The Saints are truly in Sports Hell. They’re too good to be bad, yet too bad to be elite. And yet they can’t add to their team because they’re stuck with a team that is in decline and too expensive to move.
I agree with you and im a Saints fan myself..we’ve seen so many instances of the Saints win against teams you expect them to lose against but die or just self sabotage against teams they should win..they have the potential to be elite but can’t close games out, have horrible coaching staff (I hope the new OC can save us), and are inconsistent as a team..
As a saints fan, THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE SAINTS. 1 word the saints need to do, REBUILD. At best, we are a team that loses in the 1st round of the playoffs. At worst, we go 7-10. To good to be crap, and to crap to be good.
Yeah I can’t understand this, they’re a team that has potential to be a play of contender despite all this bs. 2021 they could’ve been a serious threat as they shows flashes vs the Packers, Bucs, and Patriots..then died vs teams they should’ve defeated. 2022 they had a horrific injuries but yet lost so many winnable games, the Saints could’ve been at least 15-2 if they’d stop self sabotaging and close the games out. 2023, they had so much talent but coaching held them back and the Saints had more games they should’ve won but then died. I hope this 2024 season things change with this new OC we got..
I would rebuild. They need quality good draft picks in order to grow. Settling for later rounds and undraft picks doesn't work anymore. The luck is gone.
It was a combination of both, but then yet again the Saints were mostly held back by horrible defenses, sometimes refs (2018), and self sabotage (2019, 2020). Drew Brees in 2012 showed that despite having the NFL’s historically catastrophic defense, he still hits 5k yards with an inconsistent Jimmy Graham and the only really good player on offense being Marques Colston despite having Sean Payton suspended that entire season… Sean Payton in 2019 showed he can win without Drew Brees and even 2021 he showed even with Jameis he can win. However they both need each other, and especially with the defense being why they couldn’t be super bowl contenders in 2010 and 2011.
As a lifelong new orleanian, I can say we have never really recovered from the No call. Tree you make a great point. All the fans you talk to today when you ask “what could we have done better in the last five years” you always almost universally get the no call argument. But with Mickey Loomis constantly playing Cap Tetris and making contracts work, stringing on michael thomas after it was evident he was a team cancer, Carmichael running TC Williams offense in Remember the Titans, and us constantly putting everything on defense to win games, how could we have done any better? How could we adapt and move on with the other contenders? Saints fans are uniquely stuck in the past. And a lack of accountability on our part for the team. Too many people couldn’t see the writing on the wall.
If you ask me, the 2018 team that were victims of the no call might’ve actually been better than the 2009 team that won it all. Also, while his overview of their history is pretty accurate, the early 90’s Dome Patrol teams were actually pretty solid.
That 2018 team, talented though they were, were too mentally weak for Lombardi's tastes. If you can't stop a last minute field-goal drive AND score with first possession in sudden-death overtime, you don't deserve to be champions. The implosion into mediocrity in the years since have only strengthened this conviction in my mind.
@@christmashake8968Okay, by that logic, every team that loses in the conference championship is "mentally weak". Your argument does not make any sense. We were strong enough to nearly make the Superbowl. So no, we weren't mentally weak.
Brees signing contract was the downfall of the saints. As much as I love Brees he wasn’t close the to championship at the end of his career and saints went into cap hell because of it
Me, a lifelong Saints fan: "Hey, we got a Utree video!" Me, a lifelong Saints fan: "Oh we got a Utree video..." I wanna be hopeful so badly. But I fear what we've really become is Jeff Fisher's Rams. Only worse, Dennis Allen wasn't even the HC of his glory days.
Come on man, have hope. Every Saints fan should at least be interested for this upcoming season. We have a sew offensive system. A great defense still. We should be better.
What glory days? Fisher at least took the Titans to a Super Bowl as head coach. What the hell has Dennis Allen ever done as a head coach to warrant such optimism?
@@forresttowns4995honestly we could’ve had Dan Campbell since he was the TE coach, but they chose freaking Dennis Allen of all people as the head coach…
@@Doll_ie kind of like us passing on Harbaugh and Bellichick for Raheem Morris. He may do well, he may not. Point is big name coaches were available and we didn't even look at them. It's like hiring Arthur Smith and drafting Desmond Ridder all over again.
Friends: are you seriously watching new Urinatingtree videos when they come out. Me: you can stop asking that question, ok. I’m going to be watching Urinatingtrees videos when they come out ok. So you don’t have to keep asking that.
Honestly as a Saints fan, I don’t know what the hell to say. The Saints have potential to be a deadly force to be reckoned with and win games against certain teams you wouldn’t expect and then they die against teams they SHOULD DEFEAT. Every season we’re all left with “what ifs…”. 2010 - Defense, what’s that? 2011 - Same scenario 2012 - catastrophically the #1 worst defense in the league, punishment for bounty gate, no Sean Payton as he’s suspended, Drew Brees has to carry…somehow we went 7-9 2013 - #4 best defense, deadly offense, choked opportunities vs Seattle… 2014 - Defense dies, hard schedule 2015 - Defense dies again, Dennis comes in, maybe some hope…? 2016 - Hard schedule, signs of hope despite being 7-9… 2017 - Yay! Rising team…oh wait…Minneapolis… 2018 - We wanna kill the refs.. 2019 - We wanna kill the refs, amazing story, die the first round… 2020 - Drew’s last season, we show the league Tom Brady is overrated despite having a super team, then the Saints decide to self sabotage and die… 2021 - Rebuilding team, nice 5-2 start-….oh no MORE INJURIES?! 2022 - hard schedule, injuries, Dennis Allen can’t coach…trash offensive coordinator.. 2023 - Lots of talent, trash coaching, easy schedule and STILL RUINED EVERYTHING…THANKS DENNIS AND PETE… I swear I hope this new OC they have will give us some hope….and we can have a competent offense for once…
I think that ''we are just one piece or one good year away from contending'' is really going to hurt them longterm. They will be at least okay in 2024 but what is the longterm view on this team? The roster has been on a slow decline the last couple of years. There is not really a future at QB and they will be too good to get one of the premium prospects in the next 2-3 years.
@@seanharrison6719 Then every team's fanbase needs to admit that it's wrong and shameful, cause spoiler alert: every team has a bountygate system. Shocker.
As a Vikings fan I should be reveling in NO's misery, but that whole "Next year is our year, we just need some tweaking!" is a such a familiar kind of hell that I can't help but sympathize.
@@donborvio And I would trade all of that regular season success for one damned Super Bowl ring. Hell, I'm at the point where I'd gladly take just one Super Bowl appearance in my lifetime.
My Man Pissing Tree, I coached former Rams DB, Nickel Robey Coleman in HS. Def. Coordinator & DBs. We still teach that, when your beat for a TD in Man2Man, take P.I. Penalty. Better than 6pts. We called the "Panic Button". He & I both admit how bad the ref blew that call, & SHOULD have been Def P.I. I've also been a lifelong Bucs Fan from '76. U made a SUPERB Video about us, & Culverhouse. Keep up the great work.
