Let's talk a bit about politics in music (specifically metal), and how it's funny to say politics don't belong in music with a bit of history and a bit of the psychology behind it. What're your opinions of this?! Be sure to let me know down below!!!!!!! But for now, cheers, rock on, stay heavy and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on when you see this!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 Join The Metal Tempest Discord server if you'd like to! discord.gg/aA6BU83vRP
thing thats cool about war pigs is that it doesn't specifically mention politics while with some metal it just sounds like it was made by some activist
Rock and metal music was born out of taking uncomfortable topics to the front, and for that we got people telling us that "politics don't belong in this or that" only because they're that much more afraid of hearing the truth than you are
When people say they hate politics what they mean is they hate politics they dont agree with or understand. Politics is anout the rules and laws the gorvern socety so everyone's everday life is affected by it, whether they like it or not.
i am a christian but I love and will continue to listen to Satanic Death metal and black metal bands (Deathspell Omega, Dissection, Deicide, Immolation etc…) whether or not they hate christianity or believe in Satanism. Then way to me i dont HAVE to agree with someone’s views on things to just enjoy their art. I am a progressive leftist and i will continue to listen to Classic Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum, Death in June, Peste Noire, I HATE their views on the world but I also think that they are musically good. I dont think that just because you listen to a controversial or terrible means you endorse their actions or support their ideology. I just think thats a narrow minded way to view art and people.
It's always right-wing or above-it-all cowardly centrist types who get mad about politics in music. What they mean is, "Stop reminding me that I'm privileged enough to not have to care about politics. I don't want to have to feel guilt or consider my place in the world." People like that are an embarrassment, and I have no respect for their opinions.
Very interesting topic indeed. People think politics and they instantly assume modern culture war or contemporary politics, when in reality politics encompasses A LOT more than that. Even the more mundane things could be seen as political. Hence why people ignore politics of 80s thrash for example, they are just focusing on the present. I'm going to go on a limb, but I see a lot of people get absolutely furious when someone claims that every art is political and I never understood why such a statement is seen as controversial. Like you said, art is a form of expression and politics can shape some factors like your environment. Hell even not choosing to add politics to your art, is already a political statement on itself, as silly as it is. Even with that in mind, it is a case to case basis for the individual like you said. I don't care about politics in metal, but to deny their importance in the genre is just false and ridiculous to me. Great video like always.
True. Politics is not just which party you vote for. Politics means your opinions. Your worldview. Your moral compass. That's what most people don't understand.
Ok fuck it, you get another comment for engagement. I love talking about this and trying to get my point across. Let’s extrapolate on Judas Priest. Modern Priest is amazing, absolutely fiery and incredible for a band that is half a fucking century old. I love modern Priest, but it just doesn’t hit the same way classic Priest does. When Rob Halford wasn’t writing songs like Sinner, or Painkiller, songs about larger-than-life entities, a LOT of his lyrics put out there how young, lonely and *horny* Halford was back then. It was very on-it’s-sleeve. But he was obviously writing around his orientation because the PMRC alone would have tried to eviscerate the band even harder than they already were if Rob was OPENLY gay. So open secret it was, until 1997. So instead, he created these love songs, a large amount of fucking love songs, that everyone can connect with regardless of gender and orientation! would they be as effective at doing specifically that without the obnoxious anti-gay stigma that stank up the 1980s? We will never know. But it is very much why classic Priest in particular is incredibly near and dear to my heart.
Absolutely love this comment, thank you so much! And that's so fucking true--even the silliest of things could seem like they have not much meaning, and yet mean SO much in retrospect. Priest is great to dive into for that reason and Rob as a figure in general!
Music itself has always been political. If you go back far enough, you'll find that the blues started off in the 1860s during the civil war as slave rebellion music.
Listening to old men talk about the legalisation of marijuana: Boring, overdone, should have been done years ago Listening to stoner metal bands: YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Y’all. Art is inherently political. It does not matter WHAT the medium is. If it is made by human hands, colored by human experience, for better and for worse, it is ALWAYS political. You cannot have politics without humanity. When you consume art, you are also consuming the artist’s political bias, whether implicitly or explicitly. Separating art from its creator CAN go somewhere, because art inherently distorts from creator to consumer due to, y’know, unique life experience, but it is ultimately limited. It is up to the consumer to either favor preferable political biases (the safe choice) OR consume what you want and think critically about what it’s trying to tell you (risky! consumes time and effort!). Because what it’s trying to tell you might also tell you a lot about yourself, for better and worse. I have marinated with this thought process a LONG time this year 🖤
I will happily give kind of a wacky example of how art’s meaning can distort from the creator intent to the audience. One of my favorite Acid Bath songs is Scream of the Butterfly. It is not very metal at all, compared to the rest of the album, a sort of breather track. Except the lyrics very much depict two Bonnie-and-Clyde style heroin addicts on the run. But I was OBSESSED with this song for a long time because something about the sheer melancholy and apathetic detachedness of the song resonated with my life experiences as a transgender individual. I spun this song constantly for several days and nights as a direct result because it scratched that highly specific itch in open spite of the fact that 20% of the lyrics did not gel with my interpretation whatsoever that is genuinely the beauty of life and art, imo
I hate all of these politics in my music nowadays. You can't escape them!!! Anyway, I'm gonna go listen to REAL not woke music like One by Metallica, a REAL metal band!
