more responsibly and not turn to the dark side. We are saving him from joining the dark forces besides I want him to be on our side and not join the evil side. I wanna save him from the dark side (or himself) like he wanted to save his sister from her illness.
Players who don’t choose to use the Unforgivables, players trying to play the good and loyal friend… You should still turn him in. If you don’t turn him in, your final conversation with him proves just how unhinged he’s become. The Sebastian Sallow you befriend and trusted with your secrets in the beginning is gone. This easily provoked, unforgiving, unstable Sebastian saw Isadora’s memories with you. He watched her taking her father’s pain away, he believes you can do the same, and you know he’s willing to use the Cruciatus Curse on you. You’re next. If you refuse to use your ability to help Anne, he’ll torture you or he’ll try to force you with the Imperius Curse. If you give in and turn Anne into the empty shell Isadora’s father became, he’ll kill you for cursing her yourself. He really needs help from St Mungo, not Azkaban, but he’ll become the next Ranrok or Rookwood left unchecked, always justifying everything he does by saying he’s doing it for Anne, because of what happened to Anne.
I want to defend Sebastian by saying that killing his uncle could've been seen as defending us. His uncle was using fiend fire on us which could've killed us and Solomon (the uncle) also used leviosa on us and petrified us which could've let the other enemies rip us to shreds. We at some point even beg Solomon to stop as HE IS KILLING US but he says he won't stop. Sebastian killing Solomon could be counted as protecting us which makes it even worse if we turn him in. Because all he did was try to save his sister and in the end he saved our life from his uncle and his sisters life from that one goblin. And he truly does regret killing his uncle in the end.
"But beware of the Dark Arts. Anger, fear, aggression; the Dark Arts are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice." "What's a bloody 'Obiwanz Apprentice'??"
I turn him in. You find out that the relic requires a dark sacrifice. I'm convinced our character would have been the sacrifice to save his sister if Sabastian had ever gotten the opportunity
@Moonitot I'm kind of mean. There's an opportunity to learn the Avada Kadavra curse from him. Just after he unalives his uncle. You tell him he did the right thing. That leads him to teaching you the curse. And then you can still decide to turn him in later in the undercroft.
When you point a gun, you have to mean it. Sebastian didn't defend himself with the curse, he murdered his uncle. There's NOTHING wrong with the "unforgivible curses". A pencil is just a pencil until it's exhibit "A" I mean look at all the other spells that are "OK" to use. Lets just blow everyone up with fire. At least the killing curse is quick. Imagine burning to death. Look at how the spider run around after setting them on fire.
Kid is 15 lol. Why would I send him to wizard jail when I totally enabled him. He seemed genuinely guilty afterwards and his character flipped 180 after not turning him in. He is no longer angry and resentful towards goblins, and he vows to spend the rest of his life making up his mistakes to the three people who refused to give up on him, even in his darkest moment.
Too many people wrong about HP universe and Solomon trying to kill 2 kids. First of all we don't know what did Sebastian do to save his sister before we met him, second Solomon was working for Ministry of magic and he KNOWS what dark magic is. He was caring to Anne and keeping her as safe as he could while knowing it is impossible to save her( parallel story is the main plot about ancient magic, same ending). Lastly if he wanted he could easily kill both of us. So sebastian was already fallen to the dark side before he met us ( knowing all 3 curses) so killing his uncle only confirmed he was no better than Solomon. Ominis was right all the time and Sebastian should have listened to the folks with experience in the dark arts.
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But he was based.
Please stop putting spoilers in your thumbnails and titles, especially for new games less than a month old.
@@MinecraftMartin The game has been out for more than 2 weeks. Cry harder.
@@MinecraftMartin By now. People that bought it even a week before actual release should have finished it by now
@@Yayofangamer16 That's ridiculous lol
I love learning the killing curse right after Sebastián mercs his uncle and you're just like "no time like the present."lmao
Yea that part was pretty cringy lol... they could have worked that better.
you could say no and then learn the move later from Sebastian
@@robertszabo3577 it’s my killing curse and i need it now
@@striker045 just get 450 offence and any damaging spell is basically a killing curse
“You had no choice Sebastian! I would have done the same… IF I KNEW HOWWW 🤷♂️” I was cracking up 😂
Yes, let's turn Sebastian in for using a curse once that we'll be using a hundred times. That's not hypocritical at all.
Or the fact that you were also trying to kill him the entire battle.
😂
He killed his uncle, we kill bad people and creature
@@vergil_9492 We kill bad people? So that justifies using the Unforgivable Curses? Nah, you're just being lazy.
@@drdreddmanofmystery9482 why is it unforgiveable exactly? Why is killing someone with one spell so much worse than repeatedly slamming them against the ground, lighting them on fire, and throwing stones or explosive barrels at them like we are usually doing?
People say Sebastian is the bro of this game but damn, think of Ominis. He was pretty much dragged along kicking and screaming the whole and having his concerns totally ignored but still he sticks around and helps the whole time. And in the end he still doesn't want to turn Sebastian in even after he fucks up his life doing exactly what Ominis warned him not to do the whole time. Dude is a bro till the end.
Nah he rubbed me the wrong way when you first meet him I wanna Avada his ass
TBF he was kind of annoying and whiny
@@Popilo-dr5ef not only that, Ominis most definitely was willing to snitch on Sebastian . Yes he seemed "torn" about doing it, but com'on, he was leaning on the side of turning in Sebastian. NOT BFF ride or Die energy 😂
He was most times following them and eavesdropping. He whined a lot too, although he is trying to be a friend.
Yeah, he’s a babe
If you choose hufflepuff, you’ll get to see what Azkaban does to a person. It will be very clear why you shouldn’t turn him in.
Only Hufflepuff gets to see Azkaban????
@@davidshall72 yes
I dont remember this
@@Flybird504 it's during the Jackdaw story line. If you choose Hufflepuff, you get to visit Azkaban and see what it does to a person who gets sent there at Hogwarts age.
I Didn't Turn Him In... I Played Hufflepuff..
I don't get how the unforgivable curses are worse than my favourite combo freezing and shattering people or transforming them into explosives to throw at their friends. At least the killing curse leaves a body to bury.
Freezing and then shattering, eh? I like the way you think! 😂
I think its about the Intent.
There are other uses for most Spells, but Avada Kedavra is exclusively for murking.
And depending on the murk, it can split and/or deeply taint your soul because you *need* to want death upon someone or the spell simply won't work.
Crucio is just a warcrime, a weapon that uses unneccessary
Imperio tho... Yeah, I get your point exactly here. You can use it peacefully, by ordering something like "begone and never come back" instead of straight up "kys".
@@yamato9753 Well I do agree with you on Crucio as it's an unnecessary spell (although I would use it rarely on someone like Bellatrix to give them what they deserved for torturing Hermione and the longbottoms). It is an unnecessary spell (I will explain later why).
But, I disagree on Aveda Kedevra. Why having murking intent for someone who is trying to murk me or my friends or innocent people around for some puny gain, pleasure or convince, considered bad?? Imo I wouldn't mind blasting away a death eater with AK.
Imperio is an extremely good spell. It basically makes Crucio useless. You usually use Crucio for taking out info from the one on which the spell is casted (unless you're a sadistic maniac like Bellatrix who casts it to derive pleasure from pain). You can simply imperio anyone and order them to give the required info and be on your merry way. It can be used in many creative ways that can avoid unnecessary violence.
@@FIRE-yy1zt Tbf, my reasoning above is just me trying to make sense of things.
I agree with everything. Especially Magizoologists should know avada kedavra when investigating or documenting dangerous beasts. I would not hesitate to insta-murk an Acromantula myself, those things are vicious by choice.
And Imperio too.
Like we agreed on, only crucio is always a dick-move.
I actually really like Ominus. I didn’t at first, but my heart really goes out to him.
He's nice but whines sooooooooooo much.
I connected more with Ominus, he should have had his own quest.
He was hard to like at first and was jealous Sebastian made a new friend but he's cool just for being Voldemorts grandpa.
I kind of love Ominis. Poor boy.
Yeah, he grew on me.
The “Evil” choices are so damn funny in this game. Hilarious like when you’re just a dick for basically no reason. 😂 “No I’m not going to return your gobstones.”
"Maybe you should pay me to keep what I read in your diary secret..." 😏
Remember Conrad from Mass Effect?
You're playing as him in whole game.
When in fact he was just clouded with Shepard's fanboyism and in the end got what he always wanted.
To be a hero of sacrificing himself for protecting Shepard just to get impressed by one woman and be with her to the end.
Especially when I burned that painting/portrait of that guy 😂🤸♂️💃🏻
To me there is no “evil” choices in this game. There are a few dickish choices but no true evil ones even harnessing the ancient magic at the end isn’t evil to me because just possessing that ancient magic is neither good or bad. It is what you do with it that will make it evil or not
Basically, your character is this generations Malfoy 😂
I like that throughout this game, you encounter NPCs (mostly wizards and witches) who need you to help save their mooncalf or clear out a castle full of ashwinders and poachers and get pissed when you demand extra compensation for your efforts. One woman in the Poidsear Coast told me I was worse than the ashwinders who murdered her fellow villagers because I expected another 200 galleons for my efforts. I'm like "bitch, I'm a fifth year student at Hogwarts. You're a Hogwarts graduate and a fully trained witch. You clear out the castle of ashwinders next time, you thankless dick".