Legit, as a Saints fan, I have no idea what to even think about this upcoming season other than it's going to be another year of frustration and falling short. Maybe all i can do is hope that at some point my Saints break out of this endless spiral and become a top contender again. That being said even if it is another frustrating season I'll cheer my team on. That goes for pretty much any team we cheer for. We gotta take the golden years with the mid tier and trash tier years. XD Great Vid Tree ❤
As a Saints fan, one thing that haunts and angers me is that Dan Campbell, the Lions current HC could’ve been the Saints head coach considering he was their TE coach, let that sink in….
I don't think he would have succeeded as much with the Saints as he does in Detroit. I don't think the Siants have big culture problem like the Lions did a couple years ago. It's more of a FO philosophy and strategy problem with them still trying to hang on to that late contending years with Brees. Not accepting the fact that their contending years are over and that this team probably needs a hard rebuild
So? does anyone even know what Campbell _does_ besides angrily fail to complete sentences? Calling him "inspirational" is a great way to cover for not knowing anything. Johnathan Gannon will never be called inspirational for how he coaches, but his players were dousing him in Gatorade what, week 3 of last season? Has anyone done that to Campbell yet? Far as I can tell he's All Image & bluster.
@@marcalexanderhenningDude, we're trying to fix the culture. That's why we hired Klint Kubiak, Andrew Janocko, John Benton, Keith Williams. Our offense should look a lot different from years past. People really should not be sleeping on us.
@@ChewsCarefullymight be the most retarded takes I’ve ever heard. The players on the lions are willing to die for Campbell and has brought the lions more success since like ever.
@@jcoolguy1548 I don’t think that culture is your biggest problem. It’s more the FO trying to hang on to your contending years instead if facing reality und tearing that shit down to rebuild. Nobody is sleeping on you. You are playing in the worst division and your team is solid. You could win your division and win a playoff game. But when the NFC‘s big boys are coming it‘s over. That‘s the definition of mediocrity
At least the Saints have a Super Bowl win. The Lions haven't even appeared in one yet and the last time they won a title, there were just 12 teams in the NFL.
@@bryson1482 Oh my God here we go again lmao. Someone using bounty gate to cry about our super bowl win. We won. Get over it. It was over 15 years ago. Our offense was legitimate. What you gotta say about that?
As a Saints fan, part of me feels like this could be the make or break year. Like standing at the edge of a cliff, if we play passable football and sneak into the playoffs we’ll back away from the depths of a rebuild for atleast another year. But if we struggle…I could see us fully ripping the bandaid off and going as deep into a fire sale as we possibly could. And it wouldn’t take much, I’m fully convinced that if we start out the year 1-3 or 0-4 then Allen gets canned and we elevate Kubiak to see what he’s got
As a Saint’s fan, this was sad rhetoric but needs to be said. The Benson’s have relied too heavily on Mickey Loomis and it has been our best asset in the beginning, yet today has become our biggest liability. I wish he would move on and let someone else take the reins but I digress. I, again for the third year in a row, do not forecast a decent season. Great video Tree!
As a long time Saints fan, let me say THANK YOU for how you broke down the 2018 non-call game. As fans, we simply cannot talk about all the mistakes made in that game that cost them. There was a dropped TD that turned into a FG early. The fake punt shifted all the momentum to the Rams. A 10 point lead blown twice. Then after the non-call, all you had to do was stop them from driving. Typical Dennis Allen defense in the final 2 minutes prevented that. Something went terribly wrong with that team at the end of the season. They were never the same again after the Dallas game. It was like the offense broke after that. They struggled offensively in all of their games after that. Pull the Panthers game where they couldn't even score 14 points, or the Steelers game where they needed several questionable calls to go their way to just barely beat that team. Even in the other playoff game, they were so underwhelming vs the Eagles. The non-call was just a convenient excuse to overlook all the other things that was going wrong for them in 2018. I don't think the offense would've woke up vs the Pats or Chiefs in that SB.
I have been counting the days for this since Drew Brees retired. I will never forgive Sean Payton for running Michael Thomas into the ground to the point that his foot was grinded into beignet sugar. Also, in hindsight, I’d say the real moment that killed the Saints was when they traded up for Marcus Davenport. The no-call was merely a symptom.
@@fortynights1513I would have taken Derwin James, personally. But honestly, the real cost of that trade was missing out on potentially getting AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, and DK Metcalf in the 2019 draft
@@fortynights1513 Lamar Jackson was available at the spot we took Davenport - hell if we stayed pat and not traded up, Jackson would've landed right in our laps
Honestly Marques Colston’s lateral pass wasn’t even the real reason the Saints lost that game vs Seattle, Shayne Graham’s two missed field goals hurt like hell.
6:27 "redzone offense" Even when Carr was with the Raiders, getting touchdowns when inside the opposing 20 was always a difficult thing for Carr to get complete.
You ever see those old cartoons where the guy gets in his car and starts driving, but then the car starts to spaz out, cough and wheeze before deflating like a balloon, falling apart or just exploding? That's the Saints without Drew Brees.
@@evtar816 at least you don't have any memories of the 3-13 seasons then. I'll take 9-8 any year but I agree it's tough after being blessed with Brees so long
I had the sensation the Saints were going to lose to the Rams when the latter did a punt fake that the Saints did to them earlier that year and were totally caught off guard. The play calling was the real reason the Saints lost and it should never have gotten to that point where if you put yourself in a situation to lose, you will lose, unfortunately. As a native who rooted for this team for many years before trading in the black and gold for red and gold, I can say that this is a franchise that does not know how to deal with long term success because it is not part of their history. They had good players and small successes but the office and coaches have made extremely terrible decisions, e.g. the Rickey Williams trade. The Brees/Payton era was really an anomaly for a historically bad organization. Yet the Saints lost their heart and soul when Tom Benson died and Gayle, while not a meddler like Jerry Jones is simply not cut out to be an owner and make the necessary hires to make the Saints great. She does not care for the Saints and unfortunately it’s going to get worse when the leaders leave the team and they have nothing to rebuild with. Mickey Loomis has long since passed his prime and should have left when Peyton did and the 2017 draft prolonged his stay much to the chagrin of the fans. The saving grace of the team will either be that Benson sells the team, or fires Loomis and Allen and cleans house.
Now if Tree would only cover the eternal state of existential agony that is the Arizona Cardinals. The Saints first played in 1967, with one NFL championship and fourteen postseason campaigns. The Cardinals were founded in 1920, have won two NFL championships and have just eleven postseasons under them. They have the worst w-l record of any legacy NFL team, and the longest championship drought of any North American professional sports team (77 years). Legend says that it can all be boiled down to cheapskate team ownership, having been owned by the same Bidwill family since 1933.
As a Cards fan myself, I didn’t like his Cardinals video, because Wilks was absolutely bad, and I felt Tree was too soft on him. Watch the 2nd half of the Cardinals games, and that is absolutely a justification for a 1-season fire. Kliff, as much as don’t like him, did more in one game than he Wilks ever did as a head coach. And that team was not so bad in talent that they should have only won 3 games that year. 49ers win the Super Bowl last year if they fired Wilks. Talent they had on the defensive, they should have dominated everyone. However, I really hope he does a century of failure video for us.
Just be sure to learn their history Pottsville Maroons won the nfl title, played a game vs college all stars after an had their title vacated.. I feel the players of that team are cursing an haunting the Cardinals franchise ever since Considering their decades of despair it explains alot Maybe if Nfl gives Pottsville Maroons their title back, maybe the spirits wont linger around anymore??