There was a viral Instagram clip of Bryan Garris of Knocked Loose introducing Oblivion’s Peak (A song about his friend suffering through anti-LGBT hate crime) by saying “This song is for the LGBTQIA!” I couldn’t believe the top comments under the video, calling them “wOkE” and saying things like “I am no longer a fan of this band” and more to that extent and in massive numbers. Sure there were some defending but it wasn’t nearly as prominent. It’s so frustrating the amount of anti-LGBTQ rhetoric that is still so prevalent, and in a scene of music that is SUPPOSED to be a home for the marginalized. After this, a song like Motionless in White’s Slaughterhouse and Stray From the Path’s work are SO cathartic for me. We need more bands to just speak out like that against the bigotry in the scene and just straight up tell people that we don’t want them if they’re gonna be hateful or ignorant of differences.
It’s sad how people of a certain way of thinking have taken a word that was originally Black slang for being aware of the bigger problems of systemic racism and stuff like that, and twisted its meaning to fit their beliefs.
i got you. still, people have their minds and views. people who are against LGBT or wokism or whatever seem to be marginalised by woke and LGBT community as well. music is freedom and just because you dont agree with something doesnt mean youre a bad, hateful person. there are many songs with different meanings, it doesnt shock me that many KL fans felt this way when he said what he said - it was pretty straightforward and could be said in many different ways, ways everyone would agree with. i cant help to get this feeling a lot of artist are not genuine with that and say it in fear of being cancelled (im not saying KL did that though) LGBT community appears to many as a very toxic community and i cant blame them. personally im against hate, you can be whatever you are but you need to accept that some people might not like it, and they have a right to say it loud as much as the others
@prepthenun You are not marginalized by being a hateful bigot. Stop being homophobic, transphobic, and complete trash, and you won't be treated that way. Also, no one needs to accept that people don't like their existence. That's b.s. Go crawl back under your rock.
Regarding the last sentence of your middle paragraph, there's a simple answer for this; LGBT activists became insufferable and treated support like it's an obligation. They started advocating for ridiculous things like getting kids involved in their lifestyle and in transgenderism, making up genders and pronouns that don't exist and none of which they can even coherently explain. But we're supposed to celebrate and accept this because...reasons? Progressive activists specifically seem to have this problem where they are simply incapable of admitting that they're ever wrong, or going too far. They suffer from this mentality where they think everyone and everything MUST unconditionally accept and agree to all LGBT terms and conditions top to bottom without question. When you get into metal you recognize that it's a lifestyle, a music scene, and a culture that is simply not for everyone. It is, and and always has been about embracing your individuality and not begging society, corporations, and government agencies to accept you. LGBT activists are the complete opposite. They do not get how niches work, or even aware that they even are a niche. So ask yourself why has society been losing interest in supporting them? Their activism became toxic and a lot of their community became a cesspool of unlikeable, entitled activists who think the world revolves around them. The left has done an awful job at representing them in a way that inspires people to support them, and it's on the LGBT community for doing this to themselves, and that's a harsh reality a lot of them are going to struggle coming to terms with. Understand this is less about my personal opinion, and more about the observations I've been making.
Metal has always contained political lyrics, ever since Black Sabbath wrote War Pigs. Thrash metal and grindcore has a huge political backbone to rebel against the system and the government. Usually people who say that are hypocrites who are just saying that because they disagree with said views. At the end of the day, metal will always contain political lyrics and it’s up to the listener to choose what they want to listen to.
Love both my political hip hop and political metal! Political beliefs are a common part of the human experience, artists of all stripes and backgrounds will inevitably create around what makes them passionate and politics is a topic that evokes that sort of energy for a lot of people. That being said, I understand if someone identifying as apolitical were to avoid those acts or ignore the political side of them. As long as they don't go around saying that the music shouldn't exist, we chillin.
People who say "politics don't belong in music" usually only say that when it doesn't fit their politics but will turn around and be Tom MacDonald Stans.
