M1 Pro and M1 Max | Choose The Fastest External SSD?
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- The M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBook Pros are starting to get to your hands and you might be wondering what is the best and fastest external SSD. In this review and tutorial I go through some synthetic benchmarks as well as large file transfers, exporting a 4K video timeline and running apps and software off of the external SSD.
Is the fastest always better and is a Thunderbolt 3 or USB4 enclosure the way to go with these NVMe SSDs, or will you be fine with a USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 enclosure?
The Drives I’m Testing:
Fledging TB3 Enclosure: geni.us/flJqziY (Amazon)
Acasis Direct: geni.us/Acasis
Acasis: geni.us/1vu6Jqc (Amazon)
Sabrent USB-C Enclosure: geni.us/7iogvd (Amazon)
WD SSD (750): geni.us/N2FAzD (Amazon)
WD SSD (850): geni.us/gJKK1si (Amazon)
Samsung SSD (970): geni.us/yRA8d3R (Amazon)
Samsung 980 PRO: geni.us/AZkwLl (Amazon)
SanDisk Extreme (T00-G25): geni.us/n0B9Q (Amazon)
M1 Pro and M1 Max Related Hardware:
14-inch M1 Pro MacBook Pro (Amazon): geni.us/7HlAh (Amazon)
M1 Macbook Air: geni.us/aB6N (Amazon)
M1 Mac Mini: geni.us/pDK2b (Amazon)
Anker Mini Dock: geni.us/ACcOo (Amazon)
Thunderbolt 3 Dock: geni.us/ATbaAjc (Amazon)
MX Master 3: geni.us/pfEgz (Amazon)
MX Keys: geni.us/4wiTh (Amazon)
Ultrawide Monitor: geni.us/un9I (Amazon)
Monitor Arm: geni.us/7j1xeS (Amazon)
Audio Gear:
Overhead Microphone: bit.ly/DeityS2SMic
Overhead Mic on Amazon: geni.us/s1A9eNK (Amazon)
Broadcast Microphone (Q9U): geni.us/QkBCC (Amazon)
Handheld Recorder: geni.us/MTyrz (Amazon)
MOTU Interface: geni.us/NMoYwcJ (Amazon)
ATR Dynamic Microphone: geni.us/0V4K0Rk (Amazon)
Samson Dynamic Microphone Choice: geni.us/fVng5fM (Amazon)
Studio Headphones (250 Ohms): geni.us/BuzD (Amazon)
Yamaha Monitors (single): geni.us/MbemtUC (Amazon)
Studio Monitor Stands: geni.us/MiBAiE6 (Amazon)
What I use to Film:
My Primary Camera: geni.us/gQQxjr3 (Amazon)
Prime Lens 16mm: geni.us/BlBd9 (Amazon)
Sony 18-105: geni.us/Jb3O0 (Amazon)
SanDisk Extreme: geni.us/9MHZlT (Amazon)
Manfrotto Tripod (for vlogging): geni.us/0SYQD (Amazon)
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Intro: 0:00
Hardware Tested: 00:54
Disclaimer: 01:57
Benchmarks: 02:41
File Transfer Speeds: 04:10
4K Timeline Export: 05:23
Why Make This Comparison: 06:08
Running Apps and Games: 07:42
Additional Points to Consider: 08:16 
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Hello Kevin! I am here today to express my frustration! The Orico M2PV-C3 10Gbps NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure "might be" a POS? But I am working with Amazon and Orico to exchange the one I bought in July... That being said? I have test results from the ACASIS TBU405 40Gbps NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure!
MacBook Pro 14 Inch [10c/14c/16GB/512GB] & Mac mini M1 Base Model w/512GB
1st NVMe M.2 SSD: WD Blue SN570 2TB ($170 Amazon)
Black Magic Speed Test 3GB Write 2700MB/s Read 2775MB/s
AmorphousDiskMark 5 times 4GiB: 1 Read 3230MB/s Write 2806MB/s 2 Read 2619MB/s Write 2433MB/s 3 Read 1122MB/s Write 181MB/s 4 Read 47MB/s Write 27MB/s
2nd: NVMe M.2 SSD: T-Force TM8FP9002T 2TB ($150 Amazon)
Black Magic Speed Test 3GB Read 1770MB/s Write 1470MB/s
AmorphousDiskMark 5 times 4GiB: 1 Read 2953MB/s Write 1351MB/s 2 Read 2475MB/s Write 1202MB/s 3 Read 954MB/s Write 216MB/s 4 Read 46MB/s Write 32MB/s
If Orico is willing to refund my money, when I test the exchanged enclosure? I will buy the ACASIS 10-in-1 Hub and put the T-Force TM8FP9002T 2TB in there and hang it off the Mini!
ACASIS TBU405 40Gbps NVMe M.2 SSD Enclosure is a sure bet, People!!! WD Blue SN570 2TB is generation 3 but it does perform! 20GB file transfer in/out takes about 5 seconds! The enclosure is warm and I did purchase extra thermal pads just to make sure there's contact with the door. It will be a few weeks before I can give results from a 4K timeline using footage from iPhone 13 Pro (filmic Pro app).
My next big purchase? A TERRAMASTER F2-210 2-Bay NAS for archiving purposes. I can buy another 4-bay at a later date! Plus, I will be able to clear out the 8TB Seagate External Desktop Drive and make that a backup for the NAS!
This is all super helpful info my friend. Many thanks for dropping this here for everyone.
As far as that Terramaster, I was also looking at testing it. I may just have to pick one up.
@@KevinRossRN While several on YT have said Terramaster is "Cheap"? I want to wade into the world of NAS without too much fuss... I want better than the external drive offerings I have used for archiving my data! Bells and whistles can come later... Later is here! 🤣
I love my Synology NAS. I’ve had it since 2013. Still working well. But I’m always on the hunt for other options to test and to even just have a separate NAS for archiving or running a server.
It’s definitely a worthwhile investment.
Once again, thanks for the info Kevin. I know you put in a lot of time and effort into the actual research that goes into your videos. It helps us make the right decisions that saves us time and money. 👍🏼👍🏼
Much appreciate you as well friend. Thanks for being here 👊🤙
The video I was looking for among all the same videos about the Macbook Pro 14. Thank you!
Glad you found us. 🤙
Thank you, that is information that we really need to know! Keep up the good work!
Thank you friend. Glad to help.
Thanks Kevin, you saved me a lot of money with the FC export benchmarks. I was about the pull the trigger on speed that would go un-tapped. Appreciate it!
Glad to help. 🤘
Lots of great usable info with no wasted time. Well done
Glad to have you here. Hope it helped.
This video saved me so much time and money. Thank you so much
Glad to help. Thank you 🙏
Kevin, I rarely hit the subscribe button, but I'm well impressed with your knowledge and commitment to sharing useful information. Kudos to you my friend.
Hey Chip. Sorry I missed this comment. Sometimes RUclips will bury these. Anyway, just wanted to say I appreciate your time here. Look forward to having you around here in the community.
Thank you for this video! Very informative!
You bet. Glad it helped.
So informative and helpful. Thank you.
Glad to help. Thanks for popping over.
Excellent work, Kevin 👍 Cheers, Dave.
Thanks Dave! Appreciate you being here.
Here it is! Thanks Kevin!
And there you are 👊🤙
Thanks for a great video my friend, well done as always!
Hey Kim! Many thanks friend. Figured it needed an update since I’ve had so many asking about it on my other external SSD videos. Great to see you again.
I second this comment
How about if I make it a third?
Awesome work!
Many thanks.
thanks for sharing this infos
And thanks for taking the time to be here.
One of the best tech channel.
I really appreciate that, and glad to have you here.
Let me just grab my 🥤 and 🍿 for this!
Ha! I won’t spoil the ending.
Great video. A *lot* to unpack here. You highlighted the main reason I decided to spring for the 8TB internal SSD, but I came here to find how to back UP all that storage as fast as possible! LOL Aside from using cloud storage as part of it, I am now considering a fast SSD NAS with 10Gbps networking and let it happen while I'm sleeping.
Thanks! And yes, I’d definitely recommend a NAS. I have one in my workflow and have about 50TBs on it. I can also work from it if I need to. In my opinion, I think it’s a great choice.
Remember that on-site copies of data aren't backups. They can be stolen right alongside the primary, lost in a disaster, etc. If you really want backups, they have to be off-site.