@aceassn716 The Cardinals have had the majority of their success since moving to Arizona. While they have two NFL championships from their days in Chicago, they were mostly a terrible f**king team while playing there and in St Louis. In Chicago, they made the postseason only twice(*), and in the 29 seasons they played in St Louis, they had just one playoff appearance, and that was during the strike-marred 1982 season. Arizona has been better for them, or at least their current generation of ownership hasn't effed them over as much as the previous generations had. *: They won the 1925 NFL Championship in a time when the champion was determined solely on their regular season w-l-t record, and it doesn't count as a "postseason."
As a Giants fan the 2013-16 years were like this. Then 2017 happened. The best thing the Saints can do is clean house and start fresh instead of trying to contend and mortgaging a future they don’t have. My Giants are still suffering for this and it’s been 8 years.
Not mentioned in the video: "With the 11th pick in the 2017 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select Quarterback, Texas Tech, Patrick - " "Whoa-oa not so fast"
As an avid Tree enjoyed, I gotta say. I’m glad he made one of these videos again, to me it’s pure Tree when he starts harassing a franchise down to their core ❤❤❤
2:40 The Falcons never recovered from 28-3, the Saints never recovered from that no-call, and the Panthers never recovered from Cam’s Super Bowl fumble. Meanwhile the Bucs are somehow the most successful of the bunch….
The problem is that rebuilding isn’t a guarantee to success. For every Texans there’s a Jacksonville. The way out for the Saints is drafting. Always has been. They need to accrue more picks.
LOL on the Schwarber boom stick for the Beast Mode stiff arm on Tracy Porter (yes, the same Tracy Porter who got the Favre pick and then a pick 6 in the Super Bowl).
A couple thoughts from a dedicated, miserable and at least moderately self aware Saints fan: 1) The Saints are absolutely screwed long term without a rebuild, and the only way they find any short term success is with a lot of luck and a coaching overhaul, so agreed on all points in that regard. 2) Payton is an underrated part of why the Saints struggled the last few years with Brees - he never really adapted well to Brees' decline, and he got pretty addicted to trickery and outsmarting both the opponent and himself at the end of his time. He still gets a massive chunk of the credit for the ring, and he's a legend because of it, but if him leaving made the Saints worse, it's only because of Allen being such a downgrade over pretty much any other option. 3) You're definitely right about the Watson thing - I was terrified they were going to go through with that, and I was already bracing for the arguments about how much a woman owning the team changed the optics/morals of that deal. Probably the biggest bullet I've ever seen us dodge, and we didn't even do it on purpose. 4) This one's self indulgent, but can we stop the whole "this screw job doesn't let you off the hook for *insert play that wouldn't have happened/mattered without said screw job*" talking point? Not just for 2019, and not just for the Saints, but in general. It's not interesting nuance, it's just wasted breath over the least unique part of an important moment. Every football team makes plenty of mistakes every game, and I mean every single one, but whether it's the Saints in 2019 or the Lions all the goddamn time or any of the other controversial calls we fight over, those events are far more significant than any one mistake a team makes, if not in the game itself, then for the NFL as a whole.
I'm the biggest Carr supporter. I have never lost faith in him in his entire career. After watching him with the Raiders and then Josh McDaniels messing it all up, I just wanted Carr to light up the league. I still want him to do it and he has the opportunity. I just want him to win a Superbowl and I'll be happy.
I'm with you on the fact that I would love it if he turned it around and showed people he's more than what they think he is. I do think our fanbase (Saints) gave him too much hell last season and blamed him a lot because it's the easy thing to blame the QB even if our flaws (very clearly I think) run much deeper than how he has performed. He got beat up quite badly behind that O line, played hurt and everything...dude really showed grit and I admire and respect that. Do I think we should have signed him to that contract? No. But that doesn't mean that he is the one who should be taking that much criticism. Another good example: ahead of the draft, I kept seeing people wanting us to take this or that player in the first round, for example Brock Bowers, examples that really (to me) showed delusions abouut where this team is at and what it needs right now, and I kept telling everyone: Whether you like it or not, Derek Carr will be QB1 next season, and if we want any chance of making anyhting work with him we have to bolster the O line, or he'll just keep getting folded like a lawn chair and people will blame him and want his head on a spike by week 5 or so.
Gayle Benson pays zero attention to either of her teams unless there's an opportunity to look good for cameras. Loomis and Allen would've both been long gone years ago if Tom were still here.
@brent592 the only reason it didn't happen the first time was Katrina, he was trying to move the team for a long time in the 90's, I remember that vividly, and I don't even remember what I was doing in 9/11, and I was 10.
Hey man, give DA and Mickey credit. They hired new offensive guys and are instilling a new system. We've been having the same system for 17 years. At least we're trying something new.
I'm from the UK, over here we have games one one channel (Thursday Night, A 1pm EST ko, a 4pm EST ko, SNF and MNF plus Redazone). All those potential games and Saints were only ever on when nobody else was (which was only 3 times iirc). If they had to choose which game to carry, the 2023 Saints weren't it.
And Miami at home believe it or not. I can say Tim hated to play in Miami. He had a losing record there. Only team in the AFC East to beat Tom at least once a year lol
This is why I'm not quite as bummed about being a Panthers fan. Yeah, we're bad and rebuilding, but we at least FINALLY have a direction for the first time under Tepper. We aren't stuck in the middle (with you). Whether or not that direction gets us anywhere is another question, but at least we've picked a lane.
As a Saints fan myself who bleeds black and gold, most of your points in this video are pretty spot on. It baffles me that we've come so close to getting back to the super bowl since the 09 season, multiple times mind you, but can't get over that hump. And this season is looking like yet another question mark despite the promising additions made in the offseason and Kamara coming back.
I can’t believe I didn’t see this video sooner. As a Saints fan, the only thing I have going for me rn is hope that our new OC will revolutionize Carr and get our offense back to its old swagger. It’s delusional but it’s all I have rn
Saints are stuck in long term sports hell. Not good enough to make a deep playoff run, not bad enough to get top draft picks, and a declining roster that is too expensive to move
Next season (just suffer for this one) is probably a good opportunity for a QB tank season, but knowing the saints theyll just kick their cap problem down the road
This is similar to how the bills were in peak drought years. 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, maybe 6-10. Never good enough for the playoffs, never bad enough for a great pick.
A lot of the redzone woes were on playcalling, I won't deny that, but as a Raiders fan, Carr was DREADFUL in the redzone for multiple seasons before we moved on from him. 2022 he was statistically the worst QB in the redzone out of all starters. Some of that can be put down to McDaniels, sure, but it's been an issue with Carr at 2 different teams now, some blame has to fall on him.
Plus to add, I'm not against rebuilding but it's not that simple, there's teams that are still rebuilding but stuck in worse purgatory like the Bears, Giants, Raiders, Cardinals, Jaguars, Jets and Panthers. The Saints are good, average at best but not elite but I would say rebuild isn't the answer for us, we need a better coach like Mike Vrabel or Brian Flores.
I also want to say I don't hate Dennis Allen, he is the reason why our defense is good and has been consistently good since 2017. He's a good defensive-minded coach but he isn't head coach material and he doesn't have the leadership.