Good takes as always, I personally stray away from overtly political bands because I prefer when a songs lyrics are more referential and don't explicitly tell the listener everything, which is something most political bands don't really do.
That's super true. I think it sometimes is just, better to have an interpretative piece than something that is SO in your face--unless it's a good point to put in people's face. Thanks for watching!
I think that people are using their art to express themselves and their thoughts. Thrash metal, with influences of punk music, is definitely political. And they keep that anger in the music. They say "fuck war and the political figures" Grindcore has also been known for political lyrics. And I love it. Because there's humor while still letting the listener know "hey i don't like politics or x political beliefs" I will say its gotten a bit out of here with some bands constantly pushing politics out there, whilst some genres are dry in the area. I'd love a Grindcore album about how Trump sucks but while having the humor
The world was introduced to metal by paranoid, sure the self titled album exists but paranoid is what introduced the world to sabbath and metal and the first track is war pigs
the best metal is political. whats the matter dont like the reality check or critical thinnking??? check out hypocrisy or megadeth....mostly poliotical and is better than all that new shit
I don’t mind my music being a little bit political. After all, I am into some RABM bands that are more on the anarchist side, like the (sadly defunct) Dawn Ray’d and Bull of Apis Bull of Bronze.
James Hetfield: "I hate politics. I don't want to talk about politics. It's not important to me. Politics and religion are things that separate people." The SAME James Hetfield: *writes Master of Puppets, Disposable Heroes, Creeping Death, Metal Milita, Don't Tread on Me, Fight Fire With Fire, Leper Messiah" I could literally go on.....
I'm the same way. With me, I want songs about issues, not about the left or right. Not endorsing or degrading this politition or that politition or this er that party.
@@prettynpetty8342 oh btw, there’s a picture of James Hetfield out there doing the Nazi salute, though it may be jokingly because he’s also using a finger to imitate hitlers wiener stache in this pic I’m talking about
Politics in music is fine. Rock your message. However, one of the great things about Power Metal is that they're too busy singing about swords, dragons, & friggin unicorns to be concerned about life's issues. 🤘🐲🦄🤘
I think for bands like Rage Against The Machine and System of a Down, it does work because they are well versed in politics. My issue is when you get stuff like Madonna’s “American Life” or Justin Timberlake’s “Supplies” or Limp Bizkit’s “The Unquestionable Truth”, where they stick out like sore thumbs.
“Politics don’t belong in metal” Bro I am not listening to a fucking Burzum, knowing the fact that Varg has his own VK group where he discusses how he wants to destroy Ukrainian nation.
Christianity+metal????.... This I have to hear, Please reply below of some kickass Christian Metal bands that I should at least check out. I'll have an open mind....
Inherently it is always going to have politics in it, that's fine. One can just actively choose to ignore that. Like I absolutely love grindcore. I listen to tons of bands that apparently have politics in their lyrics. I don't care. I don't read it. I don't know what they're even saying. It doesn't matter to me. it's a bunch of screaming with blast Beats and that's all I signed up for. I won't go out of my way to say you can't sing about this or that. Because I don't want someone dictating to me how I should create my own music. Nothing I've done has been political and that's my choice.
People:you should keep politics out of music Me:play bands like panopticon feminazgul dawn rayd bad religion system of a down dissection knocked loose kendrick lamar run the jewels zeal and ardor gojira black sabbath sepultura rage against the machine minenwerfer kanonenfieber the chicks adeem the artist willi Carlisle cancer christ🏳️⚧️🌈🏳️🌈🎸🎹🎻🪕🎶🎵🪗🎷🎺
Music is political as any art. But there is SOAD, whose ideas I find childish aka "we have to be good. Don't be bad". Not to say calling Armenian occupants of Azerbaijan territory, innocent victims of Azerbaijan, just because you are Armenian is kinda bad. There are good sounding songs though. Then there is KMFDM. I don't like their criticism of Capitalism and the US specifically. Like any other song is about criticising modern society , especially American. But at least they are not preachy like SOAD, ironic and funny. But then is there any band that praise society? Probably folk bands including folk metal
😏As a music fan. I usually don't mind if artists/bands wanna have political content in their songs. As long their music is still good, and fun. But to say that politics don't belong in music, films, and video games is very silly, because those types of mediums are considered to be art. So, therefore, people have every right to incorporate whatever they want into their product. Now, if you don't like the song or the film being political. Just simply don't buy their product, because they didn't make their product exclusively for people like yourself. They made these products exclusively for themselves. And, also the people who wanna complain about politics being injected into music, films, and etc are just the fringe types, because not everybody who isn't into politics usually don't care about politics being injected into certain fields of entertainment.