I was sure surprised to hear what she had to say after asking for the extra 200. You bet your bippy I spammed every spell in my arsenal at that bitch🤣
Actually most characters don’t really get mad but ya I remember that lady I said I wish I was able to use the Killing Curse on random npcs rn
Oh my God, yeeees. Was flying around looking for world quests and found her, accepted her quest then immediately realized the person she wanted dead already had got murked when I was testing out Avada Kadavra an hour earlier. I like to imagine she got so pissed cause I accepted, took a few steps away realized he was already dead and just came back like "Done." Then immediately demanded more pay.
Still an insufferable bish tho.
Oh that NPC gets angry at you if you demand more money? I've demanded extra compensation from other NPCs and they didn't get angry, like the astrolabe girl. She only gives you clothes if you don't demand galleons, but if you do, she says it's reasonable. The only NPC from side quests I made angry was the witch who asks you to save a diricawl from poachers. The witch kept saying how she was gonna pluck the diricawls feathers and make a ton of money off of it. I decided not to hand over the diricawl. She immediately started hurling insults at me and said she hoped the diricawl pecked my eyes out. Hilarious tbh
@@JadeCaro yeah this witch was the worst. I was so happy I did not give her the diricawl when she reacted that way
I legitimately loved Ominis as a character. He was definitely my favorite. I thought the choice to make him blind was fascinating and unique, (and more certainly because of inbreeding) but ultimately it was the fact that he was just a sweet kid trying to distance himself from a horrible legacy that really sealed it for me. Especially knowing he is Voldemort's great-uncle which in perspective is so cool.
As for Sebastian, I didn't turn him in. I had deeper story reasons for not doing so, but I can look back and say that since I was viciously slamming people into the ground like ragdolls, I didn't have a lot of room to talk about morality, haha.
And if you are in Hufflepuff...you see Azkaban firsthand........it's a fate worse than death. Sebastian was more misguided on his actions. Just to save someone he loves...and it wasn't completely his fault he ended up killing his uncle. It was out of self-defense as far as I see it. Living what he did for the rest of life.....that's the best of punishments.
I refused to turn him in because of two things
1) his uncle may have been traumatising him the whole time and the moment he destroyed the artifact, Sebastian snapped and killed him in a fit of rage. There are potential cases of abuse that could be levelled against Solomon for how he treated his nephew. Also if the ministry learnt of this artifact that could remove and control dark curses, they would want to study it intently just to develop better ways of protecting people from the dark arts.
2) Anne would be left without any family and be put in a state of depression before taking despawning herself, that would affect Ominous as well leaving him with no one in his life.
Yes Sebastian messed, but so did Solomon and he set the wizarding word back by destroying the artifact. All Sebastian wanted was to remove the curse Rookwood put on her so she could come back to Hogwarts and be happy.
This is one of the most morally difficult choices in the whole game, on one hand if you turn Sebastian in then that leaves an ailing Anne with nobody, no family at all to care for her. On the other hand, if you choose not to turn him in and he later chooses to continue on a path of evil then you would bear some responsibility for him not facing consequences for his actions. In the end, you can only make the decision you feel is the right one, because either could be potentially right or wrong depending on a future that you have no way of foreseeing. This is the one thing that I never really understood about the Harry Potter universe. Why is the killing curse any worse than any other spell that has the potential to kill? I mean dead is dead, why is Incineration by fire or dropping someone off a cliff an acceptable form of ending a life but that spell isn't? I mean, I can see Crucio and Imperius because torture is pretty vile and so is taking away someone's control of their own mind in most cases.
Well I can see reasons for them . . .
Avada Kadavra
1) You have to mean it. No ifs, no ands, no buts you have to mean it which in turn means intent inluding the intent to use it from learning it in the first place.
2) Its generally unblockable meaning no defence against it so someone acting in "heat of the moment" intent can't be stopped.
That to me gives a pretty good reason to ban it and ban it thoroughly since every wizard is essentially a loaded gun walking around the world. Get mad fireball your ex, get drunk turn the tavern into an eldritch puzzle of mispronounced spells. Teaching people the killing curse turns them from a loaded gun that other witches and wizards can potentially keep from doing something they'd regret when drunk or in the heat of the moment to someone who if they slip up can't be stopped. Drunk wizard, big fight, incendio shield spells and the like can stop it or possibly heal the victims. Same situation and they cast Avada Kadavra there's no stopping that and no bringing the one hit by it back which may not even be the target of their intent as we don't know whether the spell can miss.
Imperio
This is an easy one you're a government official and know of a mind controlling spell that can't be detected or countered are you going to want anyone including political rivals, disgruntled public or for the greater good types running around knowing and potentially using this spell? How big a step is it from humiliate a bully by making them dance naked in the town square to controlling key government officials to pass laws you want.
Crucio
Honestly I can't see a reason for this one to be allowed (Slytherin's door notwithstanding) as it exists solely to make another person suffer horrific pain that can potentially drive them mad. Really while a case could be made where the first two are allowable in certain situations (force a mentally or emotionally unstable person to step away from a ledge so they can be helped or taking down a lethal threat quickly and painlessly like an Acromantula) why would you ever need to torture someone? Especially as its been shown those tortured will often say anything to make it stop true or not meaning you can't rely on the information it gains anyway.
The way I see it, spells like confringo or glacius or depulso are not designed to kill or maim people. There's many uses for starting a fire, freezing something or throwing an object. These spells are not necessarily combat-related. There would be no case for banning them. But Avada Kadavra has only one function, that's murder. So it makes sense that it's banned. Your character is just wayyyy too creative with using normal spells to send people to their maker. Lol.
@@liamwarner5749
You made pretty good points about each curse, but I think there is a common misconception about Avada Kedavra (AK) that it's painless. It's not. I mean, it is physically painless because your body doesn't suffer from any trauma (for example when you get hit with confringo or incendio) but what AK does, is ripping your soul out of your body, still causing terrible pain.
In the Harry Potter series, Voldemort told Harry about him experiencing the AK when it backfires after the unsuccessful attack against baby Harry.
@@arvixella3042 Harry didn't seem to experience any pain when killed by it. I feel he's a better guide than someone who had already ripped his soul to pieces and for all we know the pain of the rebounding curse was actually the pain of his Horcrux's keeping him from passing on as he was meant too.
@@liamwarner5749 While you may be right about Harry being a more reliable narrator, he was a baby, not being able to remember much from the incident but a green flash and a cold callous laugh. It is stated in the first book that whenever he remembers the incident he does feel a flash of pain too.
The nature of pain Harry experiences whenever he is close to Voldemort or when he tries to recall the attack is arguable, since we do not know whether his pain is caused by AK, or it originates from the fact that he himself is a horclux.
And while I think we agree that Voldy is not a reliable source of information (as the first book states when he tried to lie about Harry's parents not being brave when they faced him) in the context of him telling Harry that he dealt with great pain when his curse backfired, there is nothing to gain for him by lying about it.
In the seventh book, when Voldemort does cast the AK on him again, he is not really killing Harry, but killing his horclux which isn't a part of Harry's, but more like an addition to it. The horclux is the extension of Voldy's soul (or in better words, what's left of it) so his own curse rips the horclux, but manages to leave Harry's soul intact.
Although on a second thought, you may be right. Sorry for dragging the topic a bit longer than it was necessary.
Turning Sebastian in would seal his fate in the Dark arts. Azkaban is not rehab.
In the other path, there is hope for him. The ending confirms it.
"Turning Sebastian in would seal his fate in the Dark arts"
No it wouldn't. Because at best he would be barely alive by the time he gets freed (IF he gets freed, though it's acknowledge he might get a lighter sentence on account of his age) and at worst would be left to rot and suffer at the hands of the Dementors. In any case, not enough would be left of him to enable him to dwell in the Dark arts. And aside from absolute shit like Voldemort, Bellatrix, Umbridge, Barty Crouch Jr, the Gaunts (save for Merope) and Rookwood, no one deserve to be handed to these abominations.
I really wish there was a 3rd option where you could talk to someone like Professors Hecat, Weasley or Sharp and they're able to find him help without turning him in.
@@stevenceja4706 not me, I wanted to help him kill his uncle and push him further into the dark arts.
@@REDANDSILVER741 Either way I'm not letting my BFF in this game rot in Azkaban
Lmao, no. In the other path you justify his murdering of his own uncle, forcing another living thing to slit it's own throat open, and to cast Crucio with the idea that the 'Ends justify the Means'.
You seal his fate into the Dark Arts because in the HP lore, it's confirmed that the Dark Arts are a corrupting practice on the user's soul.
He has already proven he is unmitigable in stubborness, and will not listen to any one. Not even his best friend - Ominis Gaunt - who is staunchly against the Dark Arts having experienced them first hand.
If anything, you've enabled him keep going down the slippery slope.
Both endings 100% are leading up to him coming back in the Sequel as quite likely a Dark Wizard, and not your friend. I promise you tehre will be a story arc involving you having to fight him.
They've already hinted that a sequel is in development.
I chose not to turn in Sebastian.
#1 We are told over and over in the books that Azkaban prison is worse than death. It doesn’t rehabilitate people or make them see the error of their ways. It drives them insane and typically makes them worse than before.
#2 His uncle attacked us first, he attacked an Inferi standing in front of Sebastian and then used Accio to steal the relic which I consider an attack. He then accidentally caused the Inferi to go berserk. In all honesty it was self-defense and throughout the battle our character was even yelling at the uncle to stop.