Also to add, I wouldn't have confidence and faith if Carmichael was still our OC so I'm glad Klint Kubiak is our OC because again I'm confident and excited to see what he brings.
@@joshuaguste6883Good players, even a couple Hall of Famers. But if your team has a Hall of Fame quarterback in the last 40 or 50 years, that might be the best player by consensus.
@@wesleyhunt7599I actually agree with your take NONE OF THESE PLAYERS are classy or good men off the field including Drew Brees WHO COVERED THIS crap up They won A RIGGED TITLE through cheating like the jets did in super bowl 3 Honestly they deserve 20 years of dumpster diving paper bag wearing and going back to the AINTS There literally the Astros of the MLB where everyone should hate that franchise
tree this is a great video as a saints fan, i do have hope and wish you would’ve put some spotlight on spencer rattler his last season at south carolina was solid and he seems to have matured a lot
Here after the Saints lost 7 in a row after starting the season 2-0 😂😂😂 Jesus Christ it never ends 🤣 UPDATE: They done fired Dennis Allen and traded Marshawn Lattimore to the Commanders 😂
Great video on the Saints. The only nitpicks is that this year they have started to address kicking the can down the road with the cap. They didn’t overextend and they cut players that weren’t worth the price, like Andreas Peat. We will see how it goes, and the CJ trade was more from Allen pulling rank and “disciplining” bad locker room culture.
The Saints to me have 0 blame but to themselves for that Rams game absolutely no reason when you had 5 5 RZ trips and come out with 20 pts.... you absolutely blew it
I remember that Championship Game Sunday in January of 2019. The Patriots beat the Chiefs in overtime after winning the coin toss. All the headlines wete about how the overtime rule is unfair and the team that wins the coin toss automatically wins the game. I simply raised my hand and said Why didn't the Saints win then?
"Okay time to go out, get some fresh air."
"Tree just dropped a new video."
"Fresh air is overrated anyway."
The Saints are truly in Sports Hell. They’re too good to be bad, yet too bad to be elite. And yet they can’t add to their team because they’re stuck with a team that is in decline and too expensive to move.
Worst part? This was forecasted at least four years ago
The definition of stuck in neutral
I agree with you and im a Saints fan myself..we’ve seen so many instances of the Saints win against teams you expect them to lose against but die or just self sabotage against teams they should win..they have the potential to be elite but can’t close games out, have horrible coaching staff (I hope the new OC can save us), and are inconsistent as a team..
Seems like the perfect team for Kirk cousins
"At least we can compete in Tank Division"
As a saints fan, THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE SAINTS. 1 word the saints need to do, REBUILD. At best, we are a team that loses in the 1st round of the playoffs. At worst, we go 7-10. To good to be crap, and to crap to be good.
The issue is that the division sucks too much for them to feel it necessary.
Yeah I can’t understand this, they’re a team that has potential to be a play of contender despite all this bs. 2021 they could’ve been a serious threat as they shows flashes vs the Packers, Bucs, and Patriots..then died vs teams they should’ve defeated.
2022 they had a horrific injuries but yet lost so many winnable games, the Saints could’ve been at least 15-2 if they’d stop self sabotaging and close the games out.
2023, they had so much talent but coaching held them back and the Saints had more games they should’ve won but then died.
I hope this 2024 season things change with this new OC we got..
I would rebuild. They need quality good draft picks in order to grow. Settling for later rounds and undraft picks doesn't work anymore. The luck is gone.
Bro yall arent seeing the playoffs anytime soon be real
You can’t rebuild, not for another few years at least because of the contracts
I think the Saints watched The History of the Atlanta Falcons on SB Nation and started sucking again in solidarity
Right when they said that the Saints have joined the NFL's elite, but now the NFC South has turn back into Tank Division
@@SkidMan_JurejHow about the Texans?
@@fortynights1513 they were showing bits of promise last year, I'm hoping they can keep it up
Guess I know what to watch later
@@CDio-vr3bxset a LOT of time aside. incredibly long, entirely worth the time
The saints weren’t Sean Payton
They were Drew Brees
It was a combination of both, but then yet again the Saints were mostly held back by horrible defenses, sometimes refs (2018), and self sabotage (2019, 2020).
Drew Brees in 2012 showed that despite having the NFL’s historically catastrophic defense, he still hits 5k yards with an inconsistent Jimmy Graham and the only really good player on offense being Marques Colston despite having Sean Payton suspended that entire season…
Sean Payton in 2019 showed he can win without Drew Brees and even 2021 he showed even with Jameis he can win.
However they both need each other, and especially with the defense being why they couldn’t be super bowl contenders in 2010 and 2011.
@@Doll_iedrew carried the saints more in the rob ryan years imo
Almost beat the chiefs on his first game back from breaking however many ribs
Nah. Brees wasn't the one getting the defense to injure the other team's QB. It got them a Super Bowl too!
It was definitely both.
horrible oversimplification
You guys forgot Brees did well in a shitshow named the Chargers
As a lifelong new orleanian, I can say we have never really recovered from the No call. Tree you make a great point. All the fans you talk to today when you ask “what could we have done better in the last five years” you always almost universally get the no call argument. But with Mickey Loomis constantly playing Cap Tetris and making contracts work, stringing on michael thomas after it was evident he was a team cancer, Carmichael running TC Williams offense in Remember the Titans, and us constantly putting everything on defense to win games, how could we have done any better? How could we adapt and move on with the other contenders? Saints fans are uniquely stuck in the past. And a lack of accountability on our part for the team. Too many people couldn’t see the writing on the wall.
If you ask me, the 2018 team that were victims of the no call might’ve actually been better than the 2009 team that won it all.
Also, while his overview of their history is pretty accurate, the early 90’s Dome Patrol teams were actually pretty solid.
That 2018 team, talented though they were, were too mentally weak for Lombardi's tastes. If you can't stop a last minute field-goal drive AND score with first possession in sudden-death overtime, you don't deserve to be champions. The implosion into mediocrity in the years since have only strengthened this conviction in my mind.
Karma for bountygate
@@vince11harrisDude, get over it. We won that Superbowl. Our offense was legitimate. What you gotta say about that?
@@christmashake8968Okay, by that logic, every team that loses in the conference championship is "mentally weak". Your argument does not make any sense. We were strong enough to nearly make the Superbowl. So no, we weren't mentally weak.
"I'll put a bounty on it."
That got a great laugh out of me.
An incident never forgotten.
Urinatingtree better keep the same energy jokes as he did with the Astros until 2022
Dont like it's undeserved 😂@@bryson1482
Safe to say after Brees left it hasn’t been a breeze without him
It’s almost as if he carried them to relevance 🤔
Puns for good causes
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Sit down now, put a simmer on it. If I read any more bad puns I'm calling the police
Brees signing contract was the downfall of the saints. As much as I love Brees he wasn’t close the to championship at the end of his career and saints went into cap hell because of it
Me, a lifelong Saints fan: "Hey, we got a Utree video!"
Me, a lifelong Saints fan: "Oh we got a Utree video..."
I wanna be hopeful so badly. But I fear what we've really become is Jeff Fisher's Rams. Only worse, Dennis Allen wasn't even the HC of his glory days.