I understand and agree with many of your points, but I think the video fails to discuss one very important aspect, namely that of financial support. In my opinion it is important to ask ourselves who or what ideas my money goes to finance. For example, I would hate to know that my money is going to support someone who will then use it to oppress ethnic minorities. I also listen to musicians with different ideas from mine, but in extreme cases such as that of declared fascists, I don't buy their merch and I try not to recommend the band to anyone who might pay for their music.
This topic is why i listen to Primus. Even the few political songs they have don’t get your mind thinking about politics. When was the last time you listened to “Too Many Puppies” for the message rather than headbanging to the heaviest funk metal song ever?
"...if u buy some sort of merch from an artist with questionable views..." Uhm, yeah I think that's where u actually financially support an artist if u ask me. If I see someone wearing NSBM merch I don't automatically think "ugh, neonazi!" but by wearing that merch u at least tolerate it or don't think the lyrical content is not such a big deal.
I definitely get where you're coming from. I think it depends on if you're purchasing via label or artist. I'd agree direct support can't be underestimated but I've known people who buy merchandise from bands they very much dislike the message of !
@@TheMetalTempestYT I gotta say it's a personal bias here though, I mean NSBM seems to me like a genre of music that wants me dead... me being Jewish and all. But yeah for me it;s very difficult to wrap my head around the fact that u even wish to have a band logo like that on display. It's just something I may have to adjust to.
my thoughts exactly, listening to music is one thing (i'll still side eye people but whatever) but when you start giving literal nazis money thats when the line has absolutely been crossed
Exactly. By wearing that shirt, you acknowledge the existence of those bands and are basically saying “yup, I’m alright with them.” Even if you don’t agree with what they say. Not exactly buddy-buddy, but I know which side of the fence you’re on.
Politics has become more and more iniquitous as time as gone on. You can't escape it and people parroting the message when people want to just relax and hear good music is why people say this.
Politics shouldn't be in Metal unless it's about extreme shit that has happened in history/intent to happen in the modern era/dystopian future. If it's about a utopian paradise then keep it in Punk or Psychedelic hippies music.
Napalm Death be like8:15 THAAAANK YOU. more people need to hear this. i've lost good friends because this. one thing. just one thing inconveniences them and they go completely opposed. One of my friends who helped me get information for my transistion who was also trans went full alt-right neo nazi. they would attack other trans people verbally and were constantly telling me that neo nazis would save us all. All because they got kicked out of their house for being trans. wore being considered an honorary aryan as a badge of pride and honor. thats the worst case scenario. it makes no sense to me that people have so little patience that they deem it necessary to be out right adversaries just because they couldn't see someone within the same spectrum as what they consider normal.
Let's talk a bit about politics in music (specifically metal), and how it's funny to say politics don't belong in music with a bit of history and a bit of the psychology behind it. What're your opinions of this?! Be sure to let me know down below!!!!!!! But for now, cheers, rock on, stay heavy and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on when you see this!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
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good topic mate , and well done ,
"pOlItIcS dOnT bElOnG iN mEtAl"
*is actively listening to War Pigs by Black Sabbath*
LETS GOOOOO
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Ayyyy, I said the same thing! Nice one homie! 🤘
Okay? That does not make one's argument irrelevant.
thing thats cool about war pigs is that it doesn't specifically mention politics while with some metal it just sounds like it was made by some activist
i hate politics in music!! 😡😡 time to listen to my favorite bands (system of a down, rage against the machine, megadeth, etc..)
LOL
Rock and metal music was born out of taking uncomfortable topics to the front, and for that we got people telling us that "politics don't belong in this or that" only because they're that much more afraid of hearing the truth than you are
I love that first line--definitely gonna pocket that one; fully agree with that! This is all so true
Soad. Enough said
Rage Against The Machine
@@DarkenedX08 them too
Dying Fetus
Fuck, Black Sabbath. War pigs, children of the grave, into the void. it’s in the core of the genre.
Aerials~ In the sky~ LIFE LIKE A WATERFALL~ WE DRINK FROM THE RIVER THEN WE TURN AROUND AND PUT UP A WAAAL~
The best type of clickbait: the video where you think the video's gonna be utter bullshit before you watch the video
I always love to title shit the dumb generalizations people make about metal LMAO
I was very ready to dislike the video 👌
When people say they hate politics what they mean is they hate politics they dont agree with or understand. Politics is anout the rules and laws the gorvern socety so everyone's everday life is affected by it, whether they like it or not.