Yep, I sync the NAS to a AWS back up for that extra piece of mind.
Hi Kevin, I've settled on getting a Samsung 980 PRO, either 1 or 2TB, but not yet sure between the ACASIS or the Fledging Shell Thunder. Running 16" M1 Max, but I also still use my 2010 17" with internal NVMe and 16 GB for certain things-I do have a Thunderbolt 2 to 3 Apple adapter just to do transfers of old and archived material(not concerned about speed there)
Acasis direct from their store(not sure where it's shipping from-
Fledging Shell Thunder-company based in the US(Alabama, and I like supporting US based companies. Shell Thunder supports up to 4TB which seems to be an advantage)
I'm also watching your newer video and may post my questions there for more recent opinions.
Big thanks
Hope all of you beautiful humans are well. I just wanted to provide some context on choosing the “fastest” external SSD, and whether the fastest is the best way to go when it comes to saving some money.
Thank you so much- you have saved me from making expensive mistake. I think i will go with.built in hard drive space as I was thinking the same as you but read other bloggers saying its too expensive and not worth it.I think it's worth it if it is faster
All of these videos have been very helpful. I edit videos and my average project is at least 1 Tb. I was looking at the OWC m.2, 4 bay enclosure, but it seems pretty limited. What I would love is something that you can swap up M.2 drives like the Orico Dual drive. This would allow me to work on multiple projects and just swap out the drives. Would love to see you test a dual bay drive. Thanks for doing this. When my MBP arrives, I'll be doing some testing on my own.
Yeah I did see that dual bay setup. Let me if I can get my hands on one.
I’d be curious to hear about your testing.
@@KevinRossRN I'm also looking at the OWC four bay nvme enclosure.
I thought a about that one for my editing workflow where I can keep recently completed projects or footage I use in other videos because right now I just pull from my NAS, but that’s worked fine for now, but I’d definitely love to incorporate that into my workflow.
Another creator has one and I can’t remember if he was having issues with it, but I could be mixing it up with something else.
@@KevinRossRN Tried the OWC Express 4M2 TB3. It was read/write around 700. Sending it back.
👀 Yikes. I’m thankful you shared that information. Was that with their SSDs?
I independently discovered the Acasis USB 4.0 and use it with a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro. I see 2800 MB/s in both read and write on a M1 Max under Blackmagic Diskbench. Acasis discourages using the 970 Evo.
Yeah that 970 EVO certainly not getting the love from these enclosures. I thought about testing the 980, however I’m glad you found the channel and shared these results. Helpful 🤙
Informative video... I opted to purchase Samsung T7 1Tb because at $109.00 it's fast enough for storing files........ Plus I've found using iCloud incredibly useful.
Well and at 109, that’s a great deal. I’m sure you’ll love it. Thanks for hanging out.
Hey Kevin, thanks for making the SSD series. I really appreciate all the thorough info.
One quick question, have you noticed any timeline performance issues when working with the SanDisk Extreme / T7 or T5 in comparison to internal SSD? (dropped frames, stabilization, denoise, plugins, scrubbing through the timeline, etc). I don't really care about the export times if the difference is not that high. I am more concerned about the editing experience. I currently edit my videos with a 2018 mac pro and a T5, I have to encode the footage to prores 422 and when I start adding effects is a pain in the ass. So I decided to buy a mac book pro m1 max, I am waiting for it. Do you think I can keep using my T5 to edit 500GB projects of multiple codecs, XF-AVC, Long GOP, and h.264. I was thinking of buying a T7 and having both. Let me know your thoughts, thanks in advance man.
So the T5 seems to have a slower Read/Write on these M1s…sometimes landing at around 300-350MB/s, which working through the timeline with effects can occasionally be an issue. I’ve only noticed it on a very rare occasion, however with a drive that’s 1000+ MB/s I do not notice it when adding effects and scrubbing through or adding multiple clips.
So even though Final Cut (as an example) may not be reading/writing at that higher speed consistently, there are times where if you’re stabilizing or denoising you’ll get a bump in those R/W speeds for a few seconds, which if the bottleneck is the drive, then that’s where you’ll see that beachball.
But even having enough space to work with my projects on the internal, I still use external SSDs and haven’t had an issue, however I am using the T5 less and less, and have moved those speeds up to a point where the bottleneck would be the CPU or GPU…which I also haven’t hit yet either 😉
@@KevinRossRN Thanks, man! I really appreciate you taking the time. So you think the T7 will be fine or should I buy another SSD? if so, what is your recommendation?
I think the T7 will be a great choice. I typically like the DIY enclosures because of the upgradeable features, but honestly, the T7 should serve you for a while. I think it also comes down to price. Whether you can get the T7 or a SanDisk for the same price or less. They’re both great.
@@KevinRossRN Thanks man!
My pleasure 🤘
Thanks Kevin. Actually an internal 4TB SSD (2 partitions x2TB) is a no brainer (fastest speed on the 16”, no cables,…) with these new MBPro; and USB-C external 2TB SSD as cheap backups (already purchased for the Mac mini ;).
Yeah, at these speeds the price makes more sense than before. I do think it’s a worthy upgrade if you don’t want the cables.
I am curious about the FileVault penalty on these drives and how much it differs from drive to drive.
Thnx for your reply. I forgot that the lightning on iPhone! I think I will go for a Samsung T5.
I do have that drive and it’s been great over the years.
Hey Kevin,
Precise and comprehensive info on the SSDs, thanks for this, SUBSCRIBED!
I had few questions regarding MBP 16" M1 Pro's port(s) with the respect to USB C 3.2 gen 2 data transfers,
Recently I purchased Samsung T7,
When I tested it on intel based macs the speeds were close to ~900 - 950 Mb/s but on 2021 M1 Pro's it was ~700 - 750 Mb/s, with sustained writes of ~512Mb/s!! I was totally shocked to see these results! Even with the previous gen M1 macs, the speeds were better (on M1 with older gen ports)
The 2021 M1 Pro's have Thunderbolt4, USB4, so I thought I should get better speeds but apparently USB4 is not backward compatible with USB 3.2 gen 2? but in the system info of M1 Pro on Monterey 12.2 it shows USB 3.1 bus? AppleT6000USBXHCI
So I'm really confused right now, is the issue related to Samsung's internal bus on T7 or something wrong with the M1 Pro's port(s)?
Or is it that Monterey needs some sort of firmware patch for the ports to be compatible for/with USB 3.2 gen 2?
I would really appreciate your help on this,
Thanks
Thanks! So yes, there’s been a lot of testing on these (and previous M1) Thunderbolt ports.
So the T7 would have an advertised read/write of about 1,000MBs, which you’ll see this closer to that on those Intel based machines, but the underpowered chip along with the communication protocol isn’t really giving us the throughput on these M1s.
The Pro and Max should be better than the M1 as those chips are at a higher watt, however we’re also relying on a retimer in these machines, which I’ve mentioned in other videos, but this basically “equalizes” and cleans up that signal.
Now as far as real world, unless I’m dealing with massive file transfers, I haven’t really had issues in real world use because the programs I’m using aren’t even writing that quickly.
But, to answer the question, we are dealing with some communication protocol issues here, and this has something we’ve been following for a while on these M1s.
Seems that the DIY built enclosures are performing better than the pre-built as long as it’s a compatible combo of enclosure and SSD.
The unfortunate thing here is that most wouldn’t even know there’s an issue…I say most.
However for those of us that are investigating further, we’re obviously finding these discrepancies.
TB4/USB4 being a communication protocol somehow doesn’t seem to be translating the same across all hardware. I’ve also been testing this in a PC counterpart to find the results being different than that of the Mac.
@@KevinRossRN Thanks for the prompt reply and thankyou so much for clearing up most of my doubts!
I was about to return my Samsung T7 but as you mentioned earlier regarding the discrepancies in terms of different hardware compatibility, seems like this will take some time to get resolved or at least for most of us to get a clearer picture of what's actually going on. So for now, I'll keep them(T7) and continue it as my daily drive.
On the bright side though, I'm glad that at least TB3 and TB4 are working well with the M1s and M1 Pros, hopefully we'll see big companies releasing external SSDs with TB4 compatibility as standard, by the end of 2022 (fingers crossed)
P.S. I found/discovered your channel just few hours ago and I'm so glad that I did, will continue to watch your content and support your channel from now on.