#3 We know that based on Isadora’s memories, the magic can work in removing pain, so Sebastian wasn’t wrong. I personally don’t think Sebastian could have resisted the temptation since by the end of the story he wasn’t attempting to just remove the curse but control the curse as well. At which point I think our character could have returned him to his senses
Exactly. Also to note that during the fight, the uncle uses Bombarda on you. The field guide page on the small stairs to the right in the Belltower entrance will give people an idea about what that leads to. It might not be an "unforgivable" but it certainly isn't pleasant.
His uncle was not trying to kill us he was just trying to stop what was going on by weakening us he knew Sabastien was going to go out of control and he was right sabastien trying to save his sister made him take a life not only that teach u dark curses which is super bad already and knew the outcome so he was already breaking rule after rule for his own gain
@@ej13012010 That still doesn't justify Solomon trying to blow us up with Bombarda!
Chose to turn him in to free Ominis. He needs to move on and that was the best way.
I know, like the uncle is an Auror, and he attacks kids that still go to school? Ok. I actually spent long long minutes only fighting the Inferi and not the uncle to see if something, anything would happen to make him stop. But nope, the dude kept coming at me, no matter what you do, he's set up on literally killing you. I didn't like how Sebastian used Avada Kedavra at the end, but since I was a Hufflepuff, I saw Azkaban and uuuugh, nei I'm not sending a kid in there (especially since I was playing my first gameplay as the goodie two shoes who is a 100% pure Hufflepuff- also I knew from other playthroughs that Sebastian "was missing" at the end of the game, seeing him getting worse and worse I felt that he either died or got sent to Azkaban (at 15?? like what the hell is wrong with the wizarding world?!), so I wanted to see if I could "save" him. Sad we can't reason with him beforehand, tho). I don't think morally he was right to do what he did, but I also think sending him to Azkaban isn't the right answer as well- at least, from where I was standing when I was playing my "good guy" game. When I play a dark wizard I'll 100% betray him tho lol
Sebastion's uncle attacks you for being with Sebastion. He does not have any way to stop him from attacking you. He doesn't have any other resolution and he is trying to kill you. Killing the uncle is self defence.
I hated the uncle to be honest.
@@canadianbeef1958 I was happy the uncle died tbh he deserved it he’s a horrible person
My only real problem is that I couldn’t be the one one to kill his uncle 😢
The uncle is already defeated when Sebastian kills him. If he had used AK in the heat of battle, there would be no case for turning him in. However, he used AK on a defenceless man (his abusive uncle but still a person) in a fit of rage.
All that being said, Azkaban will not make Sebastian better (if he ever got out, he'd be even worse probably), so if you see reformation as the primary goal of punishment (and that's how you're playing your character) that's a point against turning him in
Yeah won't lie, I went around the battle, avoiding attacking him, trying to kill the Zombies and blow down the door to run away but the guy was dead set on trying to kill us. Like Insta killing is bad but setting a pair of 16 year old kids on fire and trying to burn them to death is A-OK
actually i believe sebastian says ominis was born blind due to his family line ( that being the bloodline of salazar slytherin ) being pure blooded. for those who dont know what that means, it means people in omnis's family married each other, sisters married brothers and cousins married cousins. this was meant to keep the bloodline pure but it also led to health issues which leads to poor ominis being blind from birth.
thats super messed up
Thats why Tommy boys mama was so messed up looking too. Maybe if they married outside the family, she wouldnt have needed to drug a man into sleeping with her.
@@vianjelos lmfao facts
thats how egyptians did it. this is not how they do it in the magical world. they just have to be born from a family of magic.
@@GXG420 that's how old english royalty and basically all older royalty used to do it. Ideally you would marry a third cousin or a second cousin but they literally kept it in the family. Siblings was last recourse.
Sebastian when he kills his uncle and might get sent to Azkaban: “I didn’t mean to kill my uncle!”
Sebastian 10 seconds later while learning us the killing curse: “And remember, like with all the unforgivable curses, you have to mean it.”
Honestly I blame Sebastian’s downfall on his uncle and his uncle solely. And I DO think the uncle deserved to die. He was unrelenting in his pursuit to seriously injure if not murder 2 minors. At the beginning any attempt Sebastian made to investigate Ann’s situation was met with degrading comments and verbal abuse to Sebastian as well as completely out of pocket insults about Sebastian’s late family. When someone is trying their damndest to help someone with good intentions and is constantly met with ridicule and criticism those intentions will inevitably become perverted because it’s isolating. So ultimately I think the uncle reaped what he was sowing the whole time.
same, i believe his uncle was truly a BITCH.
Sebastian's was the twin brother... and he was only trying to cure his sister.
What the fuck does this uncle gets in the middle for?
And has a opinion about everything when he is just CLUELESS.
In the end, sebastian was right...there was a way to remove the pain.
They forced him into the dark side.
His goal was noble from the start...all he wanted is to save his sister.
And he did that while his uncle, his best friend and even his own sister didn't believe in him and had already given up.
@@akhsdenlew1861 EXACTLY! And I don’t know the full context of the relic but I really don’t understand what the problem with utilizing it to remove Ann’s curse. Ann was an innocent bystander who was cursed with dark magic. Even if the relic utilizes some form of dark magic you kind of have to fight fire with fire. I know there was maybe some mention that the relic required a sacrifice, but they didn’t go into detail as to what that entailed. And I can’t imagine whatever it was was worth Ann dying over. But in any case maybe if one person gave Sebastian some grace and support he would be able to think more clearly and possible find an even better solution.
@@beva901 That uncle was a plague.. a brother trying to save his sister from pain and eventually death deserves at least some form of decent support.
I agree completely. Not to mention he didn't care that you were there to stop Sebastian and attacks you anyway while you scream at him the entire battle to stop. He's a monster.
While I do agree that the uncle was to blame. Sebastian was really starting to get out of control. Raising and controlling the dead? Charging into combat without considering the safety of his party? Learning and using adavra kadavra on a family member?? Regardless of whose fault it was sebastian made some pretty shitty decisions and needs to get locked up
I decided not to turn in Sebastian, after finishing the main quest you get to talk to him in the main hall.
When i told him it wasn't the goblins who cursed Anne, his anger towards goblins disappeared.
we both know you only did it for avada kedavra
@@imvlix I had already learned Avada Kedavra at that point.
@@Raffalius women lol
@@robsentadesse4644 what?
When I told him his anger for goblins and wizardkind 10 fold
I didn’t turn him in, but I wish they would’ve given me the option to call him out on his lie. He says I didn’t mean it goes against everything he himself has taught you about the dark arts. You have to mean it to even cast it.
Yes, and you can mean it in the heat of the moment, yet not truly mean the outcome and regret it afterwards.
Look at even Harry in the books, he used Cruccio. And Aurors are allowed to use the unforgivables. Doesn’t make them evil.
He was also 100% under the influence and temptation of the relic. His goal was to cure Anne, not control Inferi.
Solomon attacked first and was using the exploding curse on both characters. That curse should also be unforgivable if you ask me, with what it can do to people, as evidenced but the burn mark in Hogwarts.
And Azkaban is not something even most dark wizards deserve tbh.
Exactly
He meant it, but it’s the fundamental difference between first degree murder and second degree.
First degree is “I’ve made a plot to intentionally take this person’s life, and attempted to carry it through.” Second degree is “I walked in on my spouse having an affair and in a moment of blind rage, assaulted and took the life of the affair partner.”
He “meant it,” but as a boy consumed by emotion in a highly intense moment-who didn’t really stop to consider the impact of his actions until it was too late. That he justified after was his attempt to silence his own conscience.
It’s after when he’s shown unmerited mercy by his friends and disowned by Anne does he truly come to understand what he’s become and regrets it.
@@IAteYourSandwich Aurors are not ordinarily permitted to use the Unforgivable Curses. Crouch lifted the ban to allow aurors only to use it during the First Wizarding War against Tom and the Death Eaters, and the ban was reinstated after Riddle's setback at Godric's Hollow. The ban was first implemented in 1717, ten years after the Wizards' Council was reorganized into the British Ministry of Magic.
why ?he did nothing wrong
I love how the written dialogue options are so straight to the point but when is time to speak it out everything is sprinkled with articulate words!
Which can lead to hilarious results cause I remember sometimes choosing a dialogue that seemed normal and harmless and suddenly my character is being all sarcastic or snobby and I'm sitting there like "wtf?" 😂
@@evelyne1307your hell damn real for this one 😂😂😂
I think a blind date would be a wonderful idea for Ominis. It would be nice for him to see other people.
I didnt see that coming
@@pedrom8 Neither did Ominus
Turning Sebastian and obtaining ancient power for yourself is the key to playing the dark wizard in this game. You not only master the Dark Arts by manipulating and gaslighting your friends, but you also become a hero to the world because every witness is either dead, rotting in Azkaban, or your accomplice (read: Ominous) and inclined to keep silent. I mean, Voldy could learn a trick or two from our polite and soft-spoken protagonist😈
Except the powers came from Salazar Slytherin.
He locked the book it in deep Hogwarts to be found by true wizards who are willing to go deeper for it.
Which you and Sebastian find it.
@@thebufoon I'm not talking about the book, it's fairly useles to our protagonist. Spoilers ahead!!!!
Sebastian is the one to teach you every single Unforgivable curse, and you can encourage him to go on this path, justifying every questionable decision right untill you stab him in the back and turn him in. Power is left by the keepers to whomever poses a talent of seeing and weilding ancient magic (read: mc). But they wanted for you to guard and protect it from coming out to the world, and you can choose to take it for yourself, effectively killing professor Fig in the process. But it looks like accident and you save Hogwarts from that goblin, so everyone think you are a hero. Pretty dark stuff if you ask me 😈
@@tj3603 The choices in game don't really matter and you cannot change the path you go with in the game.