Only certain types of right-wingers will say something like that.
i am a christian but I love and will continue to listen to Satanic Death metal and black metal bands (Deathspell Omega, Dissection, Deicide, Immolation etc…) whether or not they hate christianity or believe in Satanism. Then way to me i dont HAVE to agree with someone’s views on things to just enjoy their art. I am a progressive leftist and i will continue to listen to Classic Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum, Death in June, Peste Noire, I HATE their views on the world but I also think that they are musically good. I dont think that just because you listen to a controversial or terrible means you endorse their actions or support their ideology. I just think thats a narrow minded way to view art and people.
Satan is a Christian creation. Everything I know about the devil I learned from the bible.
Surprise surprise, another BASED take from Jay 💥
Metal was literally created by a band of hippies
Correct!
It's always right-wing or above-it-all cowardly centrist types who get mad about politics in music. What they mean is, "Stop reminding me that I'm privileged enough to not have to care about politics. I don't want to have to feel guilt or consider my place in the world." People like that are an embarrassment, and I have no respect for their opinions.
Left winger do the same thing too. And being a centrist means you are not being a partisan hack.
Very interesting topic indeed. People think politics and they instantly assume modern culture war or contemporary politics, when in reality politics encompasses A LOT more than that. Even the more mundane things could be seen as political. Hence why people ignore politics of 80s thrash for example, they are just focusing on the present.
I'm going to go on a limb, but I see a lot of people get absolutely furious when someone claims that every art is political and I never understood why such a statement is seen as controversial. Like you said, art is a form of expression and politics can shape some factors like your environment. Hell even not choosing to add politics to your art, is already a political statement on itself, as silly as it is.
Even with that in mind, it is a case to case basis for the individual like you said. I don't care about politics in metal, but to deny their importance in the genre is just false and ridiculous to me.
Great video like always.
True. Politics is not just which party you vote for. Politics means your opinions. Your worldview. Your moral compass. That's what most people don't understand.
Ok fuck it, you get another comment for engagement. I love talking about this and trying to get my point across.
Let’s extrapolate on Judas Priest. Modern Priest is amazing, absolutely fiery and incredible for a band that is half a fucking century old. I love modern Priest, but it just doesn’t hit the same way classic Priest does.
When Rob Halford wasn’t writing songs like Sinner, or Painkiller, songs about larger-than-life entities, a LOT of his lyrics put out there how young, lonely and *horny* Halford was back then. It was very on-it’s-sleeve.
But he was obviously writing around his orientation because the PMRC alone would have tried to eviscerate the band even harder than they already were if Rob was OPENLY gay. So open secret it was, until 1997.
So instead, he created these love songs, a large amount of fucking love songs, that everyone can connect with regardless of gender and orientation! would they be as effective at doing specifically that without the obnoxious anti-gay stigma that stank up the 1980s? We will never know.
But it is very much why classic Priest in particular is incredibly near and dear to my heart.
Absolutely love this comment, thank you so much! And that's so fucking true--even the silliest of things could seem like they have not much meaning, and yet mean SO much in retrospect. Priest is great to dive into for that reason and Rob as a figure in general!
You should be free to say whatever you want and I should be free to not give a shit about what you have to say.
facts! This should be the answer!
Not to get political, but pineapple should not be on pizza
I’m voting you for President
But ranch on pizza 💯
The definitely should be on pizza in some cases
agreed but I will take double anchovies !!!
That's something we can all agree on
Music itself has always been political. If you go back far enough, you'll find that the blues started off in the 1860s during the civil war as slave rebellion music.
Listening to old men talk about the legalisation of marijuana: Boring, overdone, should have been done years ago
Listening to stoner metal bands: YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Y’all. Art is inherently political. It does not matter WHAT the medium is. If it is made by human hands, colored by human experience, for better and for worse, it is ALWAYS political. You cannot have politics without humanity.
When you consume art, you are also consuming the artist’s political bias, whether implicitly or explicitly.
Separating art from its creator CAN go somewhere, because art inherently distorts from creator to consumer due to, y’know, unique life experience, but it is ultimately limited. It is up to the consumer to either favor preferable political biases (the safe choice) OR consume what you want and think critically about what it’s trying to tell you (risky! consumes time and effort!). Because what it’s trying to tell you might also tell you a lot about yourself, for better and worse.
I have marinated with this thought process a LONG time this year 🖤
Exactly! Political is subjective and truly all music and art is at its core, even if not outright!
I will happily give kind of a wacky example of how art’s meaning can distort from the creator intent to the audience.
One of my favorite Acid Bath songs is Scream of the Butterfly. It is not very metal at all, compared to the rest of the album, a sort of breather track. Except the lyrics very much depict two Bonnie-and-Clyde style heroin addicts on the run.