Peace
Welcome to M1! 🤣
Yes, I hope to see some additional accessories that’ll better take advantage of this protocol, as well as a bit more consistency from Apple on this protocol as well.
Either way, look forward to seeing you around here 🤘Glad you made it.
Hi Kevin, love how much effort and thought that goes into these deep dives. Apologies if you have answered this question before. I’m trying to get a MPA with 16gb ram and save a bit of money on the storage at 256gb and get one of these options. I do plan on doing heavy video editing on Premiere and will consistently have large file transfers. Wondering which option you would recommend for that situation, and if overheating should be a concern. Or if I should just get more internal storage? Thanks so much in advance!
I always suggest to get as much storage as you can afford, but understand that it might not be in the budget.
I will say that the internal storage is extremely efficient, and a “bargain” when compared to anything else.
However, for video editing, and I did do a video on this not that long ago, you’ll likely not notice a difference because these programs will only read and write to the drive at the speed that your CPU/GPU can handle the work.
I’d definitely recommend 16GBs for sure, and Premiere still has some improvements to work on, but Adobe is definitely trying to remedy these. It’s just taking longer than many had hoped.
Anyway, as far as the the thermal, you may raise the internal temp by a degree or two because of the heat from the Thunderbolt port, but nothing to the point you’d notice.
Most of the heat will likely be on the chip, specifically the GPU.
But even though I always get at least 1TB of internal storage, I still find myself using these externals all the time for editing.
@@KevinRossRN Thank you so much for the thorough response. It is super helpful. You are a rarity on this platform and I will be following along your journey. Much obliged!
Happy to help, and glad to have you here.
You should do a set up where you do a RAID0 using two of those two Fledging TB3 drives and see what the speed is. It should be doubled.
It’s like you’re reading my mind…I may end up doing this video.
@@KevinRossRNWith 3 TB4 ports on the Macbook Pro 16 inch, you can use two ports for RAID0 leaving one port for everything else.
Well I can definitely test this on the 14 as it also has three TB ports. I may throw it in the mix of testing.
Will you be trying any other internal SSDs with enclosures? Like the
Corsair Force MP600
Seagate Firecuda 520
AData XPG S8200 Pro?
Curious on how these perform. Thanks for your research thus far.
Appreciate the inquiry. No plans at this time. I’d definitely put those in a PC, but these enclosures are going to heavily limit the capability of these SSDs. The boards/controllers just don’t go that high right now., and there’s the limit of the TB port as well.
If I get a RAID setup going and see some higher throughput I may see how high I can push it.
Kevin thank you so much for the advice! In terms of external Thunderbolt SSDs, which one would you recommend for an M1 Macbook Pro?
You mean the thunderbolt enclosure, or the actual SSD inside?
Thank you so much for your work! Can you please test the newest Seagate FireCuda 530 in these enclosures with M1 and M1 Pro/Max Macs?)
Thanks. And with this test, I’m curious what results you may be hoping for?
@@KevinRossRN I’m hoping for just anything close to SN750 because this beast from Seagate is a better option for those people, who think about the future buying Windows machine with possibility to upgrade its gen 4/gen 5 (maybe) PCIe with full of power FireCuda 530 NVME :)
I can understand that. It’s an awesome chip and I’d love to have that in a PC. Looks like the stock is limited and I couldn’t even get it for ~2weeks (give or take).
@@KevinRossRN Yeah, sure… Here in Russia it’s also a problem with buying this thing from Seagate. If you’ll so this test, I’ll so happy! 🙏🏻
Great information Kevin. Love the increase in write speeds of the synthetic benchmarks on the M1 Max+Pro MacBooks, with the Acasis + SN750 and Fledging + SN750.
04:44 Do you think that a 2TB SN750 will **not** hit the throttling mentioned?
06:53 I looks like you also ran AmorphousDiskMark benches (without publishing them)? If you still have the results, could you let me know the RND4K QD1 read and write speeds, in MB/s or in IOPS ? If you don't have them anymore, too bad.
Thanks as always for doing this.
I think the 2 TB option would throttle less, but I still think you’d still get some.
And I meant to post those benches for the audience. I do have them saved as a screenshot…just got back from a run. Let me pull those up and I’ll circle back.
@@KevinRossRN Ah, you still live healthy. With this whole Corona pandemic and therefore solo running (which I hate) I just cannot motivate myself to go for a run.
It would be awesome to post the results. Thanks a million.
Yeah the front row seat I have is often a good reminder. Gotta keep up my stamina for all these plates I’m spinning on sticks. 🎟🎪
hi kevin, love your videos
can you please make a video on the file system you use on these drives. Exfat is universally compatible but very prone to data loss, while hfs+ cannot be used in windows
Yeah, I do have a video on here…I’d have to find it. However, do you need compatibility with Windows and MacOS?
Im wondering how that 850x does in that Fledging ...I think Im gonna try it and Ill send u the Benchmarks ...Im really curious how it will fare in heat compared to the 980 pro..I hear a lot of good things from the pc world and a little bit in the M1 world I think 1 little write up and video ..
Hi Kevin, I just bought a 980 pro ssd and mount it in a Casis box. It gives me very good performance, 2800 reading and 2600 writing on a macbook pro m1. The issue is that it gets very hot to the touch when transferring large files of 300 GB and I don't know to what extent it is normal for it to get so hot (you can't touch it for more than three seconds). Very good videos, they helped me as a guide. (Sorry for my English, I speak Spanish)
Did you add some thermal tape to the SSD/enclosure? With those large transfers it will get hot to the touch because keep in mind, the whole thing basically becomes a heatsink.
@@KevinRossRN Yes, two thermal pads came in the box and I put the thickest one. The performance is very good, but since it is the first external ssd that I use, I don't know if the heat is excessive or normal. I'm going to find a way to test it and share it here, thanks
Hello, I would like to store my music files outside my MacBook (2019). Will I get speed issues playing music files straight from one of these external SSD drives? Is it also possible to connect these devices to an iPhone Pro 13?
It’ll definitely be slower on the iPhone because the one really annoying thing about this device (I actually have one) is that the lightning protocol is slow. You’d basically connect it and just access that media through the files app, but I personally like File Explorer Pro.
As far as playing from the SSD on the computer, you should have no issues.
What’s the best option for m1 Mac mini
Heavy audio production, 4K video production (mainly obs videos and editing 4K video footage) and room for vsts and sound libraries? Hope to get a quick response so I can order immediately. My m1 Mac mini is out if space because all the work I do
What your budget?
@@KevinRossRN Honestly I would like to go the budget friendly way and still get some great performance. i just need the space. The performance I just want to store files so I can edit and then after Im likely going to delete them. Going into 2022 I no longer want to fill up harddrives like I did in the past. I want to finish work and likely not revisit. If I do at least give it 6 months and clean my drives out. If you have to give me an option of wha to pick up right now off amazon to get back to work what is your call?
Then I’d go with the 3.1 Gen 2 enclosure like the one in the video along with a SN750 or 970EVO plus as these are usually often on sale. You’ll get plenty of performance and longevity out of those SSDs, and you can always switch them
out later into another enclosure if you want.
@@KevinRossRN Thanks for getting back to me. The sabrient you have in the description in 3.2 will that be fine with the WD 2tb?
Yes, you should be able to work with this setup and it’s listed as compatible.
Thanks for your great videos. I heard that after the firmware update of SN750, the slowing down issue occurs too. I saw Samsung 980 pro works very well in your video, but I think I don't need to pay much more for the same performance as SN750. I'm still looking for some SSDs for the external enclosures, but it's hard to find information. Can you recommend some? (I'm using Mac Studio M1 Max)
Did you also see my recent video on if these speeds really matter? Might help with that buying decision.
I’ll check it out. Thanks bro
Sure thing. 🤘
Great video!! One question, does the SSD/NVME speed improve working from the external drive? Photo and video editing. Most tests ive seen only compares the speed it takes to copy files but thats not so important to me. I just dont want my SSD to be a bottleneck for editing performance.
You’ll be fine with editing because those programs are only going to be able to read and write so fast. I edit on external SSDs exclusively without any issues.
@@KevinRossRN Ok awesome! Thinking about buying a Sandisk external for editing on my M1 Max. Need to save money somewhere 🤭
You should be just fine with the SanDisk. I still have it in rotation.
That random disconnection issue can be solved in energy settings something like “Don’t put drives to sleep”
Yeah, for sure. I haven’t had that issue, but I know several have. But yes, certainly a workaround.