You can be just a d to every side quest character and that's about it.
And in the end doesn't have any effect for having the piece of power to yourself.
@@thebufoon yeah, this is true, sadly. Sebastian's quest is the only one with any meaningful consequences. But you know, it's all in our head canons and perseption of context anyway 🤷 Sebastian going to learn Unforgivables anyway, but you can be consistent and try talk him out of it, as goody two shoes, or you can manipulate him to sharing the knowledge, and than send him to Azkaban, lying to Ominis that you tried to change his mind, but now he had to face the consequences. From roleplaying perspective, there's the difference.
I like the cut of your jib. I did the exact same thing with the exact same reasoning. I purposely turned him over to the dark side.
I have no pity for Solomon. It seems like he's basically trying to murder Anne by sabotaging any attempt at a cure. He deserved what he got.
Thank you!!
Plus he was a coward didn’t even seek justice in anyway. Also the fact he said he would turn both us in if he caught us, now no need to worry.
Anne’s life insurance policy must be in the millions 😂
Solomon was afraid of the cost of a possible cure. He was also afraid of false hope. Sebastian went to far. Solomon became the way he is after using a unforgivable curse on a dark wizard. That messed him up. He was afraid of how far Sebastian would go. If the cure would cost the life of another, Sebastian likely wouldn't hesitate.
@@crazyanimegamer5667 unforgivable curses ain’t evil tho. It’s just a spell and they are magic only ones who turn into evil n use such magic are evil. think of u faced against a enemy that’s mostly resistance to magic and a curse type can help kill it would u truly use it. Solomon felt wait of a live after using a curse spell against a person (basically he sees a evil wizard as a person which is nice but… he shouldn’t of) because he could saved who knows who if he didn’t kill that evil wizard. He was afraid of methods but he also gave up on Anne he shouldn’t force others like the brother give up. All he wanted was save his sister. If u watch the Harry Potter movies u know Harry’s uncle was sent to Azkaban and he suffered and broke think what would Azkaban do to a kid like the brother just on one one mistake which could one day turn him into a evil wizard if he gets sent to Azkaban we know what kind wizards get sent their so he may look towards them one day if he was sent their. Better thing would be have few missions lined up heal him
My personal reason for turning him in was the fact that everytime he teach you a curse he says it will only work if you mean it. Yet when he kill his uncle he says he didn't mean it.
Guilt hurts.
he meant it in that moment he was prob so angry that he destroyed the relic
@@Wampit lol. But still he did mean to kill him, thou afterwards he says he didn't.
Even someone with a heart of gold can truly want to harm someone. However, the way Sebastian allways seem to defend every unethical or unmoral action was enough reason to stop his path before it would get out of hand
Still not turning him in and his uncle well you can tell was abusive towards him lol
I use to lived with an x step dad for almost 17 years who was abusive toward me so I feel and get where Sebastian was coming from
Whenever I would do something help my mom or sis or someone in my family sometimes he'd hold me back
Never betray Seb, he was our best friend so even in his dark times and desperate reactions I stood there in his aid.
@@JRGProjects Haha yes i'm a Gryffindor as main but Hufflepuff is my second house so always protecting the homie
He took the blame in the restricted section
@@AlliandoX And immidiately used the opportunity to declare that you are now in his debt... dude was manipulative from beginning to end ("I did not mean it" vs "like with all unforgivable curses you have to mean it"... not regretting the murder but blaming anne after she burned the book... etc) letting him roam free would ensure many more people get hurt. But sending him to askaban will completely break him and he will be very dangerous when he gets out... I'm afraid there is no right answer on what to do with him in the end...
- We've been blasting Dark Wizards, Poachers, & Goblins. So we are not exactly one to judge.
- Solomon seems violent, & suspicious. He wont let Sebastian near his sister. Like Solomon wants her to be cursed or something. & He attacks us.
- It's a complicated situation, & None of my business.
- Azkaban is hypocricy incarnate. They torture ppl there for using torture magic.
--- I look at curses the same way Snape did, Know your Dark side of the force so you can come up with counters to the curses. So in sense, I agree with Sebastian's quest to learn a counter to his sisters Curse. To bad Vindictus Viridian has not published his book on counter curses yet.
I agree with your last point. I head-canon my character as trying to create counter-curses for the unforgivables
@@imisioluwalawal2945 - Of the curses the one I refuse to use is Cruciatus, The Sadistic curse that causes pain.
- Imperius seems ok under certain circumstance, Empathy conjectures it being inappropriate more often than not. Conjecture however eludes to a potential hypocrisy though. Petrificus Totalus: Why is that not a curse? In a sense you are controlling, or rather taking someone's ability to control them self away
- Avada Kedavra is just another lethal weapon. Obviously only useful if you want to kill someone. Like, you would never use it in a friendly duel game. "I keep humming the Steve Miller Band song, 'Abracadabra, I'm gonna reach out and grab yah' when I use it.
Another note on Solomon: He padlocks the house while Anne is still inside it. I opened the lock for some loot since he was outside and I found Anne inside drinking tea. This was after Sebastian asked Anne to stall Solomon.
I love how we are the just the ultimate villain. Manipulating Sebastion who is emotionally vulnerable into teaching us the unforgivable curses and them throwing him to the Death Eaters. Like "ope, I got what I needed from you now bye"
dementors not death eaters
Hey I don't need anyone else knowing that I know the unforgivables or about the ancient magic
@@internetjerk2839that's a good point, Sebastian knows all your ancient magic secrets and saw one of the memories.
You could also reject those curses. I never learned them first playthrough. Did learn em in the second, but used only Imperio on certain occassions. They seemed too sinister and evil for my MC. Maybe my next playthrough, I'll be darker.
Not everyone goes the evil route, so you can't apply that logic as an absolute. My 1st full playthrough I was a Hufflepuff who was helping everyone without ever asking for more rewards, tried to keep out of troubles at school, refused to learn any of the Unforgivables and tried to dissuade Sebastian from keeping on the Dark arts path every chance I got. Decided to turn him in despite my being his friend cause at some point you have to draw the line between being loyal to a friend and keeping a crime secret and risking your friend staying on a dark path or, even worse, getting on a darker one and causing more death and suffering. Cause yes, he could have learned his lesson, but he might just as well keep on an evil path and then you'd be complicit for anything he does since it's your failing to turn him in that allows him to do anything.
My current playthrough though is a bit more moraly grey: my Ravenclaw started as a rule-following student who tries as much as possible to avoid being in trouble with teachers (you can actually turn down Garrett in that 1st potion class to avoid being scolded by Sharpe) but I'm having her learn the Unforgivables for the sake of knowledge, and maybe get a bit influenced by Sebastian's actions. Just a bit. Probably won't use those spells on people, especially not the killing curse, in this playthrough (did use crucio on a couple of trolls though), but I won't turn him in cause I wanna see what happens then and it makes more sense that way, too
No... Sebastian is the homie. We take care of our own
For real. He took the fall for us no questions asked. Total bro. Boomer had it coming, he was trying to kill me the whole goddamn time. I purposefully defeated him with nothing but Protego-Stupefy. Didn't hit him with a single offensive spell to prove a point. BOOMER WAS OUT FOR BLOOD HE DESERVED LETHAL FORCE!
@@sithlord7m Glad others saw it this way. I realise taking the fall for a bro being in a library restricted section and being a bro and not telling law enforcement that your bro killed his uncle are two very different things. But I still covered for him.
I think azkaban would have made him worse. At least out here I can keep an eye on him.
I am a die hard Hufflepuff. You already know my answer. We protect our friends.
@@JRGProjects Yay. Another Hufflepuff 😁
I don't think it's a good idea to betray my friends. This isn't Game of Thrones after all.
I ain’t no snitch
Sebastián is on some Anakin Skywalker shit
Solomon being a dick literally slowed Anne's recovery to a near halt. Yeah I'd end him too
Turning him In will just make things worse and it won't help him get better having his back and learning his lesson by having to live with his choices is the better choice plus he could have turned me in but he had my back so I have his
facts
Look all Sabastian need is Blood Magic from Dragon Age, and everything will be fixed. Nothing wrong here moving on.
I love Dragon Age!
@@shortylove876 Same.
Well blood magic is basically the 2 of the 3 unforgivable curses XD
Controlling enemies (Imperio), Manipulating blood causing immense pain (Crucio)
@@extinctbaryonyx True.
@@extinctbaryonyx I have to disagree to an extent. Blood magic is simply a powerful tool. Yes the mages can use it to control others and cause pain, but that's not automatically what happens when they use it. The unforgivable curses though are used specifically for torture and death
Why would I turn in the only real person in HL?
I dont need all these wholesome positive other wizards and witches who only want to do good and are happy the whole time.
They are so boring, give me a break.
To me, Solomon is only dislikable because he doesn’t understand the first thing about raising children. I firmly believe if Sebastian and Anne could have gone to somebody else, things would have been different. Solomon had no business raising them. I definitely agree, Sebastian did use the Killing Curse in a fit of rage and should have to face something, but Azkaban is too far, what the dementors do to you alone is worse than death. Of course, he did first attack Solomon with a non lethal spell and then Solomon, before attacking us, screams, “What have you two done? I’ll put an end to this.” Clearly saying he means to harm us, and towards our character, that is unjustified, especially as he came from the other side of the room, being able to hear everything we said, we wanted nothing to do with this but to get Sebastian to stop. Not to mention if Solomon had used the brain in his head, the battle wouldn’t have happened, he gave up on Sebastian, then began to run him into the ground just because he wanted to try and help Anne. That right there is the reason why we dislike people like that, they hold us back in advancement, if he had supported Sebastian, Sebastian may not have even turned to the dark arts. Not to mention he endangered all our lives by destroying the relic and making the Inferi go berserk. Solomon was not of sound and stable mind, he was as much a danger and an evil as Sebastian. Sebastian deserves to face punishment, but so does his uncle, I just wish it would have been in a form other than death.