But I was OBSESSED with this song for a long time because something about the sheer melancholy and apathetic detachedness of the song resonated with my life experiences as a transgender individual. I spun this song constantly for several days and nights as a direct result because it scratched that highly specific itch in open spite of the fact that 20% of the lyrics did not gel with my interpretation whatsoever
that is genuinely the beauty of life and art, imo
@@flyingbodysymphonywell said! That's a very moving example ❤
I hate all of these politics in my music nowadays. You can't escape them!!! Anyway, I'm gonna go listen to REAL not woke music like One by Metallica, a REAL metal band!
It's literally part of metal's history, ever since the '70s.
Black Sabbath - War Pigs. 'Nuff said about that issue. OG politics.
I like politics in music ngl (if i agree with it, if i dont agree i dont oay attention to the lyrics)
That's how I feel haha
There was a viral Instagram clip of Bryan Garris of Knocked Loose introducing Oblivion’s Peak (A song about his friend suffering through anti-LGBT hate crime) by saying “This song is for the LGBTQIA!”
I couldn’t believe the top comments under the video, calling them “wOkE” and saying things like “I am no longer a fan of this band” and more to that extent and in massive numbers. Sure there were some defending but it wasn’t nearly as prominent. It’s so frustrating the amount of anti-LGBTQ rhetoric that is still so prevalent, and in a scene of music that is SUPPOSED to be a home for the marginalized.
After this, a song like Motionless in White’s Slaughterhouse and Stray From the Path’s work are SO cathartic for me. We need more bands to just speak out like that against the bigotry in the scene and just straight up tell people that we don’t want them if they’re gonna be hateful or ignorant of differences.
It’s sad how people of a certain way of thinking have taken a word that was originally Black slang for being aware of the bigger problems of systemic racism and stuff like that, and twisted its meaning to fit their beliefs.
i got you. still, people have their minds and views. people who are against LGBT or wokism or whatever seem to be marginalised by woke and LGBT community as well. music is freedom and just because you dont agree with something doesnt mean youre a bad, hateful person.
there are many songs with different meanings, it doesnt shock me that many KL fans felt this way when he said what he said - it was pretty straightforward and could be said in many different ways, ways everyone would agree with.
i cant help to get this feeling a lot of artist are not genuine with that and say it in fear of being cancelled (im not saying KL did that though)
LGBT community appears to many as a very toxic community and i cant blame them.
personally im against hate, you can be whatever you are but you need to accept that some people might not like it, and they have a right to say it loud as much as the others
@prepthenun You are not marginalized by being a hateful bigot. Stop being homophobic, transphobic, and complete trash, and you won't be treated that way. Also, no one needs to accept that people don't like their existence. That's b.s. Go crawl back under your rock.
Regarding the last sentence of your middle paragraph, there's a simple answer for this; LGBT activists became insufferable and treated support like it's an obligation. They started advocating for ridiculous things like getting kids involved in their lifestyle and in transgenderism, making up genders and pronouns that don't exist and none of which they can even coherently explain. But we're supposed to celebrate and accept this because...reasons? Progressive activists specifically seem to have this problem where they are simply incapable of admitting that they're ever wrong, or going too far. They suffer from this mentality where they think everyone and everything MUST unconditionally accept and agree to all LGBT terms and conditions top to bottom without question. When you get into metal you recognize that it's a lifestyle, a music scene, and a culture that is simply not for everyone. It is, and and always has been about embracing your individuality and not begging society, corporations, and government agencies to accept you. LGBT activists are the complete opposite. They do not get how niches work, or even aware that they even are a niche. So ask yourself why has society been losing interest in supporting them? Their activism became toxic and a lot of their community became a cesspool of unlikeable, entitled activists who think the world revolves around them. The left has done an awful job at representing them in a way that inspires people to support them, and it's on the LGBT community for doing this to themselves, and that's a harsh reality a lot of them are going to struggle coming to terms with. Understand this is less about my personal opinion, and more about the observations I've been making.
@@prepthenundoes anyone actually ever get cancelled though? People cry about being canceled but you their books are still being sold on Amazon
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Metal has always contained political lyrics, ever since Black Sabbath wrote War Pigs. Thrash metal and grindcore has a huge political backbone to rebel against the system and the government. Usually people who say that are hypocrites who are just saying that because they disagree with said views. At the end of the day, metal will always contain political lyrics and it’s up to the listener to choose what they want to listen to.
Metal is counter culture, counter culture is always political it's about rebelling against normal society.