Nic evid as always Kevin. At the end of the day, which one would you recommend for a M1 MacBook Air for music productions (budget doesn’t matter at all)? ✌ ACASIS is for example super lame on MacBook Air M1s. 😬😬😬
Ps. Great Yamaha boxes by the way. I have got the HS8w sime few days ago 😀
Thanks! I love them. 🔊
Do you want a DIY solution or one that’s pre-built?
Thinking about returning my MacBook Pro m1max with 32gb ram, because I got 500gb variant the problem is the long shipping time. That’s why I’m trying to think if I should do external ssd. What do u think
You mostly doing video work? I will say that having at least 1TB at a minimum is nice just in case you want to put a couple projects on the internal. However, 99% of the time, regardless of the internal drive, I’m using externals because I really just like to keep the “mess” on the external.
I hear you though on those delayed shipping times. I thought about experimenting with another spec, but decided that I’m good where I am.
Hey Kevin, amazing videos man! I watched all your other videos on enclosures and I'm sold on going that route for an external, but I see they make a "new" version the TBU405 as opposed to the TBU401. Do you have any interest in the updated one or are you happy with yours? Thanks for all the effort and work you've put into all your experimenting, it's VERY helpful! 🤘
Happy to help and glad to have you here. As far as the updated version, I thought about testing it, but the biggest selling point, or rather marketing, is that it’s supposed to be cooler.
I haven’t had issues and I think any reduction in heat would be insignificant unless you’re really running that thing full tilt all the time.
The believe it has the same controller in it, so I think it’s really about the vents in the enclosure itself…if I’m not mistaken.
@@KevinRossRN Wow thank you for getting back to me, I really appreciate the response! And yeah I think you're right, it's just the "corrugated" shell. At the same time it's also smaller with less aluminum so I was feeling like it would come out the same in the end as far as cooling. I think I'll stick with the original! Thanks again Kevin, I hope 2023 treats ya good and I look forward to more videos!
Hey, just glad to help where I can. Best of luck with your decision and have an awesome 2023 yourself 🤘
Hey Kevin I'm sorry I have ONE more question when you have a minute. Have you had any troubles with sleep and the Acasis enclosure ejecting improperly? I came across one review saying they were having problems, but I can't seem to find much in my searching. Thanks man!
I’ve never had this eject on its own. I have however had issues when it’s plugged in alongside another external SSD, and then unplugging it (ejecting it) and not being recognized when plugged back in. It required a restart, but this was only on the M1 (base chip) and not the fault with the enclosure. It’s how MacOS was handling the protocol on those machines.
No issues on the M1 Pro or Max.
Very comprehensive video which is always appreciated. however, I’m now more confused than ever when choosing an external drive for my new MacBook M1 Pro 16”. I’ll be using the drive mainly for Serato DJ software, hooked up to a controller, torrenting with some large data transfers to older USB A drives. What would you recommend as I’m just feeling a little dizzy after absorbing your info lol🤪
So to clarify, will the drive be plugged in directly to the MBP, or into that controller?
@@KevinRossRN Into the MB Pro for all taaks
So any of these drives are going to work. To save some money, you’d be just fine with the Sabrent enclosure. I’d still choose the WD SN750, and as I said the benefit here is that you’d have the ability to upgrade.
The SanDisk Extreme will also work and I doubt you’d notice any performance issues, but that would be my second pick in your use case.
@@KevinRossRN Cheers Kevin for the reply. Its really appreciated👍🏽 So to be clear the Sabrent encloser with the WD SN750 SSD would be a great option for my needs??
@@KevinRossRN Would i also need to buy the heat sync version of the WD SN750 as thats an option when configuring thru Amazon? Would this keep it cooler once installed in the encloser?? Sorry im a dummy when it comes to these types of drives lol! I have been using external spinning drives for years so this is new territory for me and I want to get it right. Thanks for your time & patience🙏🏾
Since rendering video is about the same for the drives due to software limitations, would I be ok editing 8k Red Raw on the 16 inch 64gb 2TB M1 max in resolve or premiere pro using a sandisk extreme ssd or will my timeline playback and scrubbing be slower due to the speed of the drive ?
Based on my testing with 8K Helium footage the read speeds are anywhere from 75-125MB/s depending on the timeline and a lot of that is really happening through the internal even though the footage is on the external.
The bottleneck will likely be the GPU of that occurs, although Resolve is on another level of efficiency.
@@KevinRossRN Ok, so just to be clear. I really wouldn't be able to get much faster read speeds in my nle by getting a faster external SSD because things are still mostly happening internally ? So like sandisk Extreme vs extreme pro really doesn't matter?
I’d at least get the version that’s 3.1 Gen2 (about 1,000MBs) to give you some headroom, but you’ll be good. I’ve rarely worked off the internal drive for editing, even with complex timelines.
I have a video on here somewhere where I talked about editing on a spinning HDD. Not ideal for loading, but once that thing is spinning up, it’s moving.
I tested that with a7siii footage.
RAM swap is going to happen on the internal and it’s likely you’re not even moving fast enough with that footage that the cache is going to be fine as well.
I’ve also edited photos in LR and PS on these drives because as you may know those programs and workflow really start piling up files.
Hello Kevin. Is it possible to connect to mac mini m1 external enclosure with 20gbps. Seems like it works only with 3.2 gen2. I'm not sure about it. Or to achieve the best speed, it's the only way to use TB3 40gbps? Thank you.
So Gen 2 x 2(20Gbps) falls back to 10Gbps. What kind of workflow do you have?
@@KevinRossRN Hi. Mostly I'm using After Effects, sometimes with C4D or Blender and other typical apps like PS, AI, and Figma.
For this moment I have Mac Mini M1 with 16gb ram and 256 gb of SSD storage. I want to put all my software on a native in-built SSD, and use external m.2 for all project files. Also interesting, is it works fine if I put AE cache on external space? Thank you!
Gotcha. Well with the DIY enclosures you’ll get better throughput than the pre-builds, but I also really like this USB 4.0 enclosures.
Either way, I’d say if you can get close to 10Gbps you should be good.
Thanks for the video man!
I got the PNY XLR8 NVME 2tb SSD and an NVME adapter classified 20gbps and also an classified usb 20gbps, i should get somehow near 20gbps or?
I really need to do a video on this specifically when it comes to throughput and the protocol between these Thunderbolt ports and USB 3.2 Gen2.
So essentially that enclosure at 20Gbps will likely fall back to 10Gbps on these Macs. I’ll see if I can put something together for the community.
@@KevinRossRN but why? A RUclipsr from Germany gets 2.6gb/s! I ordered everything and will get in touch with you around Friday:)
Cool. Let me know what you find when it comes in.
Got an Acasis case with a Sabrent 2TB ROCKET NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 SSD, getting 2655mb/s on read and 2129mb/s on write with Blackmagic on my M1 Pro 14“ if this is of value to anyone…
Very helpful to hear as these SSDs have been hit or miss with the M1 in these particular enclosures.
Appreciate you sharing this info. 🤘
Hey Kevin! Great video! I have the 2TB 980 pro with the Acasis enclosure coming tomorrow. Bare with me as I explain my problem. I've had my 24' M1 Mac (256gb) since January. I had my entire os running on a 2TB Sandisk extreme pro. Woke up to it being corrupted. Thank goodness for time machine. Then got a Trebleet enclosure with Sabrent rocket 4.0. Worked great for two weeks. Boom, same thing happened. But after researching more, Trebleet says on there page that the Saberent rocket is not compatible with Mac OS. Dough! With all that being said, would you advise to stick with what I've been doing or just keep all my data on the ssd and use the internal for the main OS? Thank you for your time and valued opinion. Best regards, Jimmy
If you can, I’d try to keep the OS on the and just keep your media and libraries on the external. I’ve certainly done a video on running apps off an external and as you know you can run the whole OS on the external.
I usually still run a time machine on a separate SSD about every week or so, but these externals are really where everything else gets put (aside from the OS).
Not sure about the SanDisk because I have a couple of them and they’re great, but they can certainly crash on you. And, as much as I like Sabrent SSDs for a PC build they tend to have some of the most unstable occurrences in these enclosures.
I’m still loving the 980PRo and have been looking to switch all of my SSDs to these drives. Just my two cents.
@@KevinRossRN thanks brother for the quick response!!