I would expect extention to this story, when you could optionally leave school to get on search for the cure and choose the actual "dark path" to help him. The fact you can cast the unforgivables without any concequences and just being hypocrite about it and turning Sebastian in is making me Smh. Just make me his Azkaban roomate then lol
The only reason why i would bring sebastian's uncle back to life is so i can avada kedavra him myself.
That guy was a PLAGUE for sebastian and his sister... worst uncle EVER.
The scene where Sebastian uses imperio on the goblin which literally saves his sister's life and then selecting some high road argument about you did it without his consent is such B.S. So you are saying Sebastian should have let the goblin kill Anne because "reasons". If you select that option the game should have Sebastian tell you to go to hell and then that quest line ends. Imagine the balls of your "friend" telling you that you shouldn't have prevented someone from killing your sister. As for Solomon's death he was trying to kill everyone in the catacomb except Anne, so he got what he deserved. If I had known Avada Kedavra at that point in the game I would have offed the old man myself.
I screamed that at him when i was playing it if that counts
@@curtis2962I cruciod the sht out of him the entire battle.
Sebastian could have used so many other spells to safe Anne: Stupefy, Expelliarmus, Levioso, Accio, Depulso, etc. But he choose to use Imperio...
@@July-nj5sn he could've also used aveda kadavra but he didn't
What makes you think Solomon wanted to kill Sebastian and the main character during that duel? Solomon was attempting to stop Sebastian from using the relic, no sign of wanting to kill him.
I didn’t turn in Sebastian. I think he’s a good dude at heart, he was so focused on helping his sister he lost all care for himself. The way I see it, Solomon drove Sebastian down the dark path he took, we literally never see Solomon say anything kind to Sebastian, he constantly berates him even the first time we meet him and from Seb’s pov he really didn’t care enough about Anne to help and I’m not surprised that he ended up killing him for it in the end. That doesn’t make it okay, and he deserves to pay for his Uncle’s murder, but I don’t think he deserves to pay with Azkaban, but like Anne said he has to live with what he’s done for the rest of his life which I think is payment enough. Especially after all he did to help us with our goblin problems
Not a murder if it's in self defense
@@EM-bi7en This is incorrect on so many levels, unless you're speaking of your own moral compass and not actual law.
One could easily use the same flimsy argument for the Uncle.
He's a former Auror who was stopping a future dark wizard.
Your argument is essentially the same as someone saying "killing someone in the pursuit of justice isn't murder."
@@leonfrancis3418 pretty much the argument of US law enforcement, so yeah, it kind of depends on where you are.
You can't imagine how inconvenient travel used to be before I invented floo powder!
No! Sebastian felt so bad and you’ll have to talk to a sad ominous instead of a thankful Sebastian at the end of the game. I didn’t know what would happen if you betrayed him but trust me keeping his secret is so much more fun.
I hate that ending I did not turn him in and if you don’t he truly regrets what he did and ends up being the way he was at the beginning of the game
The damage is still noticable, at the beginning of the game his stance is confident and upright but at the end he still hunches over and gets that crazed look on his face.
I get why crucio is unforgivable but not the other 2. The Imperious curse barely lasts long and could be used for good. In a 1v1 fight you could use imperius and then just leave and avoid violence, Which would be the most peaceful resolution you could get from a fight.
And I could argue that using Avada Kedavra is more ethical than freezing someone, lighting them on fire, Hitting them 5 times, Levitating them, Flipping them around, Throwing crates in their face, And then depulsoing them off a cliff to their death. Yet that’s all A Ok in the wizarding world lol
The thing is you have an unblockable instant killing spell and a spell that offers complete control over another being for an unknown amount of time. Do you blanket ban them except in rare circumstances (legalizing the killing curse for Aurors in war) to ensure there's no ambiguity between mind control to avoid a fight and mind control to humilate while avoiding a fight and mind control to avoid a fight by having your opponent kill or cripple themselves. Or do you try to write dozens of laws covering all the possible situations "Its ok to use imperio to make someone walk away but you have to ensure they're walking in a safe and controlled manner where they can respond to sudden threats like an oncoming car and non-sudden threats like freezing temperatures . . ." I'm not saying you can't write those laws but for a government who often takes the path of least resistance its much simpler to just ban the spells entirely so there is no situation where they might be used and the person escape punishment? "Yes you're honor my client did kill 10 wizards including 6 aurors using Avada Kadavra but they were drunk and can't be held responsible for their actions."
The thing is, there are applications for all those other spells within the Harry Potter universe that are non-combat related. There's a lot of reasons why you would want to light a fire, freeze something, levitate or toss an object. It's just that your character uses those spells mostly in combat. You couldn't ban people from lighting fires and freezing ice altogether. Whereas Avada Kadavra has only one application and that's to instantly kill someone, so it has much less grey area and it makes sense that it is banned. Imperius also has no ethical applications because it robs a person of their free will and undermines their fundamental human rights. And crucio is banned for the same reason why torture is banned.
The issue with that is your mixing up game mechanics with "actual" mechanics in the Harry Potter world.
Imperious outside RPG mechanics has a much longer duration. Barty Crouch kept his son under it effect for years while out and about living his life well enough no one suspected he'd even been broken out of Azkaban. Same with the death eaters claims of being under Imperious control they couldn't have done that if it didn't last long enough for the claim to be believable to those they don't bribe. Same with the other spells e.g. stupify should knock someone out entirely not just immobilize them for a few seconds and our other spells.
Yes you can use Imperious to avoid a fight, you can also use it to make someone you don't like throw themselves to their death, someone you do like have sex/marry/etc, make someone just doing their job give you things for free. Even for the "avoid a fight" option your dealing with the gray area of taking away someone's free will and cnotrolling them to do what you want which raises a lot of ethical issues.
Idk in Fantastic Beast we quite clearly saw the imperious curse was used for kidnapping rape and baby making it definitely should be illegal
I imagine blasting Rookwood with imperio to make him tell how to cure Anne or at least what curse it is.
In the books, Harry tried to use the Cruciatus curse on Bellatrix only for it to fail. Bellatrix then says that it failed because you have to mean it, and that righteous anger is not enough. You have to want that person to experience unimaginable pain.
With this precident set, i dont buy the "self-defense" stance. In order to kill, you have to want to that person to die, you have desire it in your heart. Also, Sebastian knows other spells, he could have just as easily disarmed or slowed him. He chose to use Avada Kadavra. So, in a way, a successful use of Avada Kadavra is essentially the same as cold-blooded murder.
Something that struck me was when you talk to Sebastian in the undercroft he says he didn’t mean to kill his uncle. But In order for any unforgivable to work you have to actually mean it.
I think it was mainly that he did mean it, but guilt overtook him and he realized how bad of a situation he created, realizing he didn’t want to kill him- but did in the heat of the moment.
But that’s always been in my mind since I let him use Crucio on my character.
Well, meaning something in the moment and meaning it after you've calmed down/are more rational are two different things. People say horrible things during arguments. They do act irrationally when they are angry. They may break something, punch a wall, etc...Many people that attempted suicide are glad they didn't succeed. Let's not forget he's what 16? Kids f**k up, a lot. It doesn't always end in horrible tragedy, but sometimes it does.
I wish we had another choice but I believe we should turn Sebastian in. His attitude during the entire game is callous, when we agree to allow him to crucio us he shows no remorse or gratitude, he ignores Annes wishes and spends far more energy tracking down curses than he spends with her. While he constantly says “for Anne” in my opinion it’s really his own desire for power that drives him. He didn’t need to kill his uncle we could have stunned him and escaped. Seb killed him in an adolescent rage, determined to win at any cost. Just because you believe that you are right doesn’t mean you can ignore the possibility that you are wrong. I don’t like Solomon, he too is quick to judge and won’t listen but he didn’t deserve death. Sebastian will only get more arrogant if he is allowed to get away with this, justifying any act that stands in his way. People do what works, ask any toddler, if screaming in a store gets you a sweetie then keep screaming! I wish prison were not the only choice but I can see no alternative.😧
Agreed. The fact that Sebastian tries to wriggle out of responsibility in the Undercroft conversation, talking about how he didn't mean it etc, is what sealed the deal for me. If he'd shown he understood that he'd done wrong and wanted to atone or face up to it, I'd be much more likely to not have turned him in. B/c Azkaban is awful. But he shows instead that he's trying to avoid responsibility, which is a giant red flag. If he doesn't learn from THIS, then he won't learn at all. He'll just justify himself through a hundred more crimes in the future. Except now it'll also be your fault b/c you let him go.
@@AlleluiaElizabeth Yeah I didn't like that part where he's over the emotional shock of it and immediately goes to trying to weasel out of responsibility. It's not like he stole something or broke something, he literally murdered someone, so it's very callous that he shows no remorse. He's definitely a loveable character in many ways, but is very realistically flawed in that he's stubborn and wants his way or the highway, and won't take responsibility or keep promises or even really consider how his actions affect others. I don't think he deserves Azkaban since he's just a kid, but he definitely deserves for his friends to all leave him. When you go too far you can't expect your friends to still have your back.