Come on man, have hope. Every Saints fan should at least be interested for this upcoming season. We have a sew offensive system. A great defense still. We should be better.
9-8 at best
What glory days? Fisher at least took the Titans to a Super Bowl as head coach. What the hell has Dennis Allen ever done as a head coach to warrant such optimism?
@baxatakbaxatak2014 well he's one of the best Defensive Coordinators, and those were generally good years.
@@maux7767 As a head coach. Not a DC.
Imagine how many whistle/flags moments will be in Sportsball this year with the hip drop tackle being illegal, Tree vids are gonna be an hour long
So, glad I’m done watching that soulless shitshow.
How they’re keeping Dennis Allen is mind boggling
Who else is gonna take that job?
@@forresttowns4995an NFL head coaching job? even for a bad team? anybody. shit, throw me out there
He’s fine as a defensive mind.
Everything else? *Not so much.*
@@forresttowns4995honestly we could’ve had Dan Campbell since he was the TE coach, but they chose freaking Dennis Allen of all people as the head coach…
@@Doll_ie kind of like us passing on Harbaugh and Bellichick for Raheem Morris. He may do well, he may not. Point is big name coaches were available and we didn't even look at them. It's like hiring Arthur Smith and drafting Desmond Ridder all over again.
This video is strange
First it was aging like milk
And then like fine wine
Friends: are you seriously watching new Urinatingtree videos when they come out.
Me: you can stop asking that question, ok. I’m going to be watching Urinatingtrees videos when they come out ok. So you don’t have to keep asking that.
you're fired
I read that in that fraud’s voice.
the culture is damn good
@@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734 same. It’s fun to imitate this supposed ‘defensive guru.’
I can't wait for that "This Week in Sportsball NFL Week 1" to pop up on the homepage.
And now Dennis Allen has been fired. This is aging like the finest wine in the world.
Honestly as a Saints fan, I don’t know what the hell to say. The Saints have potential to be a deadly force to be reckoned with and win games against certain teams you wouldn’t expect and then they die against teams they SHOULD DEFEAT. Every season we’re all left with “what ifs…”.
2010 - Defense, what’s that?
2011 - Same scenario
2012 - catastrophically the #1 worst defense in the league, punishment for bounty gate, no Sean Payton as he’s suspended, Drew Brees has to carry…somehow we went 7-9
2013 - #4 best defense, deadly offense, choked opportunities vs Seattle…
2014 - Defense dies, hard schedule
2015 - Defense dies again, Dennis comes in, maybe some hope…?
2016 - Hard schedule, signs of hope despite being 7-9…
2017 - Yay! Rising team…oh wait…Minneapolis…
2018 - We wanna kill the refs..
2019 - We wanna kill the refs, amazing story, die the first round…
2020 - Drew’s last season, we show the league Tom Brady is overrated despite having a super team, then the Saints decide to self sabotage and die…
2021 - Rebuilding team, nice 5-2 start-….oh no MORE INJURIES?!
2022 - hard schedule, injuries, Dennis Allen can’t coach…trash offensive coordinator..
2023 - Lots of talent, trash coaching, easy schedule and STILL RUINED EVERYTHING…THANKS DENNIS AND PETE…
I swear I hope this new OC they have will give us some hope….and we can have a competent offense for once…
I can have sympathy with Saints fans if most can admit bountygate was wrong and shameful. Could honestly then forgive.
2013 was a really good year for us but the Seahawks that year were on a different level.
I think that ''we are just one piece or one good year away from contending'' is really going to hurt them longterm. They will be at least okay in 2024 but what is the longterm view on this team? The roster has been on a slow decline the last couple of years. There is not really a future at QB and they will be too good to get one of the premium prospects in the next 2-3 years.
@@seanharrison6719 Then every team's fanbase needs to admit that it's wrong and shameful, cause spoiler alert: every team has a bountygate system. Shocker.
@@postl3 Show me the evidence for any other team, physical or written. Everyone has the presumption of innocence until there is evidence to convict.
As a Tampa fan the title pleases me. But knowing tree’s track record the saints will probably win the Super Bowl now.
Maybe in Madden.
Please no.
“Pekka Rinne is so good right now”
I genuinely hope this happens…especially since apparently the superbowl is gonna be hosted in New Orleans..
As long as they beat the Clownboys in week 2. I'm good
As a Vikings fan I should be reveling in NO's misery, but that whole "Next year is our year, we just need some tweaking!" is a such a familiar kind of hell that I can't help but sympathize.
The team that never did a complete rebuild. You get years, decades of regular season success but no championships.
@@donborvio And I would trade all of that regular season success for one damned Super Bowl ring. Hell, I'm at the point where I'd gladly take just one Super Bowl appearance in my lifetime.
Vikings a poverty franchise 😂🫵🏻
Us Vikes fans don't have much, but at least we own the saints 😂
@@EthanKlassen00you can say that but have nothing to show for it 😂
My Man Pissing Tree, I coached former Rams DB, Nickel Robey Coleman in HS. Def. Coordinator & DBs. We still teach that, when your beat for a TD in Man2Man, take P.I. Penalty. Better than 6pts. We called the "Panic Button". He & I both admit how bad the ref blew that call, & SHOULD have been Def P.I. I've also been a lifelong Bucs Fan from '76. U made a SUPERB Video about us, & Culverhouse. Keep up the great work.
2:34 And New Orleans was the real winner on that Super Bowl Sunday.
Yeah that was the first time I never watched a Super Bowl live and I have no regrets. 💅
@@Doll_ie LMFAO you Saints fans are pathetic. Never would've found the end zone vs that defense. Saints are and always will be chokers.
Tree posting football content? We have been truly blessed👍
GO BIG ORANGE!
DA as a Madden default coach is the best way to describe him lmao
Legit, as a Saints fan, I have no idea what to even think about this upcoming season other than it's going to be another year of frustration and falling short. Maybe all i can do is hope that at some point my Saints break out of this endless spiral and become a top contender again. That being said even if it is another frustrating season I'll cheer my team on. That goes for pretty much any team we cheer for. We gotta take the golden years with the mid tier and trash tier years. XD
Great Vid Tree
❤
As a Saints fan, one thing that haunts and angers me is that Dan Campbell, the Lions current HC could’ve been the Saints head coach considering he was their TE coach, let that sink in….
I don't think he would have succeeded as much with the Saints as he does in Detroit. I don't think the Siants have big culture problem like the Lions did a couple years ago. It's more of a FO philosophy and strategy problem with them still trying to hang on to that late contending years with Brees. Not accepting the fact that their contending years are over and that this team probably needs a hard rebuild
So? does anyone even know what Campbell _does_ besides angrily fail to complete sentences? Calling him "inspirational" is a great way to cover for not knowing anything. Johnathan Gannon will never be called inspirational for how he coaches, but his players were dousing him in Gatorade what, week 3 of last season?
Has anyone done that to Campbell yet? Far as I can tell he's All Image & bluster.
@@marcalexanderhenningDude, we're trying to fix the culture. That's why we hired Klint Kubiak, Andrew Janocko, John Benton, Keith Williams. Our offense should look a lot different from years past. People really should not be sleeping on us.
@@ChewsCarefullymight be the most retarded takes I’ve ever heard. The players on the lions are willing to die for Campbell and has brought the lions more success since like ever.