You got it. Best of luck. 🤘
Hi! Thanks for the very useful video
I have a little question
I'm going to buy a WD SSD (750) to use with Acasis. From your link, I saw that they have WD SSD 750 Gen 3 and Gen 4. Gen 4 is even cheaper now. Which generation would you recommend buying and why?
I will use it with macbook pro m1
I’ve used several Gen 4 SSDs in the Acasis enclosures. The Samsung 980 Pro seems to work the best as far as read and write speeds, but honestly those speeds are only utilized in a very niche case.
I’d say to avoid the WD 770, but the Gen 4 WD 750 is what I’d invest in as long as it’s the same price or cheaper. There aren’t really any enclosures that are able to take advantage of the full read and write of Gen 4, but the 750 SE is only rated at 3600MB/s, so you should be able to get fairly close to that, but as mentioned in my other videos, the write speeds are lower on the M1.
@@KevinRossRN Thank you very much for the quick response!
I watched a lot of videos on this topic and yours was the most informative and structured! And your detailed answer helped me finally decide. I wish you and your channel prosperity. With this quality of video and information, you should have a lot more subscribers!
Many thanks. Glad to have you here in the community. Sending my best.
Thank you for this video. You explained a lot!
I'm trying to decide if I should go for a Sandisk/Corsair/Samsung T7 SSD Gen2 disks or buy a new enclosure (Gen2 or TB3/4) + a new 2TB nvme. At this moment the option for USB-C Gen2 enclosure + nvme (3000/3600Mbs) can be 30$ more expensive than the others (need to wait for another promo). But maybe in a few months, I wonder If I would really need the TB3/TB4 speeds for my video and photography editing or if the USB-C Gen2 800MB writes would be enough... Do you think Is better to grab the nvme + enclosure? TB vs USB-C? Or just stick with a Sandisk or Samsung t7 ...?
To give more context:
I just bought the new Macbook 14" M1 Pro and I was expecting to use my actual External SSD enclosure gen2 that I used for 2 years in a Windows laptop. Sadly I was and I'm still having problems with it. At first I couldn't even connect to the laptop, he would turn on but I could only see it under the System Report with a speed of 10Gbs. But after updating to Monterey 12.0.1, finally the computer recognize the disk, but only at 5Gbs speed. But at least I can use it. :P
Thanks! So again, it’ll come down to the program as far as read and write, so I would say that the USB-C Gen2 enclosure can really save money in the long run because it allows you to upgrade the SSD or the enclosure when you’re ready.
However I still stand behind the SanDisk Extreme and I use it with the heaviest tasks and no issues.
The deals are definitely hot right now on SSDs and even if they’re up right now, just wait five minutes and they’ll be back down.
So you already have an enclosure but you’re only getting about 5Gbps right now?
@@KevinRossRN Thanks for taking the time to reply. I was actually seeing your Accessories video :P
Yes, I really like the idea in the long run to just update the Nvme or a thunderbolt enclosure. I was only considering now the TB enclosure, because I've been reading a lot of problems and lower speeds with USB-C disks, using enclosure or Samsung T7. But I guess you're reaching the maximum/normal speeds of Gen2 with Sandisk Extreme Pro and the Sabrent enclosure, right?
Yes, I've been using for the last 2 years an enclosure under a Windows laptop. The benchmarks were always around 800'sMB read/write. But from what I've been reading, the JMS583 chipset isn't working very well with Macbook M1's. Like I said before, only after I updated to Monterey 12.0.1, I've been able to actually use it.
I was doing some more tests, and sometimes he recognizes as a 10Gpbs connection and other times as 5Gpbs. And the write/read speeds are never more than 500's MB's as 10Gpbs or 300/400MBs as 5Gpbs. Really weird...
If I can get the normal 800MBs of Gen2, I believe I will be fine. Under that and considering the way my current external SSD is working vs the internal disk, I see a real difference when I'm scrubbing or doing fast forward the clips under DaVinci Resolve.
So with the M1’s I’ve noticed that the Gen2 enclosures (usually) perform slightly better than the pre-builds where I was getting closer to 800MB/s with the enclosure and the prebuilt was around mid 600 up to 700MB/s give or take.
There was an individual here that ended up getting the Acasis enclosure and the Samsung 980Pro: amzn.to/3lyrhKz (this one)
And he was saying he got somewhere around 2700 both read and write…although that was of course in that Thunderbolt enclosure.
I really like the Sabrent USB-C Gen 2 as it seems to work well on both M1 and the M1 Max.
I’d at least try to stay in the 1000MB/s read/write on the drive because as you know it’ll be slower on that M1. If you get a decent NVMe you can always use that elsewhere down the road. I’m always finding uses for these things.
@@KevinRossRN I took your advice and tests you did, and just ordered a new Crucial P5 2TB + the Sabrent enclosure. If i'm not happy with the results, in a few months I get a Thunderbolt enclosure and take advantage of the top speeds of this nvme. At least I have choices. And maybe Apple would fix this slow speeds under USB-C.
Thanks again m8 =)
Happy to help friend. Best of luck and yes, you’ll have a couple of options here. Nothing wrong with options. 😉🤙
I just jumped into external NVMe SSDs and enclosures, and (helped along by videos like yours and by Black Friday prices) settled on a 2TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus and an Acasis USB4/Thunderbolt enclosure (TBU405). I'm running a Mac Mini M1 (2020) 16GB system, on Monterray. I fully expected to see excellent read speeds and slower write speeds. To my surprise, my write speeds actually slightly exceeded my read speeds. (2822 write, 2728 read, per BM Speed Test). Is this a matter of improvements in the SSD or the enclosure, do you think? According to their website, the enclosure uses a Titan Ridge TB-3 chipset. I am a power user for video editing but not a gamer or system builder. Any idea why I am getting vastly improved write speeds vs. what reviewers have been reporting on similar hardware?
Well it’s possible there’s been a firmware update on the SSD, however, have you tried a synthetic bench test with another app?
We have seen slight improvements with these speeds with certain updates, however this also comes down to the communication protocol on these M1s.
For video you’re going to be fine, even if those read and write speeds were half of that. I still love these enclosures because you can easily swap out SSDs.
@@KevinRossRN I just ran AmorphousDiskMark and the sequential read/write are both around 2500 with Queue Depth=1. When QD=8, read goes up to ~3100, and write dips to 1400. I Not sure what any of that means, but I do know that the drive and enclosure seem to be right in the sweet spot of price vs. performance.
Yeah, that’s the one I use and believe to be more realistic. BM seems to not capture the correct values here.
But that being said (as mentioned before) I still think this combo is a great value and will serve you well when you measure by the real world use case.
do you think its worth getting the 8tb as built in for macbook pro max?
What are you mostly using it for?
Lol the ending
I aim to entertain. 😉
Kevin: So, are we simply waiting for more capable enclosures before reaching max theoretical speeds with the M1 Pro/Max machines? Or is reaching max m2 Gen4 speed not possible?
Unless you’re running them in a RAID configuration, which few people are, then this is what we have. We’ll eventually get more capable enclosures, however at a cost because running them any higher you’re going to see that thermal throttling kick in more often, and then it just becomes a moot point.
Not to mention that some of that 40Gbps throughput is going to be reserved for other peripherals that could be allocated to that Bus.
However it also comes down to the read/write of the program as mentioned here.
@@KevinRossRN Makes sense. I run a 1440p ultrawide through TB, I'm sure that impacts the performance ceiling as well by saturating the bus.
Yeah, and even though it's a dedicated Bus, it still needs to hold some of that bandwidth. In real world use, it's really not noticeable. One of the biggest advantages of the internal SSDs on these particular machines is because of the speed in which memory swap can occur. It's so efficient that you really don't know that you're "out of memory."
So you think that i can use for editing 4k videos with a sandisk in fcp directly from ssd?
Yes indeed. I edit with the SanDisk often.
@@KevinRossRN thank you! A big thumbs up for you!
Many thanks. And best of luck.
I was working a vid last night and had something weird happen, i was exporting and for some reason it was take a long time, weird, come to find out i did my settings wrong
that's important to make sure those are set right, Did it a second time and it went a lot faster. but man this MacBook is a beast. When i was really getting into the edit, i could tell the battery was draining fast.
have not tested anything with my Samsung ssd yet, soon.