But Azkaban doesn't really rehabilitate you, and I'm pretty sure the dementors can drive you insane. If he ever broke out of Azkaban, I'm sure he'd just be even worse than before, and besides, he's only 15. I don't think anyone would deserve that. I'm not saying he should have killed his uncle though, that was a bit over the top but he did seem to regret it. If you don't turn him in, he still has to live with the guilt of killing his uncle and losing Anne. Isn't that enough? And I have a feeling that maybe, if Solomon was a bit more supportive, that might not have happened in the first place. When we first visited Anne, remember when Sebastian tried giving her a Shrivelfig? Anne looked so happy, and whether it worked or not, it was still worth a try. I think it was completely unneccesary for Solomon to destroy it, AND get mad at Sebastian for trying to give her a *fruit*. And, right after that scene when Anne started hurting, Solomon yelled at him saying "Now look what you've done!" Sebastian didn't do anything??? Oh, also he tried moving away with Anne from Feldcroft behind Sebastian's back. I don't think he really had the right to seperate Sebastian from his own twin, and that would just make Sebastian even more mad at his Uncle. Part of me does say Solomon had it coming
I cant believe anyone would think that Azkaban is the right option. He's 15! Like y'all are the villains
Sabastian's story is all over the place. It goes from using black magic to using ancient magic back to using the relic. Lets also not forget we were complicit in the murder of his uncle.
The black magic to save his sister and helping you with ancient magic are 2 different story lines. The dark magic story is optional, it's just to learn the curses. It is confusing and all over the place the way they set it up.
Of course, let's not forget that when Solomon arrives to the cave, he tries to save you from the inferni. Oh wait, he joins them and tries to incinerate you alive. Had you learn avada before, you'd use it on him in self defense before Sebastian could even think about it.
That was just gameplay mechanic. The game doesnt have too many spells. The devs confirmed that that Solomom just knocked you out.
As for self defense, I highly doubt that would hold up in the Wizengamot. Solomon was an ex-auror and Sebastian was raising a massive army of undead that he couldnt hope to control.
Besides, there are other ways of killing. Unforgivables are outlawed. Doesnt matter if its self defense. If someone breaks into your home and attacks you, and you splatter him with Reducto, you may well get off, but if you respond with AK, you are going to prison. Those spells are tabboo. Of course, the wizarding world is a place of magic and wonder. You are many different ways of handling situations. A stunner could also be just as effective, so it is entirely possible, you may still be in trouble for usung a Reductor Curse, but even so, the pinishment would be much lighter than the Unforgivables.
@@kevinthunder3375well I actually wonder those inferni, they are attacking us but not Solomon. So I wonder if in this moment Solomon controlled them
i read "why you should betr-" and immediately went "no. nope. no way in hell im betraying my boy" xD
I turned Sebastian in NOT because he killed his uncle - who was a total douchebag - but because he was raising an army of inferi with a smiling and demented look on his face. This guy was moving beyond finding a cure for his sister and going full-on psychopath. He was a potential Voldemort in the making. The problem is that the writers didn't do a good job of calling this out, and made it all about Sebastian using the killing curse on his uncle. If the only thing was Sebastian murdering his uncle, I would have let him slide.
He got lost with the relic but found the right path when he killed his uncle
Same! I feel like people forget leading up to that he literally was creating a zombie army and was fascinated by it. Your character and others could have died from them right then and there from his recklessness.
He also killed the goblin earlier in a pretty gruesome way by using another unforgivable curse, and used it rather quickly without thinking in the blink of an eye. I mean there are dozens of spells one could have used differently to have prevented that goblin and also in the process not scar your sister for life.
I liked Seb, don’t get me wrong. I totally understand. As for Solomon, I know people say he was trying to kill us, but I disagree. I found unfortunately that fighting section a “missed” step by the game. They should if had Solomon fighting along side us against the dead, but wanted a “boss” fight for the sake of it so had it done that way. But regardless, if a previous aura (or whatever it’s called) wanted us dead he could have easily did so by using the curse on us first while battling the dead. Also, we don’t REALLY know Solomon. From what we see sure he’s an Ahole, but whose to say he didn’t try finding a curs for Anne? He could have spent years and eventually knew there would never be one, hence why perhaps he’s cold and an ahole. Dude is in pain seeing his niece in this state.
All in all, I’m just finding it hard to forgive Seb. I like him, but my vibe just now after watching it was like “woah…..he just murdered him”. And self defense my ass. If not for this, he def should be helf accountable for using the dark arts and conjuring up the dead (along with other things). People need to be held accountable for their actions, especially when nkt once, twice, but numerous times multiple people around you warned you to stop. Seb only has himself to blame.
@@kellistpierre9706No not years, Solomon had not been suffering for “years”. The fifth year is the first year Anne was missing school, (according to the NPC students telling you this year has been tough for Sebastian and to try to cheer him up, emphasis on THIS instead of like, the last couple years) so you have to assume that the injury was at most by the end of their fourth year. Also, considering the fact that “Anne saw their village under attack and went out to help”, Anne was at Feldcroft when she was cursed(duh), so it was most likely during the summer after their fourth year, since the twins would have no reason to go back home during a school year. Sebastian going back was to visit Anne, and considering his relationship with Solomon, I doubt if they would visit him during times except for the summer. So, as we start the fifth year meeting Sebastian, it couldn’t have been more than 6 months at most since she was injured, and most likely only 2-3 months after the incident happened, and Solomon had already given up. Remember, Anne was cursed by Rookwood, who did it to avoid his collaboration with goblins getting found out. When did that collaboration happen? Recently, because Ranrok was only recently making a name for himself, showing up on the newspaper at the start of the game when we learn of him, with most people not even considering him a proper threat. You can also find Professor Fig’s bedroom quarters in Hogwarts, with his wife Miriam’s letter still lying about on the table and such, which suggests her passing was also fairly recent. According to Lodgok, Miriam getting killed was around the beginning of Ranrok’s scheme, soon after they found Rookwood Castle Repository. All of this I am listing, was to prove that within half a year Solomon had already given up on Anne. It was not years of pain and suffering wearing him down, he genuinely cared more about his “morals” than his own family, and he couldn’t even be bothered to try. Sebastian mentioned Solomon using Unforgivables as an Auror, so he knows Imperio. As they suspected goblins were at fault for Anne’s curse, Sebastian said “the goblins aren’t going to explain themselves anytime soon”, but they WOULD under the Imperius Curse now would they? I admit that would be a bit much to ask of him, but he could just capture one the old fashioned way and get an answer out of them with the old fashioned veritaserum? That’s got nothing to do with Dark Arts now so why not? And they would learn that it wasn’t goblins. It just goes to show that there’s so much that could have been done by Solomon that he JUST DID NOT. Giving up in such a short amount of time as well.
Sebastian trying to justify his actions was the tipping point for me. He would have gotten even worse.
I see people are justifying sebastian action.
But tbh from what i see, sebastian attacked his uncle with magic first.
I think that's how his uncle decided, Sebastian is too dangerous & can't be helped anymore,
because he even goes as far as inflicting an attack to family member for his cause.
Sebastian may not even know that the inferis are attacking people at the village.
But if u see it from others point of view, they won't even know Sebastian is that clueless.
His uncle is just in great distress with the fact that sebastian is causing this, and it is dangering all other people.
People are saying Solomon breaking the relic is an 'attack' itself.
But i think,
Solomon first thought is, to stop the inferis, he had to break the relic first.
He didn't even hurt sebastian while doing this.
He only started to think sebastian is a threat when sebastian attacked him.
And the point where Ominis was scared that Solomon would report Sebastian first more than anything,
while in reality he tried to stop Sebastian himself, instead of reporting him,
is saying something to me.
As hard as he is to Sebastian,
He never wants his nephew to go to Azkaban.
He knows that when other people is involved in this, sebastian would hardly be able to avoid the heavy punishment.
So he took the matter to his own hands, thinking there might still be away,
whatever he does would be less cruel than what the authority would do to him.
Even tho Solomon ended up attacking us also,
I think from his perspective he was simply choosing,
/If what i needs to do is stopping 2 kids to keep a whole village (or even more people that might fall victim to sebastian's doing) safe, then it must be done./
Sebastian might be our friend. But i think it's wrong to fully justify that what he did was right.
Especially him claiming it is self defense, when at those last moment, his uncle was already weak.
He can just expel the wand off the man's hand & run with it, to stop his uncle from attacking.
Sebastian just didn't want to admit that he killed out of impulse and frustration.
It is truly a mistake on his behalf.
Sabastion reminds me of Anakin Skywalker in many ways. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our arch nemesis later on tbh.
0:18 you can’t see tho
The problem with Sebastian is that he was one-track minded, unable to weigh the consequences of his actions and blinded by his desire to cure Anne. He believed the end justified the means and was willing to do anything, even resorting to the Dark Arts. But when do the ends stop justifying the means? That’s the paradox.
The Dark Arts are a slippery slope. Power is like a drink; the more you have, the more you want and there’s few who can handle it. You get a taste of it and soon you grow to like it. Solomon knew that, that’s why he left the Ministry. Ominis knew that, that’s why he left his family.
Sebastian didn’t recognize it, despite all the warnings around him. He may have had good intentions, but the way he went about it drove him down a dark path until he reached the point of no return.
Sebastian is driven by a good cause, but his methods are going too far.