@@jcoolguy1548 I don’t think that culture is your biggest problem. It’s more the FO trying to hang on to your contending years instead if facing reality und tearing that shit down to rebuild.
Nobody is sleeping on you. You are playing in the worst division and your team is solid. You could win your division and win a playoff game. But when the NFC‘s big boys are coming it‘s over. That‘s the definition of mediocrity
Oh when the saints, go marching in, oh when the saints get the lions curse
Stop that. We're nothing like the Lions
At least the Saints have a Super Bowl win. The Lions haven't even appeared in one yet and the last time they won a title, there were just 12 teams in the NFL.
@@andrewpadaetz5549To bad their SB win is tainted with Bountygate
Pay up your debt for cheating to win the SB in 2009 by using bountygate
@@bryson1482 Oh my God here we go again lmao. Someone using bounty gate to cry about our super bowl win. We won. Get over it. It was over 15 years ago. Our offense was legitimate. What you gotta say about that?
New Tree and New Emp Lemon on the same day.
I'm so blessed.
Back five or six years ago, Emp was actually featured in a Sportsball episode.
Good editor and narrator
As a Saints fan, part of me feels like this could be the make or break year. Like standing at the edge of a cliff, if we play passable football and sneak into the playoffs we’ll back away from the depths of a rebuild for atleast another year. But if we struggle…I could see us fully ripping the bandaid off and going as deep into a fire sale as we possibly could. And it wouldn’t take much, I’m fully convinced that if we start out the year 1-3 or 0-4 then Allen gets canned and we elevate Kubiak to see what he’s got
WHO THE HELL IS #21 FOR THE COLTS AT :55 seconds. DUDE WAS JOGGING IN SLOW MOTION🤣🤣🤣
After years of being heartbroken every season in the playoffs, its kind of a relief to know up front we arent gonna have a good year
As a Saint’s fan, this was sad rhetoric but needs to be said. The Benson’s have relied too heavily on Mickey Loomis and it has been our best asset in the beginning, yet today has become our biggest liability. I wish he would move on and let someone else take the reins but I digress. I, again for the third year in a row, do not forecast a decent season. Great video Tree!
As a long time Saints fan, let me say THANK YOU for how you broke down the 2018 non-call game. As fans, we simply cannot talk about all the mistakes made in that game that cost them. There was a dropped TD that turned into a FG early. The fake punt shifted all the momentum to the Rams. A 10 point lead blown twice. Then after the non-call, all you had to do was stop them from driving. Typical Dennis Allen defense in the final 2 minutes prevented that.
Something went terribly wrong with that team at the end of the season. They were never the same again after the Dallas game. It was like the offense broke after that. They struggled offensively in all of their games after that. Pull the Panthers game where they couldn't even score 14 points, or the Steelers game where they needed several questionable calls to go their way to just barely beat that team. Even in the other playoff game, they were so underwhelming vs the Eagles. The non-call was just a convenient excuse to overlook all the other things that was going wrong for them in 2018. I don't think the offense would've woke up vs the Pats or Chiefs in that SB.
I have been counting the days for this since Drew Brees retired.
I will never forgive Sean Payton for running Michael Thomas into the ground to the point that his foot was grinded into beignet sugar.
Also, in hindsight, I’d say the real moment that killed the Saints was when they traded up for Marcus Davenport. The no-call was merely a symptom.
Should they have taken one of the players after Davenport?
@@fortynights1513I would have taken Derwin James, personally.
But honestly, the real cost of that trade was missing out on potentially getting AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, and DK Metcalf in the 2019 draft
@@fortynights1513 Lamar Jackson was available at the spot we took Davenport - hell if we stayed pat and not traded up, Jackson would've landed right in our laps
Andy Reid jumping Sean for Mahomes was bad luck.......but choosing Davenport over Lamar Jackson should never be forgiven
@@japaneseherculesVery true, but I’m sure they weren’t thinking much about the long term when they had the potential to win it all and they knew it.
More than “Beastquake”, Marques Colston’s failed lateral pass, and the “Minneapolis Miracle”?
Honestly Marques Colston’s lateral pass wasn’t even the real reason the Saints lost that game vs Seattle, Shayne Graham’s two missed field goals hurt like hell.
As a Saints fan, I have been waiting so long for this one.
I still cant believe theres a football game to be played tomorrow
6:27
"redzone offense"
Even when Carr was with the Raiders, getting touchdowns when inside the opposing 20 was always a difficult thing for Carr to get complete.
You ever see those old cartoons where the guy gets in his car and starts driving, but then the car starts to spaz out, cough and wheeze before deflating like a balloon, falling apart or just exploding? That's the Saints without Drew Brees.
As a Falcons fan I will never forgive you for the reverse jinx you are about to give the Saints
I doubt a Tree jinx will save em until they prove and can make it to either a conference championship or Super Bowl.
Let alone winning either one.
Watching the Saints now is like watching your father age as you grow up, it's a sad decline to see that he can't do anything he used to be able to.
You must be young huh? The Saints I grew up with were far worse than the ones today.
@@SphinX504 started watching them and football in 04
@@evtar816 at least you don't have any memories of the 3-13 seasons then. I'll take 9-8 any year but I agree it's tough after being blessed with Brees so long
@@SphinX504 at this point I'd rather have a 3-13 season so it'll force everyone to get their heads outta their asses
I had the sensation the Saints were going to lose to the Rams when the latter did a punt fake that the Saints did to them earlier that year and were totally caught off guard. The play calling was the real reason the Saints lost and it should never have gotten to that point where if you put yourself in a situation to lose, you will lose, unfortunately.
As a native who rooted for this team for many years before trading in the black and gold for red and gold, I can say that this is a franchise that does not know how to deal with long term success because it is not part of their history. They had good players and small successes but the office and coaches have made extremely terrible decisions, e.g. the Rickey Williams trade.
The Brees/Payton era was really an anomaly for a historically bad organization. Yet the Saints lost their heart and soul when Tom Benson died and Gayle, while not a meddler like Jerry Jones is simply not cut out to be an owner and make the necessary hires to make the Saints great. She does not care for the Saints and unfortunately it’s going to get worse when the leaders leave the team and they have nothing to rebuild with.
Mickey Loomis has long since passed his prime and should have left when Peyton did and the 2017 draft prolonged his stay much to the chagrin of the fans.
The saving grace of the team will either be that Benson sells the team, or fires Loomis and Allen and cleans house.
I hate being a Saints fan….. here after Sean blew us out on Drew Brees night. 2-5
Now if Tree would only cover the eternal state of existential agony that is the Arizona Cardinals. The Saints first played in 1967, with one NFL championship and fourteen postseason campaigns. The Cardinals were founded in 1920, have won two NFL championships and have just eleven postseasons under them. They have the worst w-l record of any legacy NFL team, and the longest championship drought of any North American professional sports team (77 years). Legend says that it can all be boiled down to cheapskate team ownership, having been owned by the same Bidwill family since 1933.
He already did … only a mockery vid of the franchise after the Rosen tenure
@@ceebee312 He needs to do a Century of Failure video. Something in depth.