Yeah, sometimes a setting that’s off can throw you. I was just noticing on Twitter that someone had compared the previous 16 inch MBP to the current M1 Max in a compressor workflow and the previous Gen beat it by a lot, but it seemed as if there was a setting that wasn’t correct in the new one. 🤷♂️
@@KevinRossRN yeah crazy how that happens I went back and changed a few things and went fast
Software 😏
I wish humans had this feature of keeping the bloat elsewhere 😂 great video again Kevin!
🤣 I’ll just keep my bloat over here away from the rest. You don’t want me spilling in.
Many thanks friend.
Hey bro wonderful video. I needed the info. However. I’m listening to this on my full range system. ANDDDD it sounds like you have no high pass filter on or it’s set to low. Nitpicking here but just letting you know.
Yeah the high pass is actually set lower on this one. I ended up editing this without my reference monitors and I normally keep the same setting for this type of video, but I think I was also experimenting with the gain in my handheld when I was recording.
Sometimes it’s the nature of the grind because after a full week of testing and filming I’m pretty shredded through the edit…sometimes that is.
No problem bro. I understand the feeling. excellent video. wanted make you aware just in case. Keep the great content coming.
Thanks. Always a work in progress. Appreciate you 👊
I am getting 40MBps only - On M1 MAX + Samsung 980 NVME 1TB + ORICO enclosure.
A 4,3 GB file copy from M1 MAX to NVME external drive takes 2minute with 35 to 40 MBps .... which is really slow ....any advice!!
I’ve had trouble with those Orico enclosures. Which one is it?
I know this is a subjective question but, I’m trying to get a grasp of the performance of storing and editing videos (Premiere for me) on one of these super fast NVMe externals vs the internal MBP M1 SSD. Do you, or anyone else in the community have any guidance to share? I’m talking the basic stuff like importing, rendering, timeline scrubbing. Thx!
Honestly as far as storage, I’d consider a NAS or at least something that has a spinning HDD since it’s much cheaper, although these NVMe SSDs can be a storage solution, it’s just that per TB they start getting pricey.
As far as working off of them though it’ll still be heavily impacted by the program’s ability to read and write.
I edited a video yesterday on the internal drive for the first time in quite awhile and there wasn’t really any performance difference between that and the external NVMe SSDs I use.
However, I will say that these internal SSDs are actually a “bargain” when it comes to the upgrade.
Not to go against an external SSD because I have quite a few, but for the price of the upgrade on internal storage, you’re paying close to that with an external drive.
But again, for your needs, I would say the majority of us (or at least quite a few) edit on an external SSD without issues.
@@KevinRossRN I think my mind is made up. Thank you for help.
Glad to help. Best of luck, friend.
Sabrent XTRM-Q external SSD or (WD SN850 or Firecuda 530 SSD with external TB4 enclosures for longest lifesapan (over 1200TBW) and fastest speeds).
Yeah as long as the board/controller can support those Gen4 speeds, which I hope will become more common.
@@KevinRossRN I think durability of ssd is more important than anything.
People store terabytes of data on it and especially for external ssd that gets overwritten quite often, a failure would mean losing a ton of data.
Transfer speeds are nice if it’s reliable.
Seen one too many shitty ssd die due to poor endurance .
I can understand and appreciate that perspective. There is nothing good about losing data.
So I’m waiting on my 16 “ M1 max MacBook Pro and I use Final Cut Pro, I’m currently using the Samsung T7 2TB would I be getting better performance out of another SSD?
I’d stick with the T7. You’ve got a great SSD there.
@@KevinRossRN thanks man!
You got it 🤙
What do you think of Crucial P3 Plus Gen 4 4tbb NVMe?
They’re great SSDs, but are you thinking about putting it in the Acasis?
Yes I was.@@KevinRossRN
Hi Guys
I am looking to purchase a raid enclosure to backup my archive files, that will inc images, videos and data. I am currently looking at a OWC NVME enclosure and 4 Evo SSDs
Does anyone have comment on this? I am not an expert in this department
How much data do you think you’re looking at over time? Just thinking about the cost to scale, and how often you’re going to be accessing the data.
Hi Kevin, I need an external SSD just for Videos to be stored from my Camera and my Drone and work on them with Final cut Pro. I own a Macbook Pro 14 M1 max with 1TB and I just used an internal SSD for my photos. what do you recommend buying?
Are you looking for something specific other than what’s in this video or some of my more recent ones that involve video editing? Such as budget or some other specialized needs?
@@KevinRossRN something with a little bit of everything, feature prof, speed, long period of use with less heat.
@@tourajmohammadi1359 Well I'm currently using the SanDisk Extreme Portable that I mentioned in this video. Been using it the last several videos.
It's a great SSD for the price.
However the DIY enclosures in this video are also some of my favorites because it allows you to at least have some choice over the specific SSD that you use in these enclosures, however they can often be more expensive as an upfront investment.
But one of the things I like is that let's say something happens to the enclosure, for whatever reason, well, this is where you're able to salvage the SSD inside of it, which is definitely the most important part.
However I guess I was curious if you're just looking for something that's different than in this video because they will all most certainly fit your need, and I've continued to use them all without issues.
For me I've just typically rotated through them all because it often just comes down to offloading the files onto my NAS, so if for some reason I'm using one more than the other for a week or two, it's usually because the others are full.
@@KevinRossRN Thanks, I will go with one of them that you mentioned in this video.
Yeah, and I didn’t want to come across as obtuse or anything, but all the ones I review, I recommend. They all pretty much perform the same unless you’re constantly moving very large files back and forth.
does this also apply to the mac mini m1 or it doesnt?
Well there are some values with the mini, and I’ve done other videos on those tests with the M1, but yes, it’s still relevant.
This might be a dumb question..Does anyone know if the 980 pro ssd with factory heatsink will fit in to the fledging thunder enclosure ???
I believe there was someone here either on this video or another that tried it and I’m pretty certain it was a no go.
@@KevinRossRN damn that sucks. Thanks for saving me money. Too bad those heatsink ones go on sale for a pretty damn good price
I’m just so confused. I want to get the Acasis enclosure with the 850 but now watching this video it looks like the 750 is better? So should I get the 750 instead? I’m just a guy who does a lot of video and photo editing for work and I want to get a fast drive to work on so is the 750 the better option instead of the 850?
Also I have an M1 MacBook Pro. Working with 4k 10bit 4.2.2 footage.
Well, either of these drives will serve your needs. I did do a video where I featured the Samsung 980 Pro and it performed even better in the Acasis, however these speeds are synthetic benchmarks, and I would say that real world use you might not even notice a difference with editing.
I also use 10bit 4.2.2 without issue on either SSD, however the other question would be your budget. Do you have a specific budget?
@@KevinRossRN if I can keep it under 350 that would be great! Saving money is a priority for me. I was even considering the Sabrent rocket Q4 2TB which comes in at 186 right n
So there’s a spreadsheet that someone put together on my other video where I reviewed the Samsung 980 PRO and I think the Sabrent wasn’t compatible with the Acasis. I’ll have to find that spreadsheet. It’s in a pinned comment at the top of that video.
@@KevinRossRN thank you soooo much for your help. I’ll go check that out
What do you think about the new kingston xs2000?
Are you going to be using it on these M1 machines?
@@KevinRossRN yes. I just ordered a 14" m1 pro with 1tb and I do photo and a little bit of video editing and I'm want to use and external ssd for this. Thx!
So as far as the XS2000, this is a Gen 2 x 2 in which it looks like it’s rated for 20Gbps on that read/write, however on the MBP, because of the Thunderbolt ports, it’s going to fall back to 3.1 Gen2 speeds which is 10Gbps, so you’d lose a little of that performance, although you wouldn’t notice it in real world use.
Acasis Thunderbolt 3 + Netac NV7000 - Air M1 2700/2500 Mb/s
Thanks for the share. Haven’t heard of that one, so it’s good to be introduced to something new.
Big thanks for sharing, Kevin. From what I've seen so far--though perhaps anecdotal because it zeroes in on my particular situation--the big issue has been concerning write speeds w/ 2TB+.
In my case, I have the Acasis TB3/USB4 enclosure which you perhaps also have. I'd like a 2TB NVMe for it to use as the boot drive for my 2018 Mac Mini (currently OS11 but will upgrade to OS12). From what I've seen from online reports, 1TB is fine for write speeds. At least with the Intel Macs (and I don't know about with OS12 on the Intel Macs).