Multiple times we see him take the worst possible actions in tense situations. When a goblin attacks Anne, he casts Imperio and has the goblin kill himself, while Accio, Arresto Momentum, Depulso and Descendo would have been better. He does the same thing with his uncle. Solomon could have been subdued, but Sebastian CHOSE to use Avada Kadavra.
Sebastian is a horrible friend to Ominas, dragging him into the Dark Arts time and time again. Ominas makes it ABUNDANTLY clear he wants nothing to do with it, but Sebastian doesn't care.
Anne seems to have resigned to her fate, which is sad, but it's her choice. She says at the tomb entrance that he's gone too far, she rages when she sees what's happened inside the tomb, and she leaves Feldcroft after the events of the game. Despite Sebastian's best intentions, his friend and family are only worse off after his antics.
Azkaban is too cruel a fate for Sebastian, but he cannot be allowed to go freely after all he's done. He's willing to use forbidden magic to torture, control and kill others, he's a manipulator who drags his loved ones into lethal situations, and there's no telling what lows he might sink to after the events of the game.
Yeah, turn in the guy that knows all about your ancient magic, plans with Professor Fig, and your usage of unforgiveable curses throughout Hogwarts Valley. It's not like he'd reciprocate you ratting him out by ratting you out. No... honor code and all that, right?
Sebastian knows way too much. Keeping your mouth shut is the way to go and, frankly, his uncle was a prick anyway. Guy had a thousand possible ways to reach Sebastian, and settled on insulting his dead father while incessantly snarling at him and telling him to give up all hope. I don't know what other way the uncle thought things were going to go with that kind of grade FFF parenting. My personal stance: "You don't tell the headmaster about my thousand strong bodycount or that I regularly turn people into wooden barrels, which I smash to pieces against stone walls for fun, and I won't mention the ONE DUDE you killed this school year. The ONE."
Edit addition: I love this game, haha. Hogwarts Legacy is delightfully insane.
but but he really meant it when he killed his uncle. I kid great post
I love how our character is a hypocritical narcissistic psychopath with a teenage level ego of thinking he's a hero. It really is fascinating and hilarious.
@@josephkasmarcik2895he really meant it when he almost crusiod you to death too, if you let him.
I personally turned him in because he wouldn’t stop at anything and if he’d get in touch with dark wizards or the wrong people who could promise him a cure he’d do their bidding so i thought it was the decision that was the best for him. Then again i went down the good path and refused to learn the unforgivable curses
A good friend will follow you, but a real friend would try to stop you from making bad decisions.
Well one of the unforgivable curses is controlling someone to be Ur ally. I love this power. Just my own controlled dark wizard attacking their own people or a big troll attacking the goblins. And yk azkaban isn't really a nice place to learn from their mistakes, it will drive u crazy
Sebastian clearly regrets everything, especially killing his own uncle. Sending him to Azkaban is overkill in my opinion, because he's clearly suffering enough and it'll hurt Anne too. I obviously didn't turn him in
It's the same with injustice superman. You will always find an excuse to justify atrocities. It always starts with killing 1 guy to save more, then letting a million die so a billion can live, then killing a million to stop one man.
Like the vinicators episode in rick and morty, they killed a planet to kill one guy.
Why would you turn in a child who made a mistake?? Solomon was abusive to Sebastian, emotionally neglecting him and constantly screaming at him.
Forbidding him from seeing his last remaining immediate family?? He lost his parents, who he clearly adored, and now he’s lost his twin.
He’s already being punished enough, he’s alone and has no one. Turning him in is cruel.
After all the other "benign" spells, Avada kedabra is like a mercy kill
Hell yeah!
I mean, painless death and your body keeps its appearance for a proper funeral vs turned into a barrel and blasted against a troll.
Of course, nobody wants to suddenly dies, but its way better
@@deyvidribeiro4221but also worse
His uncle didn’t turn him into the headmaster when he had the chance and look what happened to that guy 😂
lol Valid point. XD
I didn't turn him in. I filled up the entire perk tree of the Dark Arts talent and that would've betrayed my Dark Arts character.
I'm not turning him in. He's too useful
If Azkaban was at all rehabilitative then *maybe* these arguments could work, though I still think Sebastian was right, but there is no argument that justifies sending a 15 year old boy to be tortured for decades.
The only time i feel its appropriate to turn him in story wise is if you yourself choose not learn the curses. If you do learn them, then obviously dont turn him in. Its all down to how u feel as a player in regards to the curses themselves.
I let him off. If you let him off, he shows genuine remorse and is punished by Anne never wanting to see him again, so he'll never get to say goodbye once she succumbs to her curse.
He also changes his racism towards Goblinkind.
Solomon was an arse. He gave Sebastian zero chance but to kill him, and throughout the entire game, he's clouded by his own mistakes. If he hadn't threatened Anne, he'd still be alive.
Anne says she misses Solomon, but I have a feeling it's more Stockholm syndrome.
I wonder where Anne actually went, she is alone probably has no family and she is cursed I don't think she will survive for a long time
fuck that, that’s my bestfriend, i’d never turn him in and i didn’t
Wow I came across this video randomly, and it’s soooo crazy how I’m sitting here screaming:“no!”
“no you’re wrong!”
How amazing it is how attached to these characters I am even months after playing hogwarts legacy for the first time. It seems silly when you really think about it, but Sebastian and Ominis were my buds!
It’s so interesting to see how much our choices in the game mimic our character in real life. For example, I went along with everything Sebastian said with eager enthusiasm, but when Ominis showed up I was often torn. I respected both characters equally, and they reminded me of two of my sides if you will. I am neutral, I suppose, on the subject of right versus wrong, and can equally see both sides.
I will say though that it never even crossed my mind to turn Sebastian in, and it would truly feel like betraying myself and my friend! It was interesting to watch how it would play out if I did the opposite, and it just cemented in my mind that I made the right call. After all, I was trying to kill his uncle before Sebastian did lol. He fucking suckeddd.
Many others have already gave great arguments for why it wouldn’t help matters to turn Sebastian in, and the hypocrisy of doing so after murdering hundreds the entire game. If it was regular jail I could see more of an argument (still wouldn’t do it), but Azkaban? No way. The crime doesn’t fit the punishment. I believe in rehabilitation, and Azkaban would do the opposite of this for Sebastian. Just send him further into the dark.
His consequences are having to live with murder and losing Anne. He needs a strong mentor and his friends by his side. Definitely not Azkaban.
I will say that I wish we had more choices and the outcomes could change based on those choices. Like Baulder’s gate does. I wish we could have saved Anne and rubbed that in Solomon’s face. I don’t think he deserved to die, but in that moment I was pissed too and had no regrets seeing him hit the ground. Guess I’m too loyal for my own good, but I’m glad to see so many people agree!
Sebastian never betrayed the player, took the blame for sneaking into the restricted section on himself. Followed us anytime we needed. He was denied any help from anyone but us, so him resorting to dark arts in the persuit of good has nothing to do with him being bad. He's a desperate boy who wants his sister to live, to have the good times back.
Turning him in because he killed a would-be killer of his sister and both Sebastian and the player? You're insane.
I 100% supported Sebastian and his bad habits, learned all the dark spells, then turned him in for shits and giggles, Great fun
Reasons I didn't turn Sebastian in:
1. Sebastian is a real G who will go to any lengths to protect and heal his sister Ann
2. Never hesitated to teach his friends shared knowledge, even if they might shun at the idea of learning Dark Arts
3. His uncle stepped out of line and came at us both, avada kedavra was not only needed...but one might say, necessary
4. Sending Sebastian to Azkaban would have been a decision all parties would have regretted over time.
5. Sebastian's redemption tour, right away you see his opinion on Goblins shaping as he learned Rockwood was responsible for the curse on his sister and understanding that his hatred for Goblins was misplaced
Also - we never snitch on homies. He was also a real friend to us as well. Even if he did not know us at all, he helped us to look for what we needed and never was upset if we did bit tell him everything. He also did not snitch on us when he got caught - and he literally did not know us at all then
its rookwood not rockwood
I've done both, but in reality, if someone talked to me like Sebastián did, he wouldn't be in my life. If he would be able to continue, what would he do to make me use my ancient magic to cure her?
For anyone not looking to waste 9 minutes, he nevers mentions any real reason why it's just a breakdown of the consecuences of each choice
I did not turn in Sebastian because for one I am not a snitch they get stitches don't you know? Also since I actively encouraged him throughout the quest line it would be a bit hypocritical of me. The icing on the cake is that he was cured of his anti-Semitism.
Ima be honest i actually disagree with avada kadavra being a forbidden spell. Its not innately evil. Its essentially equivalent to a gun
Ya Uncle Soloman kinda had it coming. The way to have Sebastian give up on seeking cures is to let him exhaust all his options. After all, none of the cures like a shrivelfig would have done Anne any harm at all, but he wouldn't even allow Sebastian do that.
I never turn Sebastian in. If I did, I wouldn't just be removing her only family member from Anne's life, but also locking up Ominis' boyfriend.
If you did turn Sebastian in, it sounds like he would certainly have turned down the dark path even more full of anger and hatred. Don't turn him in, and at least you can rehabilitate him afterwards.
Agree 110% if anything he did it for love and his sister
To be fair, in my eyes, Soloman was helping Sebastian. Sometimes it works to tell people nothing will help (even the shrivelfig) so they wouldn't do regretable or dangerous things. He wanted to keep Sebastian safe too, if he didn't care about Sebastian, he wouldn't have been against it so much.
But what we saw is the different path.....Sometimes it helps to tell people there is no way and to just move on, but sometimes like Sebastian, they become obsessed with it.