Love both my political hip hop and political metal! Political beliefs are a common part of the human experience, artists of all stripes and backgrounds will inevitably create around what makes them passionate and politics is a topic that evokes that sort of energy for a lot of people. That being said, I understand if someone identifying as apolitical were to avoid those acts or ignore the political side of them. As long as they don't go around saying that the music shouldn't exist, we chillin.
People who say "politics don't belong in music" usually only say that when it doesn't fit their politics but will turn around and be Tom MacDonald Stans.
Good takes as always, I personally stray away from overtly political bands because I prefer when a songs lyrics are more referential and don't explicitly tell the listener everything, which is something most political bands don't really do.
That's super true. I think it sometimes is just, better to have an interpretative piece than something that is SO in your face--unless it's a good point to put in people's face. Thanks for watching!
…Blasphemy and war black metal. LOOKING AT YOU TWO.
anyone who forces politics into metal is a dummy
I think that people are using their art to express themselves and their thoughts.
Thrash metal, with influences of punk music, is definitely political. And they keep that anger in the music. They say "fuck war and the political figures"
Grindcore has also been known for political lyrics. And I love it. Because there's humor while still letting the listener know "hey i don't like politics or x political beliefs"
I will say its gotten a bit out of here with some bands constantly pushing politics out there, whilst some genres are dry in the area. I'd love a Grindcore album about how Trump sucks but while having the humor
The world was introduced to metal by paranoid, sure the self titled album exists but paranoid is what introduced the world to sabbath and metal and the first track is war pigs
the best metal is political. whats the matter dont like the reality check or critical thinnking??? check out hypocrisy or megadeth....mostly poliotical and is better than all that new shit
any topic is free game , it is art !!!!!
I don’t mind my music being a little bit political. After all, I am into some RABM bands that are more on the anarchist side, like the (sadly defunct) Dawn Ray’d and Bull of Apis Bull of Bronze.
James Hetfield: "I hate politics. I don't want to talk about politics. It's not important to me. Politics and religion are things that separate people."
The SAME James Hetfield: *writes Master of Puppets, Disposable Heroes, Creeping Death, Metal Milita, Don't Tread on Me, Fight Fire With Fire, Leper Messiah"
I could literally go on.....
Eye Of The Beholder.
I'm the same way. With me, I want songs about issues, not about the left or right. Not endorsing or degrading this politition or that politition or this er that party.
@@prettynpetty8342 oh btw, there’s a picture of James Hetfield out there doing the Nazi salute, though it may be jokingly because he’s also using a finger to imitate hitlers wiener stache in this pic I’m talking about
Politics in music is fine. Rock your message. However, one of the great things about Power Metal is that they're too busy singing about swords, dragons, & friggin unicorns to be concerned about life's issues.
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But oftentimes those creatures and quests are just metaphors and analogies for real world issues.
@smurxxx0910 I don't care if I gotta eat my vegetables, as long as they're covered in too much ranch dressing to notice. 😁🍻
@@Goats_ well then don't forget to bring the ranch when listening to holy diver.
Another Christian black metal fan, sweet.
Hugs
Literally most if not every black metal band ever.
Edit: Metallica and Megadeth, not black metal bands, but let’s not forgot Megadeth and Metallica.
I think for bands like Rage Against The Machine and System of a Down, it does work because they are well versed in politics. My issue is when you get stuff like Madonna’s “American Life” or Justin Timberlake’s “Supplies” or Limp Bizkit’s “The Unquestionable Truth”, where they stick out like sore thumbs.
Politics are dividing
METAL IS THE OPPOSITE!!!
“Politics don’t belong in metal”
Bro I am not listening to a fucking Burzum, knowing the fact that Varg has his own VK group where he discusses how he wants to destroy Ukrainian nation.
Christianity+metal????....
This I have to hear,
Please reply below of some kickass Christian Metal bands that I should at least check out.
I'll have an open mind....
Cough, cough...Ronnie Radke
Ronnie thought he looked badass calling out all his haters while they are still making money off hating him. At least he's having fun.
Inherently it is always going to have politics in it, that's fine. One can just actively choose to ignore that. Like I absolutely love grindcore. I listen to tons of bands that apparently have politics in their lyrics. I don't care. I don't read it. I don't know what they're even saying. It doesn't matter to me. it's a bunch of screaming with blast Beats and that's all I signed up for. I won't go out of my way to say you can't sing about this or that. Because I don't want someone dictating to me how I should create my own music. Nothing I've done has been political and that's my choice.
People:you should keep politics out of music
Me:play bands like panopticon feminazgul dawn rayd bad religion system of a down dissection knocked loose kendrick lamar run the jewels zeal and ardor gojira black sabbath sepultura rage against the machine minenwerfer kanonenfieber the chicks adeem the artist willi Carlisle cancer christ🏳️⚧️🌈🏳️🌈🎸🎹🎻🪕🎶🎵🪗🎷🎺
Who listens to metal for the lyrics?