Well, so far, I've resolved myself to probably going 1TB SN750, because it's better than nothing and I already have the enclosure. Can you perhaps advise on an NVMe (1 TB or better yet, 2TB) that will likely have excellent write speeds for both my 2018 Mac Mini and will offer similar results for M1 Max? Thanks
As far as the 2TB drive…have you tried those in that enclosure you have, and getting slower write?
@@KevinRossRN I haven't, because I'm living in Eastern Europe...so if I order something it's likely for keeps. As is the case w/ my enclosure. It's my first NVMe enclosure and I haven't ordered a drive yet. My commenting about the 2TB+ write speed lag was based upon various forum threads. The common denominators for write speed issues seems to be for ppl using 2TB+ drives and/or Apple silicon. But that's M1...no big forum threads concerning the newer Macs, I'd guess. Well, thanks for asking
Gotcha. And yeah those write speeds are definitely the M1 issue and I’d still recommend the 2TB SN750 if you’re able to get it.
@@KevinRossRN Just a quick question, have you tried with 2T SN750 with titan ridge controllor? I did and the write speed of 2T SN750 is only half of the 1T version. Not a good recommendation.
What’s your current setup that it’s running in?
Would Samsung t7 be slowed down significantly on the Macbook m1 max?
The T7 is going to have very similar results that the SanDisk Extreme I tested in this video. Pretty close to identical.
@@KevinRossRN perfect, just ordered it! Thanks
Awesome. Sending my best.
you look like matt ryan :D
This is my side gig in the off season. 😉
🦋 Those of us in the music industry need the fastest most efficient TB4 SSD avaible in the market. You kept forgetting that not all Macs can be upgraded. Thus, external SSD is a must for those running heavy duty applications with file sizes reaching 1TB which is why I’m here. Wished you had concluded with what’s the best choice for us TB4 users running on a M1 Mac Studio.
You should check out my latest video on this subject 😉
It’ll be relevant for all of the latest M1 Macs.
Why have you not tested V2 version of Sandisk which could have used half of the
USB 4 speed.
You mean the one that’s rated at 2000MBs? The Gen 3.2 2x2?
@@KevinRossRN yes. I want to know if its a better fit for M1 Pro.
It’s not. The 3.2 Gen 2x2 won’t get you 2000MBs on these Thunderbolt ports. They’ll actually fall back to 1000MBs. It’s just the communication protocol that exists with these two. So, I’d save a little cash and just go with the 1050MBs set up, or if you really want the speed (depending on what you’re doing) then it’s TB3/TB4 enclosures.
@@KevinRossRN Thanks Kevin :)
Best of luck.
Why is the SN 750 faster than the SN 850?
Gen 4 PCIe SSDs are usually backward compatible to Gen 3 protocol and speeds, but they’re not all as efficient with that communication protocol. The controller on the chip can also influence this.
In these situations the Gen 3 is often times (mostly) going to perform as well or better than the Gen 4, it’s just that you can often get Gen 4 SSDs for the same price or cheaper, and it may be a better long term investment, especially if you decide to use that SSD in something that can take advantage of that Gen 4 protocol.
Halo Kevin, I found that the Acasis one will eject automatically when my m1 max Macbook turns to sleep mode and it is not a proper eject. Is it normal for this type of enclosure? cause I try other drives don't have this problem.
Actually I haven’t had that issue…I still have mine plugged in from a few days ago. Interesting.
Just as an experiment, have you tried going into preferences and toggling the prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when display is off?
@@KevinRossRN I tried all options about the sleep mode. But, the issue still here. Maybe just mine have this problem😅😅 I ask the seller form amazon he told me to switch off the sleep mode, of course I know it can advoid this issue but I think it didn't solve it.
Btw, thx Kevin help me to figure out this🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hmmm 🤔 Well, this is a bit of an issue indeed. So when it’s plugged in, and you got to system report, then down to TB/USB4, do you see Tahini Creek? And what about firmware version?
58.1, and then further down 1.42.0?
ruclips.net/video/WrvQxKkUsuQ/видео.html
The situation is like this
Updating the OS to see what happens on my end. I just cam back in the studio to find mine in “sleep” but did wake it up and still connected.
I’ll report back once I’ve updated the OS to see if something changes
Thanks for the review! I have an M1Max on order. In the meantime, based on your review, I bought a Fledging Shell Thunder, and put a 2TB SN750 in it. I also bought their active TB cable. On my PC laptop with TB3 I’m only getting around 700 writes and 1700 reads. Any thoughts as to why? Could it be the 2TB NVMe vs the 1TB you used?
First, congrats on the M1 Max coming in.
As far as the 2TB you’ll see about 100MB/s difference, which is advertised. As far as on the PC you should be able to get that full throughput, but can’t confirm without knowing as to whether it’s a dedicated bus or shared among the other I/O.
I also haven’t tested their active cable, and I do have some from Cable Matters, but at such a short distance I haven’t felt the need. On your PC can you confirm you’re running the latest firmware on that SN750?
Thanks. Yes, I have the Western Digital app on the laptop that confirmed it’s the latest firmware. Not sure about the shared IO comment, I’ll look into that. As I wrote, the write speed especially is way too slow. I’ve emailed Fledging to see if they have anything to say. Thanks again.
An update: My new Macbook Pro Max arrived, I plugged in the Shell Thunder and with the 2TB WD SN750 I got approx. 1,100 writes and 2,500 reads, higher than the 700 writes than I got on my PC laptop, but not great. I took a 1TB WD SN750 out of my Mac Pro and put it in the Shell Thunder enclosure, and got 2,500+ writes and reads. That’s good news, and points to either the firmware or something else with the 2TB version of the SN750. I’ve just ordered the Acasis enclosure for the 2TB blade, hopefully I’ll get good writes in that.
PS, getting over 6,000 writes and reads on the MBP internal NVMe! I wish I had had seen your review before purchasing, I would have gone for the 2 or 4TB internal NVMe instead of the 1TB. With the cost of the blade and enclosure it wouldn’t have been a big difference to upgrade the internal drive.
Exactly. The pricing on these internals are in many cases a better deal than these external solutions.
The more I look over and review comparisons with other machines, the more the “Apple Tax” doesn’t seem to hold the same weight that it used to.
I hope you enjoy your new setup.
I made the mistake of buying a SanDisk Pro Extreme 4TB thinking I'd get the 2000 MB/S+ speeds and found out it's bottlenecked due to the interface in the enclosure and tops out at the numbers you show. If I took the drive out of the case and put it in a new enclosure like the one you used, would I get better speeds or is the the bottleneck in the drive itself?
So it’s basically the enclosure (the protocol), not the NVMe in there. However, I’m not certain about taking the SSD out of there. Sounds like a video idea might be brewing.
That being said, as far as real world use, have you noticed any issues with those speeds when actually using it?
@@KevinRossRN It's obviously exponentially faster than the external Hard Drives I was using before but it's still getting less than half the advertised speed. I was thinking about just ordering a new NVME (4TB) and a fast enclosure and returning the SanDisk but I may not be able to do that. I don't want to pay a restocking fee and I think Amazon says they have a 15% restocking fee on these. I spent over $100 more on the latest iteration of the Extreme Pro that rates over 2000 MB/s according to the add, almost twice the speed of the previous version, but it practicality they get the same speed on M1 Macs due to the protocol of the enclosures. (3.1 2x2). I thought, if just putting the drive in a new enclosure would get it up to the advertised speeds, then I might just do that since the price of the NVME 4TB SSDs are about the same as what I paid for this drive anyway.
Totally understand. I can’t recall whether those NVMe SSDs are soldered to the board in those enclosures since they’re all somewhat self contained. I’d have to look into that further.
How long ago did you end up getting it from Amazon?
@@KevinRossRN According to the teardown videos they aren't soldered. ruclips.net/video/8svMczNQgSA/видео.html
@@KevinRossRN I got the drive around April 21.
As far as we know, Samsung is not using exclusively Samsung controllers, but Phoenix or Elpis comptrollers as well. Mentioning the number of layers is ridiculous, because it means nothing here. It is just a way, making SSD flash chips cheaper. Appreciate your videos and voice very much anyway.
And I appreciate you taking the time to hang out. 🤘
Can you add an NVMe drive to the MBP M1 Max?
You mean upgrading the NVMe internally?