As a Cards fan myself, I didn’t like his Cardinals video, because Wilks was absolutely bad, and I felt Tree was too soft on him. Watch the 2nd half of the Cardinals games, and that is absolutely a justification for a 1-season fire. Kliff, as much as don’t like him, did more in one game than he Wilks ever did as a head coach. And that team was not so bad in talent that they should have only won 3 games that year.
49ers win the Super Bowl last year if they fired Wilks. Talent they had on the defensive, they should have dominated everyone.
However, I really hope he does a century of failure video for us.
Just be sure to learn their history
Pottsville Maroons won the nfl title, played a game vs college all stars after an had their title vacated.. I feel the players of that team are cursing an haunting the Cardinals franchise ever since
Considering their decades of despair it explains alot
Maybe if Nfl gives Pottsville Maroons their title back, maybe the spirits wont linger around anymore??
@aceassn716 The Cardinals have had the majority of their success since moving to Arizona. While they have two NFL championships from their days in Chicago, they were mostly a terrible f**king team while playing there and in St Louis. In Chicago, they made the postseason only twice(*), and in the 29 seasons they played in St Louis, they had just one playoff appearance, and that was during the strike-marred 1982 season. Arizona has been better for them, or at least their current generation of ownership hasn't effed them over as much as the previous generations had.
*: They won the 1925 NFL Championship in a time when the champion was determined solely on their regular season w-l-t record, and it doesn't count as a "postseason."
As a Giants fan the 2013-16 years were like this. Then 2017 happened. The best thing the Saints can do is clean house and start fresh instead of trying to contend and mortgaging a future they don’t have. My Giants are still suffering for this and it’s been 8 years.
The giants have had success tho so stfu.
Not mentioned in the video:
"With the 11th pick in the 2017 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select Quarterback, Texas Tech, Patrick - "
"Whoa-oa not so fast"
As an avid Tree enjoyed, I gotta say. I’m glad he made one of these videos again, to me it’s pure Tree when he starts harassing a franchise down to their core ❤❤❤
2:40 The Falcons never recovered from 28-3, the Saints never recovered from that no-call, and the Panthers never recovered from Cam’s Super Bowl fumble. Meanwhile the Bucs are somehow the most successful of the bunch….
He didnt talk about the d lines and o lines taking a huge stepback last year, when the have been top 10 in both rooms for the past 3-5 years
The problem is that rebuilding isn’t a guarantee to success. For every Texans there’s a Jacksonville. The way out for the Saints is drafting. Always has been. They need to accrue more picks.
First step should be to clean the house and bring in a new HC and GM
@@marcalexanderhenning Loomis ain’t ever getting fired. He’ll leave when he’s good and ready.
Man this march is taking forever, it's almost like we are in purgatory.
The last time I was this early OBJ was still fighting kicking nets
LOL on the Schwarber boom stick for the Beast Mode stiff arm on Tracy Porter (yes, the same Tracy Porter who got the Favre pick and then a pick 6 in the Super Bowl).
A couple thoughts from a dedicated, miserable and at least moderately self aware Saints fan:
1) The Saints are absolutely screwed long term without a rebuild, and the only way they find any short term success is with a lot of luck and a coaching overhaul, so agreed on all points in that regard.
2) Payton is an underrated part of why the Saints struggled the last few years with Brees - he never really adapted well to Brees' decline, and he got pretty addicted to trickery and outsmarting both the opponent and himself at the end of his time. He still gets a massive chunk of the credit for the ring, and he's a legend because of it, but if him leaving made the Saints worse, it's only because of Allen being such a downgrade over pretty much any other option.
3) You're definitely right about the Watson thing - I was terrified they were going to go through with that, and I was already bracing for the arguments about how much a woman owning the team changed the optics/morals of that deal. Probably the biggest bullet I've ever seen us dodge, and we didn't even do it on purpose.
4) This one's self indulgent, but can we stop the whole "this screw job doesn't let you off the hook for *insert play that wouldn't have happened/mattered without said screw job*" talking point? Not just for 2019, and not just for the Saints, but in general. It's not interesting nuance, it's just wasted breath over the least unique part of an important moment. Every football team makes plenty of mistakes every game, and I mean every single one, but whether it's the Saints in 2019 or the Lions all the goddamn time or any of the other controversial calls we fight over, those events are far more significant than any one mistake a team makes, if not in the game itself, then for the NFL as a whole.
Fing command and conquer sound effects... Classic!!!🎉
I'm the biggest Carr supporter. I have never lost faith in him in his entire career. After watching him with the Raiders and then Josh McDaniels messing it all up, I just wanted Carr to light up the league. I still want him to do it and he has the opportunity. I just want him to win a Superbowl and I'll be happy.
Agreed, nobody outside of Raider fans really understand the effort and heart he gave to keep us afloat.
I'm with you on the fact that I would love it if he turned it around and showed people he's more than what they think he is. I do think our fanbase (Saints) gave him too much hell last season and blamed him a lot because it's the easy thing to blame the QB even if our flaws (very clearly I think) run much deeper than how he has performed. He got beat up quite badly behind that O line, played hurt and everything...dude really showed grit and I admire and respect that. Do I think we should have signed him to that contract? No. But that doesn't mean that he is the one who should be taking that much criticism. Another good example: ahead of the draft, I kept seeing people wanting us to take this or that player in the first round, for example Brock Bowers, examples that really (to me) showed delusions abouut where this team is at and what it needs right now, and I kept telling everyone: Whether you like it or not, Derek Carr will be QB1 next season, and if we want any chance of making anyhting work with him we have to bolster the O line, or he'll just keep getting folded like a lawn chair and people will blame him and want his head on a spike by week 5 or so.
Carr is garbage, and I wish my team wasn't stuck with him. You can have him back.
Only Gayle Benson and Mickey Loomis think Dennis Allen is a legitimate head coach. The fact that he still has his job is inexcusable.
Gayle Benson pays zero attention to either of her teams unless there's an opportunity to look good for cameras. Loomis and Allen would've both been long gone years ago if Tom were still here.
@@brent592 if Tom was still here, he would have tried to move the team to San Antonio and don't deny it.
@@1991petrolhead Interesting theory but unfortunately that wouldn't happen.
@brent592 the only reason it didn't happen the first time was Katrina, he was trying to move the team for a long time in the 90's, I remember that vividly, and I don't even remember what I was doing in 9/11, and I was 10.
Hey man, give DA and Mickey credit. They hired new offensive guys and are instilling a new system. We've been having the same system for 17 years. At least we're trying something new.
Saints now lost seven straight after that Panthers debacle.
Edit: and got rid of Dennis Allen.
I'm from the UK, over here we have games one one channel (Thursday Night, A 1pm EST ko, a 4pm EST ko, SNF and MNF plus Redazone). All those potential games and Saints were only ever on when nobody else was (which was only 3 times iirc). If they had to choose which game to carry, the 2023 Saints weren't it.
To think not long ago, this team was Tom Brady's true kryptonite not named the Giants in the Super Bowl.