Me lol. Lots of bands have great lyrics. It's not the main part of the experience, but it does contribute
Music is political as any art. But there is SOAD, whose ideas I find childish aka "we have to be good. Don't be bad". Not to say calling Armenian occupants of Azerbaijan territory, innocent victims of Azerbaijan, just because you are Armenian is kinda bad. There are good sounding songs though.
Then there is KMFDM. I don't like their criticism of Capitalism and the US specifically. Like any other song is about criticising modern society , especially American. But at least they are not preachy like SOAD, ironic and funny.
But then is there any band that praise society? Probably folk bands including folk metal
Finally watched and yeah, as I expected we pretty much see eye to eye on this topic. Excellent work dude! 👍
😏As a music fan. I usually don't mind if artists/bands wanna have political content in their songs. As long their music is still good, and fun.
But to say that politics don't belong in music, films, and video games is very silly, because those types of mediums are considered to be art. So, therefore, people have every right to incorporate whatever they want into their product.
Now, if you don't like the song or the film being political. Just simply don't buy their product, because they didn't make their product exclusively for people like yourself. They made these products exclusively for themselves.
And, also the people who wanna complain about politics being injected into music, films, and etc are just the fringe types, because not everybody who isn't into politics usually don't care about politics being injected into certain fields of entertainment.
I understand and agree with many of your points, but I think the video fails to discuss one very important aspect, namely that of financial support. In my opinion it is important to ask ourselves who or what ideas my money goes to finance. For example, I would hate to know that my money is going to support someone who will then use it to oppress ethnic minorities.
I also listen to musicians with different ideas from mine, but in extreme cases such as that of declared fascists, I don't buy their merch and I try not to recommend the band to anyone who might pay for their music.
This topic is why i listen to Primus. Even the few political songs they have don’t get your mind thinking about politics. When was the last time you listened to “Too Many Puppies” for the message rather than headbanging to the heaviest funk metal song ever?
LMFAO, you're right. Even a lot of System of a Down could fit that.
Idk blue collar tweakers has some pretty satirical messaging in it.
political metal is just punk :D
Real
@@TheMetalTempestYT We learned that Trash metal in a major key just becomes pop punk.
And punk is the best.
"...if u buy some sort of merch from an artist with questionable views..."
Uhm, yeah I think that's where u actually financially support an artist if u ask me. If I see someone wearing NSBM merch I don't automatically think "ugh, neonazi!" but by wearing that merch u at least tolerate it or don't think the lyrical content is not such a big deal.
I definitely get where you're coming from. I think it depends on if you're purchasing via label or artist. I'd agree direct support can't be underestimated but I've known people who buy merchandise from bands they very much dislike the message of !
Does wearing a homemade Burzum patch still count? Varg's goofy ass ain't getting a dime outta me but damn I love Ways of Yore.
@@TheMetalTempestYT I gotta say it's a personal bias here though, I mean NSBM seems to me like a genre of music that wants me dead... me being Jewish and all. But yeah for me it;s very difficult to wrap my head around the fact that u even wish to have a band logo like that on display. It's just something I may have to adjust to.
my thoughts exactly, listening to music is one thing (i'll still side eye people but whatever) but when you start giving literal nazis money thats when the line has absolutely been crossed
Exactly. By wearing that shirt, you acknowledge the existence of those bands and are basically saying “yup, I’m alright with them.” Even if you don’t agree with what they say.
Not exactly buddy-buddy, but I know which side of the fence you’re on.
Politics has become more and more iniquitous as time as gone on. You can't escape it and people parroting the message when people want to just relax and hear good music is why people say this.
What about thrash
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Politics shouldn't be in Metal unless it's about extreme shit that has happened in history/intent to happen in the modern era/dystopian future. If it's about a utopian paradise then keep it in Punk or Psychedelic hippies music.
What about dragonforce?
Napalm Death be like8:15 THAAAANK YOU. more people need to hear this. i've lost good friends because this. one thing. just one thing inconveniences them and they go completely opposed. One of my friends who helped me get information for my transistion who was also trans went full alt-right neo nazi. they would attack other trans people verbally and were constantly telling me that neo nazis would save us all. All because they got kicked out of their house for being trans. wore being considered an honorary aryan as a badge of pride and honor. thats the worst case scenario. it makes no sense to me that people have so little patience that they deem it necessary to be out right adversaries just because they couldn't see someone within the same spectrum as what they consider normal.