@@KevinRossRN Yes, internally. ;-)
@@KevinRossRN Which brings another question, is the standard drive on an M1 Max, NVMe? I went with the 4tb, but feel like 8 or 12tb internally, might be nice. I do a lot of DIT work (backing up RED camera files, and transcoding them) as well as some editing in both FCP X and Premier.
Not replaceable and yes, it is NVMe, but soldered in.
I know that the upgraded prices have been a big obstacle in the past, but as I’ve said I really feel like these internal drives are really hard to beat if you want to do all of your work on the internal.
I personally don’t mind using external SSDs, but I’d certainly appreciate let’s say a 4TB internal just to have several massive projects on there.
What about seagate huda?
Are you referring to FireCuda?
No Sabrent Rocket 😢. Love mine
They make great SSDs for sure. They just don’t seem to play well here. At least for most I’ve spoken to.
@@KevinRossRN what do you mean by that? Also I’m looking for an SSD for my MacBook Air M1. I want an enclosure one but I can’t decide. The thunderbolt 3 enclosures are expensive. Do you have any recommendations?
Just that the Sabrent SSDs haven’t had the best luck in these Thunderbolt enclosures.
However the Sabrent enclosure I reviewed here is great. I’m continuing to use it, and it’s reasonably priced.
@@KevinRossRN ohh ok. Thank you. I’ll look into that enclosure. Also is pci4 necessary over pci3? Idk if Thunderbolt 3 is worth the extra like 100 or so to add that capability. I Mostly do photo editing but occasionally 4K video.
Well as I was saying in the video, save some money and go Gen 3. Save even more and go USB-C 3.1 Gen2 for the enclosure.
I just had a horrible and confusing experience using an ORICO M.2 Enclosure for NVMe SSD enclosure with a Sabrent Rocket Advanced 2TB NVMe SSD. It installed very easily. I was able to initialize it and tested the R/W speeds. I was getting 2000-2200 RW on a blackmagic speed test. I copied 4GB and it disconnected. I tried multiple cables and ports and it never came back. Replacements for each came and the same exact thing happened. I am stumped but I am thinking the Sabrent overheated and instead of throttling it just died. Still very confusing. Orico and Sabrent have horrible support and are only PC focused so there was no real solution. DIY NVMe is the Wild West right now.
The Wild West for sure. And I’ve got someone from the community here that did additional testing and it’s the same story with Sabrent SSDs overheating and disconnecting. There’s a pinned comment on my 980Pro video that has his spreadsheet attached. You can see what he’s done.
And yeah, I also have a Orico enclosure I was going to review, but I do not like it.
my life is a bitch running adobe Lightroom catalogs and premiere pro files from my slow HDs, so do those mini differences matter. running this stuff on my M1 16" pro MacBook does not do anything. how do I know if any of those machines are enough for what I try to do: Run adobe apps and import/export files? I'm a big fan of sandisk external ssd. should I consider those internal ones with getting the enclosures and all that extra stuff?
great video man. I appreciate your input! still feel pretty lost every time I do a search on these brands. people have different opinion on different brands from their personal experience!
have you tested the WDSN750SE?
I haven’t tested the SN750e, but I’ve been told it isn’t performing as well as the original for certain tasks, but I can’t speak firsthand about it.
So do you already have the M1 Pro machine?
Also, I love the SanDisk Extreme SSDs, and what I will say is that if you’re talking about spinning HDDs then these SSDs will perform better as far as working off of them.
How much do you really want to do a DIY and how much are you just wanting an already setup solution?
@@KevinRossRN Thanks for the reply. Yes I upgraded from Mac mini m1 to MBP M1 16inch. Well I know the speed will jump once I move to any SSD I just have not been paying attention and didn't understand the process well before (thought having more space internally would give be better) but forgot that my HHD which were originally made for backup, I started using my Adobe libraries and files from there and I was like oh shit I'm doing it all wrong.
what I want Is best performance for buck. so if SN750 + enclosure > Sandisk ready ssd (which i'm a big fan of) then yes I will spend the extra $$. but if both are gonna perform around 1000mb/s then a sandisk would be less hassle! thoughts?
Well the SanDisk is going to be an “easier” solution. You’ll get plenty of throughput on it. I will say that the DIY enclosures will give you a bit more on those speeds because you are working with a NVMe SSD that has a few more bells and whistles, but when it comes to real world I honestly don’t think you’ll notice in your case.
For someone like myself where I’m constantly removing drives and updating, it saves money in the long run, and before I reviewed tech I’d just always choose my Samsung T5 for everything and never had an issue with it.
Kevin which application are you using to measure the speeds of to transfer files?
iStat Menu.
@@KevinRossRN btw, I went with the Sabrant gen 4 2tb. My Fledging enclosure arrives later this week. So far I'm getting 840/870 R/W on that Sabrant usb 3 enclosure.
I’ll be curious to hear those speeds when that Fledging comes in. Very curious.
@@KevinRossRN absolutely... What's the best way to share these? Here or DM?
Yeah, just pop back here if you want. Always good to share it with the group so we can all get that info. A lot of the data I get is from user experiences here.
Best SSD so far: WD 750. By the way Ross, which desktop pad are you using in this video?
You mean the one from my top down shot and in front of me? It’s a pad I picked up on Etsy. Oakywood.
@@KevinRossRN Thanks.
You bet.
Would any of those enclosures work with an 8tb SSD?
The Sabrent should. The Thunderbolt enclosures are limited to 2TBs and 4TBs as they tend to have performance drops any higher.
egpu?
No support at this time.
we need an update its been a year Brodie
You need a fast external SSD?
Having watched this video I’m still not sure which one is the fastest.
The take home message here is that they’re all going to net you very similar results. I still recommend getting a DIY enclosure if you’re interested so as to allow for upgrades down the road.
I should've watched this video before purchasing a Samsung 970 evo plus...
Which enclosure have you been using it with?
@@KevinRossRN I'm using ACASIS 40gbps...
@@KevinRossRN btw if I may ask, are the SSDs in AFPS format?
They are. It’s definitely the most efficient in my experience.
Gotcha. How is your performance on this setup?
Ok its official ...Fledging has closed the doors for good ...So no more ssd enclosures ..Hopefully they do what all other corporations do and thats go bankrupt and open up under another name lol ..That being said I scored a used fledging ssd enclosure on ebay today for 76.00 so .. ..There are 2 different versions of this ssd hopefully I got a good one ...
Man, I’m going to have to start up my own. I didn’t realize. I think they may have been trying to do too many lines of products.
@@KevinRossRN I think their problem is they tried to hit a narrow niche area..How many people build their own ?Probably not many ..Plus their products seem to be high quality and people rather buy cheaper stuff that does the same thing unfortunately..I actually bought mini fans to build my own,but I saw this on ebay by luck so I am gonna see the layout on this kit and see if I can make something up...Still have to find the driver board ...
Yeah, it is a very niche use case, but it seems like Acasis is doing quite well, thankfully.
I’ll be curious to hear how your build goes once you get it figured out.
@@KevinRossRN Ill def let u know how it goes ..
0:54 There are several factual errors in those statements: USB Type-C ist a physical connector, not a protocol. Thunderbolt3 _can_ use Type-C connectors, while Thunderbolt4 is only specified for them, i.e. _must_ use Type-C. Also, there are still no SSD enclosures anywhere on the market supporting USB4. Some Chinese manufacturers (Acasis, Orico, Yottamaster*) claim to support "USB4.0", but they are essentially lying or, best best, misleading consumers (hint: there is no "USB4.0"/"USB 4.0" standard -- officially it's only USB4). All of those enclosures use the Intel JHL7440 Thunderbolt3-PCIe 3 and/or JMicron JMS583 USB3.2 gen 2-PCIe 3 bridges, and those do not support USB4 whatsoever, and neither Thunderbolt4. Hence, despite the manufacturers' claims of "40 Gbps speeds", these can only be achieved when connected to Thunderbolt3-capable ports, using the JHL7440 bridge chip. As such, a fully Thunderbolt3-capable cable with a USB Type-C connector on one end and a Mini DisplayPort connector on the other end should also work, running at a theoretical bandwidth of 40 Gbps.
*) For enclosure details, see the specs here: www.acasis.com/h-pd-9.html www.orico.cc/us/product/detail/7328.html yottamaster.com/shop?goods_id=136
ruclips.net/video/zdwPB-mnSmI/видео.html - Orico 2500 write, Read Speed