@@laklomp maybe but that dude legit looked like he low key didn't like Sebastian
It didn't look like he tried to help him
And you can tell they did not get along what's so ever
@@barcabocalda2583 Truth, but it often happens in real life too -> Someone resembles his relative that died, so he kind of 'neglect or ignore' that one bec it pains him to see Sebastian. It might have been resemblance
I turned the bum in. Never even learned that killing curse. Didn't need it, the other spells were strong enough.
I like how everyone forgets that the uncle basically tried to kill two students and then gets mad that Sebastian used the killing curse on him.
I like how so many people act as if Sebastian was totally in the right and how he totally didn't kill a defenseless man, nope, clearly at the end of the boss fight Solomon wasn't shown tired and defeated so it wasn't necessary to kill him and was gratuitous and wrong, which EVEN SEBASTIAN HIMSELF ACKNOWLEDGES. Oh, and for the record, can you show me the scene where Solomon tries to kill the two students? Cause I'm pretty sure I saw him getting attacked first.
@@dikastederook6380 Dude, are you blind??? My character didn't do anything to him, he destroys the relic, makes all the inferi attack us, doesn't do shit to help us, and proceeds to fight ME the entire time by casting confringo and Incendio at me. What the hell do you think those spells would do if they landed successfully? Tickle me? Sebastian hit him with like a basic cast out of anger (which the uncle completely deserved) and the Uncle responds by trying to blow us BOTH up. Explain the logic.
@@TheSascatch Oh so Sebastian freely attacking him first even though he didn't try to fight them is justified because...? Ah yes, you decided Sebastian has done nothing wrong even the WHOLE POINT OF HIS STORYLINE was to show how wrong he was in dabbling in Dark Magic, which even he and Anne acknowledge. And really, the uncle makes the Inferies attack us? Who exactly thought it was a good to raise them in the first place?
@@dikastederook6380 Wow you really are kinda dim. And also, you’re acting as if the dark magic is actually something horribly bad and shouldn’t be touched at all. I disagree, I just think the Uncle is an ignorant coward.
@@TheSascatch "you’re acting as if the dark magic is actually something horribly bad and shouldn’t be touched at all"
Yeah, why would we think a spell specifically designed to mind rape people, another to torture them to the point of making them losing their sanity (hi Bellatrix), another to cause instant death and solely that, another that causes horrific wounds similar to sword slashes (Sectumsempra), another to kill you in a necrosis-like fashion (the Gaunt ring curse) or another to kill someone and separate your soul into pieces so you can become immortal are bad? Surely, these abilities are the signature spells of heroes.
I've not had the chance to play Hogwarts Legacy but i'm so happy seeing all the positive feedback. I knew Alfie voice acted a character in the game, but wasn't prepared for the impact he made...
We recorded an unboxing on the SubAlley Productions page of the fanmail and we were laughing, crying and occasionally a little both. As Alfies collegue and friend, I would like to thank everyone that supported Alfie 🙏
"If we do this, we might never see Sebastian again." No Ominis, you will never see him anyway
Turn in the guy that was nice enough to teach me the 3 unforgivable curses? No way!!! Plus I used only defensive spells on Solomon hoping he'd get bored and back off...or at least chill out. And that bastard just kept coming and coming. He deserved it......
Ominis is such a soft boi :( by far my favorite character
I remember my 1st playthrough I didn't want to be a part of Sebastien doing that to his uncle, so I just kept attacking the inferi as they spawned and dodging Solomon's attacks when he targeted me. But after a while of doing that and nothing much happening, I didn't really have a choice but to attack Solomon too. I wish the devs had included the option to just be passive in that fight, or even to fight with Solomon to try and stop Sebastien (and failing to successfully do so, most probably, but still). The guy was awful and I didn't like how he kept acting like my character and Sebastien were both in the wrong while I was actually actively trying (as much as the game allows) to dissuade Sebastien from keeping on the path he found himself onto, but Solomon didn't deserve to die like that.
What? He prevented him from ever having a hope of curing his sister, destroyed his hard work and tried to hurt or even kill 2 16 year olds. You are brain dead
1. Thank you for being reasonable.
I'm not really sure what's with the fanbase's love for Sebastian.
It's likely because the devs decided to tie the Dark Arts to a single character's storyline instead of making it part of the main story.
Either way, the way people stan over this emotionally immature and unstable cretin that betrays his friends and family is so weird to me.
2. Both Dumbledore and Percival whathisname neglected to stop both of their students before they became exceptional dark lords.
Isidora and Voldemort both showed early on who they'd become. They showed early on what they were, and instead of those training them stopping the whole thing or doing something about it, they turned their heads to the sky until the little kid became a Dark Lord that threatened the entire wizarding World.
Sebastian is the same.
Sebastian is the exact same.
Not turning Sebastian in creates another Dark Lord that could have been stopped in his tracks before he became as such.
Not turning him in because you like that, he taught you some spells haphazardly glued onto his storyline, is incredibly selfish, and shows no care for the greater world around you.
3. It doesn't matter if you feel his goal to save his sister was noble.
She literally tells him to stop and let it go several times.
It's the exact same sister that mourns what he did to their Uncle.
To discount the fact that she wanted Sebastian to stop the path he was going down is incredibly selfish.
Only what Sebastian wants mattered to Sebastian.
It was never about his sister.
Sebastian's QL should be renamed gaslighting 101
Video: Why you should turn Sebastian in... *proceeds to explain why turning him in is bad* 🤣
Avada kadavra- illegal and wrong
Turn a person into an explosive barrel and use his now explosive corpse to kill the guy next to him- legal and encouraged
Fr!
It's not exactly hypocritical if we turn Sebastian in. There would be a difference: he seems to be using the dark arts recklessly and hopefully we'll be using it more responsibly and not turn to the dark side. We are saving him from joining the dark forces besides I want him to be on our side and not join the evil side. I wanna save him from the dark side (or himself) like he wanted to save his sister from her illness.
Players who don’t choose to use the Unforgivables, players trying to play the good and loyal friend… You should still turn him in. If you don’t turn him in, your final conversation with him proves just how unhinged he’s become. The Sebastian Sallow you befriend and trusted with your secrets in the beginning is gone. This easily provoked, unforgiving, unstable Sebastian saw Isadora’s memories with you. He watched her taking her father’s pain away, he believes you can do the same, and you know he’s willing to use the Cruciatus Curse on you. You’re next. If you refuse to use your ability to help Anne, he’ll torture you or he’ll try to force you with the Imperius Curse. If you give in and turn Anne into the empty shell Isadora’s father became, he’ll kill you for cursing her yourself. He really needs help from St Mungo, not Azkaban, but he’ll become the next Ranrok or Rookwood left unchecked, always justifying everything he does by saying he’s doing it for Anne, because of what happened to Anne.
I want to defend Sebastian by saying that killing his uncle could've been seen as defending us. His uncle was using fiend fire on us which could've killed us and Solomon (the uncle) also used leviosa on us and petrified us which could've let the other enemies rip us to shreds. We at some point even beg Solomon to stop as HE IS KILLING US but he says he won't stop. Sebastian killing Solomon could be counted as protecting us which makes it even worse if we turn him in. Because all he did was try to save his sister and in the end he saved our life from his uncle and his sisters life from that one goblin. And he truly does regret killing his uncle in the end.
"But beware of the Dark Arts. Anger, fear, aggression; the Dark Arts are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice."
"What's a bloody 'Obiwanz Apprentice'??"
I’m no snitch.
Pathetic....SNITCHES GET STITCHES! Dan, no excuses.
Snitches go home for Christmas!!!
I turn him in. You find out that the relic requires a dark sacrifice. I'm convinced our character would have been the sacrifice to save his sister if Sabastian had ever gotten the opportunity
pls help I turned him in and i cant unlock the dark art anymore how to to open that
@Moonitot I'm kind of mean. There's an opportunity to learn the Avada Kadavra curse from him. Just after he unalives his uncle. You tell him he did the right thing. That leads him to teaching you the curse. And then you can still decide to turn him in later in the undercroft.
When you point a gun, you have to mean it. Sebastian didn't defend himself with the curse, he murdered his uncle. There's NOTHING wrong with the "unforgivible curses". A pencil is just a pencil until it's exhibit "A"
I mean look at all the other spells that are "OK" to use. Lets just blow everyone up with fire. At least the killing curse is quick. Imagine burning to death. Look at how the spider run around after setting them on fire.
Kid is 15 lol. Why would I send him to wizard jail when I totally enabled him. He seemed genuinely guilty afterwards and his character flipped 180 after not turning him in. He is no longer angry and resentful towards goblins, and he vows to spend the rest of his life making up his mistakes to the three people who refused to give up on him, even in his darkest moment.
Why would I turn in Sebastian when I use unforgivable curses against every enemy💀
Me too
Too many people wrong about HP universe and Solomon trying to kill 2 kids. First of all we don't know what did Sebastian do to save his sister before we met him, second Solomon was working for Ministry of magic and he KNOWS what dark magic is. He was caring to Anne and keeping her as safe as he could while knowing it is impossible to save her( parallel story is the main plot about ancient magic, same ending). Lastly if he wanted he could easily kill both of us. So sebastian was already fallen to the dark side before he met us ( knowing all 3 curses) so killing his uncle only confirmed he was no better than Solomon. Ominis was right all the time and Sebastian should have listened to the folks with experience in the dark arts.
4:35 I agree with you on that one buddy. I didn't like Solomon one bit because of his attitude towards my homie Sebastian.