Yeah and to think the Saints could’ve won the super bowl in 2020 but self sabotaged themselves yet again…Saints could’ve had 3 Super Bowl wins…
@Doll_ie shit happens just look at how many times the defense for the packers crumbled
And Miami at home believe it or not. I can say Tim hated to play in Miami. He had a losing record there. Only team in the AFC East to beat Tom at least once a year lol
@@dame3323as a pats fans those Miami games were ALWAYS headaches. No matter how big we blew them out in Gillette
@@Doll_ie😂imaginary super bowls when you cant accept real losses
This is why I'm not quite as bummed about being a Panthers fan. Yeah, we're bad and rebuilding, but we at least FINALLY have a direction for the first time under Tepper. We aren't stuck in the middle (with you). Whether or not that direction gets us anywhere is another question, but at least we've picked a lane.
Same
You might be the only 2 Panthers fans that have hope under Tepper 🤣🤣🤣
Oh, I'd love to be in that number. When the Saints march straight to Hell.
As a Saints fan myself who bleeds black and gold, most of your points in this video are pretty spot on. It baffles me that we've come so close to getting back to the super bowl since the 09 season, multiple times mind you, but can't get over that hump. And this season is looking like yet another question mark despite the promising additions made in the offseason and Kamara coming back.
As a saints fan who went to the 2019 nfc championship, my only regret was missing bill Vinovichs head with the glass bottle I threw. (I’m still salty)
Somehow Saints downfall through Hell is a sort of punishment by been wasted Drew Brees' career
Who’s back after Dennis Allen got fired mid season
As a Seahawks fan, thanks for the Beast Quake. There is always time for the Beast Quake.
They just lost to the Panthers now 7 straight loss
I need the song that plays during the Jameis Winston segment it's catchy asf
Dennis Allen has been fired!!!! Rejoice in this fabulous news
The saints should’ve been did a rebuild years ago and traded away some players who were on big money contracts to accumulate some draft capital.
Damn you got no confidence in Spencer Rattler. I hope he has a good season and gets to start games
It's way too early for that, and his leadership skills are still questionable.
I can’t believe I didn’t see this video sooner. As a Saints fan, the only thing I have going for me rn is hope that our new OC will revolutionize Carr and get our offense back to its old swagger. It’s delusional but it’s all I have rn
Saints are stuck in long term sports hell. Not good enough to make a deep playoff run, not bad enough to get top draft picks, and a declining roster that is too expensive to move
10:12 "Maybe I'll put a bounty on it." Looool
Quite a bounty of a video we have here
Next season (just suffer for this one) is probably a good opportunity for a QB tank season, but knowing the saints theyll just kick their cap problem down the road
This is similar to how the bills were in peak drought years. 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, maybe 6-10. Never good enough for the playoffs, never bad enough for a great pick.
Bulls made the SB four times in a row and lost every time. I will never feel bad for the bills
@@imanoldurango8213 the bills or the bulls? And what does that have to do with being stuck in mediocre purgatory?
As a Saints fan...we had this roast coming! Cap hell is a nightmare! We need to roll out the tanks and stock up on draft picks
This is great
A lot of the redzone woes were on playcalling, I won't deny that, but as a Raiders fan, Carr was DREADFUL in the redzone for multiple seasons before we moved on from him. 2022 he was statistically the worst QB in the redzone out of all starters. Some of that can be put down to McDaniels, sure, but it's been an issue with Carr at 2 different teams now, some blame has to fall on him.
Plus to add, I'm not against rebuilding but it's not that simple, there's teams that are still rebuilding but stuck in worse purgatory like the Bears, Giants, Raiders, Cardinals, Jaguars, Jets and Panthers. The Saints are good, average at best but not elite but I would say rebuild isn't the answer for us, we need a better coach like Mike Vrabel or Brian Flores.
I also want to say I don't hate Dennis Allen, he is the reason why our defense is good and has been consistently good since 2017. He's a good defensive-minded coach but he isn't head coach material and he doesn't have the leadership.
@@KryptoKai72yeah keep in mind we could’ve had Dan Campbell as our coach…he was the TE coach…
Hopefully this new OC we got can help us..
@@Doll_ie I agree that we could've had Dan Campbell as our HC
Also to add, I wouldn't have confidence and faith if Carmichael was still our OC so I'm glad Klint Kubiak is our OC because again I'm confident and excited to see what he brings.
As a saints fan seeing that UTree made a video about the Saints makes me sad because we’ve hit rock bottom.
Did Tree just call Brees “arguably” the Saints best player ever? Who the hell is even close to Brees in the Saints history?
Rickey Jackson, Sam Mills, Willie Roaf, Deuce McAllister, Joe Horn.
@@joshuaguste6883Good players, even a couple Hall of Famers.
But if your team has a Hall of Fame quarterback in the last 40 or 50 years, that might be the best player by consensus.
How many NFL records did they set? Are they paragon of their position and classy play?
@@joshuaguste6883none of those guys can hold a candle to Drew Brees
@@wesleyhunt7599I actually agree with your take
NONE OF THESE PLAYERS are classy or good men off the field including Drew Brees WHO COVERED THIS crap up
They won A RIGGED TITLE through cheating like the jets did in super bowl 3
Honestly they deserve 20 years of dumpster diving paper bag wearing and going back to the AINTS
There literally the Astros of the MLB where everyone should hate that franchise
I've been missing you, Tree! So looking forward to your take on the NFL season.
2:00 NFL was *desperate* to have their New England VS Los Angeles Super Bowl, and you will never convince me otherwise.
I agree. We were robbed of a Brady/Brees matchup in the Super Bowl
Look at Tree digging into the Skitchin' soundtrack tho!
So anyone else looking forward to the new "Days of our Steelers" video after today's events with the Steelers?
Or as I like to call it “Where’s my liquor?”
What happened?
tree this is a great video as a saints fan, i do have hope and wish you would’ve put some spotlight on spencer rattler his last season at south carolina was solid and he seems to have matured a lot
Here after the Saints lost 7 in a row after starting the season 2-0 😂😂😂
Jesus Christ it never ends 🤣
UPDATE: They done fired Dennis Allen and traded Marshawn Lattimore to the Commanders 😂
In 2016 the Raiders forgot to pick up Carr insurance.
Hello darkness my old friend
Tree you always use the best obscure Genesis game music. Skitchin was a good choice
I feel like major sports media doesn’t talk about the saints because they’re the definition of mediocre.
Great content! Well researched and snappy presentation. Way better than Grossi/Perna!
I just revisited this video AFTER the Saints beat the Cowboys.😂
Yeah I wouldn’t check Tree’s Twitter if I were you
Great video on the Saints. The only nitpicks is that this year they have started to address kicking the can down the road with the cap. They didn’t overextend and they cut players that weren’t worth the price, like Andreas Peat. We will see how it goes, and the CJ trade was more from Allen pulling rank and “disciplining” bad locker room culture.
The Saints to me have 0 blame but to themselves for that Rams game
absolutely no reason when you had 5
5 RZ trips and come out with 20 pts.... you absolutely blew it
IM TALKING TO YOU CAM JORDAN YOU WHINY A$$
I remember that Championship Game Sunday in January of 2019. The Patriots beat the Chiefs in overtime after winning the coin toss. All the headlines wete about how the overtime rule is unfair and the team that wins the coin toss automatically wins the game. I simply raised my hand and said Why didn't the Saints win then?
Carr is the temu version of Alex Smith
😂😂 spot on
Been a Saints fan since 1970. Suffering? This is nothing. 😂
Well this one aged well.
It did indeed
The SSB sound effect on the beast quake 😂😂😂😂